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Posted: 4/23/2007 6:10:35 AM EDT
[#1]
Yes, a thread was started awhile back about this....I've been trying to get ahold of these folk since they are close to my office to take a peek at their "better than Gen 3" claims. Still no one will return my calls. You would think since they are spending THOUSANDS on advertising they would be very happy to demo a unit here and there.
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Posted: 4/23/2007 6:21:44 AM EDT
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OK...I did get a hold of these folk again this morning again....I am suppose to get a demo unit in 2-3 weeks! The units are basically a hand held CCD unit. They are only hand held versions now. A weapon mounted or helmet mounted mococular is planned but there is no time frame on this. The units will be sold only to store fronts and some E-commerce. We shall see.... Hope this helps.
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Posted: 4/25/2007 4:38:46 PM EDT
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Vic,
Thanks for doing the footwork. I am suspicious of the claims of better than Gen 3 - and no actual sample pictures. The pictures that are presented are just the normal photoshopped versions that some sellers of Gen1 NVG use - not at all true to life...i can walk around with green sunglasses too lol.  Would greatly appreciate REAL sample pics. - its a lotta money to plunk down on photoshopped pictures and they ought to know better. Wonder if they tell you what the burn out time is for that CCD... Again, Thanks Vic!!! |
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Posted: 4/25/2007 6:42:17 PM EDT
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Your welcome, and rest assured once I get the unit I will be taking the unit out and putting it side-by-side with a Gen 3 Select A (hand select) PVS-14 for comparisons. This should be very interesting.
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Posted: 4/26/2007 6:02:26 AM EDT
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I look forward to the review I think we all know it will not be out performing high end gen 3 in low light conditions but I am sure if it works well enough it will have a place in the market. I have played with the NiteMax,weaver nightview, and just had a chance to check out the new bushnell stealthview all digital units. The Weaver would not see 30 yards on a dark night at my farm, but the Nitemax and Bushnell Stealth view did have good range maybe 100 yards which is how far the IR would shine I now thats nothing on high end SHP or gen 3 stuff,but I still find it fun to play with and for alot of folks they would be amazed they could even see in the dark at 100 yards.Also the price point is very low. I am sure as the low like camera tech get's better we will start to see some better units on the market that may become a good choice for the commerical market. When I go out to look around I normally perfer to use IR even with my Select A gen 3 stuff it just makes the image cleaner so acitve IR is as no concern I have yet to have a Raccon or pig shoot back at my IR light.IF I was military or a cop I would pick a passive system for sure. also there are some nice things to the digital Nv such as No worry about bright lights halo or even daylight damage. The bad points is all three units I have seen you better buy rechargeable batteries they ate good batteries like candy. My buddies Stealthview goes through a set of duracell AA's in around 1.5hrs of use. 2500mah rechargeables last about 3 hrs. So far I like the bushnell Stealthview the best of the digital units I have seen but feel it still needs some work with better battery life and the IR cast a dark shadow in the image from the IR element.
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Posted: 4/26/2007 6:15:08 AM EDT
[#6]
ost.
curious about this company as well. |
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Posted: 4/27/2007 2:18:48 PM EDT
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Tagged.
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Posted: 5/5/2007 8:00:00 AM EDT
[#8]
Any updates yet???
AC 
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Posted: 5/5/2007 8:00:35 AM EDT
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What he said. |
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Posted: 5/5/2007 8:54:53 AM EDT
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STILL awaiting my demo unit....They did say 2-3 weeks. I'll keep on top of it.
Vic |
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Posted: 5/5/2007 9:12:48 AM EDT
[#11]
Is it a back illuminated CCD? If so, it will meet the claims.
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Posted: 5/5/2007 9:43:53 AM EDT
[#12]
Do you have any side by side pics I can see compared with a Gen 3 unit? |
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Posted: 5/5/2007 7:53:57 PM EDT
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Hello A very brief perusal of google shows these things to be WAY more expensive than the xenonics $1400.00 end item price. I have never even heard of a back illuminated CCD. I had to look it up. Please tell us more. IPSC_GUY SIERRA II ALPHA |
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Posted: 5/6/2007 3:43:22 PM EDT
[#14]
Okay either it's gonna revolutionize NOD's or they're gonna get owned in every way possible!
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Posted: 5/7/2007 5:01:19 PM EDT
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The FAQ about it
http://www.xenonics.com/SuperVisionFAQs.asp says, "Range of Focus 20 feet to infinity" A 20 foot minimum focus seems like a serious limitation to me! (Or am I missing something?) |
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Posted: 5/7/2007 6:58:13 PM EDT
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That is pretty bad considering a PVS 14 has a range of focus from like 6 inches to infinity. That right there would be a deal breaker for me as any kind of a monocular used in the pocket scope role needs to be able to "see" closer than 20 BLOODY feet. IPSC_GUY SIERRA II ALPHA |
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Posted: 5/7/2007 7:15:27 PM EDT
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You'd need at least 5 or 6 feet just so you can see the ground you're stepping on. |
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Posted: 5/9/2007 10:02:45 AM EDT
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It`s a glorified Sony nightshot type of technology, that uses time exposure to enhance the image by reducing the frame rate, in other words, instead of 30 frames per second, you only get 5 frames per second, and the micro-processor makes a composite of the other 5 frames that would have occured in that time frame, like leaving the shutter open longer in a regular camera. my Sony digital camcorder has this same feature, it has the regular "nightshot" setting, and the "super nightshot" setting, whitch is much brighter, but the video is choppy, My Sony cost $350.00 new, and it records video and has a 25x optical zoom! with a 1.5 millon candlepower spotlight with a glass military IR filter, I can see a mouse at 100yds. This thing is not backlit ccd tech, check out toshiba`s "IK-100A" (http://news.thomasnet.com/mobile/m-fullstory.html?category=3193&prid=469377) if you want to see that, it really is impressive, but not cheap! Xenonics is putting lipstick on a pig for the purpose of pumping their stock, if you ask me. here is a link to the patent: http://www.google.com/patents?id=J9h-AAAAEBAJ&dq=xenonics
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Posted: 5/12/2007 5:29:39 AM EDT
[#19]
BTT for an update...
AC |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 10:41:48 PM EDT
[#20]
tag for later
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Posted: 5/15/2007 5:36:26 PM EDT
[#21]
bump ...want to see a review
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Posted: 5/21/2007 3:07:20 PM EDT
[#22]
Update:
Sent another email to the CS rep and a phone call. It's closing on 4 weeks since I last spoke with them when they stated I should have something in 2-3 weeks. Will advise. Vic |
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Posted: 5/22/2007 5:48:04 AM EDT
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thanks for the update Victor,
the longer this runs out, the more skeptical Im getting, thing I have found when company reps, stall and stall, they never deliver anyone want to start placing bets that this company just drops off the face of the earth before the end of the yr  I `ll also bet its a deal to sucker people in on their stocks, pump it up, grab the money and run, now we watch, 
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Posted: 5/22/2007 7:00:03 AM EDT
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The latest I received after my inquiry yesterday....
"We apologize for the ongoing delay. We have had overwhelming demand for this new product and are in a back-logged situation with our sales orders. We are still holding your request and will contact you just as soon as we are ready to go forward with demo units." |
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Posted: 5/22/2007 5:50:57 PM EDT
[#25]
I just got some further news from an "inside" source. It seems Xenonics has not supplied ANY units even to their manufacturing rep thus far! This manufacturing rep is the same one Surefire uses as well! As far as sales orders, NONE have even been released for sale....
Edited to add....Cooter you got me thinking you might say, I told you all so! 
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Posted: 5/22/2007 6:43:39 PM EDT
[#26]
Backlogged on their sales orders sounds like another way of saying we havent sold a single unit yet. |
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Posted: 6/8/2007 4:33:10 AM EDT
[#27]
Any updates on this?
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Posted: 6/8/2007 5:52:03 AM EDT
[#28]
I have a meeting with the President of Supervision next week where I will be getting a tour of their factory and will spend some time that evening with their monocular comparing it to some of my Gen 3 gear. Hope this helps.
Vic |
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Posted: 6/8/2007 6:05:28 PM EDT
[#29]
Awesome. Are you planning to post an update to this thread after that meeting? Would love to hear your thoughts...
Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/9/2007 5:38:27 AM EDT
[#30]
Great news, Victor! Keep us udated. :) AC |
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Posted: 6/9/2007 5:40:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/9/2007 5:49:25 AM EDT
[#32]
You bet, hope to have some pics as well! |
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Posted: 6/13/2007 12:47:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/13/2007 3:12:57 PM EDT
[#34]
"Patience my young Jedi.".... Tomorrow! 
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Posted: 6/14/2007 3:14:37 PM EDT
[#35]
Master Victor,
May I have another...............................................update on the Supervison!!! AC |
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Posted: 6/15/2007 6:34:45 AM EDT
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It was a late night last night coming home from Xenonics last night.  More to come..... |
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Posted: 6/15/2007 9:25:21 AM EDT
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Yup, and even then you still bust your ass occasionally when you are out stomping through the woods with tunnel vision.
Can't wait to see this one. 
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Posted: 6/15/2007 8:00:49 PM EDT
[#38]
bump REVIEW!!!!!!! lol
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Posted: 6/16/2007 7:48:16 AM EDT
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Hello all, I will probably start another thread and might break the review into 3 parts. BUT, here is a start of my initial impressions. MUCH more looks and pics coming as I play with the unit a bit more.
As most know this is a CCD digital hand held monocular. In urban areas thus far the unit performed well with very minor blooming effects in high light urban areas. To dispel the rumors right here and now, the unit cannot see well in very dark environments and must have an IR illuminator of some sort to see in these situations. This is not NV intensifier tube technology! Funny thing to note is da variable torch bolted up perfect to the Supervison!  The folks at Xenonics were pretty amazed with the performance of da torch and the initial fit! The unit has a 2x-8x digital zoom and 3 gain modes via armored rubber pressure pads on top of the unit. (Normal, Darker, and Lighter mode settings). The units takes 2-3 seconds after each setting change for the units digital signal processor to reconfigure the systems for adjustments that were made. Range of focus is 20ft to infinity so walking with the unit while navigating is difficult as you can imagine. The FOV is 525 feet at 1000 yards.The unit is powered by the use of a single rechargeable Lithium Ion Battery. I am told the unit has a 2 hour continuous use. It takes approx. 3 hours to charge the batts. A CR123 version is planned in the very near future. As stated above, more to come as I test the unit, I just wanted to throw out my initial impressions. 
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Posted: 6/16/2007 1:33:37 PM EDT
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interesting, basicly a active IR unit,
but can work in a lit up area with out needing the IR as past IR units have been, well that is a somewhat of a advancement, if anyone has played with the old IR units PAS4 or M3, now to see how well this stuff works in the field,
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Posted: 6/16/2007 6:52:35 PM EDT
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So... Less "super low light" capability, mainly useful in active mode, larger, minimum focus distance of 20 feet, around 1/20th the battery life (w/ some rechargable) of say a pvs-14. So far it sounds like a winner (read weaner) to me. Will await Vic's great judgement of it before truly bashing it. Honestly, I do wish this technology well considering what an advancement it would be, just don't think it's here yet. Eagerly awaiting it's review...
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Posted: 6/17/2007 7:35:44 PM EDT
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The battery life alone makes this thing WORTHLESS. Coupled with the fact it HAS to run with active illumination in anything but well lit up urban areas? Dig out your sony handicam and strap on a bright IR light. $1200 or so saved toward decent I2 of any flavor is money, much better applied to seeing in the dark. This thing will prove to be a passing fancy at best. It will never amount to a serious "tool" for any serious practitioners, i.e. Law Enforcment, Security or Millitary. IPSC_GUY SIERRA II ALPHA |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 3:58:44 AM EDT
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I don't see the lack of battery life being a problem at all, just carry a solar-powered charger along with you....oh wait, those don't work in the dark either.
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Posted: 6/18/2007 7:39:34 AM EDT
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This thing sees high detail at 1000', go to the XNN web site and look at the comparison, its pretty dramatic. I think the battery run time will be solved with a remote battery pack or higher tech batteries, I may be buying one soon. $1400 or $3300?
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Posted: 6/18/2007 9:45:50 AM EDT
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You're kidding, right? I dont think that I'll trust the manufacturer's claims unless they can be validated by Victor or another trusted source. Just so much smoke, mirrors, and brags is all I have seen . This unit so far sounds like an improvement on the digital Weavers that were so highly touted but it appears to be far far from PVS-14/MUM ability. |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 10:40:22 AM EDT
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SuperVision is one hundred times more powerfull than the weaver system ( weaver .03 lux, SV .0003 lux), Iv'e been doing alot of research on this subject. And with the weaver you get a choice of 3 colored filters ( this is a toy), Check out there web site and give me your opinion, they have some interesting vids. For my money and applications a high performance units at $1400, + you can get a NRA life time membership with the unit, Im on the egde of buying one, give me a choice to look at thats comperable, thanks.
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Posted: 6/18/2007 10:59:02 AM EDT
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Again, I'm awaiting on Victor's review/pics(hopefully) before I form an opinion on whether or not this is an overpriced toy. I'd advise you do the same before sending any money. |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 11:06:32 AM EDT
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You are "pushing on a slack rope" a bit in this particular forum. Rather than relying on what some website says, maybe try and actually use one of the units which this is so much better than in the field. Try reading a map with a minimum focus distance of 20', or physically navigating through an obstruction laden course, for that matter. You might also want to have someone point an IR illuminator at you while viewing through a real Gen III, and see what the signature of the "super" is. Most of the folks that I know are NRA Life or Benefactor level folks anyway; that is a ploy on the marketeers part, arguably a good one for the uninformed. You ask for a choice of what is comparable, and I would say there are none....real stuff costs real $$$. |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 11:51:29 AM EDT
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