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Posted: 8/1/2014 1:07:25 PM EDT
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Pics?
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Posted: 8/1/2014 1:41:19 PM EDT
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Added pic.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 1:41:33 PM EDT
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Very cool!
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Posted: 8/1/2014 2:35:35 PM EDT
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how shit you got a 6/24 submitted F1 back????? THAT IS HUGE just on the fact it was submitted in 6/24, let alone it confirms form 1s for WA are going to get approved!!
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:18:42 PM EDT
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Congrats!
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Posted: 8/1/2014 4:49:51 PM EDT
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Liberty FTW! Damn, can't believe that turn around time... WOW.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:18:33 PM EDT
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I also submitted on 6-24.....hoping for the same result.
So,,,,who you gonna use for engraving? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:35:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2014 6:38:31 PM EDT
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 If you would like info on the shop that does it just let me know. He uses a laser machine located in Auburn too.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:06:56 PM EDT
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How much did this laser engraver charge?
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:14:31 PM EDT
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$50 cash money. But its done right and dont have to worry about shipping your lower out. I did not wanna do that. I still cant believe I own a SBR now.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:25:57 PM EDT
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$50 cash money. But its done right and dont have to worry about shipping your lower out. I did not wanna do that. I still cant believe I own a SBR now. Can you send me this engraver's info? Did you stayed there while he is doing the engraving? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:48:22 PM EDT
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Can you send me this engraver's info? Did you stayed there while he is doing the engraving? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$50 cash money. But its done right and dont have to worry about shipping your lower out. I did not wanna do that. I still cant believe I own a SBR now. Can you send me this engraver's info? Did you stayed there while he is doing the engraving? Yes I was right there watching. I have a video I could upload later very cool to watch. He did 2 passes to ensure it was deep enough. The place is called Jet City Laser, ask for Trevor. |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 7:55:12 PM EDT
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Yes I was right there watching. I have a video I could upload later very cool to watch. He did 2 passes to ensure it was deep enough. The place is called Jet City Laser, ask for Trevor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$50 cash money. But its done right and dont have to worry about shipping your lower out. I did not wanna do that. I still cant believe I own a SBR now. Can you send me this engraver's info? Did you stayed there while he is doing the engraving? Yes I was right there watching. I have a video I could upload later very cool to watch. He did 2 passes to ensure it was deep enough. The place is called Jet City Laser, ask for Trevor. Thanks for the info. My friend seattlite and I will probably chechout that place. Also BATFE SBR engraving requirements are "minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size of the Serial number shall be no smaller than 1/16 inch". Does Trevor knows the SBR engraving requirement already and did you have to tell him? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:06:20 PM EDT
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You are very welcome. But yes I told him the requirements and he made the letters just a hair under or over 1/8" tall just to be safe, (I cant remember too excited lol) which I didnt mind. Also he said that after the second pass it looks to be about 12 thou deep. One thing to realize is a piece of paper is 3 thou thick, we went a little extra just to be safe then hit it with some aluma-black.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:28:57 PM EDT
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You think they can engrave on the front of the magwell? Will looks something like this:
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Posted: 8/1/2014 8:54:46 PM EDT
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Yes he can basically do it anywhere he just sets up his jig and blasts it. I do not think that location would be an issue at all.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:04:37 PM EDT
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So If I've got a trust set up, I can do e-file without getting a gun shop involved?
Congrats btw! 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:05:27 PM EDT
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Thanks Bro! Jet City Laser is just right down the hill from me...appreciate the info!!
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:06:45 PM EDT
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So If I've got a trust set up, I can do e-file without getting a gun shop involved? Yes: https://www.atfonline.gov/EForms/faces/userProfile/login.jspx?_afrLoop=38085366352480307&_afrWindowMode=0&_adf.ctrl-state=ea8y5tqie_23 |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:21:21 PM EDT
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So If I've got a trust set up, I can do e-file without getting a gun shop involved? Congrats btw! Thanks! But yes just set up your trust and go to the atf eform page, create an account and fill out your form1 online!. Also there is a step by step page with pics I found on google of how to fill out a form 1 online. Go to google and type in "eform for dummies" and it should come up. I even think it was a ar15.com page as well.
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:25:12 PM EDT
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Thanks Bro! Jet City Laser is just right down the hill from me...appreciate the info!! Thats funny. Small world I used to work like right across the street from them about 2 years ago at a hydraulic repair shop and I never even knew they existed! Lol. And ya no prob I just wanna help local gun owners out, this is a big deal and exciting! |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:36:26 PM EDT
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Thanks! But yes just set up your trust and go to the atf eform page, create an account and fill out your form1 online!. Also there is a step by step page with pics I found on google of how to fill out a form 1 online. Go to google and type in "eform for dummies" and it should come up. I even think it was a ar15.com page as well.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So If I've got a trust set up, I can do e-file without getting a gun shop involved? Congrats btw! Thanks! But yes just set up your trust and go to the atf eform page, create an account and fill out your form1 online!. Also there is a step by step page with pics I found on google of how to fill out a form 1 online. Go to google and type in "eform for dummies" and it should come up. I even think it was a ar15.com page as well.Theres a guide over in the class 3 sub forum over in the armory that is pretty slick. Thanks for the link, just need to get my trust scanned onto my computer and hopefully I'll get it submitted this weekend. You pay online via credit card for the $200 tax fee, correct? Thx again. 
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:37:42 PM EDT
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Yes you pay with a credit/debit card.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 12:16:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/2/2014 11:58:48 AM EDT
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<a href="http://s65.photobucket.com/user/subiekid21/media/IMG_20140801_010900_zps2dd0f0f3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h203/subiekid21/IMG_20140801_010900_zps2dd0f0f3.jpg</a> If you would like info on the shop that does it just let me know. He uses a laser machine located in Auburn too. That looks like pretty nice work. I suspect he's going to be seeing an influx of SBR-related work coming his way soon. |
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Posted: 8/2/2014 12:58:30 PM EDT
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I also submitted on 6-24.....hoping for the same result. So,,,,who you gonna use for engraving? Me too, I'm actually looking forward to Monday now 
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Posted: 8/2/2014 1:48:28 PM EDT
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I submitted mine 26 June, hope mine is approved soon, too!
Congrats to you! |
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Posted: 8/2/2014 5:36:05 PM EDT
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I'd love engraving info! Need to get mine done!
Heard some people discussing it at Rainier this morning. |
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Posted: 8/2/2014 5:37:58 PM EDT
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Holy shit, mine went to approved at 2:24pm PDT today!
Again, submitted 26 June 2014 Looks like Nickie Dudash signed mine. |
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Posted: 8/2/2014 10:24:54 PM EDT
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Hmm... cancel my paper Form 1 mailed 6/12 and resubmit via eForm, or let it ride...
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Posted: 8/2/2014 11:01:07 PM EDT
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That looks like pretty nice work. I suspect he's going to be seeing an influx of SBR-related work coming his way soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<a href="http://s65.photobucket.com/user/subiekid21/media/IMG_20140801_010900_zps2dd0f0f3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h203/subiekid21/IMG_20140801_010900_zps2dd0f0f3.jpg</a> If you would like info on the shop that does it just let me know. He uses a laser machine located in Auburn too. That looks like pretty nice work. I suspect he's going to be seeing an influx of SBR-related work coming his way soon. Ya he did great work and it took about 15 minutes! Ill post a video of it its very cool to watch. But yes I told him that there will probably be alot of guys coming in for firearm engraving now. Sounds silly but I still wonder if I was the first one in WA to get their form 1 back since it was approved 7/29.  It would just be cool to say! Haha
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Posted: 8/2/2014 11:05:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmm... cancel my paper Form 1 mailed 6/12 and resubmit via eForm, or let it ride... I've read the paper forms are speeding up substantially now that most people are efiling.
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Posted: 8/2/2014 11:38:14 PM EDT
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http://youtu.be/eLOnxEgwIHk
Here is the video of the engraving! It was awesome to watch in person! |
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Posted: 8/2/2014 11:55:32 PM EDT
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Thanks! But yes just set up your trust and go to the atf eform page, create an account and fill out your form1 online!. Also there is a step by step page with pics I found on google of how to fill out a form 1 online. Go to google and type in "eform for dummies" and it should come up. I even think it was a ar15.com page as well.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So If I've got a trust set up, I can do e-file without getting a gun shop involved? Congrats btw! Thanks! But yes just set up your trust and go to the atf eform page, create an account and fill out your form1 online!. Also there is a step by step page with pics I found on google of how to fill out a form 1 online. Go to google and type in "eform for dummies" and it should come up. I even think it was a ar15.com page as well.Awesome, thanks! |
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Posted: 8/3/2014 12:14:18 AM EDT
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Ya he did great work and it took about 15 minutes! Ill post a video of it its very cool to watch. But yes I told him that there will probably be alot of guys coming in for firearm engraving now. Sounds silly but I still wonder if I was the first one in WA to get their form 1 back since it was approved 7/29. It would just be cool to say! HahaQuote HistoryQuoted:
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<a href="http://s65.photobucket.com/user/subiekid21/media/IMG_20140801_010900_zps2dd0f0f3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h203/subiekid21/IMG_20140801_010900_zps2dd0f0f3.jpg</a> If you would like info on the shop that does it just let me know. He uses a laser machine located in Auburn too. That looks like pretty nice work. I suspect he's going to be seeing an influx of SBR-related work coming his way soon. Ya he did great work and it took about 15 minutes! Ill post a video of it its very cool to watch. But yes I told him that there will probably be alot of guys coming in for firearm engraving now. Sounds silly but I still wonder if I was the first one in WA to get their form 1 back since it was approved 7/29. It would just be cool to say! HahaWas it Jet City Laser that did yours? Did you just stop in or make an appointment? I'd like to get mine done asap! Any contact info you could give would be great.
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Posted: 8/3/2014 12:59:13 AM EDT
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Was it Jet City Laser that did yours? Did you just stop in or make an appointment? I'd like to get mine done asap! Any contact info you could give would be great. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<a href="http://s65.photobucket.com/user/subiekid21/media/IMG_20140801_010900_zps2dd0f0f3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h203/subiekid21/IMG_20140801_010900_zps2dd0f0f3.jpg</a> If you would like info on the shop that does it just let me know. He uses a laser machine located in Auburn too. That looks like pretty nice work. I suspect he's going to be seeing an influx of SBR-related work coming his way soon. Ya he did great work and it took about 15 minutes! Ill post a video of it its very cool to watch. But yes I told him that there will probably be alot of guys coming in for firearm engraving now. Sounds silly but I still wonder if I was the first one in WA to get their form 1 back since it was approved 7/29. It would just be cool to say! HahaWas it Jet City Laser that did yours? Did you just stop in or make an appointment? I'd like to get mine done asap! Any contact info you could give would be great. Yes jet city laser in Auburn did it 253-293-2164 ask for Trevor. I just called and he said come by anytime after 2:30pm. He just charges $50 cash, and you stand right there and tell him how you want it. |
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Posted: 8/3/2014 10:10:57 AM EDT
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If anyone has jet city engrave within the trigger guard area (where trigger comes through the bottom of the receiver) or front of the magwell please share pics of the work!!
Also did you get to pic the font ? |
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Posted: 8/3/2014 5:33:42 PM EDT
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Yes you get to pick the font just remember the rules for height and depth. Be sure to tell him too because he is just a engraver shop that doesn't do a lot of NFA items. Don't let that scare you he is very professional and knows how to run his machine.
I was worried at first just because I knew nothing about laser engraver machines, I thought is it going to be deep enough? Too deep? But after talking with him I trusted his info and it all turned out amazing. Like I said before he ran 2 passes to ensure it was deep enough. He told me after the 2nd pass it looked to be about .012 deep. I would go back to his shop in a heart beat. |
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Posted: 8/3/2014 11:23:43 PM EDT
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Yes you get to pick the font just remember the rules for height and depth. Be sure to tell him too because he is just a engraver shop that doesn't do a lot of NFA items. Don't let that scare you he is very professional and knows how to run his machine.
I was worried at first just because I knew nothing about laser engraver machines, I thought is it going to be deep enough? Too deep? But after talking with him I trusted his info and it all turned out amazing. Like I said before he ran 2 passes to ensure it was deep enough. He told me after the 2nd pass it looked to be about .012 deep. I would go back to his shop in a heart beat. I actually kind of like where you did it. What instructions did you give him? |
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Posted: 8/3/2014 11:30:57 PM EDT
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And for anyone needing general guidelines.
Section 7.4 The identification of firearms. 7.4.1 Serial numbers. Each manufacturer of a firearm must legibly identify it by engraving, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing on the firearm’s frame or receiver an individual serial number not duplicating any serial number placed by the manufacturer on any other firearm.120 The requirement that the marking be “conspicuously” placed on the firearm means that the marking must be wholly unobstructed from plain view. For firearms manufactured on or after January 30, 2002, the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch. 7.4.1.1 What is an acceptable serial number? Alpha characters (letters), for example a name, are not acceptable as a serial number. A proper serial number may contain such characters or letters, but it must have at least one numeric character (number). ATF takes the view that marking “legibly” means using exclusively Roman letters (A, B, C, and so forth) and Arabic numerals (1, 2, 3, and so forth).121 Deviations from this requirement have been found to seriously impair ATF’s ability to trace firearms involved in crime. 7.4.2 Additional information. Certain additional information must also be conspicuously placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel of the firearm by engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), that is, they must be placed in such a manner that they are wholly unobstructed from plain view. For firearms manufactured on or after January 30, 2002, this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (1) The model, if such designation has been made; (2) The caliber or gauge; (3) The manufacturer’s name (or recognized abbreviation); and (4) The city and State (or recognized abbreviation) where the manufacturer maintains its place of business.122 7.4.3 Measuring the depth of markings. The depth of all markings is measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers is measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases). |
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Posted: 8/4/2014 12:28:46 AM EDT
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Here is the video of the engraving! It was awesome to watch in person! Made it hot!
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Posted: 8/4/2014 11:10:38 AM EDT
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I actually kind of like where you did it. What instructions did you give him? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes you get to pick the font just remember the rules for height and depth. Be sure to tell him too because he is just a engraver shop that doesn't do a lot of NFA items. Don't let that scare you he is very professional and knows how to run his machine.
I was worried at first just because I knew nothing about laser engraver machines, I thought is it going to be deep enough? Too deep? But after talking with him I trusted his info and it all turned out amazing. Like I said before he ran 2 passes to ensure it was deep enough. He told me after the 2nd pass it looked to be about .012 deep. I would go back to his shop in a heart beat. I actually kind of like where you did it. What instructions did you give him? Thanks, I just basically told him it has to be a minimum of 1/16 inch tall and .003 deep and he said no problem. Then I just showed him what and where I wanted it and we made sure it would fit. He double checked the size of the font before we hit it and he made it a little bigger than 1/16th just to be safe. |
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Posted: 8/4/2014 11:26:25 AM EDT
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I'll site a reference when I get to work, but I believe the height requirements apply to the serial number only.
If you form 1 an existing firearm it already has the serial number, so the maker info just needs to meet the depth requirements. reference (parts in bold called out by me regarding serial number specific requirements and general depth requirements for all other info (including maker info)-> [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 27, Volume 2] [Revised as of April 1, 2003] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 27CFR479.102] [Page 188-189] TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FIREARMS CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PART 479--MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS--Table of Contents Subpart G--Registration and Identification of Firearms Sec. 479.102 How must firearms be identified? (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows: (1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (i) The model, if such designation has been made; (ii) The caliber or gauge; (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker; (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and [[Page 189]] (v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. (b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases). Basically the serial number has height and location requirements (must be on receiver), the additional maker info ('John Smith Trust Seattle WA') we engrave during the form 1 process only has depth requirements, and can be located on either the receiver or barrel. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 8:30:01 PM EDT
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Anyone know whether Jet City can engrave smaller than 1/16?
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Posted: 8/18/2014 8:35:05 PM EDT
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Anyone know whether Jet City can engrave smaller than 1/16? I'm not sure but I plan on giving them a call tomorrow to try to arrange a time with them to have my lower done this week. |
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Posted: 8/18/2014 11:11:32 PM EDT
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They can but per Trevor at Jet City the smaller you go with that deep of engraving the less clear it will turn out. At least that's what he told me when I asked. :)
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Posted: 8/18/2014 11:17:34 PM EDT
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Why are you guys laser etching the lower and not the upper?
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Posted: 8/19/2014 12:09:06 AM EDT
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From all that I've ever read, you can engrave the frame or receiver (serialized part, guns like the scar have the upper that is the serialized part), or you can engrave the barrel. So on an AR type rifle, the upper would not meet this requirement cause its neither the frame\receiver or barrel.
If you did the barrel, you could avoid engraving the receiver, but if you got a different short-barreled upper you'd have to also engrave that barrel as well. Most people just decide to engrave the frame\receiver for that reason. |
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Posted: 8/19/2014 4:14:25 PM EDT
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I've got an appointment Thursday to have my engraving done by Trevor over at Jet City. I'll find out more details when I have it done and if anyone has any specific questions just let me know and I'll be sure to ask.
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