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Posted: 2/1/2015 5:50:56 PM EDT
I've got cans, SBRs and MGs but it's time for my first SBS. I really like the 870 and 590a1.  I've shot both in full size but not the sbs versions. Which one would you get and why?
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 5:25:03 AM EDT
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flip a coin or buy whatever one you prefer, regardless both are fine choices.  Me personally I stick with 870's for commonality with all my other shotguns.



870's get the nod IMHO as better for a pistol grip because of the location of the safety, on 500's you have to take your shooting hand off the grip to disengage the safety on top of the receiver




500's get a slight nod for being a bit more ambidextrous of a gun in a traditional stock configuration with the safety on top of the receiver






Link Posted: 2/2/2015 10:05:33 AM EDT
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flip a coin or buy whatever one you prefer, regardless both are fine choices.  Me personally I stick with 870's for commonality with all my other shotguns.


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870's get the nod IMHO as better for a pistol grip because of the location of the safety, on 500's you have to take your shooting hand off the grip to disengage the safety on top of the receiver




500's get a slight nod for being a bit more ambidextrous of a gun in a traditional stock configuration with the safety on top of the receiver










 
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I am a 590a1 guy.

I do not have to move my hand from the grip to push the safety to fire, but I do slightly to put it on safe.

The A1 is the thicker barreled model, dual claw extractors, metal trigger group, the feed elavator stores tucked up and away so you can load the mag tube easier.


Yes the ejector is a bitch if it breaks.




Lasty there are a SHIT ton of police trade in 590a1 for sale right now, in the $275 range with surefire lights...




Get both.




Link Posted: 2/2/2015 10:12:14 AM EDT
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
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There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.




ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169





 
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 3:01:30 PM EDT
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I went with the 870.

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flip a coin or buy whatever one you prefer, regardless both are fine choices.  Me personally I stick with 870's for commonality with all my other shotguns.



870's get the nod IMHO as better for a pistol grip because of the location of the safety, on 500's you have to take your shooting hand off the grip to disengage the safety on top of the receiver




500's get a slight nod for being a bit more ambidextrous of a gun in a traditional stock configuration with the safety on top of the receiver








 
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I am a 590a1 guy.

I do not have to move my hand from the grip to push the safety to fire, but I do slightly to put it on safe.

The A1 is the thicker barreled model, dual claw extractors, metal trigger group, the feed elavator stores tucked up and away so you can load the mag tube easier.


Yes the ejector is a bitch if it breaks.




Lasty there are a SHIT ton of police trade in 590a1 for sale right now, in the $275 range with surefire lights...




Get both.








 
That's the only appropriate answer in this case....you know....just to be sure
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..

There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.




ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169



http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  
I'm with Chasboob on this one.

 
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There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  



this is a legit arfcommer?
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I went 870.





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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.



ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169



http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  






this is a legit arfcommer?
The one I linked might be*?

 



But there is a dealer on the boards here that says he has a bunch of the same guns for the same price as these.
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There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  


I'll take them all.

But seriously, I'd love to get a 14" barrel on my 870.
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  



this is a legit arfcommer?
The one I linked might be*?  

But there is a dealer on the boards here that says he has a bunch of the same guns for the same price as these.


please,,, please Someone PM his info!..




where do you get the rounded pistol grip? i cant find one anywhere.
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There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.





ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right t


this is a legit arfcommer?
The one I linked might be*?  





But there is a dealer on the boards here that says he has a bunch of the same guns for the same price as these.








please,,, please Someone PM his info!..






where do you get the rounded pistol grip? i cant find one anywhere.


That is a birds head

 
 
Link Posted: 2/2/2015 6:51:22 PM EDT
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Mossberg 500 / 590

The main reason is the magazine tube.  On the Mossberg, it's threaded into the receiver...this means I can swap out a two round tube for an 8 round tube, or anything in between.  I also like the light weight aluminum receiver, but that's second to the mag tube.
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where do you get the rounded pistol grip? i cant find one anywhere.





 
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/221333/speedfeed-pistol-grip-remington-870-12-gauge-synthetic-black
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There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  



This is a legit dealer in Ohio, I just bought one today.

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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.



ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169



http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  






This is a legit dealer in Ohio, I just bought one today.



What did he charge for shipping to Tx?

 
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  



This is a legit dealer in Ohio, I just bought one today.

What did he charge for shipping to Tx?  


$275 shipped
Link Posted: 2/3/2015 6:03:32 PM EDT
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I just called in an order too.  He said that he sold 30-something of them today.

I was looking going through the paperwork for my 20" 590, but this one seemed like a good deal to me.





CHRIS
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I just called in an order too.  He said that he sold 30-something of them today.

I was looking going through the paperwork for my 20" 590, but this one seemed like a good deal to me.





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30 today? Nice.

 



I think I paid $250 shipped w/o the light 18 months ago.




Great price.
Link Posted: 2/3/2015 7:06:14 PM EDT
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Just ordered one today as well. Sure beats the GB used one for 500.00, and the new one for 580.00 with no light or speedfeed
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Just ordered one today as well. Sure beats the GB used one for 500.00, and the new one for 580.00 with no light or speedfeed
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You are welcome too!!
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There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  


So will these be double taxed? Once for the Form 3 and again for the Form 4?
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So will these be double taxed? Once for the Form 3 and again for the Form 4?
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  


So will these be double taxed? Once for the Form 3 and again for the Form 4?


Negative, ships free to your SOT. Then the form 4 to you
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  




So will these be double taxed? Once for the Form 3 and again for the Form 4?




Negative, ships free to your SOT. Then the form 4 to you
This,

 
Link Posted: 2/7/2015 10:21:52 AM EDT
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870. FTW

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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.
ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  


So will these be double taxed? Once for the Form 3 and again for the Form 4?


Negative, ships free to your SOT. Then the form 4 to you


Are there extensive wait times with Form 3s from the ATF to "Ok" the transfer from one dealer to the other?

I have only completed Form 1s so forgive my ignorance.
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Links? I'm not finding them, except the 500.00 one on GB..
There is a seller on ARFcom too but, you would need to find him.

ghost sights, speed stock, and a light are worth 3/4th the price right there.http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=171169

http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i447/voiinc/0122151328_zpsszd5hrvl.jpg  




So will these be double taxed? Once for the Form 3 and again for the Form 4?




Negative, ships free to your SOT. Then the form 4 to you




Are there extensive wait times with Form 3s from the ATF to "Ok" the transfer from one dealer to the other?



I have only completed Form 1s so forgive my ignorance.




 
3-8 weeks right now, form 3 dealer to dealer.



based on a limited sample is about 8 weeks form 4 "Individual to dealer "



And form 4 dealer to Individual/trust 100 days +/- 20days
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Chas, I really, really wish you hadn't posted about that sturmgewehr ad. When I checked it out, I had to buy 11 of 'em.
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11? nice.



did you get a Volume discount?



I could use a 2nd SBS, I was thinking a Sagia but These Damn 590 are so nice.





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My son, the 07/02, handled it, so I have no idea what he paid for them ... it was just such a deal at $275 delivered -- as you said, the ghost-ring sights, light and SpeedFeed stock are worth more than that. Actually, they will be going to his shop inventory for future projects.
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11? nice.

did you get a Volume discount?

I could use a 2nd SBS, I was thinking a Sagia but These Damn 590 are so nice.





My son, the 07/02, handled it, so I have no idea what he paid for them ... it was just such a deal at $275 delivered -- as you said, the ghost-ring sights, light and SpeedFeed stock are worth more than that. Actually, they will be going to his shop inventory for future projects.
Damn, I was wondering if he had any left.

 
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this is a photo of a benelli sbs similar to mine, got it from snapshots:  http://www.mossbergmvp.com/index.php?threads/benelli-nova-tactical.82/
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My son, the 07/02, handled it, so I have no idea what he paid for them ... it was just such a deal at $275 delivered -- as you said, the ghost-ring sights, light and SpeedFeed stock are worth more than that. Actually, they will be going to his shop inventory for future projects.
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11? nice.

did you get a Volume discount?

I could use a 2nd SBS, I was thinking a Sagia but These Damn 590 are so nice.





My son, the 07/02, handled it, so I have no idea what he paid for them ... it was just such a deal at $275 delivered -- as you said, the ghost-ring sights, light and SpeedFeed stock are worth more than that. Actually, they will be going to his shop inventory for future projects.
I am not going to lie I want a 2nd 590 but do I need one.

 



I know I want a saGia 12. I found a local S20 for $7/750 but damn it's not a12


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Also found a used Remington 870 locally, and just started my trust paperwork. Gonna turn the 870 into a 12" ish SBS with the vent rib, like this, except with a speedfeed IV

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Cool deal!  I'm gonna look for a used 870 when I get home to do this with.  Worst case I'll buy another express and do it on that, but I'd rather get a used wingmaster for around the same price and use that instead.
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I guess he doesn't have any, SBS 590A1, left and I can't find his info anywhere.
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No worries man, there will be more.

 



I paid the same price 2 years ago, but I did not get a light.




there will be more.




Where in Tx are you?
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My 590a1 SBS arrived at my SOTs on Friday and looks great, and even had a One small ding on the receiver and a little barrel wear but overall, it was better than I expected!!   Form 4 goes out today (trust), so hopefully only 90 days or so.
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870 SBS mostly complete...

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I've always been a mossberg fan but I went 870 with mine solely for the position of the magazine tube and to get the shortest possible barrel without having to modify anything. I went 12.5" and with chokes I can still get great patterns and also a salvo if I decide.
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I think you can spell Tony, with 11 SBS Just saying
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870
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Hey, they were such a bargain......
for $99 each I would have bought them too

 
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M2/m4 SBS owners.  Are they choked?
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Mossberg decided to stop selling 14" front end parts to "civilians".  Apparently police aren't civilians anymore because Mossberg is happy to sell to your LE agency or the DoD.  

The non-NFA 14" Mossberg didn't set well with them apparently.  Prices for 14" parts have skyrocketed.
Link Posted: 4/17/2015 6:10:02 PM EDT
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Here's my 14" mossberg 590a1 SBS that was part of the 275.00 delivered deal. One small ding behind the triggergard but normal wear besides that.



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