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Posted: 9/3/2014 9:16:03 PM EDT
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Ruger 10/22 Takedown with threaded barrel.
Throw an AGP folding stock on it. I have one just like this, different sights though. 
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Posted: 9/3/2014 9:23:54 PM EDT
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10/22. Parts are everywhere.
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Posted: 9/3/2014 11:18:09 PM EDT
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does a 1022 cycle subsonic reliably?
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Posted: 9/4/2014 12:24:43 AM EDT
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OK, I'm looking for a compact .22, preferably autoloader, compact and probably with a folding stock. preferably already threaded for a suppressor, and capable of cycling subsonic rounds. I'm looking for something that will go in a backpack which will be tied down inside of a kayak. Does such a thing exist or is this a unicorn? http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRimfire/specSheets/8305.html |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 9:19:22 AM EDT
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does a 1022 cycle subsonic reliably? Zero issues |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 9:21:58 AM EDT
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10/22. Parts are everywhere. This |
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Posted: 9/4/2014 9:38:28 AM EDT
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does a 1022 cycle subsonic reliably? It depends on the ammo - If we are talking Std. velocity ammo, all of my 10/22's do very well with them. If you are talking about the REALLY low velocity stuff (CCI Quiet-22 for example), most semi-autos will not function properly. I will vote for the Ruger 10/22 TDT - it is a compact take-down, that comes with it's own carry bag. In my carry bag I have the rifle, 1 10-shot magazine, and 4 25-shot magazines, a Ruger Mk-II pistol w/5 10-shot magazines, and a Ka-Bar TDI knife. This still leaves me a large pocket to fill with other "stuff" as needed. It's a very handy package. Here is mine - it has a Williams "Ace in the Hole" sight set... 
Here is the rifle - pistol - suppressor (optional) 
Good luck, Bob S. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:47:35 AM EDT
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Cci standard velocity runs sub sonic (1070fps rating) and will run my 10/22 all day. I find it kind of funny not too long ago people ( except serious target shooters) poo pooed standard velocity and everyone wanted high ( which all the typical bulk pack junk is) now the exact same performing ammo called sub sonic is the hot popular thing.
The two best take down compact semi autos are the ubiquitous 10/22 take down ( these are a snap literally to assemble and bring into action) and the less common marlin papoose which is a bit more time to go from broke down to assembled but both are excellent. I have heard too many variable reports ( and a lot of bad reports) on the ar-7 platform to recommend it. In non semi auto I have a Springfield m6 scout which is 22 over 410 folding gun which I like. These are out of production and hard to find today and fairly expensive. Savage has brought out an updated version of the double barrel survival gun which is an option as well |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 10:40:41 PM EDT
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Stainless 10-22 TD.
Have the barrel cut back , front sight re mounted and muzzle threaded, dump it in an AGP stock and enjoy it for the next 50 or 60 years. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 9:07:56 AM EDT
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The Marlin 70P, and 70PSS, are another option. They do not come with threaded barrels, but the barrels come off easily and can be sent off to be threaded no problem. They take a little more time to break down compared to the Ruger TD, but break down into a smaller/lighter package.
Having said that, since purchasing a Ruger 10-22TD, the Marlin does not get as much use. The Ruger is a more solid rifle, and you can upgrade any part on it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 1:03:31 PM EDT
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does a 1022 cycle subsonic reliably? Both of mine do. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 8:26:25 PM EDT
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Stainless 10-22 TD. Have the barrel cut back , front sight re mounted and muzzle threaded, dump it in an AGP stock and enjoy it for the next 50 or 60 years. Why not buy one like that from the factory? Mine is stainless, 16", threaded, and camo! Mine runs like a top with standard velocity. I use high velocity solids for hunting. 
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Posted: 9/7/2014 1:08:22 AM EDT
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Why not buy one like that from the factory? Mine is stainless, 16", threaded, and camo! Mine runs like a top with standard velocity. I use high velocity solids for hunting. <a href="http://s75.photobucket.com/user/batmanacw/media/firearms/20130929_201408_zps291bbf2d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/batmanacw/firearms/20130929_201408_zps291bbf2d.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stainless 10-22 TD. Have the barrel cut back , front sight re mounted and muzzle threaded, what batmanacw said, dump it in an AGP stock and enjoy it for the next 50 or 60 years. Why not buy one like that from the factory? Mine is stainless, 16", threaded, and camo! Mine runs like a top with standard velocity. I use high velocity solids for hunting. <a href="http://s75.photobucket.com/user/batmanacw/media/firearms/20130929_201408_zps291bbf2d.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/batmanacw/firearms/20130929_201408_zps291bbf2d.jpg</a> Thanks man 
Hey O.P. , see the update 
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Posted: 9/7/2014 2:34:15 AM EDT
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Ruger 10/22 Takedown with threaded barrel. Throw an AGP folding stock on it. I have one just like this, different sights though. http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/09/24/577622_01_fs_ft_ruger_10_22_takedown_wit_640.jpg That's the first time I've seen that set up. A folding stock with a takedown barrel...the perfect "survival" rifle. I gotta have one! |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 1:40:18 PM EDT
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Ruger 10/22 Takedown with threaded barrel. Throw an AGP folding stock on it. I have one just like this, different sights though. http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/09/24/577622_01_fs_ft_ruger_10_22_takedown_wit_640.jpg Very interesting |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 1:35:37 AM EDT
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O.P.
It's just about impossible to beat the 10-22 overall. They work every time, they last for generations and have been in continuous production for 50 years and sell as well or better than they ever did. IMHO the only rifle with a a bigger aftermarket footprint is the AR15. New ones are not quite as refined as the old ones but relative to minimum wage, the costs of a gallon of gas a loaf of bread and a package of cigarettes in 1980 they cost less now than they did then. |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 10:48:55 AM EDT
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Oh, believe me I know about the 10-22. I have one from over 20 years ago that they called the "deluxe model"- back then there was only 2 choices- standard and deluxe. The only difference is the deluxe has a little stock checkering and no barrel band.
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Posted: 9/9/2014 8:49:23 AM EDT
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4.5" .22 AR-15 Suppressed.
Or 4.5" 10/22 |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 7:29:01 PM EDT
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Would love to get my hands on these unicorn
Ruger MKII 10" 
or even better 
Ruger Amphibian !!! All in one suppressor 
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Posted: 9/9/2014 11:07:58 PM EDT
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Would love to get my hands on these unicorn
Ruger MKII 10" http://www.dayattherange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/RugerMKII-10inch.jpg or even better
Ruger Amphibian !!! All in one suppressor http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/awc_amphinian_mk2_ss.jpg I would honestly love to have a suppressed mk2 for a survival gun, but I shoot 22 rimfire competition where people shoot steel targets in the woods at ranges from 12 to 100 yards. I shoot my open sight pistol well, scoring close to the average scoped rifle scores. Last shoot I hit 28/50 pretty difficult targets open sights on my mk3. Most shooters that try open sight pistol average around 10/50. Very few people who think they can take game with a pistol actually can. My practical limit to taking rabbit size game is 50-60 yards. I might get a few past that but it's not worth wasting a shot. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 12:26:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would honestly love to have a suppressed mk2 for a survival gun, but I shoot 22 rimfire competition where people shoot steel targets in the woods at ranges from 12 to 100 yards. I shoot my open sight pistol well, scoring close to the average scoped rifle scores. Last shoot I hit 28/50 pretty difficult targets open sights on my mk3. Most shooters that try open sight pistol average around 10/50. Very few people who think they can take game with a pistol actually can. My practical limit to taking rabbit size game is 50-60 yards. I might get a few past that but it's not worth wasting a shot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would love to get my hands on these unicorn Ruger MKII 10" http://www.dayattherange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/RugerMKII-10inch.jpg or even better Ruger Amphibian !!! All in one suppressor http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/awc_amphinian_mk2_ss.jpg I would honestly love to have a suppressed mk2 for a survival gun, but I shoot 22 rimfire competition where people shoot steel targets in the woods at ranges from 12 to 100 yards. I shoot my open sight pistol well, scoring close to the average scoped rifle scores. Last shoot I hit 28/50 pretty difficult targets open sights on my mk3. Most shooters that try open sight pistol average around 10/50. Very few people who think they can take game with a pistol actually can. My practical limit to taking rabbit size game is 50-60 yards. I might get a few past that but it's not worth wasting a shot. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 7:18:58 AM EDT
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One or two handed grip if you don't mind? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would love to get my hands on these unicorn
Ruger MKII 10" http://www.dayattherange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/RugerMKII-10inch.jpg or even better
Ruger Amphibian !!! All in one suppressor http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/awc_amphinian_mk2_ss.jpg I would honestly love to have a suppressed mk2 for a survival gun, but I shoot 22 rimfire competition where people shoot steel targets in the woods at ranges from 12 to 100 yards. I shoot my open sight pistol well, scoring close to the average scoped rifle scores. Last shoot I hit 28/50 pretty difficult targets open sights on my mk3. Most shooters that try open sight pistol average around 10/50. Very few people who think they can take game with a pistol actually can. My practical limit to taking rabbit size game is 50-60 yards. I might get a few past that but it's not worth wasting a shot. I shoot 2 handed. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 8:11:04 AM EDT
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I wouldn't recommend a 22 pistol for most people. Unless you can consitantly hit a 2" plate at 25 yards you will go hungry. (and make more noise)
But a MKII-MKIII set up like a "Man From Uncle" gun would be a viable tool for survival. When I had a scope on my old MKII it shot as well as a rifle if I did my part. 
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Posted: 9/10/2014 9:01:31 AM EDT
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I wouldn't recommend a 22 pistol for most people. Unless you can consitantly hit a 2" plate at 25 yards you will go hungry. (and make more noise) But a MKII-MKIII set up like a "Man From Uncle" gun would be a viable tool for survival. When I had a scope on my old MKII it shot as well as a rifle if I did my part.  http://youtu.be/3xogfqx8n2wI do pretty well with my scoped mk2. I hit 44/50 at the last shoot. I don't shoot tight groups with it but do hit a 2" target at 45 yards far more often than not. Very few people can do that consistently. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 8:18:45 PM EDT
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I would honestly love to have a suppressed mk2 for a survival gun, but I shoot 22 rimfire competition where people shoot steel targets in the woods at ranges from 12 to 100 yards. I shoot my open sight pistol well, scoring close to the average scoped rifle scores. Last shoot I hit 28/50 pretty difficult targets open sights on my mk3. Most shooters that try open sight pistol average around 10/50. Very few people who think they can take game with a pistol actually can. My practical limit to taking rabbit size game is 50-60 yards. I might get a few past that but it's not worth wasting a shot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would love to get my hands on these unicorn
Ruger MKII 10" http://www.dayattherange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/RugerMKII-10inch.jpg or even better
Ruger Amphibian !!! All in one suppressor http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/awc_amphinian_mk2_ss.jpg I would honestly love to have a suppressed mk2 for a survival gun, but I shoot 22 rimfire competition where people shoot steel targets in the woods at ranges from 12 to 100 yards. I shoot my open sight pistol well, scoring close to the average scoped rifle scores. Last shoot I hit 28/50 pretty difficult targets open sights on my mk3. Most shooters that try open sight pistol average around 10/50. Very few people who think they can take game with a pistol actually can. My practical limit to taking rabbit size game is 50-60 yards. I might get a few past that but it's not worth wasting a shot. I have an FFL in my state that can take my Ruger MKII and build it into a Amphibian type model for I think they said 400 plus tax stamp and my pistol, thinking about it. Really have my eyes peeled for a Ruger MK 10 SS though 
Here is a pic of one they did on a Ruger MKIII, 
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Posted: 9/10/2014 8:29:05 PM EDT
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I have an FFL in my state that can take my Ruger MKII and build it into a Amphibian type model for I think they said 400 plus tax stamp and my pistol, thinking about it. Really have my eyes peeled for a Ruger MK 10 SS though
Here is a pic of one they did on a Ruger MKIII, https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/10436274_662995660450756_3416615537783120375_n.jpg?oh=fb83d67e690dc160ef74cab48e6057fb&oe=54A00281&__gda__=1422814641_a5329a4b7f9dc64f5e55c31c899eec6e Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would love to get my hands on these unicorn
Ruger MKII 10" http://www.dayattherange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/RugerMKII-10inch.jpg or even better
Ruger Amphibian !!! All in one suppressor http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/awc_amphinian_mk2_ss.jpg I would honestly love to have a suppressed mk2 for a survival gun, but I shoot 22 rimfire competition where people shoot steel targets in the woods at ranges from 12 to 100 yards. I shoot my open sight pistol well, scoring close to the average scoped rifle scores. Last shoot I hit 28/50 pretty difficult targets open sights on my mk3. Most shooters that try open sight pistol average around 10/50. Very few people who think they can take game with a pistol actually can. My practical limit to taking rabbit size game is 50-60 yards. I might get a few past that but it's not worth wasting a shot. I have an FFL in my state that can take my Ruger MKII and build it into a Amphibian type model for I think they said 400 plus tax stamp and my pistol, thinking about it. Really have my eyes peeled for a Ruger MK 10 SS though
Here is a pic of one they did on a Ruger MKIII, https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/10436274_662995660450756_3416615537783120375_n.jpg?oh=fb83d67e690dc160ef74cab48e6057fb&oe=54A00281&__gda__=1422814641_a5329a4b7f9dc64f5e55c31c899eec6e There is no doubt that a red dot gives better hit rates in the shoot. I think I would have to consider it in a survival hunting pistol. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 4:16:43 AM EDT
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The updated Henry AR-7 that has been on the market the last few years is stupid reliable. Only complaint is you are limited to 8rd magazines
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Posted: 9/13/2014 9:10:32 PM EDT
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Wasn't there a shoulder brace or stock that was held to the back of the frame of the Ruger .22 pistols back in the '80s?
I always thought something like that would be really handy to have. |
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Posted: 9/13/2014 9:23:58 PM EDT
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The updated Henry AR-7 that has been on the market the last few years is stupid reliable. Only complaint is you are limited to 8rd magazines I really haven't heard too much good about their accuracy. I would love to see some 25-50 yard groups. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 2:38:16 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a shoulder brace or stock that was held to the back of the frame of the Ruger .22 pistols back in the '80s? I always thought something like that would be really handy to have. Yes there was. The sticky upy thingy portion laid flat against the rear grip strap and your hand held it in place. They worked well. Since there was no attachment they were legal. |
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Posted: 9/14/2014 2:49:34 AM EDT
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I really haven't heard too much good about their accuracy. I would love to see some 25-50 yard groups. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The updated Henry AR-7 that has been on the market the last few years is stupid reliable. Only complaint is you are limited to 8rd magazines I really haven't heard too much good about their accuracy. I would love to see some 25-50 yard groups. To get the best accuracy from the AR7 and clones that they are possible of giving you need to test ammo to see what the individual rifle likes best. Tips for that: After screwing the barrel in, rack the bolt 5 or 6 times to normalize the barrel seating. Hold the rifle like you would a stocked pistol instead of a rifle. Have an excellent pistol shooter do the firing for you if you are less than excellent with a pistol. Shoot slow and let the barrel cool between shots. The last Armalite I had loved CCI and was minute of rabbit accurate at 50 if I controlled my breathing and trigger squeeze or if I could improvise a rest. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 9:58:03 PM EDT
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Another vote for the 10/22 Takedown. Compact, reliable, customizable and accurate. Slap on a scope and you can shoot squirrels and rabbits at 100 yards or more.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 4:35:40 PM EDT
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I have a 10/22 Take Down and a Henry A7. Both are fun to shoot in their own way, I may be the only person in the universe who has purchased a Ruger 10/22 and done nothing to it other than shoot it as is. Believe it or not, contrary to what everyone says they do work as is. I never wanted a 10/22 until the TD model came out. It was an oddball firearm at the time so it appealed to me. If I am not careful, my daughter in law may get it from me. She loves it.
Same for the A7. Oddball enough to get me to open my wallet. Always goes bang. They recommend high speed 22lr ammunition for it. I can hit clays at 50 yards with it. That is good enough for me. |
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Posted: 10/14/2014 10:09:11 PM EDT
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Another takedown option is the Rossi Matched Pair .22/20ga combo or .22/410. It's a break open single shot with a .22LR and a shotgun barrel. The barrel is broken down or swapped by removing the handguard.
Even though it's not a semi-auto, the .22 barrel can be scoped, and the extra shotgun barrel allows for birdshot and slug use. |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 9:27:11 AM EDT
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The updated Henry AR-7 that has been on the market the last few years is stupid reliable. Only complaint is you are limited to 8rd magazines No. I just worked on one that had feeding problems. I wound up making new guide springs for the magazines. Also had to replace the magazine release spring as the factory one was too weak and allowed the magazine to drop when the bolt slammed back. ETA: Go with a Ruger 10/22 TD. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 7:31:47 AM EDT
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The 1022 Takedown is a great option but for true end of days survival you cant beat the Marlin 981T.
This tube fed bolt action will reliably cycle any .22 ammo you can find and is super accurate. Some of the subsonic rounds are truly quiet even without suppression. As a bonus the stock is synthetic and you can literally drop in a handful of mixed rounds and the will all fire and cycle reliably, including super colibri. http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/BoltAction22/981T.asp One of my favorite rifles in my collection. |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 1:07:22 PM EDT
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Ruger 10/22 with folding stock - but not the take down (TD) model. TD adds another step you must perform before you're ready fire, adds another area for contamination to get into the action and barrel, adds a potential for misalignment/loss of accuracy, adds cost, and puts the firearm into two separate pieces which may get separated rendering the other part worthless.
MHO, YMMV, etc. And, yes, I do realize I'm in the minority with this viewpoint. |
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Posted: 10/19/2014 4:07:30 PM EDT
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Make your own.
CSF 
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Posted: 10/19/2014 10:09:01 PM EDT
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What's the weight on that sweet little bugger?
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Posted: 10/20/2014 7:04:45 AM EDT
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5lbs without a loaded magazine. You can take the light and forward grip off to make it even lighter.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 9:44:32 PM EDT
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4.5" .22 AR-15 Suppressed. Or 4.5" 10/22 While i would second your suggestion, neither one of them can cross as many state lines, like a stock take down 10/22, threaded bbl of course. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 9:16:23 AM EDT
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From a practical standpoint and going with your criteria a 10-22 TD is about your only real choice in a .22 rifle......Meh, poor choice as far as I am concerned.
IMHO a "survival" weapon is one that is attached to you and not lashed down in a craft. That should be a secondary type of thing. You can bet dollars to donuts when you really need a weapon the time spent unlashing/unpacking/putting together/ your "survival" rifle will be time that works against you. That is why I'd prefer a tube-fed .22 carbine if I had to lash a rifle down. Not to mention one really bad tip-over that spills you into the water and there goes your survival weapon in your pack downstream. Been there done that while trapping out of a canoe before. 
If course there are many side arms you can choose from but in keeping with the .22 semi-auto/threaded thing a Ruger MKII with a Pac-Lite or similar upper fits the "survival gun" slot quite nicely. It's light weight and carries in a holster attached to you. It's more than capable of putting a bunny/squirrel or anything else a .22 can kill in the pot. My MKII weighs a whole 2.5 pounds as pictured with holster/mag with both mags loaded with CCI SS HPs. Of course you don't need the brake thingy on the end but it helps fill the holster due to the 4.5" barrel. To be honest I've never seen the need for a can on a "survival" weapon unless you plan on taking out sentries or the like.
Yes I have a TD. 
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Posted: 10/23/2014 7:25:34 PM EDT
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From a practical standpoint and going with your criteria a 10-22 TD is about your only real choice in a .22 rifle......Meh, poor choice as far as I am concerned. IMHO a "survival" weapon is one that is attached to you and not lashed down in a craft. That should be a secondary type of thing. You can bet dollars to donuts when you really need a weapon the time spent unlashing/unpacking/putting together/ your "survival" rifle will be time that works against you. That is why I'd prefer a tube-fed .22 carbine if I had to lash a rifle down. Not to mention one really bad tip-over that spills you into the water and there goes your survival weapon in your pack downstream. Been there done that while trapping out of a canoe before.
If course there are many side arms you can choose from but in keeping with the .22 semi-auto/threaded thing a Ruger MKII with a Pac-Lite or similar upper fits the "survival gun" slot quite nicely. It's light weight and carries in a holster attached to you. It's more than capable of putting a bunny/squirrel or anything else a .22 can kill in the pot. My MKII weighs a whole 2.5 pounds as pictured with holster/mag with both mags loaded with CCI SS HPs. Of course you don't need the brake thingy on the end but it helps fill the holster due to the 4.5" barrel. To be honest I've never seen the need for a can on a "survival" weapon unless you plan on taking out sentries or the like.
http://oi61.tinypic.com/maxfvb.jpg Yes I have a TD. http://oi58.tinypic.com/96aqv8.jpg I'm not doubting you, but 1 in 1,000 people who think they can hunt small game with a pistol actually can. I do get your point about packing away your survival rifle. I have a sling on my takedown so I can carry it assembled when I don't have to be as discrete. The point about it being always ready is a good one. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:34:10 AM EDT
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For me it's a Ruger Charger with a Nikon scope on it and some BX-25 magazines. Small, light, accurate, high-capacity.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 7:50:35 AM EDT
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I'm not doubting you, but 1 in 1,000 people who think they can hunt small game with a pistol actually can. I do get your point about packing away your survival rifle. I have a sling on my takedown so I can carry it assembled when I don't have to be as discrete. The point about it being always ready is a good one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From a practical standpoint and going with your criteria a 10-22 TD is about your only real choice in a .22 rifle......Meh, poor choice as far as I am concerned. IMHO a "survival" weapon is one that is attached to you and not lashed down in a craft. That should be a secondary type of thing. You can bet dollars to donuts when you really need a weapon the time spent unlashing/unpacking/putting together/ your "survival" rifle will be time that works against you. That is why I'd prefer a tube-fed .22 carbine if I had to lash a rifle down. Not to mention one really bad tip-over that spills you into the water and there goes your survival weapon in your pack downstream. Been there done that while trapping out of a canoe before.
If course there are many side arms you can choose from but in keeping with the .22 semi-auto/threaded thing a Ruger MKII with a Pac-Lite or similar upper fits the "survival gun" slot quite nicely. It's light weight and carries in a holster attached to you. It's more than capable of putting a bunny/squirrel or anything else a .22 can kill in the pot. My MKII weighs a whole 2.5 pounds as pictured with holster/mag with both mags loaded with CCI SS HPs. Of course you don't need the brake thingy on the end but it helps fill the holster due to the 4.5" barrel. To be honest I've never seen the need for a can on a "survival" weapon unless you plan on taking out sentries or the like.
http://oi61.tinypic.com/maxfvb.jpg Yes I have a TD. http://oi58.tinypic.com/96aqv8.jpg I'm not doubting you, but 1 in 1,000 people who think they can hunt small game with a pistol actually can. I do get your point about packing away your survival rifle. I have a sling on my takedown so I can carry it assembled when I don't have to be as discrete. The point about it being always ready is a good one. You shouldn't.
Unless you have trouble seeing (as 10% of the population does to one degree or another) taking small game for the pot with a .22 pistol is not much of a much. Of course a rifle is preferable for the pot filling chore. Odd that the Remington Nylon 66 is the .22 of choice by Eskimos. They carry them in their kayaks too.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:27:45 AM EDT
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Unless you have trouble seeing (as 10% of the population does to one degree or another) taking small game for the pot with a .22 pistol is not much of a much. Of course a rifle is preferable for the pot filling chore. Odd that the Remington Nylon 66 is the .22 of choice by Eskimos. They carry them in their kayaks too.
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From a practical standpoint and going with your criteria a 10-22 TD is about your only real choice in a .22 rifle......Meh, poor choice as far as I am concerned. IMHO a "survival" weapon is one that is attached to you and not lashed down in a craft. That should be a secondary type of thing. You can bet dollars to donuts when you really need a weapon the time spent unlashing/unpacking/putting together/ your "survival" rifle will be time that works against you. That is why I'd prefer a tube-fed .22 carbine if I had to lash a rifle down. Not to mention one really bad tip-over that spills you into the water and there goes your survival weapon in your pack downstream. Been there done that while trapping out of a canoe before.
If course there are many side arms you can choose from but in keeping with the .22 semi-auto/threaded thing a Ruger MKII with a Pac-Lite or similar upper fits the "survival gun" slot quite nicely. It's light weight and carries in a holster attached to you. It's more than capable of putting a bunny/squirrel or anything else a .22 can kill in the pot. My MKII weighs a whole 2.5 pounds as pictured with holster/mag with both mags loaded with CCI SS HPs. Of course you don't need the brake thingy on the end but it helps fill the holster due to the 4.5" barrel. To be honest I've never seen the need for a can on a "survival" weapon unless you plan on taking out sentries or the like.
http://oi61.tinypic.com/maxfvb.jpg Yes I have a TD. http://oi58.tinypic.com/96aqv8.jpg I'm not doubting you, but 1 in 1,000 people who think they can hunt small game with a pistol actually can. I do get your point about packing away your survival rifle. I have a sling on my takedown so I can carry it assembled when I don't have to be as discrete. The point about it being always ready is a good one. You shouldn't.
Unless you have trouble seeing (as 10% of the population does to one degree or another) taking small game for the pot with a .22 pistol is not much of a much. Of course a rifle is preferable for the pot filling chore. Odd that the Remington Nylon 66 is the .22 of choice by Eskimos. They carry them in their kayaks too.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:54:32 AM EDT
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Myself, I would use a Ruger MK III for a .22 survival firearm. Stick a RDS on it and your done.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 9:12:08 PM EDT
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From a practical standpoint and going with your criteria a 10-22 TD is about your only real choice in a .22 rifle......Meh, poor choice as far as I am concerned. IMHO a "survival" weapon is one that is attached to you and not lashed down in a craft. That should be a secondary type of thing. You can bet dollars to donuts when you really need a weapon the time spent unlashing/unpacking/putting together/ your "survival" rifle will be time that works against you. That is why I'd prefer a tube-fed .22 carbine if I had to lash a rifle down. Not to mention one really bad tip-over that spills you into the water and there goes your survival weapon in your pack downstream. Been there done that while trapping out of a canoe before.
If course there are many side arms you can choose from but in keeping with the .22 semi-auto/threaded thing a Ruger MKII with a Pac-Lite or similar upper fits the "survival gun" slot quite nicely. It's light weight and carries in a holster attached to you. It's more than capable of putting a bunny/squirrel or anything else a .22 can kill in the pot. My MKII weighs a whole 2.5 pounds as pictured with holster/mag with both mags loaded with CCI SS HPs. Of course you don't need the brake thingy on the end but it helps fill the holster due to the 4.5" barrel. To be honest I've never seen the need for a can on a "survival" weapon unless you plan on taking out sentries or the like.
http://oi61.tinypic.com/maxfvb.jpg Yes I have a TD. http://oi58.tinypic.com/96aqv8.jpg I'm not doubting you, but 1 in 1,000 people who think they can hunt small game with a pistol actually can. I do get your point about packing away your survival rifle. I have a sling on my takedown so I can carry it assembled when I don't have to be as discrete. The point about it being always ready is a good one. You shouldn't.
Unless you have trouble seeing (as 10% of the population does to one degree or another) taking small game for the pot with a .22 pistol is not much of a much. Of course a rifle is preferable for the pot filling chore. Odd that the Remington Nylon 66 is the .22 of choice by Eskimos. They carry them in their kayaks too.
You massively over estimate your fellow man. Most shooters are lucky to hit a paper plate at 25 yards. Perhaps you are right. Owning my own range I don't get to see what newer shooters are capable of anymore. Sometimes I lose sight of the fact that not everyone has near 50 years of experience much less the opportunity to hone their skills as I (and my peers) have been fortunate enough to have been able to do. To be honest most of them shoot very little these days. Now what with .22 "plinking ammo" being both scarce and expensive and with all the built-up areas that were once forest/farms that I ran around on back in the day it makes it even harder still for newer shooters to hone their skills. Running through a few bricks in a afternoon playing "keep the bean can moving" with your friends is pretty much a thing of the past......Sad times. 
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Posted: 10/24/2014 10:49:17 PM EDT
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Perhaps you are right. Owning my own range I don't get to see what newer shooters are capable of anymore. Sometimes I lose sight of the fact that not everyone has near 50 years of experience much less the opportunity to hone their skills as I (and my peers) have been fortunate enough to have been able to do. To be honest most of them shoot very little these days. Now what with .22 "plinking ammo" being both scarce and expensive and with all the built-up areas that were once forest/farms that I ran around on back in the day it makes it even harder still for newer shooters to hone their skills. Running through a few bricks in a afternoon playing "keep the bean can moving" with your friends is pretty much a thing of the past......Sad times.
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From a practical standpoint and going with your criteria a 10-22 TD is about your only real choice in a .22 rifle......Meh, poor choice as far as I am concerned. IMHO a "survival" weapon is one that is attached to you and not lashed down in a craft. That should be a secondary type of thing. You can bet dollars to donuts when you really need a weapon the time spent unlashing/unpacking/putting together/ your "survival" rifle will be time that works against you. That is why I'd prefer a tube-fed .22 carbine if I had to lash a rifle down. Not to mention one really bad tip-over that spills you into the water and there goes your survival weapon in your pack downstream. Been there done that while trapping out of a canoe before.
If course there are many side arms you can choose from but in keeping with the .22 semi-auto/threaded thing a Ruger MKII with a Pac-Lite or similar upper fits the "survival gun" slot quite nicely. It's light weight and carries in a holster attached to you. It's more than capable of putting a bunny/squirrel or anything else a .22 can kill in the pot. My MKII weighs a whole 2.5 pounds as pictured with holster/mag with both mags loaded with CCI SS HPs. Of course you don't need the brake thingy on the end but it helps fill the holster due to the 4.5" barrel. To be honest I've never seen the need for a can on a "survival" weapon unless you plan on taking out sentries or the like.
http://oi61.tinypic.com/maxfvb.jpg Yes I have a TD. http://oi58.tinypic.com/96aqv8.jpg I'm not doubting you, but 1 in 1,000 people who think they can hunt small game with a pistol actually can. I do get your point about packing away your survival rifle. I have a sling on my takedown so I can carry it assembled when I don't have to be as discrete. The point about it being always ready is a good one. You shouldn't.
Unless you have trouble seeing (as 10% of the population does to one degree or another) taking small game for the pot with a .22 pistol is not much of a much. Of course a rifle is preferable for the pot filling chore. Odd that the Remington Nylon 66 is the .22 of choice by Eskimos. They carry them in their kayaks too.
You massively over estimate your fellow man. Most shooters are lucky to hit a paper plate at 25 yards. Perhaps you are right. Owning my own range I don't get to see what newer shooters are capable of anymore. Sometimes I lose sight of the fact that not everyone has near 50 years of experience much less the opportunity to hone their skills as I (and my peers) have been fortunate enough to have been able to do. To be honest most of them shoot very little these days. Now what with .22 "plinking ammo" being both scarce and expensive and with all the built-up areas that were once forest/farms that I ran around on back in the day it makes it even harder still for newer shooters to hone their skills. Running through a few bricks in a afternoon playing "keep the bean can moving" with your friends is pretty much a thing of the past......Sad times.
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Posted: 10/25/2014 6:15:26 PM EDT
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No. I just worked on one that had feeding problems. I wound up making new guide springs for the magazines. Also had to replace the magazine release spring as the factory one was too weak and allowed the magazine to drop when the bolt slammed back. ETA: Go with a Ruger 10/22 TD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The updated Henry AR-7 that has been on the market the last few years is stupid reliable. Only complaint is you are limited to 8rd magazines No. I just worked on one that had feeding problems. I wound up making new guide springs for the magazines. Also had to replace the magazine release spring as the factory one was too weak and allowed the magazine to drop when the bolt slammed back. ETA: Go with a Ruger 10/22 TD. A recent one with the orange blade sight and coloring inside the stock? Did you try Henry for their warranty? Mine never had a single malfunction with thousands of .22 through it as well as probably sold 6 of them in which returning customers had nothing but good things to say. |
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