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I sold my EMC partly due to the realization I’d never be able to get the suppressor. I had one guy offer to sell me one for $5000 and I thought that was beyond ridiculous at the time. |
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Awesome!
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This is awesome. Well done on answering the hole in the market.
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In for an EMC can.. whats the timeline for these?
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I wouldn't stand in front of a piss-filled supersoaker. Does that make it a good pistol? - Caboose314
I thought I was covered for 22 cans, but the NFAids is a bitch when it mutates - themagikbullet |
Originally Posted By Mblades: Nice! I sold my EMC partly due to the realization I’d never be able to get the suppressor. I had one guy offer to sell me one for $5000 and I thought that was beyond ridiculous at the time. View Quote I never found one at a price that made any sense, so I’ll probably have an accurate 16” .308 at some point due to spending a year of my life developing and manufacturing it. |
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Originally Posted By Outrider: This is awesome. Well done on answering the hole in the market. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Outrider: This is awesome. Well done on answering the hole in the market. Thanks, I appreciate it. Originally Posted By KWCAM: In for an EMC can.. whats the timeline for these? There are a small number of everything complete and painted for immediate sale. So like tomorrow hopefully they will allocate some inventory or initiate whatever makes the product saleable. They aren’t all painted due to offering two colors in the models that aren’t the MGL-11, and not knowing what will be demanded. |
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I want one of these, now what options are there for a cost effective M110/SR25?
Wonder if you could put a M110 gas block on a PSA Sabre M110 to use this? |
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Originally Posted By Yumago: I want one of these, now what options are there for a cost effective M110/SR25? Wonder if you could put a M110 gas block on a PSA Sabre M110 to use this? View Quote SR25Cartel/HTX concepts have made a clone SR25 upper. Barrels and gas blocks have also just come out. This is good timing. |
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Will you release the mounting specs so others can make gas blocks for this?
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I know you said these aren't clones, but if these are successful you really should make a clone version, in appearance obviously.
Regardless great work. |
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For guys looking to roll their own rifles here are a few parts options:
Low profile GB, barrels, and upper parts can also be found at dwilson Rainier M110 Barrel Nefarious Arms is also a barrel and now I believe gas block option as well Obviously you have some other options in the AR10 upper/lower arena but the SR25 pattern slant cut receiver options (especially uppers) has been very limited prior to the Cartel upper. |
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This looks like another rip off of Kac products by griffin. Haven’t other people been banned from this forum for ripping off the gate latch cans?
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Originally Posted By jake2212: This looks like another rip off of Kac products by griffin. Haven’t other people been banned from this forum for ripping off the gate latch cans? View Quote Rip off? These cans fit an existing and unique "eco-system" that isn't being fulfilled by Knights. The entire point of this product is to take care of SR25/large frame clone guys who can't or won't drop the absurd money that the legacy KAC cans command. I don't expect these to be a big time seller for Griffin with such a niche market but I think it's awesome they spent the time/money investment to bring these to market. There is a reason the SR25 aftermarket/clone market is growing so fast. This is coming from a KAC owner who owns 0 Griffin cans and has rolled my eyes at Green0 plenty of times. |
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Originally Posted By Outrider: Rip off? These cans fit an existing and unique "eco-system" that isn't being fulfilled by Knights. The entire point of this product is to take care of SR25/large frame clone guys who can't or won't drop the absurd money that the legacy KAC cans command. I don't expect these to be a big time seller for Griffin with such a niche market but I think it's awesome they spent the time/money investment to bring these to market. There is a reason the SR25 aftermarket/clone market is growing so fast. This is coming from a KAC owner who owns 0 Griffin cans and has rolled my eyes at Green0 plenty of times. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Outrider: Originally Posted By jake2212: This looks like another rip off of Kac products by griffin. Haven’t other people been banned from this forum for ripping off the gate latch cans? Rip off? These cans fit an existing and unique "eco-system" that isn't being fulfilled by Knights. The entire point of this product is to take care of SR25/large frame clone guys who can't or won't drop the absurd money that the legacy KAC cans command. I don't expect these to be a big time seller for Griffin with such a niche market but I think it's awesome they spent the time/money investment to bring these to market. There is a reason the SR25 aftermarket/clone market is growing so fast. This is coming from a KAC owner who owns 0 Griffin cans and has rolled my eyes at Green0 plenty of times. Totally agree. Plenty of Griffin’s products are/were clearly “inspired” by KAC to put it nicely but this is filling a consumer need that KAC can’t/won’t. |
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If KAC would service / replace / do anything if my mk11 can got destroyed then I wouldn't be afraid to shoot it.
I got one at msrp like five years ago and have put 15 rounds through it on my mk13. If anything happens to it, its irreplaceable. I may pick up one of these just to use as a shooter. |
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Originally Posted By jake2212: This looks like another rip off of Kac products by griffin. Haven’t other people been banned from this forum for ripping off the gate latch cans? View Quote KAC is welcome to sue for infringement. Or better yet just buy another machine or two and produce things us lowly peasants want. Until then, the market fills the void |
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I wouldn't stand in front of a piss-filled supersoaker. Does that make it a good pistol? - Caboose314
I thought I was covered for 22 cans, but the NFAids is a bitch when it mutates - themagikbullet |
Originally Posted By jake2212: This looks like another rip off of Kac products by griffin. Haven't other people been banned from this forum for ripping off the gate latch cans? View Quote This is a solid win for us mere mortals who don't have the real thing. |
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Originally Posted By Quintin: Normally I'm ready to jump on the Griffin hate bandwagon, but this is nothing but a good thing for guys who want an M110 or Mk11 style can today. I don't think you can buy those cans from Knight's any more, and on the secondary market they go for stupid money. Plus if you have a Knight's can and something were to happen to it, what's the chances of having it repaired or replaced today? This is a solid win for us mere mortals who don't have the real thing. View Quote Totally agree, I was planning on trolling Otter Creek to make a clone lol. |
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Originally Posted By Quintin: Normally I'm ready to jump on the Griffin hate bandwagon, but this is nothing but a good thing for guys who want an M110 or Mk11 style can today. I don't think you can buy those cans from Knight's any more, and on the secondary market they go for stupid money. Plus if you have a Knight's can and something were to happen to it, what's the chances of having it repaired or replaced today? This is a solid win for us mere mortals who don't have the real thing. View Quote Exactly. |
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Didn’t Colt originally design the “gate lock” method of attachment for a blank firing adapter that KAC later “copied” and used?
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Some type of relatively easy PSA M110 gas block conversion and flash hider and I am in.
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Now we just need URX 3.1/II copies and we are set.
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Admittedly I'm not Griffin's biggest fan, but this is a cool product that fits a nice niche.
I see this no different than I see OCL filling a gap in the market with the OCM5. Can't wait to see what people build with these. |
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Originally Posted By jake2212: This looks like another rip off of Kac products by griffin. Haven’t other people been banned from this forum for ripping off the gate latch cans? View Quote If it is, I'm sure Reed Knight has lawyers and money for litigation. If not, then nothing will come of anything. Beyond that, good on them for releasing an interesting product which fills a market niche. |
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Originally Posted By Plumber576: Admittedly I'm not Griffin's biggest fan, but this is a cool product that fits a nice niche. I see this no different than I see OCL filling a gap in the market with the OCM5. Can't wait to see what people build with these. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Plumber576: Admittedly I'm not Griffin's biggest fan, but this is a cool product that fits a nice niche. I see this no different than I see OCL filling a gap in the market with the OCM5. Can't wait to see what people build with these. To be fair we were intentionally making the can in a completely different way, because we don't want to step on the look of the KAC unit, and because competing with the design (even our undeveloped essential production prototype to their tuned can) was part of the interest we had in the project. This is like a Borla exhaust for fitment to a Ford car. The cosmetic look of the KAC unit is mostly a byproduct of how the can is made (punched holes and spot welds), so I'm not really sure there is any protected appearance there, but we stayed away from that anyway, because this is the Griffin Exhaust system for the KAC rifle. I also once made a 2 lug QD coupler to mount a Optimus to an unmodified British Enfield sniper rifle, and the only thing that really hurt that for me was that the Enfield "sniper" shot like 5MOA, so it just fell short of being fun to shoot because it isn't accurate. Nefarious makes barrels, LMT BCG's are functional in them. SR25 cartel makes an upper, Charlies Custom clones has a house brand gas block clone. So finding a rail is the hard part of making a clone upper. We were targeting guys who already owned rifles, including MK13's that don't have cans as the target customer for these. There is no patent, and if there had been one, it would be expired at this point. I do think the Colt AR15 BFA of this style used until the 1990's, was likely the inspiration for the Mk11 suppressor mount. You can see the wire creates a pair of "pins" that bayonet into the BFA groove on an M16A1, and the wire itself comprises the detent. This would be considered an item that has all the same attributes as the KAC suppressor system (a bore receiving a muzzle attachment, 2 pins comprising "a gate", and a detented retention mechanism): https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1029543894 1972 Colt Industries Patent Blank Adapter I'm not saying the mount isn't a good piece of work for the time in which it was made. Obviously firearms things inspire other firearms things, and that's why KAC has the Institute of Military Technology, showcasing all the items of the past that may have relevance in the future, to inspire something new. Originally Posted By KavonTN: If KAC would service / replace / do anything if my mk11 can got destroyed then I wouldn't be afraid to shoot it. I got one at msrp like five years ago and have put 15 rounds through it on my mk13. If anything happens to it, its irreplaceable. I may pick up one of these just to use as a shooter. As far as I know, Crane put the SR25 cans on the MK13's and that probably involved little or no engineering involvement from KAC. One of the guys I went to sniper school with was in Afghanistan with 19th Group when he had a SR25 can tear through the 3-4 welds on the rear mount on the MK13 (.300 win mag). He e-mailed me and told me that he had the failure at ~45 rounds fired on the new system. He did he say it had a "sweet sound", right up until it catastrophically failed and launched the can downrange. Our MGL-11 is probably 3 or more times stronger than the SR25 suppressor between the material attributes and the circumferential laser welding (3 being on the conservative side of estimations). Given the high value of the cans, your can may have value as a collectable to keep with the MK13, but it may be smart not to fire the MK13 with the SR25 suppressor, at least not without some additional welding to bolster the assembly. If you find a picture of the SR25 EC can for the 16" barrel, you will notice the rear mount was circumferentially welded on for the higher pressure of the 16" .308 barrel. The spot welds probably improved the straightness of the suppressors by reducing the amount of heat put into the joints. Making welded suppressors that are straight is kind of a whore. The CNC laser welding doesn't itself solve the problem but it provides the tools and consistency to make the problem solve-able. |
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This is rad. Well done.
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
So I know you're a SF whore . . . . . |
Originally Posted By Yumago: We should ban PSA for making the M110 clone View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Yumago: Originally Posted By jake2212: This looks like another rip off of Kac products by griffin. Haven’t other people been banned from this forum for ripping off the gate latch cans? We should ban PSA for making the M110 clone There’s an interesting pecking order of feelz. Nobody (hardly) whines about open source Plan B mounts and expansive muzzle devices beyond Query Bombz. People have applauded Spector Cat for publishing their mount spec. Style isn’t usually IP. Griffin has been right (after early ridicule) about many things: 17-4 for durable baffle material, taper mount configurations, innovated with Cam Lok, responded quickly to demand with EZ Lok, is open about their testing approach, constantly refines designs, and has been very resilient with forum culture ebb & flow. Like the tommy gun suppressor mount this fills a niche and deserves coverage so that word gets out into those niches. Not my thing but I can appreciate the craft and perseverance. |
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Originally Posted By KalmanPhilter: There’s an interesting pecking order of feelz. Nobody (hardly) whines about open source Plan B mounts and expansive muzzle devices beyond Query Bombz. People have applauded Spector Cat for publishing their mount spec. Style isn’t usually IP. Griffin has been right (after early ridicule) about many things: 17-4 for durable baffle material, taper mount configurations, innovated with Cam Lok, responded quickly to demand with EZ Lok, is open about their testing approach, constantly refines designs, and has been very resilient with forum culture ebb & flow. Like the tommy gun suppressor mount this fills a niche and deserves coverage so that word gets out into those niches. Not my thing but I can appreciate the craft and perseverance. View Quote All this. |
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Originally Posted By Green0: Thanks. The cans worked out really nicely. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Green0: Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: This is rad. Well done. Thanks. The cans worked out really nicely. Good job on this GreenO. Am looking forward to seeing what some guys post up once their rigs are completed. |
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Originally Posted By Captain92: Good job on this GreenO. Am looking forward to seeing what some guys post up once their rigs are completed. View Quote Thanks we are going to try to post the sound comparison of the other two models tomorrow. We didn't have an M110 can to compare but we did test an M110 with the can at silencer research in December 2008 and it metered 138 muzzle and 142.5 @ right ear with M118LR. The Carbine can was kind of the best all around performer of the bunch in everything except first round flash which was just slightly brighter than the others, with zero flash after the first round. Really surprising. M110 with the MGL-110 took best muzzle SPL, but the MGL-C was oddly in the middle at 136.1DB muzzle. We did zero tuning of these cans. We took our fully developed G2 PSR-7 stack, added one baffle for obtaining original length (also replaced a blast baffle with a 40% thicker aperture blast baffle designed to confront the fact that none of these guns have muzzle brakes), and put our best flash suppressor cap on the cans. The cap is a design we know we lose 2-3DB of sound performance to use, but that performs exceptionally well for muzzle flash. The thicker blast baffle is probably inferior for sound reduction, but we wanted the blast baffle to essentially compete with a muzzle brake for durability. The test in keeping with the concept of a contest was conducted cold- so we never metered their can or our can prior to the shoot. We only shot the one group with each configuration for accuracy/shift. We only fired the flash test one time for each can. In my experience the flash test is something we will do better at if our can is heavily fouled, because the can is all shiny inside when it is new- the surfaces reflect light. We only had 5 rounds on the cans when we did the flash test, with the exception of the MK11 which had 10 rounds on it, due to accuracy / sound, and then flash. The KAC SR25 can had at least 5 rds from the factory, then the 5 round sound test, so maybe they both had 10 rounds fired for the test. |
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Originally Posted By jake2212: This looks like another rip off of Kac products by griffin. Haven’t other people been banned from this forum for ripping off the gate latch cans? View Quote Lmao I remember when they talked shit about us for the OCM5. I had a good chuckle then and had another good one when I saw this. Self awareness level 0. I think it’s fucking awesome though. The market needed it and it’ll be a hit, I’m glad they’re doing it. Just a little consistency would be nice though. |
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“It was interesting how the accuracy of the MK11 compared to the rail gun when we checked the accuracy of the CMP 168 GMM ammo. The MK11 with me behind it was shooting .4MOA worse than the rail gun. Really not a great statement for the ammo.”
How is this a bad statement for the ammo? Aren’t you really testing your skills combined with the MK11 accuracy vs the rail gun? .4moa difference from the rail gun doesn’t sound too bad considering the variables introduced, but I don’t have anything to compare it to. But again, how does this relate to the ammo when it appears to be the one constant? |
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26: KAC is welcome to sue for infringement. Or better yet just buy another machine or two and produce things us lowly peasants want. Until then, the market fills the void View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bradpierson26: KAC is welcome to sue for infringement. Or better yet just buy another machine or two and produce things us lowly peasants want. Until then, the market fills the void They can’t….it wasn’t their idea. KAC got the idea from an expired patent. Originally Posted By Exetik: Didn’t Colt originally design the “gate lock” method of attachment for a blank firing adapter that KAC later “copied” and used? |
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Originally Posted By AndrewKing: Lmao I remember when they talked shit about us for the OCM5. I had a good chuckle then and had another good one when I saw this. Self awareness level 0. I think it’s fucking awesome though. The market needed it and it’ll be a hit, I’m glad they’re doing it. Just a little consistency would be nice though. View Quote Our can was not designed to look like a Knights armament can. That is where there is consistency. We also only brought it because there was zero supply of the can to market. It wasn’t low supply, it was no supply at all. And Im not actually sure the appearance of the KAC can is protected by trade dress, because it is 100% comprised of features that have utility. Like the punched holes that allow the baffles to fit the tube and be fusion spot welded to the tube- those are not a cosmetic feature, although a lot of end users want that look. < they don’t really understand that look is just a byproduct of the manufacturing process. However part of the fun of the project is to do the design work differently to see how the results compare/ work out. |
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Originally Posted By 1168RGR: They can’t….it wasn’t their idea. KAC got the idea from an expired patent. yes, that’s the one. It was marketed to other countries. View Quote Firearms are such an emotional space. The cry for give us cool stuff, is followed by “what the fuck! Why did they bring that cool stuff!” The people imagine design and utility patents that don’t exist. Ive even seen people refer to patents that don’t exist. They imagine protections more obscure even than trade dress. They forget patents expire. But nobody freaks out when a person puts a ruger can on a Bergara 10/22. And nobody cares that Bergara makes a 10/22, or that 5 oufits make a glock and every other company has a Glock derived pistol model at this point. I heard a story once about Eugene Stoner pointing at the bolt in the Aug and shaking his head, but that was actually Melvin Johnson’s bolt lug design, before it was associated to Armalite, and Johnson was on the design team for the AR15, but he did that lug design in the 30’s, 39 years before the AUG. Thats how emotional this stuff gets. |
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After having a chance to watch your video I'll try one out so put me down for a mk11 one. Do you have a date set? I didn't see it on the website. Or a notify me button for that matter.
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''Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.''
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Will be buying one for sure. I’ll have the LGS on the lookout to get one on order for me.
This is amazing! |
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Originally Posted By Green0: And nobody cares that Bergara makes a 10/22, or that 5 oufits make a glock and every other company has a Glock derived pistol model at this point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Green0: Originally Posted By 1168RGR: They can't .it wasn't their idea. KAC got the idea from an expired patent. yes, that's the one. It was marketed to other countries. And nobody cares that Bergara makes a 10/22, or that 5 oufits make a glock and every other company has a Glock derived pistol model at this point. In other words, rock on and I think it's very cool seeing a way for guys to get into this otherwise cost-prohibitive, zero-new-supply suppressor system. |
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Originally Posted By KavonTN: After having a chance to watch your video I'll try one out so put me down for a mk11 one. Do you have a date set? I didn't see it on the website. Or a notify me button for that matter. View Quote We transfer units for to your door sales, and we have 10 of each model and color going in there in a few days to a week. A dealer e-mail will go out, but you could potentially send an e-mail to sales to try to reserve a unit. I heard a sales person say MGL-110's sold out this morning. The other two models haven't sold through yet, so that implies some MGL-11's are still available (I believe ~25 of each). We will try to get them back in production, but demand for cans across the line is stupidly high right now so we're hiring additional machinists to improve output across the 3 shifts. I also noticed the sound in the video we posted had the adobe project video audio streams for both the cans ~6DB higher than the unsuppressed gun audio (not the sound test results from HBK/AHAAH, but the video audio people would be listening to as they watch the video). We were comprising the Sound Test specific videos this afternoon to post the MGL-110/MGL-C and also the MGL-11/SR-25 overview and comparisons respectively, and I realized that doesn't really convey the audio performance properly, as the ability of videography microphones to pick up unsuppressed audio is already impaired vs suppressed audio. I believe the video editor was doing this thing video editing people try to do which is "sort of normalizing volume levels" across the composition which is considered a best practice for youtube video, but does nothing positive for conveyance of the experience. |
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Originally Posted By Green0: We transfer units for to your door sales, and we have 10 of each model and color going in there in a few days to a week. A dealer e-mail will go out, but you could potentially send an e-mail to sales to try to reserve a unit. I heard a sales person say MGL-110's sold out this morning. The other two models haven't sold through yet, so that implies some MGL-11's are still available (I believe ~25 of each). We will try to get them back in production, but demand for cans across the line is stupidly high right now so we're hiring additional machinists to improve output across the 3 shifts. I also noticed the sound in the video we posted had the adobe project video audio streams for both the cans ~6DB higher than the unsuppressed gun audio (not the sound test results from HBK/AHAAH, but the video audio people would be listening to as they watch the video). We were comprising the Sound Test specific videos this afternoon to post the MGL-110/MGL-C and also the MGL-11/SR-25 overview and comparisons respectively, and I realized that doesn't really convey the audio performance properly, as the ability of videography microphones to pick up unsuppressed audio is already impaired vs suppressed audio. I believe the video editor was doing this thing video editing people try to do which is "sort of normalizing volume levels" across the composition which is considered a best practice for youtube video, but does nothing positive for conveyance of the experience. View Quote So many emotions reading through this thread, lol. I'm beyond excited for the release of the MGL line up... But my heart dropped when reading that all of the MGL-110's are sold out. I tried to reserve 2 units but no luck. I |
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What a bummer I just bought an M110 upper yesterday so I could buy this can!! I really hope production on the MGL-110's ramps up so I can own one!!!
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Originally Posted By Cdwadleigh: What a bummer I just bought an M110 upper yesterday so I could buy this can!! I really hope production on the MGL-110's ramps up so I can own one!!! View Quote @tracer_bullet @Cdwadleigh That was miss-communicated to me by sales. They said they were sold out, but 20 were allocated to to your door. That release hasn't occurred so there are 20 floating - 10 in each color. Those are technically not sold, and the sales people really meant they were all allocated or spoken for. |
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I emailed sales about getting one of the to your door ones and they said to sign up for the newsletter. They would announce the release there.
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