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Posted: 7/11/2014 9:10:04 PM EDT

http://www.my9nj.com/story/25996007/nj-gun-permit-problems

Only had a CCW for 1 week and had no clue it wasn't valid in NJ.

Posted: 7/11/2014 9:27:01 PM EDT

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At least she has the right attorney for the job.

Glad the Atlantic County prosecutor is keeping you guys safe from those fucking soccer moms.

Posted: 7/11/2014 10:16:12 PM EDT

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possession of hallow-point

Uh oh.

The dreaded hallow-point!

Posted: 7/12/2014 5:13:58 AM EDT

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I feel safer already.

This will be an interesting case to keep an eye on. The law being the law I'd say she is screwed!!

The Atlantic County Prosecutor doesn't have much desecration in a case like this I would think. He will have to follow the letter of the law and prosecute. If he doesn't he will be accused of selective enforcement of the law. Not even Nappen will be able to get her out of this IMHO.

Posted: 7/12/2014 5:31:45 AM EDT

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While I feel bad for this woman, it is her responsibility to make herself aware of the laws of the state(s) where she is carrying.
She did everything right for PA but ended up completely wrong when crossing over into NJ, the first communist state in the union.

Posted: 7/12/2014 7:30:31 AM EDT

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She's an idiot.

Posted: 7/12/2014 8:06:22 AM EDT

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A little harsh, don't you think?
IMO, she was ill informed but, it was her responsibility to be better informed before driving into NJ w/her firearm.
This doesn't make her an idiot.

Posted: 7/12/2014 10:58:51 AM EDT

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It's an outrage that the US constitution doesn't apply to NJ (well actually, it doesn't apply anywhere anymore) and that you essentially have to become an attorney on the laws of all 50 states to exercise your rights. Imagine if you had to look up the traffic laws of a state before you drove there.

I'm reluctant mention this and apologize to anyone I offend. What impressed me was how sympathetic the article and commentary on my9nj was to this woman. They didn't ever call her a "gunman"

If it had been me, a fat bald old Caucasian "gunman" wearing cammo, I think the tone of the article would have been vastly different.

However, she does have an infinitesimally small hope; it's called jury nullification. The jury can choose to ignore immoral laws and refuse to convict her. That's what I would do if I was on the jury.

Posted: 7/12/2014 12:06:58 PM EDT

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Ouch, I hope she likes prison.

NJers already throwing her under the bus.

Posted: 7/12/2014 12:12:30 PM EDT

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It's an outrage that the US constitution doesn't apply to NJ (well actually, it doesn't apply anywhere anymore) and that you essentially have to become an attorney on the laws of all 50 states to exercise your rights. Imagine if you had to look up the traffic laws of a state before you drove there.

I'm reluctant mention this and apologize to anyone I offend. What impressed me was how sympathetic the article and commentary on my9nj was to this woman. They didn't ever call her a "gunman"

If it had been me, a fat bald old Caucasian "gunman" wearing cammo, I think the tone of the article would have been vastly different.

However, she does have an infinitesimally small hope; it's called jury nullification. The jury can choose to ignore immoral laws and refuse to convict her. That's what I would do if I was on the jury.

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She's an African American woman, she has enough points to get a pass in the news.

edit: probably enough points to get a pass in court too!

Posted: 7/12/2014 3:17:11 PM EDT

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The blame also goes to the officer who arrested her. Absent any attitude or deceitfulness, she should have been scolded and let go. Fucking newbees.

Posted: 7/12/2014 3:23:39 PM EDT

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Remember OJ, if the glove don't fit....

OR

Jury nullification. No????

Posted: 7/12/2014 4:08:54 PM EDT

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Based upon my experience with some of NJ's finest, I'd be surprised if he even believes that she has a legal permit to carry... Some can't even imagine that mere plebes can legally defend themselves outside of their home.

Only agents of the state shall be permitted to defend themselves and their families.

But yeah, any reasonable human being that understands what liberty is would have sent her on her way. We just don't have many of those around here.

Posted: 7/12/2014 4:27:13 PM EDT

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DGE won't LEO near a casino with a weapon. There is -0 tolerance there, I stay in the woods and I broke a lot of the rookies in

Posted: 7/12/2014 6:50:28 PM EDT

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Based upon my experience with some of NJ's finest, I'd be surprised if he even believes that she has a legal permit to carry... Some can't even imagine that mere plebes can legally defend themselves outside of their home.

Only agents of the state shall be permitted to defend themselves and their families.

But yeah, any reasonable human being that understands what liberty is would have sent her on her way. We just don't have many of those around here.

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The blame also goes to the officer who arrested her. Absent any attitude or deceitfulness, she should have been scolded and let go. Fucking newbees.

Based upon my experience with some of NJ's finest, I'd be surprised if he even believes that she has a legal permit to carry... Some can't even imagine that mere plebes can legally defend themselves outside of their home.

Only agents of the state shall be permitted to defend themselves and their families.

But yeah, any reasonable human being that understands what liberty is would have sent her on her way. We just don't have many of those around here.

Got that right. One law for us one law for the "entitlement" crowd with a badge.

Posted: 7/13/2014 10:32:08 AM EDT

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A little harsh, don't you think?
IMO, she was ill informed but, it was her responsibility to be better informed before driving into NJ w/her firearm.
This doesn't make her an idiot.

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A little harsh, don't you think?
IMO, she was ill informed but, it was her responsibility to be better informed before driving into NJ w/her firearm.
This doesn't make her an idiot.

Nope, not harsh at all. If I did the same, I would label myself an idiot.
I highly doubt she was " ill informed ". In a CCW Class around here, instructors drill the protocols in our heads.
She failed to follow through or she just was not paying attention in class.

I make no apologies, each and everyone of us has to be on top of the game, especially in New Jersey.

Posted: 7/13/2014 10:42:01 AM EDT

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I travel out of nj several times a month and always carry. ....I always double check the states I will be traveling in to be sure that laws have not changed....

Even if she didn't double check...... Don't u watch the news? Duh

Yea..... idiot

Posted: 7/13/2014 12:37:32 PM EDT

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We " Non-resident " CCWers have lost all ground in PA because of that numb skull bitch Kane, FL. VA and UT Non-resident credentials out the window

Now the girl in this case was a resident in PA, and she blew it just as quickly as she received her credentials

Leave your weapons at home when you come here folks, better yet, don't come here at all, spend your money in Delaware or someplace else.

Posted: 7/15/2014 12:20:13 AM EDT

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Originally posted by Bobby the Hun We " Non-resident " CCWers have lost all ground in PA because of that numb skull bitch Kane, FL. VA and UT Non-resident credentials out the window

Now the girl in this case was a resident in PA, and she blew it just as quickly as she received her credentials

We can still open carry in PA. By the way, there is no class to take in PA. You go to your local sheriff's office with your PA drivers license fill out the form and come out with your LTCF. It can take as little as 15 min.

Posted: 7/15/2014 5:46:44 AM EDT

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I don't like people knowing I'm carrying. .....I have a new Hampshire permit as well and that is still good in pa but nh just changed their laws too. They are not going to renew unless u have a ccw from your home state. ....3 more yrs and I guess I'm beat again. ....if I even last that long here

Posted: 7/15/2014 7:40:45 AM EDT

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I know the law is the law, but in this case the prosecutor is going to have to pull some serious tricks to constitute mens rea on the part of the woman. Seriously, the whole reason she even got into this mess was a good faith admission of carrying a firearm. If the jury convicts I'll shit two bricks sideways.

Posted: 7/15/2014 8:09:08 AM EDT

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I know the law is the law, but in this case the prosecutor is going to have to pull some serious tricks to constitute mens rea on the part of the woman. Seriously, the whole reason she even got into this mess was a good faith admission of carrying a firearm. If the jury convicts I'll shit two bricks sideways.

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I know the law is the law, but in this case the prosecutor is going to have to pull some serious tricks to constitute mens rea on the part of the woman. Seriously, the whole reason she even got into this mess was a good faith admission of carrying a firearm. If the jury convicts I'll shit two bricks sideways.

Seriously?

I'll shit two bricks sideways.

- Last time I heard that was 30-40 years ago. You ain't no kid.

And

Posted: 7/15/2014 6:32:11 PM EDT

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Oh ye of little faith, Lion_Dog.

Basically, my point is that the jury doesn't have to bend over to the law. They can effect positive change with their decision. To me, at least, a crime should only be a crime when there's a victim and a guilty conscience. This case has neither. Of course, they could just say "fuck it" and throw her in the pen anyway, because some people are boot lickers.

Posted: 7/16/2014 5:53:17 AM EDT

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Basically, my point is that the jury doesn't have to bend over to the law. They can effect positive change with their decision. To me, at least, a crime should only be a crime when there's a victim and a guilty conscience. This case has neither. Of course, they could just say "fuck it" and throw her in the pen anyway, because some people are boot lickers.

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You actually trust the Sheep that serve on a jury? Not me. Last time I was called to jury duty all I saw were soccer Mom's, youngsters and a bunch of people who didn't want to be there. Newspapers like The Star Ledger keep hammering us gun owners are the worst segment of society.

This poor Women is screwed!!!

Posted: 7/16/2014 8:27:13 AM EDT

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Jury selection is key.

If the glove don't fit...

Yammering this morning....

Posted: 7/16/2014 9:11:25 AM EDT

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It won't go to trial. In this county we make a deal, it is a joke. The only thing close to justice is to be able to bail out. Then you hire a lawyer and negotiate. If you are connected to he county Republican party, all the better.

Posted: 7/16/2014 12:30:08 PM EDT

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With all due respect Wind, they only make deals with actual criminals who have 10 page long rap sheets, not first time charges for possession of a firearm on someone who anywhere else would be perfectly law-abiding.....

Posted: 7/16/2014 2:22:49 PM EDT

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Lol, everyone gets a deal here. That is why they have a 95% conviction rate. me served is a common sentence. Big mistake is to ask for a Public Defender... you spend time in jail. If you are special, you get a better sentence. I have 25 years in the system

Posted: 7/16/2014 3:41:31 PM EDT

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It won't go to trial. In this county we make a deal, it is a joke. The only thing close to justice is to be able to bail out. Then you hire a lawyer and negotiate. If you are connected to he county Republican party, all the better.

With all due respect Wind, they only make deals with actual criminals who have 10 page long rap sheets, not first time charges for possession of a firearm on someone who anywhere else would be perfectly law-abiding.....

first time charges for possession of a firearm on someone who anywhere else would be perfectly law-abiding.....

Would be more because as law abiding tax paying citizens we are held to a higher standard.

Posted: 7/16/2014 4:03:42 PM EDT

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If we're held to a higher standard, then maybe they should trust me with the ability to carry a firearm for self defense. But... this is NJ.

Posted: 7/17/2014 5:43:01 AM EDT

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She has already retained Evan Nappen as her Attorney.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/16/honest-mistake-leads-to-philly-mother-facing-three-years-on-gun-charge/?intcmp=latestnews

Posted: 7/18/2014 8:55:55 AM EDT

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She has already retained Evan Nappen as her Attorney.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/16/honest-mistake-leads-to-philly-mother-facing-three-years-on-gun-charge/?intcmp=latestnews

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It won't go to trial. In this county we make a deal, it is a joke. The only thing close to justice is to be able to bail out. Then you hire a lawyer and negotiate. If you are connected to he county Republican party, all the better.

She has already retained Evan Nappen as her Attorney.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/16/honest-mistake-leads-to-philly-mother-facing-three-years-on-gun-charge/?intcmp=latestnews

That doesn't mean anything the don't call the Atlantic County Courts the 'Seashore Railroad' for nothing. I deal with them all the time.

Posted: 7/18/2014 9:51:01 AM EDT

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We are all idiots for allowing this tyrannical government to get away with the destruction of our constitution.

Posted: 7/18/2014 12:49:38 PM EDT

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We are all idiots for allowing this tyrannical government to get away with the destruction of our constitution.

Agreed, I don't know where in the 2nd amendment it says "*void in NJ"

Posted: 7/18/2014 5:25:16 PM EDT

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Tea Party is the only pro 2nd down here

Posted: 7/18/2014 9:07:38 PM EDT

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That doesn't mean anything the don't call the Atlantic County Courts the 'Seashore Railroad' for nothing. I deal with them all the time.

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It won't go to trial. In this county we make a deal, it is a joke. The only thing close to justice is to be able to bail out. Then you hire a lawyer and negotiate. If you are connected to he county Republican party, all the better.

She has already retained Evan Nappen as her Attorney.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/16/honest-mistake-leads-to-philly-mother-facing-three-years-on-gun-charge/?intcmp=latestnews

That doesn't mean anything the don't call the Atlantic County Courts the 'Seashore Railroad' for nothing. I deal with them all the time.

Never said it did.

However if she stands any chance at all she's in god hands with Evan.

Posted: 8/6/2014 10:30:08 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/7/2014 5:41:32 AM EDT

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Looks like her only hope now is jury nullification.

Posted: 8/7/2014 8:18:52 AM EDT

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I would suspect there are few things on this Earth more terrifying than placing your freedom in the hands of 12 NJ residents. My sincere prayers that "one of us" somehow winds up on that jury.

Posted: 8/7/2014 4:33:23 PM EDT

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if the Judge finds out you have any ties or interest in Firearms, they will not put you on that jury.
fuck NJ....

they twist the rules in thier favor all day long but crucify someone for fuckin up. yea she was wrong... but
give me a fuckin break.... ill leave the rest of my opinions to myself.

Posted: 8/7/2014 4:58:23 PM EDT

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Perfect time to introduce "Shaneen's Law"

-remove "justifiable need" requirement
-allow non-residents to apply for CCW
-add exemption for CCW holders to hollow point regulations
-make carrying without a permit a disorderly persons offense if you are not a prohibited person and are otherwise eligible to obtain a permit

Posted: 8/7/2014 6:55:19 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/7/2014 11:11:52 PM EDT

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I talked to a lawyer this week, now 3 lawyers want my case, another can't take it because of a conflict. We shot the shit for awhile, She will do time, they are going to make an example, no PTI. If you haven't seen the system here, you will be apalled.

Posted: 8/8/2014 7:09:44 AM EDT

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You know, if it wasn't all about the "feel good" I'd say we can hope, but as a pragmatist and NOT being "Jack of Arc" - I say nuke this place from orbit THRWICE (made up word of 2x3=6), to be SURE

... it IS the only way.

I feel "NJ has been rotted to the core and all about the origins which makes it so genetically disposed to NOT be apart of the USA since its inception.. look at its history and ideas not written surrounding the writing of this State's constitution.

I will be soooooo f*cking happy to pay my last taxes when it time for me to leave this joke of a state, preferably standing, not carried by huckleberries.

I do love my home and friends here, deeply, and I will miss them, but I WILL DIE a FREE MAN because there can be no chains to break ones spirit and crush one's heart - a love of this Country,its FF and designers.

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Perfect time to introduce "Shaneen's Law"

-remove "justifiable need" requirement
-allow non-residents to apply for CCW
-add exemption for CCW holders to hollow point regulations
-make carrying without a permit a disorderly persons offense if you are not a prohibited person and are otherwise eligible to obtain a permit

Posted: 8/8/2014 8:20:48 AM EDT

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Perfect time to introduce "Shaneen's Law"

-remove "justifiable need" requirement
-allow non-residents to apply for CCW
-add exemption for CCW holders to hollow point regulations
-make carrying without a permit a disorderly persons offense if you are not a prohibited person and are otherwise eligible to obtain a permit

yeah, yeah I know

Posted: 8/8/2014 11:38:02 PM EDT

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Not sure if this will help or not.

NATIONWIDE EFFORT TO SAVE SHANEEN ALLEN

The New Jersey Second Amendment Society (NJ2AS) is launching a Nationwide effort to save Ms. Allen from a minimum 5-year prison sentence - NOT for committing a crime with a gun, but merely for crossing the border from Pennsylvania into New Jersey with her legally owned gun. She mistakenly thought her PA carry permit was valid in NJ (as it SHOULD be). She made a mistake. She didn't commit a "gun crime".

We are contacting Americans all across the country, as well as Second Amendment and Liberty oriented groups and asking them to contact the following individuals to express their objection to her mistreatment:

James P. McLain
Atlantic County Prosecutor’s Office
4997 Unami Boulevard
Mays Landing, New Jersey 08330
(609) 909-7800
(609) 909-7802 FAX
www.acpo.org

Governor Christopher Christie
Office of the Governor
PO Box 001
Trenton, NJ 08625
609-292-6000
www://www.state.nj.us/governor/contact

New Jersey Attorney General
John Hoffman
Richard J. Hughes Justice Complex
25 Market Street
P.O. Box 080
Trenton, NJ 08625
(609) 292-8740
(609) 292-3508 FAX
www.state.nj.us/lps/

You may also send email to:
[email protected]

This is extremely URGENT! This young mother is being railroaded into prison by an ambitious prosecutor without a conscience.

Here is your chance to help a young mother and save her family from a grave injustice. PLEASE HELP!

For more information:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/05/judge-denies-motion-to-dismiss-case-against-philly-mom-arrested-for-legal-gun/

SHANEEN ALLEN
LEGAL DEFENSE FUND:

Posted: 8/9/2014 8:24:46 PM EDT

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I hope it helps, she needs prayers too

Posted: 8/10/2014 5:17:10 PM EDT

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As far as jury nullification goes. I know jurors for court in Trenton meet in a parking lot and are bussed to the court. It would be easy to hand out fliers if they did the same thing at this court.

Posted: 8/10/2014 5:37:52 PM EDT

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That is a great idea.... tell me how the handcuffs feel

Posted: 8/11/2014 10:30:09 AM EDT

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This is from one of my boards I frequent.

I agree with the guy.

while the nj laws suck...the fact of the matter is she didn't stumble across the border by accident...she made a conscious decision to cross a river bridge knowing she was entering nj......and in doing so they know the ramifications if caught...so own it...she was pulled in atlantic county...no doubt headed to the cesspool known as atlantic city at 0100-0200hrs.....she was more than likely not wearing the scrubs and stethoscope and juggling her kids as in all the shown media coverage...her Facebook had a slew of pictures of her posing with her pistol and "gangsta" poses and some "interesting" outfits....which have since been removed....im inclined to think she knew it was not legal...but chose to disregard the law ..when pulled..felt if she told she was carrying and played dumb the officer would let her go (in nj?lol)....which he didn't....so she is running with story...now with accounts set up to accept donations etc.... i respect everyones right to the personal choice to ignore/disregard unjust/unconstitutional laws if they wish.... but don't pretend to be a poor victim and beg for money and special consideration....she wasn't so concerned about her kids when she was heading to ac in the wee hours of the morning to do..?........heres the only one i could quickly find...its mild compared to the rest that were visible right after she got arrested

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