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Posted: 11/4/2015 10:59:42 AM EDT
Didn't realize these lowers were now available instead of full gun ($460 shipped via gun broker). A CT option for those that don't want to pay more for a pre ban?
Anyone try one yet? 
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Posted: 11/4/2015 11:21:22 AM EDT
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Cool! I have AR's, but would LOVE to buy one of these Ares SCR rifle or lower. I like 'em. I'm a little (well very) cash strapped right now after having bought a Dillon Super 1050 a month ago. The SCR might be in my future.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 1:03:17 PM EDT
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While not the best option, if I didn't have any ar's I would definitely look into these.
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Posted: 11/4/2015 2:29:25 PM EDT
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So I have a post ban S&W sport. The kind with the non threaded barrel. I think that upper on the lower would be good to go. What I'm really looking for is a trunk gun. So this lower with that upper would not need to follow the AW transportation restrictions. If my thought process is correct.
So that lower, my upper, and a trunk vault. A stash of 10 round mags. And that's quite a nice addition to a vehicle. In the back of my mind I had been thinking of getting a Troy PAR as a trunk gun. My M&P lower was also going to be my first SBR'd lower. This story almost writes itself. Anyone see anything I'm overlooking? |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 3:29:27 PM EDT
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So I have a post ban S&W sport. The kind with the non threaded barrel. I think that upper on the lower would be good to go. What I'm really looking for is a trunk gun. So this lower with that upper would not need to follow the AW transportation restrictions. If my thought process is correct. So that lower, my upper, and a trunk vault. A stash of 10 round mags. And that's quite a nice addition to a vehicle. In the back of my mind I had been thinking of getting a Troy PAR as a trunk gun. My M&P lower was also going to be my first SBR'd lower. This story almost writes itself. Anyone see anything I'm overlooking? Sounds good to me. I'm leaning toward SKS trunk gun but also curious to hear what others think about this idea. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 3:40:05 PM EDT
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I think you need to be going to a range or other allowed place with an AW.
You can't have it all the time in the trunk I don't think IBTWOT ETA, I reread your post you want to carry the Ares around. That may be ok  |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 8:17:34 PM EDT
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Check out this thread. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/672281_ARES_SCR_Pics.html&page=17
These are pretty cool with a side charging upper. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 8:27:04 PM EDT
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Check out this thread. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/672281_ARES_SCR_Pics.html&page=17 These are pretty cool with a side charging upper. That wood stock is nice looking. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:29:26 PM EDT
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No one here seems to have tried it yet....I guess everyone here would rather spend an extra 400$ and get preban.
But I do like it. Paired with a post ban type, light weight, mid length, upper it could be a nice light set up. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 9:32:40 PM EDT
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I'd be interested in a 308 model. Until then, preban
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Posted: 11/5/2015 9:29:37 PM EDT
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That wood stock is nice looking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Check out this thread. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/672281_ARES_SCR_Pics.html&page=17 These are pretty cool with a side charging upper. That wood stock is nice looking. This LMT MRP upper looks pretty damn good in a wood stock also: 
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Posted: 11/5/2015 11:14:34 PM EDT
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(ii) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subparagraph (A)(i) of this subdivision, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subparagraph (A)(i) of this subdivision, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;
I am afraid that possessing a SCR, and an AR15 upper with any of the banned features would put someone in violation of the above section of the Democratic/RINO AWB. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 11:22:49 PM EDT
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Oh well.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 7:48:12 AM EDT
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(ii) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subparagraph (A)(i) of this subdivision, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subparagraph (A)(i) of this subdivision, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; I am afraid that possessing a SCR, and an AR15 upper with any of the banned features would put someone in violation of the above section of the Democratic/RINO AWB. You keep posting this. Go ACTUALLY READ THIS SECTION. so if you have pall the parts. To make one of those specified in that section. Until then you are misquoting the law. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 8:05:32 AM EDT
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These lowers have been forsale for a while now. Atleast almost a year. NGX has had them on their wall for quite some time as well
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Posted: 11/6/2015 8:09:17 AM EDT
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You keep posting this. Go ACTUALLY READ THIS SECTION. so if you have pall the parts. To make one of those specified in that section. Until then you are misquoting the law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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(ii) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subparagraph (A)(i) of this subdivision, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subparagraph (A)(i) of this subdivision, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; I am afraid that possessing a SCR, and an AR15 upper with any of the banned features would put someone in violation of the above section of the Democratic/RINO AWB. You keep posting this. Go ACTUALLY READ THIS SECTION. so if you have pall the parts. To make one of those specified in that section. Until then you are misquoting the law. Sorry! You are correct. I stand corrected. I got lazy, and just cut and pasted out of another post. The section of the law that would come into play is: (E) Any semiautomatic firearm regardless of whether such firearm is listed in subparagraphs (A) to (D), inclusive, of this subdivision, and regardless of the date such firearm was produced, that meets the following criteria: (i) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following: I am in a hurry to go to work right now, and I didn't find it, but I distinctly remember Sbhaven referring to the fact that the new law stated firearms also had to comply with the old AWB, so bayonet lugs and threaded barrels are NG. I believe it is in the amendment that did away with full-featured rimfires. Sbhaven, help me out here! I also have a pretty good feeling the state would argue an SCR with a full featured upper would be an AW under this section: (B) Any of the following specified semiautomatic centerfire rifles, or copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such rifles |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 8:16:17 AM EDT
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Sorry! You are correct. I stand corrected. I got lazy, and just cut and pasted out of another post. The section of the law that would come into play is: (E) Any semiautomatic firearm regardless of whether such firearm is listed in subparagraphs (A) to (D), inclusive, of this subdivision, and regardless of the date such firearm was produced, that meets the following criteria: (i) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following: I am in a hurry to go to work right now, and I didn't find it, but I distinctly remember Sbhaven referring to the fact that the new law stated firearms also had to comply with the old AWB, so bayonet lugs and threaded barrels are NG. I believe it is in the amendment that did away with full-featured rimfires. Sbhaven, help me out here! I also have a pretty good feeling the state would argue an SCR with a full featured upper would be an AW under this section: (B) Any of the following specified semiautomatic centerfire rifles, or copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such rifles Quote HistoryQuoted:
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(ii) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subparagraph (A)(i) of this subdivision, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subparagraph (A)(i) of this subdivision, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; I am afraid that possessing a SCR, and an AR15 upper with any of the banned features would put someone in violation of the above section of the Democratic/RINO AWB. You keep posting this. Go ACTUALLY READ THIS SECTION. so if you have pall the parts. To make one of those specified in that section. Until then you are misquoting the law. Sorry! You are correct. I stand corrected. I got lazy, and just cut and pasted out of another post. The section of the law that would come into play is: (E) Any semiautomatic firearm regardless of whether such firearm is listed in subparagraphs (A) to (D), inclusive, of this subdivision, and regardless of the date such firearm was produced, that meets the following criteria: (i) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following: I am in a hurry to go to work right now, and I didn't find it, but I distinctly remember Sbhaven referring to the fact that the new law stated firearms also had to comply with the old AWB, so bayonet lugs and threaded barrels are NG. I believe it is in the amendment that did away with full-featured rimfires. Sbhaven, help me out here! I also have a pretty good feeling the state would argue an SCR with a full featured upper would be an AW under this section: (B) Any of the following specified semiautomatic centerfire rifles, or copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such rifles Sorry! You are correct.. I got lazy, and just cut and pasted out of another post. The section of the law that would come into play is: (E) Any semiautomatic firearm regardless of whether such firearm is listed in subparagraphs (A) to (D), inclusive, of this subdivision, and regardless of the date such firearm was produced, that meets the following criteria: (i) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following: I am in a hurry to go to work right now, and I didn't find it, but I distinctly remember Sbhaven referring to the fact that the new law stated firearms also had to comply with the old AWB, so bayonet lugs and threaded barrels are NG. I believe it is in the amendment that did away with full-featured rimfires. Sbhaven, help me out here! I also have a pretty good feeling the state would argue an SCR with a full featured upper would be an AW under this section: (B) Any of the following specified semiautomatic centerfire rifles, or copies or duplicates thereof with the capability of any such rifles But that would be up to the courts. I hope no one ever has to be the test case! |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:27:08 AM EDT
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OK here we go again with a wall of text
to explain our stupid laws and how the Ares SCR fits in to the wording of the law. Note: The following only applies to post September 13, 1994 manufactured firearms.
The Ares SCR is not banned by name. The Ares SCR, if a centerfire semiautomatic detachable magazine rilfe, cannot have any of the following features:
The Ares SCR cannot be a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than thirty inches. Now if the ARES SCR, or any other semiautomatic detachable magazine rifle (regardless of caliber), gets past the above idiotic legal language, then because of Sec. 53-202a(1)(E)(ix), it has to get past the old law's two feature ban. This means that a semiautomatic detachable magazine centerfire rifle that gets past the above feature ban list can have; a bayonet mount or a threaded barrel, but it cannot have both. A semiautomatic detachable magazine rimfire rifle can have only one of the following features:
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Posted: 11/6/2015 2:06:11 PM EDT
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I'm sure I missed it somewhere, but is anyone in CT transferring these lowers yet? I'm holding out hope for a 308, but I might grab one for shiggles.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 3:20:59 PM EDT
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I'm sure I missed it somewhere, but is anyone in CT transferring these lowers yet? I'm holding out hope for a 308, but I might grab one for shiggles.
Posted above you saying where they are sold |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 4:05:22 PM EDT
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Ah NGX, I did indeed miss that. My apologies. I will have to stop in there, my local gun guy gets iffy about transferring new things if there's any debate about its legality.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 4:16:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah NGX, I did indeed miss that. My apologies. I will have to stop in there, my local gun guy gets iffy about transferring new things if there's any debate about its legality. CT Firearm and Tactical has them as well. That said I'd hold one first. The ergos suck, the mag release cannot be reached without moving your hand. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 5:47:53 PM EDT
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Heard there is a lefty mag release made by KAC that extends it...if your lefty
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Posted: 11/6/2015 6:13:41 PM EDT
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The Knights armament ambi mag release is indeed quite a bit longer on the left side of the receiver, but it's only about an inch. I don't know if it would be long enough and it doesn't help you rightys out there.
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Posted: 11/6/2015 8:12:50 PM EDT
[#24]
Go with a side charging upper. Check out the link I posted above.
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Posted: 11/20/2015 4:39:46 PM EDT
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SBR without needing AW form / pinned mount/brake like the old days:
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Posted: 11/20/2015 10:38:08 PM EDT
[#26]
An interesting set up for those stuck in gun grabber states.
Since it doesn't need a traditional AR buffer tube set up, could an ARAK 21 upper work on the SCR? |
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Posted: 11/20/2015 11:22:31 PM EDT
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I don't see why not...it says in its description it will fit in ar15 lower receivers...the scr can take any ar15 upper...
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Posted: 11/20/2015 11:28:45 PM EDT
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An interesting set up for those stuck in gun grabber states. Since it doesn't need a traditional AR buffer tube set up, could an ARAK 21 upper work on the SCR? I think this is a good idea. |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 11:09:05 AM EDT
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SBR without needing AW form / pinned mount/brake like the old days: http://s23.postimg.org/i2191w5mz/Wesite_Header_Product_Ares_SCR.jpg Yes I am interested in this but have yet to touch one. If my math and assumptions serve me, a scr complete rifle has a 16" barrel and is 37" in oal. That means the lower is 21" and you can throw on a 9" .300 upper on it and rock n roll while flipping the bird to Malloy. Just need to have JoJo's pin on their old muzzle break. Am I missing anything? |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 12:08:05 PM EDT
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Yes I am interested in this but have yet to touch one. If my math and assumptions serve me, a scr complete rifle has a 16" barrel and is 37" in oal. That means the lower is 21" and you can throw on a 9" .300 upper on it and rock n roll while flipping the bird to Malloy. Just need to have JoJo's pin on their old muzzle break. Am I missing anything? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBR without needing AW form / pinned mount/brake like the old days: http://s23.postimg.org/i2191w5mz/Wesite_Header_Product_Ares_SCR.jpg Yes I am interested in this but have yet to touch one. If my math and assumptions serve me, a scr complete rifle has a 16" barrel and is 37" in oal. That means the lower is 21" and you can throw on a 9" .300 upper on it and rock n roll while flipping the bird to Malloy. Just need to have JoJo's pin on their old muzzle break. Am I missing anything? That would need an SBR stamp right? Can anyone have an SBR tax stamp as long as they have a permit or is it just for FFL's and LEO/Military? |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 12:37:31 PM EDT
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Anyone can get a sbr stamp. Doesn't matter your credentials.
Get your scr, get your stamp by doing the papers, wait, once approved you can get an upper shorter than 16" if you do not have a pistol lower for it. If you have a pistol lower, you can buy the shorter than 12" upper, but do not put it on a rifle lower until your SBR stamp comes back approved. Others will chime in if I'm wrong, which I don't believe iam. Go to the class 3 section and you'll see SBR, general class 3 and a couple more |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 12:58:00 PM EDT
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I picked one of these lowers up a few months ago to mess around with. The ergos aren't terrible. It's no M4 but it's useable.
Don't forget in CT the AW transportation laws apply to Prebans, so if you're going to stash a long gun in the back of your truck a Preban won't work. |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 2:20:43 PM EDT
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Anyone can get a sbr stamp. Doesn't matter your credentials. Get your scr, get your stamp by doing the papers, wait, once approved you can get an upper shorter than 16" if you do not have a pistol lower for it. If you have a pistol lower, you can buy the shorter than 12" upper, but do not put it on a rifle lower until your SBR stamp comes back approved. Others will chime in if I'm wrong, which I don't believe iam. Go to the class 3 section and you'll see SBR, general class 3 and a couple more (E) Any semiautomatic firearm regardless of whether such firearm is listed in subparagraphs (A) to (D), inclusive, of this subdivision, and regardless of the date such firearm was produced, that meets the following criteria: (i) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following: (iii) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than thirty inches If you make an SBR out of a detachable magazine, centerfire semi auto rifle, you are creating a prohibited AW. Prebans are exempt. Military/LE exempt. |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 2:25:14 PM EDT
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Yea, so a 9.1" (to be safe) barrel is good to go if in fact the lower OAL is 21"...
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Posted: 11/21/2015 4:38:28 PM EDT
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Yea, so a 9.1" (to be safe) barrel is good to go if in fact the lower OAL is 21"... Just saying Yeah I saw this one in that other thread with a 10.5" and thought it looked great. 
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Posted: 11/21/2015 4:55:30 PM EDT
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SBR without needing AW form / pinned mount/brake like the old days: http://s23.postimg.org/i2191w5mz/Wesite_Header_Product_Ares_SCR.jpg No stamp? |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 5:19:08 PM EDT
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OK I'm going to come right out and say what many are thinking... 
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Posted: 11/21/2015 5:31:21 PM EDT
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Yeah I saw this one in that other thread with a 10.5" and thought it looked great. http://i58.tinypic.com/2clctu.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yea, so a 9.1" (to be safe) barrel is good to go if in fact the lower OAL is 21"... Just saying Yeah I saw this one in that other thread with a 10.5" and thought it looked great. http://i58.tinypic.com/2clctu.jpg I could work with it, if any one sbrs one and it does not require an aw cert to get approved by the atf...please let me know |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 6:40:38 PM EDT
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Yea, so a 9.1" (to be safe) barrel is good to go if in fact the lower OAL is 21"... Just saying So I wonder how long it would take to prove to the ATF that you don't need a COP (no matter what the law says)? The whole pre-ban needing a COP to SBR it is a concoction of the ATF, so trying to get this to fly may prove interesting. |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 9:12:39 PM EDT
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So I wonder how long it would take to prove to the ATF that you don't need a COP (no matter what the law says)? The whole pre-ban needing a COP to SBR it is a concoction of the ATF, so trying to get this to fly may prove interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yea, so a 9.1" (to be safe) barrel is good to go if in fact the lower OAL is 21"... Just saying So I wonder how long it would take to prove to the ATF that you don't need a COP (no matter what the law says)? The whole pre-ban needing a COP to SBR it is a concoction of the ATF, so trying to get this to fly may prove interesting. That's my take on the whole thing... Though I am in if it can be done! Email me if anyone is going to do it 
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Posted: 11/23/2015 9:23:57 AM EDT
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Is there wording on SBR paperwork that indicates the firearm is an AW? The thought that I would need a COP confuses me. Why would it come up that this is an AW? Does it become an AW with the SBR classification? Or is it just due to stupid government officials who think they are actually in charge? I may seriously give this a try early next year with tax return money. Need to get all my ducks in a row first.
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Posted: 11/23/2015 9:29:18 AM EDT
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The SCR has a 37" OAL with a 16.25" barrel. You should theoretically be able to File a Form 1 and chop the barrel to 12.25" without needing an AW cert as the OAL would still be over 30"
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Posted: 11/23/2015 1:26:41 PM EDT
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The SCR has a 37" OAL with a 16.25" barrel. You should theoretically be able to File a Form 1 and chop the barrel to 12.25" without needing an AW cert as the OAL would still be over 30" And you should be able to add it to a trust a e-file as well. Do we have anyone here that has SBR'd a bolt or a lever gun without a AWC? This should be the same thing. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 6:32:25 PM EDT
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The SCR has a 37" OAL with a 16.25" barrel. You should theoretically be able to File a Form 1 and chop the barrel to 12.25" without needing an AW cert as the OAL would still be over 30" And you should be able to add it to a trust a e-file as well. Do we have anyone here that has SBR'd a bolt or a lever gun without a AWC? This should be the same thing. Yea I was thinking 9" with pined break to get me to the over 30" mark. In the 9" realm thinking .300 not .223. I was thinking the same thing, that this would fall int bolt/lever gun realm and not need the COP as it's not an AW. That was unless the act of SBRing turns it into an AW. Very new to this side of the house. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 7:12:41 PM EDT
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Remember that in Connecticut a pistol/revolver is any firearm with a barrel under 12" long.
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Posted: 11/23/2015 7:52:52 PM EDT
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Awe crap. Even if it's over 30" long? And this is why I am new to this stuff. Overly complicated and spins your head around.
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Posted: 11/23/2015 8:30:46 PM EDT
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Awe crap. Even if it's over 30" long? And this is why I am new to this stuff. Overly complicated and spins your head around. Yes even if the overall length is over 30 inches. If the barrel is shorter than 12 inches the idiotic definition of a pistol for CT states its a pistol. We've had this discussion numerous times on the fact that a rifle or any other "firearm" can indeed be a pistol at the same time for the purposes of CT statutes. The definitions: https://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap_950.htm (15) “Machine gun” means a weapon of any description, irrespective of size, by whatever name known, loaded or unloaded, from which a number of shots or bullets may be rapidly or automatically discharged from a magazine with one continuous pull of the trigger and includes a submachine gun; (16) “Rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger; (17) “Shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger; (18) “Pistol” or “revolver” means any firearm having a barrel less than twelve inches; (19) “Firearm” means any sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol, revolver or other weapon, whether loaded or unloaded from which a shot may be discharged; |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 8:34:00 PM EDT
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Awe crap. Even if it's over 30" long? And this is why I am new to this stuff. Overly complicated and spins your head around. Its meant to. By keeping the laws nebulous and confusing, the state intimidates people into not doing things by keeping them guessing what is legal. It gives the law much more power than what is actually written into it. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 9:32:08 PM EDT
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Its meant to. By keeping the laws nebulous and confusing, the state intimidates people into not doing things by keeping them guessing what is legal. It gives the law much more power than what is actually written into it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Awe crap. Even if it's over 30" long? And this is why I am new to this stuff. Overly complicated and spins your head around. Its meant to. By keeping the laws nebulous and confusing, the state intimidates people into not doing things by keeping them guessing what is legal. It gives the law much more power than what is actually written into it. Unless your Madsmith and create the ultimate FU to Malloy with his. ATF classified "other" AIDS Cannon. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 10:21:33 PM EDT
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Unless your Madsmith and create the ultimate FU to Malloy with his. ATF classified "other" AIDS Cannon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Awe crap. Even if it's over 30" long? And this is why I am new to this stuff. Overly complicated and spins your head around. Its meant to. By keeping the laws nebulous and confusing, the state intimidates people into not doing things by keeping them guessing what is legal. It gives the law much more power than what is actually written into it. Unless your Madsmith and create the ultimate FU to Malloy with his. ATF classified "other" AIDS Cannon. Keep barrel over 12 inches, problem solved |
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