First of all, let me get a little mini-rant out of my system.  Maryland's smart-gun/integrated safety device law is about the biggest pile of sh!t I have yet to come across.  It doesn't provide even the slightest improvement in gun "safety".  All it does is make handguns more expensive, less reliable and (probably the real goal of the law's authors) less available for Maryland residents to legally purchase.  It seems to me that this law is nothing but a thinly disguised gun ban.  hanks
I have been thinking about buying a pistol and/or revolver to keep my AR-15 company (when I eventually get one) and was considering the Glock 17 or 19 or the H&K 9mm USP as pistol choices along with the Ruger GP-100 (specifically the KGP-141) as a revolver choice.  Based on Maryland's list of approved integrated safety devices, I assumed Glock, H&K and Ruger all made handguns for sale in Maryland.

However, while my family was shopping for recreational gear today I took a walk across the parking lot to see what a nearby gun shop had for sale.   The dealer had a few Glocks, all of them apparently made prior to January 1, 2003.  He implied that they were new, unsold old stock.  

The first thing that caught my eye was prices that seemed way out of line.  He was asking $700 -$800 for 19s and over $1000 for a 32!   I'm a newbie to this, but I thought new Glocks sold in the $500 to $600 range.  I then asked him about Glock models made with integrated safety devices, and he said Glock only sells the model 22 with the integrated device so that if I wanted a new 19 I would have to buy it quick before the stock of pre-2003 models ran out.

Sensing that I wasn't going anywhere with the Glocks, I next asked about the Ruger revolver.  "Nope," he replied,  "Ruger isn't and won't be making any pistols with integrated safety devices for sale in Maryland."  At this point some wacko came in holding a wad of cash, wearing a dew-rag, slurring his speech and asking for a "gun license" (I think he meant the handgun safety traing course certificate - another waste of time and money) so he could purchase a pistol and take it home with him that afternoon.  hinking.gif Specifically, he wanted a Calico 9mm pistol with 100 round magazine.  "I don't care if it isn't full-auto.  Just point it and keep puling and pulling and nothing will survive it." hock.gif

That was enough for me.  I had had more than my fill of bad juju from this gun shop, so I politely thanked the dealer for his time and beat a hasty retreat, figuring I would do some more research on my own and also ask the good arfcommers of the Maryland forum what they know.

My own research turned up this quotation on a page at Ruger's web site:

The State of Maryland has mandated that all pistols and revolvers manufactured on or after January 1, 2003 must have an “integrated mechanical safety device” to be legally available for sale in Maryland. As a result, beginning sometime some time in 2003, newly manufactured Ruger pistols and double action revolvers will be equipped with internal locks.

Am I a wildly misinformed newbie, or was this dealer blowing smoke up the ass of me and everyone within a five-mile radius of me (including the wacked-out newest member of the Future Murderers of America club)?

Springfield, Glock, Taurus, HK and S&W make models with locks.
Other guns, IIRC, can be fitted with a lock to make them legal for sale.

Kharn

I'm pretty sure CZ makes them, don't they?

Not all model Glocks yet.

Just about all the Glocks can have them from the factory.  There is also a model that can be installed in ANY Glock by a gunsmith.  That should only raise the price by $50-$100.

Same with 1911s  There are models that come with them - the rest can be retrofitted.

Most (if not all) Taures's have a locking system.

There is also a locking system available for retrofitting S&W revolvers.

Could you please IM or post the name of this shop. I dont want to ever watse my time going there if he has his prices jacked up like that!

Glocks have internal locks, but per 1 dealer I talked to only some of them roll off the line with the lock, thus they are harder to get & more expensive.  Galyan's (Rockville) sells Glocks & some other handguns.  Glocks were $500 and up before the ban, around $700 now.

Springfield pistols have locks & are available now.

Do what I did- but used out of state, pay some $ for an xfer fee (and save sales tax), as long as it is pre '03 you are set.  Used Glocks $400-$500.

Everyone covered the majority of the manufacturers.
Here is some more information for everyone:

All manufacturers except Colt stated at the shot show that they will have integrated locks by years end.

The manager of the shop I work at just informed us that Maryland is looking to accept the Glock mag lock and another one that goes in the barrel as acceptable internal locks. More info to come when published.

As for the prices on Glocks: we sell used glocks for $500-575 range.
New pre 03 are (no-lock) $600-650, (lock) $700-750. Yes Glock increased the price for the internal lock and are only making certain caliber and sizes with locks.

The lock we can install that meets state requirements is the one you have to drill a hole in the trigger guard and install to block the trigger's rearward movement. Yes it looks shitty.

Quoted: Everyone covered the majority of the manufacturers. Here is some more information for everyone: All manufacturers except Colt stated at the shot show that they will have integrated locks by years end. The manager of the shop I work at just informed us that Maryland is looking to accept the Glock mag lock and another one that goes in the barrel as acceptable internal locks. More info to come when published. As for the prices on Glocks: we sell used glocks for $500-575 range. New pre 03 are (no-lock) $600-650, (lock) $700-750. Yes Glock increased the price for the internal lock and are only making certain caliber and sizes with locks. The lock we can install that meets state requirements is the one you have to drill a hole in the trigger guard and install to block the trigger's rearward movement. Yes it looks shitty.

Will that include Beretta? Been waiting to buy a 9000S...

Beretta has internal locks designed, but not in production yet.
The one lock they are talking about accepting actually works in any gun.
You put part of it on the chamber and the other part goes down the barrel and locks into the chamber part. We will have to see.

Wow!  hock.gif Lots of great information here! Of course, I didn't expect any less from the fine Maryland Arfcommers. hanks

Originally Posted By Forest: Just about all the Glocks can have them from the factory.  There is also a model that can be installed in ANY Glock by a gunsmith.  That should only raise the price by $50-$100.

Are you speaking of the Ghost, Inc.  Ghost Block (here and here)?  Strangely, I can't find any information about it on what I believe to be the manufacturer's web site:

www.ghostblock.com/

Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: Could you please IM or post the name of this shop. I dont want to ever watse my time going there if he has his prices jacked up like that!

I won't post the name publicly because I don't want to unfairly malign a reputable dealer if the problem here is my own ignorance.  From reading some of these replies, it looks like $700 might not be too out of line for a 19, and maybe there was something special about the 32 to warrant a $1000 price tag.  It didn't look like anything special to me, but then again I am a novice in this field...  I'll send you an IM after I post this.

Originally Posted By vote_republican: Glocks have internal locks, but per 1 dealer I talked to only some of them roll off the line with the lock, thus they are harder to get & more expensive.  Galyan's (Rockville) sells Glocks & some other handguns.  Glocks were $500 and up before the ban, around $700 now.

I guess the gun-confiscators accomplished part of their goal... h=85%