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Posted: 8/27/2012 9:15:27 AM EDT
Anyone know anything about these?
Not listed on their website yet, but it is in their 2012 .pdf catalog. I spoke with the owner, Chris, a few weeks ago via email and he mentioned they should be ready soon. Just wondering if anyone had seen them in person or had any input on them. |
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Not sure, he quoted me around $2K for the housing with PVS-14 optics. They have a PVS-14 and an ANVIS lens version.
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What do you guys think, when will these be available in numbers?
and when will the kinks be worked out so you can buy one without seeing 2 months later that they now ship with a better battery cap or something like that (e.g. BNVD) ? |
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Not sure, he quoted me around $2K for the housing with PVS-14 optics. They have a PVS-14 and an ANVIS lens version. Do they have a version that takes PVS-14 tubes? Or just the optics? |
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I have received some info and pictures from the guys at Adams Industries... I am anxiously waiting to here a firm price, I have a complete ANVIS setup that would swap right into this great looking housing!
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Not sure, he quoted me around $2K for the housing with PVS-14 optics. They have a PVS-14 and an ANVIS lens version. The price includes the optical assemblies? Or the price is for the version that takes PVS14 optics? If $2K is for the housing and optics that's a screaming deal considering you can't find BNVD housings for sale and the PVS-15s (I've heard) run $4K+. Quoted:
I have received some info and pictures from the guys at Adams Industries... I am anxiously waiting to here a firm price, I have a complete ANVIS setup that would swap right into this great looking housing! Could you post those pictures? Do these accept an external battery pack like the PVS-23s? I couldn't tell from the mockup in the catalog. |
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If they can make these more affordable than current dual bino systems complete with tubes and in a Kit (no tubes) for do-it-yourself type folks like me I think they could sale a ton of them! I mean like own the commerical market for a dual Bino system ton of them. Last time I priced a PVS-15 kit it was like $4000. I know you have twice the optics and so on to affect price, but when you can buy two complete PVS-14 housing for less than $2000 or three PVS-14 housing for less than $3000????
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Not sure, he quoted me around $2K for the housing with PVS-14 optics. They have a PVS-14 and an ANVIS lens version. The price includes the optical assemblies? Or the price is for the version that takes PVS14 optics? If $2K is for the housing and optics that's a screaming deal considering you can't find BNVD housings for sale and the PVS-15s (I've heard) run $4K+. $2K was for the housing with PVS-14 optics. The ANVIS version without optics was going to be around $1500. Now I have to decide whether to get the PVS-14 version, or get the ANVIS version and strip the optics off of my NVM-2AA and pick up another set of lenses from ABnightvision. I'd like to see pics of the final version of the Sentinel. When I spoke to them last, they had just made some changes and didn't have any current pics. ETA: Those prices were 2 months ago, so they very likely could have changed with the new revisions |
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I will post pics as soon as I talk to them and get permission... I don't want to release anything to the public domain without their permission!
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Not sure, he quoted me around $2K for the housing with PVS-14 optics. They have a PVS-14 and an ANVIS lens version. The price includes the optical assemblies? Or the price is for the version that takes PVS14 optics? If $2K is for the housing and optics that's a screaming deal considering you can't find BNVD housings for sale and the PVS-15s (I've heard) run $4K+. $2K was for the housing with PVS-14 optics. The ANVIS version without optics was going to be around $1500. Now I have to decide whether to get the PVS-14 version, or get the ANVIS version and strip the optics off of my NVM-2AA and pick up another set of lenses from ABnightvision. I'd like to see pics of the final version of the Sentinel. When I spoke to them last, they had just made some changes and didn't have any current pics. ETA: Those prices were 2 months ago, so they very likely could have changed with the new revisions I'm assuming based off the catalog they use MX10160 tubes. Would be nice if there was a MX-11769 tube variant so those with dual PVS-14s could upgrade the housing. |
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I got the green light to post the pictures, both the ANVIS plunger style mount and the dovetail style mount are shown. http://imageshack.us/a/img651/6605/adamsindustriessentinel.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img703/6605/adamsindustriessentinel.jpg Wonder if TNVC will be carrying these? |
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I got the green light to post the pictures, both the ANVIS plunger style mount and the dovetail style mount are shown. http://imageshack.us/a/img651/6605/adamsindustriessentinel.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img703/6605/adamsindustriessentinel.jpg Wonder if TNVC will be carrying these? Of course. |
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I got the green light to post the pictures, both the ANVIS plunger style mount and the dovetail style mount are shown. http://imageshack.us/a/img651/6605/adamsindustriessentinel.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img703/6605/adamsindustriessentinel.jpg Wonder if TNVC will be carrying these? Of course. Cool. Did you get my IM? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I got the green light to post the pictures, both the ANVIS plunger style mount and the dovetail style mount are shown. http://imageshack.us/a/img651/6605/adamsindustriessentinel.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img703/6605/adamsindustriessentinel.jpg Wonder if TNVC will be carrying these? Of course. |
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I got the green light to post the pictures, both the ANVIS plunger style mount and the dovetail style mount are shown. http://imageshack.us/a/img651/6605/adamsindustriessentinel.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img703/6605/adamsindustriessentinel.jpg Wonder if TNVC will be carrying these? Of course. Don't you ALREADY have a high end set of dual NODS Now, how does one come across decent, but less expensive MX10160 tubes? |
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DAYUM the tan / dovetail version looks nice
now, who's gonna buy my two BNVD-housings so I can start to fund this project...what would be a realistic asking price for a BNVD w/o tubes, non-variable gain version? |
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DAYUM the tan / dovetail version looks nice now, who's gonna buy my two BNVD-housings so I can start to fund this project...what would be a realistic asking price for a BNVD w/o tubes, non-variable gain version? Out of curiosity, why would you choose these over the BNVD? |
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well, I might have gotten carried away a little bit...
I'll wait for a review of the Sentinel, of course. it looks like the lateral distance between the tube bodies is adjusted with a little knob on the sides of the "shelf" just like the AVS6/9, I like that a lot. never use the BNVD with one side flipped up, anyways... I like that adjustment, I like the color, AND I think I read the Sentinel is made from aluminum? I'm really interested in hearing about how that turns out! |
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Quoted: Don't you ALREADY have a high end set of dual NODS Yes, but two is one.....
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Don't you ALREADY have a high end set of dual NODS Yes, but two is one..... And in my case, none is none... |
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That tan one does look nice!
I've got 2 perfect tubes sitting here waiting for a home. |
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$10k? I can only imagine that cost would be dependent on the tubes you put in them. The housing can't cost more than a couple thousand at most if you take a look at similar googles, but depending on what tubes you put in it that's gonna be the biggest factor. A couple aviation-spec tubes are gonna run you some change, or you could spend $900 each on some spotty non-catalog spec tubes and have an ok set of goggles for putzing around for 4 grand. |
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No update from my side... I would assume they are toughing out 'Death Storm 2012' at the moment!
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I emailed today they are getting real close to release still testing to make sure everything is perfect. There's several cool goggles on the market one thing I really like about these is not only the design but the fact Adams NV as a company is very interested in making them available for home builders as well. The Sentinel can be used to upgrade wore out ANVIS systems or just simply a upgrade to a stronger ground style housing, if you have tubes already you can just buy the housing, or you can buy a complete system With new tubes your choice. That may sound simple but it's choices not available for many dual tube systems or atleast at a realistic price.
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I emailed today they are getting real close to release still testing to make sure everything is perfect. There's several cool goggles on the market one thing I really like about these is not only the design but the fact Adams NV as a company is very interested in making them available for home builders as well. The Sentinel can be used to upgrade wore out ANVIS systems or just simply a upgrade to a stronger ground style housing, if you have tubes already you can just buy the housing, or you can buy a complete system With new tubes your choice. That may sound simple but it's choices not available for many dual tube systems or a least at a realistic price. +1 I've spoken with Chris, the President of Adams Industries, a few times via email and he's been great about answering my questions and dealing with me bugging him about when they'll be available. I'm really excited to get my hands on one of these housings, hopefully not much longer to go. |
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We've been working with these for awhile and Clasky posted a great review on these about a week back and what we can now talk about...
Guys, I have been running a prototype model of these goggles. They are a joint effort between Adams Industries and Summit. I've been in contact with both companies concerning feedback. A few small changes have yet to be made to the system in accordance with operational feedback, but overall we are looking at a solid unit.
The Sentinel/BNVS was developed to compete for the most recent solicitation for a dual tube goggle. The competition was probably more for show since the winner was a foregone conclusion. L3 took the prize with their new BNVD, which is surprisingly similar to the NV Depot BNVD(G) that we have been selling for a while. I won't get into the politics of this whole thing because it doesn't matter. While the Sentinel/BNVS might have lost the bid, the commercial and LE market are going to be the true winners. This is a very nice system and will be very attractively priced. As the OP mentioned, the system is going to be made available minus tubes, so you can be sure that we are going to be offering different tiers with the same tubes found in our wildly successful TNV/PVS-14's. So, let's look at the Sentinel/BNVS. At first glance, they appear very similar to the AN/PVS-23 (F5050) Goggle. They share some features: -On-Board or Remote Power Capable -Bridge Adjustment for Inter-pupilary adjustment -Objective and Diopter focal adjustment But, that is where the similarities end. Anyone who has ever run ANVIS-9, AN/AVS-6, or AN/PVS-23's will tell you that they seem... fragile. While they are pretty tough, the fact that the tube housings wiggle and rattle around under the bridge is somewhat disconcerting. But hey, if they work, they work, right? Well, the Sentinel/BNVS is solid. That is the first impression you will get when holding these things. There is no wobble in the tube housing/bridge connection. This is a big confidence-builder in the construction of the system. The Inter-pupilary adjustment in the bridge is smooth and mechanical. Nothing feels loose at all. The housing is machined from Delrin Polymer, a super dense thermoplastic known for durability and precision. This is the same material used in the popular BNVD(G)'s. It is solid and hefty. The whole unit feels like you could cave someone's skull in with the goggle if you had to (But, I don't condone such behavior...). While the main tube housings and bridge assembly are Delrin, the objective lens assemblies and diopter assemblies are straight up PVS-14. So, these goggles are much more easily field-repaired than their ANVIS or AN/PVS-15 counterparts. In fact, field and armorer support for the PVS-15 is a big problem in the SOF community. The Sentinel features a dual stage integrated IR illuminator for high/low power. activation of the illuminator is the same as legacy systems with just one more click for the dual power. I found the illuminators useful because I can get both SSE and engagement ranges out of it. Normally, the built-in illuminators in goggles are only good out to about 15 yards or so. This is on purpose since the point is to provide IR illum for SSE (Sensitive Site Exploitation). Basically, after your team has killed all the bad guys at the target location, you can use the illuminator to help in covert searches for intel. It's useful, but doesn't help a brother out when he's trying to illuminate something at 75 yards. The high power setting on the Sentinel illuminator solves this. The reason I am happy about this feature is because it helps to streamline my kit. One of the ubiquitous items you will find on any of my helmets is a Surefire M1 Illuminator. It gives me the IR light I need to illuminate things within identification range of the goggle. So, it's one less thing I need hanging off my helmet. Sweet. Another nice little detail is the rear plate of the bridge is metal. This is significant since the lanyard/ stabilization bungee attachment loops are part of this piece. It's a small detail, but it's nice that they paid attention to the need for extra strength in this area. And, it's the little things that matter. But, sometimes, the big details are way cooler. For instance: how about a quick-change mount interface? Yeah, that's a new trick. The Sentinel can be run from an on-board single 123 battery or remotely from a helmet-mounted battery pack. The onboard option gives operators the ability to hook the goggle up to a standard dovetail style mount. This is a low-profile setup that allows the goggle to work like an AN/PVS-15. But, lets say you're feeling saucy and want to dress it up with a remote battery option for a night on the town. A quick removal of four hex head machine screws and you can swap in the ball-detent module. Now, you can run the goggle off a remote pack via a standard ANVIS mount or the excellent Adams Industries Surface ANVIS Mount (SAM). I much prefer this setup since the remote power pack runs the goggles longer and acts as a counterweight. The ball detent module is pretty slick. It features an integrated fore/aft and tilt adjustment, something not found in most ball detent setups. The tilt adjustment is done by loosening a thumbscrew on the front to allow for pivot. Once the desired angle is found, simply tighten the thumb screw back down. I found that this piece tended to come lose while running. I brought this up to Adams and Summit and was told that a lock washer would be added in the final production model. Also, the thumbscrew is a bit small and hard to gain purchase while wearing gloves. This, too, is going to be changed. I brought this system with me to the Walking Dead Multi-Gun Shoot outside of Dallas last weekend. I ran it for a while and gave the competitors a chance to run it too. It performed flawlessly. Although Big Army turned the Sentinel down, it has been shown to a very high speed federal LE team who loved it and will most likely be equipping their operators with it. I too, am very impressed with this goggle and am looking forward to offering it. We are currently awaiting the final refinements to be implemented. As soon as it is ready to go, we will have it for sale. Sit tight. |
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Oh man, you just HAD to dangle this in front of me
The ability to buy though... ETA: You guys have any picture of it? |
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Missed this thread the first time around.
May be a dumb question, but I have never done a DIY NVD project...would I need two "donor" PVS14s to make this happen? I have one so far... |
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It really depends which type tubes these systems will use. Reading the media it appears they will come in MX10160 and MX11769(varibale gain) tube formats if that is true than yes two PVS-14 tubes would work in this bino.
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Courtesy of Dean over at Summit night vision http://i.imgur.com/dAXU0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Sbj2R.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IS9RZ.jpg Hold me |
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Damm those do look real nice <><><><> This will cost me some money!
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Quoted: Quoted: Courtesy of Dean over at Summit night vision http://i.imgur.com/dAXU0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Sbj2R.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IS9RZ.jpg Hold me |
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I'd really like to see this model sold w/o PVS-14 optics and tubes for us who have the parts already on-hand. What are the chances, ya think?
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High We'll have to get together and have a little Iowa NVG Shoot here soon to try them out!
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I'd really like to see this model sold w/o PVS-14 optics and tubes for us who have the parts already on-hand. What are the chances, ya think? So are they selling 2 versions? One that takes ANVIS tubes and one that takes PVS-14 tubes? |
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So are they selling 2 versions? One that takes ANVIS tubes and one that takes PVS-14 tubes? The .pdf brochure from Summit does list manual gain control as an option. They seem to have everything covered as far as being adaptable for whatever a builder might want or already have on hand. Auto/manual gain control, PVS-14/ANVIS objectives, dovetail/ball-plunger mount. These things are awesome! |
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Quoted: .pdf for those too lazy to search for it.Quoted: So are they selling 2 versions? One that takes ANVIS tubes and one that takes PVS-14 tubes? The .pdf brochure from Summit does list manual gain control as an option. They seem to have everything covered as far as being adaptable for whatever a builder might want or already have on hand. Auto/manual gain control, PVS-14/ANVIS objectives, dovetail/ball-plunger mount. These things are awesome! |
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High We'll have to get together and have a little Iowa NVG Shoot here soon to try them out! i better be in the loop when these show up.... |
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