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Posted: 3/5/2015 12:14:29 PM EDT
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Thinking hard about getting one... found better pictures on various websites, the receiver and barrel look very shiny. I'm curious if it's identical to the brass version apart from material, ie. are all parts interchangable?
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Somebody school me on this "straight wall hunting cartridge" thing.
Was there some sort of asshattery in the game laws of some states that PROHIBITED straight-wall cartridges for hunting until recently? |
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If you look closely at Henry's website about this they show the weight of the steel version at 7lbs vice the weight of the brass version at 8.68lbs.
That's 1 2/3 pounds lighter which is a significant reduction!! |
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Quoted: Somebody school me on this "straight wall hunting cartridge" thing. Was there some sort of asshattery in the game laws of some states that PROHIBITED straight-wall cartridges for hunting until recently? View Quote Different states require different calibers. Some states required only rifled slugs for deer hunting!! |
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Well,... damn. I'm liking me some of THAT! http://www.henryrifles.com/wp-content/uploads/rifles/Bigboy-Steel-Featured1.png View Quote ![]() ![]() |
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Nice...gotta hand it to Henry...they are coming out with some great stuff. I still "owe" a pic of My Henry .45-70
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Somebody school me on this "straight wall hunting cartridge" thing. Was there some sort of asshattery in the game laws of some states that PROHIBITED straight-wall cartridges for hunting until recently? Different states require different calibers. Some states required only rifled slugs for deer hunting!! Yeah, I know about slug and buckshot laws. I still want to somebody in a state affected by this "straight wall" thing to explain to me how the law now/previously limited or required a particular SHAPE on the shell casing. |
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Yeah, I know about slug and buckshot laws. I still want to somebody in a state affected by this "straight wall" thing to explain to me how the law now/previously limited or required a particular SHAPE on the shell casing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Somebody school me on this "straight wall hunting cartridge" thing. Was there some sort of asshattery in the game laws of some states that PROHIBITED straight-wall cartridges for hunting until recently? Different states require different calibers. Some states required only rifled slugs for deer hunting!! Yeah, I know about slug and buckshot laws. I still want to somebody in a state affected by this "straight wall" thing to explain to me how the law now/previously limited or required a particular SHAPE on the shell casing. Here's Michigan's: All Firearm Deer Seasons - Limited Firearm Deer Zone (See pg. 12)
In the limited firearm deer zone, all hunters afield from Nov. 15-30, and all deer hunters in this zone during other deer seasons, must abide by the following firearm restrictions or use a crossbow or a bow and arrow. Legal firearms are as follows: • A shotgun may have a smooth or rifled barrel and may be of any gauge. • A muzzleloading rifle or black powder handgun must be loaded with black powder or a commercially manufactured black powder substitute. • A conventional (smokeless powder) handgun must be .35 caliber or larger and loaded with straight-walled cartridges and may be single- or multiple-shot but cannot exceed a maximum capacity of nine rounds in the barrel and magazine combined. • During the firearm deer seasons, a firearm deer hunter may carry afield a bow and arrow, crossbow and firearm. Exceptions: See Muzzleloading Deer Seasons above for restrictions during this season. • Centerfire or rimfire may be used Dec. 1 - Nov. 9 in the limited firearm deer zone during the open seasons. Exception: Rifles may NOT be used for deer, turkeys, migratory game birds and certain furbearers (see pgs. 48-49 for Nighttime Furbearer Regulations). • A .35 caliber or larger rifle loaded with straight-walled cartridges with a minimum case length of 1.16 inches and a maximum case length of 1.80 inches. • A .35 caliber or larger air rifle or pistol charged only from an external high-compression power source, or a muzzle-loading rifle. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Somebody school me on this "straight wall hunting cartridge" thing. Was there some sort of asshattery in the game laws of some states that PROHIBITED straight-wall cartridges for hunting until recently? Different states require different calibers. Some states required only rifled slugs for deer hunting!! Yeah, I know about slug and buckshot laws. I still want to somebody in a state affected by this "straight wall" thing to explain to me how the law now/previously limited or required a particular SHAPE on the shell casing. Here's Michigan's: All Firearm Deer Seasons - Limited Firearm Deer Zone (See pg. 12) In the limited firearm deer zone, all hunters afield from Nov. 15-30, and all deer hunters in this zone during other deer seasons, must abide by the following firearm restrictions or use a crossbow or a bow and arrow. Legal firearms are as follows: • A shotgun may have a smooth or rifled barrel and may be of any gauge. • A muzzleloading rifle or black powder handgun must be loaded with black powder or a commercially manufactured black powder substitute. • A conventional (smokeless powder) handgun must be .35 caliber or larger and loaded with straight-walled cartridges and may be single- or multiple-shot but cannot exceed a maximum capacity of nine rounds in the barrel and magazine combined. • During the firearm deer seasons, a firearm deer hunter may carry afield a bow and arrow, crossbow and firearm. Exceptions: See Muzzleloading Deer Seasons above for restrictions during this season. • Centerfire or rimfire may be used Dec. 1 - Nov. 9 in the limited firearm deer zone during the open seasons. Exception: Rifles may NOT be used for deer, turkeys, migratory game birds and certain furbearers (see pgs. 48-49 for Nighttime Furbearer Regulations). • A .35 caliber or larger rifle loaded with straight-walled cartridges with a minimum case length of 1.16 inches and a maximum case length of 1.80 inches. • A .35 caliber or larger air rifle or pistol charged only from an external high-compression power source, or a muzzle-loading rifle. |
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OK, so this "straight walled" cartridge thing is a way by which the authorities are permitting center-fire rifles in places where rifles were previously not permitted.
So, its a good thing - as an improvement, or relaxation of previous excess restriction. Yes? |
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Nice but only 1 barrel length. With no Carbine length, I think they missed the boat.
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would be nice if it was 16in.. but 20in is a happy medium. They are not that big of a company; so perhaps down the road they will give more diverse barrel lengths.
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Just to confuse things more, here in Colorado, big game hunting laws are as follows:
A. The following are legal methods of take for all species and seasons listed in this chapter, except as otherwise noted. Any method of take not listed herein shall be prohibited, except as otherwise provided by statute or these regulations: 1. Rifles using center-fire cartridges of .24 caliber or larger, having expanding bullets of at least seventy (70) grains in weight, except for elk and moose where the minimum bullet 6 weight is eighty-five (85) grains, and with a rated impact energy one hundred (100) yards from the muzzle of at least one thousand (1000) foot pounds as determined by the manufacturer's rating, and except for mountain lion where any center-fire rifle using bullets of at least 45 grains and producing at least 400 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle may be used. Provided further that any semiautomatic rifle used shall not hold more than six (6) rounds in the magazine and chamber combined. A fully automatic rifle is prohibited. 2. Muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets, provided the minimum caliber shall be forty (.40) for all big game except elk and moose. The minimum caliber for elk and moose shall be fifty (.50). All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets from forty (.40) caliber through fifty (.50) caliber must use a bullet of at least 170 grains in weight. All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets greater than fifty (.50) caliber must use bullets of at least 210 grains in weight. a. During the muzzle-loading firearms seasons for deer, elk, pronghorn, bear, and moose only lawful muzzle-loaders and smoothbore muskets may be used by muzzle-loading license holders. b. During the muzzle-loading firearm seasons for deer, elk, pronghorn, bear, and moose the following additional restrictions apply: 1. Propellent/Powders: The use of pelletized powder systems and smokeless powder are prohibited. 2. Projectiles: Sabots are prohibited. For the purposes of this regulation cloth patches are not sabots. 3. Loading: Firearms must load from the muzzle. Firearms which can be loaded from the breech are prohibited. 4. Sights: Any muzzle-loading rifle or smoothbore musket with any sighting device other than open or "iron” sights is prohibited. 5. Electronic or battery-powered devices cannot be incorporated into or attached to the muzzle-loading firearm. |
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Enough about laws. Anybody got their hands on one? Is it dimensionally identical to a brass big boy? What's the barrel diameter at the muzzle? Local place has one on order, waiting for it to show up.
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local cowboy shop has a few, my buddy bought one saturday.
brand new un fired, the action was clunky and not overly smooth like all the brass big boys i've seen. |
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Make it stainless, and I am in! ![]() Don't you find it harder to sneak around in the woods, while carrying a stainless steel rifle? Not an issue for me, as I don't hunt, and by extension, don't sneak around in the woods! ![]() I do, however, have issues with nice blued finishes that wear/rust quickly going to the range, or walking OPENLY in the woods to get to the shooting area. ![]() |
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Not an issue for me, as I don't hunt, and by extension, don't sneak around in the woods! ![]() I do, however, have issues with nice blued finishes that wear/rust quickly going to the range, or walking OPENLY in the woods to get to the shooting area. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Make it stainless, and I am in! ![]() Don't you find it harder to sneak around in the woods, while carrying a stainless steel rifle? Not an issue for me, as I don't hunt, and by extension, don't sneak around in the woods! ![]() I do, however, have issues with nice blued finishes that wear/rust quickly going to the range, or walking OPENLY in the woods to get to the shooting area. ![]() That's some fast rust. FYi I do like stainless and have a couple, but have never had a rust problem with blued weapons. I used to hunt allot too. |
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That's some fast rust. FYi I do like stainless and have a couple, but have never had a rust problem with blued weapons. I used to hunt allot too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Make it stainless, and I am in! ![]() Don't you find it harder to sneak around in the woods, while carrying a stainless steel rifle? Not an issue for me, as I don't hunt, and by extension, don't sneak around in the woods! ![]() I do, however, have issues with nice blued finishes that wear/rust quickly going to the range, or walking OPENLY in the woods to get to the shooting area. ![]() That's some fast rust. FYi I do like stainless and have a couple, but have never had a rust problem with blued weapons. I used to hunt allot too. I am really talking about high edge wear and scratches, just throwing rust in as an adder! ![]() |
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I am really talking about high edge wear and scratches, just throwing rust in as an adder! ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Make it stainless, and I am in! ![]() Don't you find it harder to sneak around in the woods, while carrying a stainless steel rifle? Not an issue for me, as I don't hunt, and by extension, don't sneak around in the woods! ![]() I do, however, have issues with nice blued finishes that wear/rust quickly going to the range, or walking OPENLY in the woods to get to the shooting area. ![]() That's some fast rust. FYi I do like stainless and have a couple, but have never had a rust problem with blued weapons. I used to hunt allot too. I am really talking about high edge wear and scratches, just throwing rust in as an adder! ![]() I hear ya, my first two duty weapons were stainless. |
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When I bought my Rossi 92, I was disappointed that they didn't have a stainless one, but upon reflection, decided that the blued finish is better for sitting in the woods.
So I am quite happy with it, and you couldn't give me one of the new "Winchesters" with the lawyer trigger, rebounding hammer, and one other thing, which I forget. Last I looked, the street price was around $1000 for the Winchester. |
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Henry does seem to be stepping up to the plate with some new/old designs. My use of the term "new /old" is not intended as critical but complementary
The magazine tube loads from the bottom front like a Marlin 39a correct? Not sure how I feel about that. The angle and drop of the stock seems a bit odd also. The finish of the metal and fit ,selection and finish of the stock seems to be a throwback to guns of 50+ years ago , like somebody who builds them actually has a bit of pride. Good stuff indeed . I own a quite nice North Haven Marlin Cowboy model 44mag so I am not in the market for this but I guess I need to lay hands on one in real life and look it over . My Marlin is a long full sized gun , at some point if I got some cash together I might consider a 44 mag in a shorter lighter size to compliment it. To my fellow CT shooter , I know what you mean .I have a mix of blued and stainless guns. I really love the look of a old time high polish blue gun but it is soul wrenching when the inevitable scratch or nick appears . The ability of the stainless gun to look ok no mater what you do to it has its advantages It is not like I have ever allowed any of my non stainless guns to rust but some of them have a lot of "character" |
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Yep, the 'non starter' element of the design for me is the lack of a frame loading gate. Pulling out the tube to drop in rds has always been a real pain in the butt with my 22s even though I understand why you can't have one on a 22lr because of the way the bullet is seated. That said, to have to subject myself to that in the larger calibers just isn't going to happen.
Pretty rifle, likely well made with great smooth action, reasonable weight, decent price, etc. + lack of side loading gate = FAIL. |
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I like to unload using the opening in the tube.
Beats running them all through the action, I think, but I always load through the gate. |
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I like to unload using the opening in the tube. Beats running them all through the action, I think, but I always load through the gate. I much prefer unloading my leverguns using the opening at the muzzle. Yes, there is that method, too. ![]() |
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Large loop lever, octagon barrel, no loading gate . . . . not my idea of a carbine.
I give it a FAIL |
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They are now making a carbine too. https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/522088_834557576614532_560855800201456305_n.jpg?oh=c4fa3f619ee127be45524b3f2ecb58a4&oe=55B4F32A&__gda__=1437576898_dc813582367ec5663d39c3913e643eb8 If this was steel.... View Quote dammit ![]() ![]() |
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the look and configuration of the henry is not for everyone.. my brother won't own one after loving the action and accuracy / sights of mine. Why- no loading gate..
If Henry will just opening their development and constructive talents in making a line for loading gated firearms with steel options at the same level of quality and care they are making their current lines.. they will own the lever action market for a very long time. |
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Yep, the 'non starter' element of the design for me is the lack of a frame loading gate. Pulling out the tube to drop in rds has always been a real pain in the butt with my 22s even though I understand why you can't have one on a 22lr because of the way the bullet is seated. That said, to have to subject myself to that in the larger calibers just isn't going to happen. Pretty rifle, likely well made with great smooth action, reasonable weight, decent price, etc. + lack of side loading gate = FAIL. View Quote The Marlin loading gate sucks. I shoot my 16" 44mag in two-gun matches and let me tell you by the third or fourth stage my thumb is killing me. I would much rather be able to drop 9 rounds in start shooting than shove them through the gate one by one. |
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https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/522088_834557576614532_560855800201456305_n.jpg?oh=c4fa3f619ee127be45524b3f2ecb58a4&oe=55B4F32A&__gda__=1437576898_dc813582367ec5663d39c3913e643eb8 If this was steel.... View Quote ........... it would still be ugly. |
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Yeah, I know about slug and buckshot laws. I still want to somebody in a state affected by this "straight wall" thing to explain to me how the law now/previously limited or required a particular SHAPE on the shell casing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Somebody school me on this "straight wall hunting cartridge" thing. Was there some sort of asshattery in the game laws of some states that PROHIBITED straight-wall cartridges for hunting until recently? Different states require different calibers. Some states required only rifled slugs for deer hunting!! Yeah, I know about slug and buckshot laws. I still want to somebody in a state affected by this "straight wall" thing to explain to me how the law now/previously limited or required a particular SHAPE on the shell casing. In IA you can only use shotgun slugs, ML, or handgun shooting straight wall ammo. I believe the reason behind the straight wall requirement is so that you can't get a TC contender or one of the other specialty handguns chambered in, say .30-06, .308, etc. |
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I think it is a great rifle and they will sell a lot of them. I would like to see the Carbine or Mare's leg magazine assembly on the 20 inch barreled version. Would be easier to handle at the range with the shorter tube. For hunting you really dont need 10 shots. A 16 inch barrel would also be nice.
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I finally got to see a steel big boy today. Not impressed. The stock is about an inch shorter, feels closer to a kid size gun. Way lighter than a brass one, similar weight to a new marlin.
Steel with a heavy octagon barrel and long stock is what I was hoping for. It's off my list! |
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