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Grind that billboard import mark off if you are planning a refinish job.
Law says it has to be put there, not that it has to stay! Only serial numbers are inviolable. |
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Cool. I'm tempted, but I just can't commit. I'll regret it in a few years, I'm sure...
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Mushy and confusing reset is pretty much how a high power is. A friend who is a huge high power fan has several high end custom high powers and God help me I can't stand shooting them. I have been raised on 1911's and have shot also glocks over the last 20+ years and I am firmly wedded to a sharp distinct reset and a high power just doesn't have one.
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Those sights are small. I couldn't hit shit with the one I tried. Then we put some bags down on the bench, slowed way down and damn if that gun didn't shoot 3" at 25 yds. The reset and sights were killing us trying to shoot fast.
If you could fix those issues, that could be a pretty decent gun, but I think the reset can only be improved so much. Glock guys still shoot pretty well with a long reset, so it can be learned. |
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MKII is bestest MK
Don Williams has mine (Browning marked from Coles) right now getting Heinies, safety and ignition work. I should have it back soon. I thought about doing a bunch of fancy stuff to it, but in the end its a hi-power, and a surplus one at that. Personal opinion: even if I was going to do something dramatic on a hi-power I wouldn't do a MKII just because they are just so cool as is, with the big bushing and slide rib. I'd get trigger work, hammer if the spur bites, sights, grips and refinish. If I wanted a flattened/serrated slide, stippling, etc I'd do a MKIII. |
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I bought a couple of these. The triggers needed the most attention. I didn't bother measuring them but they were way above 7 pounds. With the mag disconnect removed, the reset becomes weak and mushy. They will be getting a Garthwaite straight trigger since the curved BHP trigger really hurts to shoot, especially when you're pressing it with over 7 pounds of force with every shot. I may put the C&S hammer and sear on at least one of them.
I will also install C&S extended safeties since the factory ambi safety is very difficult to engage. Most grips don't provide enough clearance to get your thumb underneath the safety. Mine have the dovetailed sights but the 3-white-square sight picture sucks and the edges are rounded off by wear and tear in the best military tradition. |
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Looks good. Heck, I'd leave it stock and just get the trigger work to where the pull isn't crazy heavy. That's all I would do with that bad boy. I love the way it looks. But that's obviously not what you're going for......
I would however, makes sure it shoots well before putting a bunch of money into it. Make sure everything is working right. Do the click test. It's in the Browning forum, stickied. |
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I have one from another source. It came freshly parked. I sent mine to Novak's for sights and trigger.
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Looks good. Heck, I'd leave it stock and just get the trigger work to where the pull isn't crazy heavy. That's all I would do with that bad boy. I love the way it looks. But that's obviously not what you're going for...... I would however, makes sure it shoots well before putting a bunch of money into it. Make sure everything is working right. Do the click test. It's in the Browning forum, stickied. View Quote I wouldn't worry to much about the click test on a gun he's sending out to a smith anyway. |
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I wouldn't worry to much about the click test on a gun he's sending out to a smith anyway. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Looks good. Heck, I'd leave it stock and just get the trigger work to where the pull isn't crazy heavy. That's all I would do with that bad boy. I love the way it looks. But that's obviously not what you're going for...... I would however, makes sure it shoots well before putting a bunch of money into it. Make sure everything is working right. Do the click test. It's in the Browning forum, stickied. I wouldn't worry to much about the click test on a gun he's sending out to a smith anyway. That's true enough. Still would be good to know the status of it before any work is done. Especially if you're shooting it. And ESPECIALLY if it doesn't have a FPS, which I'm pretty sure only late MKII's have it. ETA: looked at the pics and it looks like he doesn't have it. So,...... Obviously there is the half notch on the hammer, but I kind of like the extra layer of safety.... |
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Bonus points for the Mk III safety. I have an Argie with the early .mil safety and it seriously sucks.
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To help the mushy reset after the MD has been removed it is highly suggested that you replace the 3 coil trigger spring for the proper 2 coil trigger spring which is meant to be used with BHP's without a mad disconnect, reset will be greatly improved. Besides that replace every spring in it which can be purchased pretty cheap from Browning.
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Where do I get a safety like that, the safety on my Argie sucks horribly.
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Wow! I have to admit I do not understand this set of mods.
Fortunately, my small select fee apparently saved me a kazillion in gunsmith costs. It was NIB except for two hairline scratches in the Mk.III epoxy. |
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I'll admit to not understanding why you'd want to round the slide like that. Just getting rid of the MkII rib?
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Wow! I have to admit I do not understand this set of mods. Fortunately, my small select fee apparently saved me a kazillion in gunsmith costs. It was NIB except for two hairline scratches in the Mk.III epoxy. View Quote Which mod, other than the rib being removed (see post below), do you not understand? A trigger job, bobbing and radiusing the hammer, and the extended/flattened safety are all common mods, and the sights are personal preference. |
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I'll admit to not understanding why you'd want to round the slide like that. Just getting rid of the MkII rib? View Quote Quoted:
removing the rib is a strange way to go. View Quote He suggested it and I wasn't partial to it. He said it just looked bad with the sights installed. I took his advice. |
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We are from different planets. I, being from east of Mars, understand the mechanical nature of all the changes. The why, the why of the whole package, escapes me. And thank goodness its your money and not mine. That much metal from the slide will increase slide velocity unless sprung stiffer.
As an aside, I bought one of the Israel Police surplus FNs because my buddies in Israel during Gulf 1 carried them. Nostalgia and available. Its a running joke that I am going to shoot "Eli's" FN today. Never dreamed of changing it. |
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That much metal from the slide will increase slide velocity unless sprung stiffer. View Quote Not really. The massive rear sight probably more than makes up for the little bit of rib that got removed. I count myself among those who think the HP needs a lot of work to address its shortcomings. Everything the OP is having done is something I see value in, and would have done myself. (The XS front sight was done how I'd like it, with a big notch rear and throwing the useless XS rear in the trash.) I'm eager to see the conclusion of his project. |
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Not really. The massive rear sight probably more than makes up for the little bit of rib that got removed. I count myself among those who think the HP needs a lot of work to address its shortcomings. Everything the OP is having done is something I see value in, and would have done myself. (The XS front sight was done how I'd like it, with a big notch rear and throwing the useless XS rear in the trash.) I'm eager to see the conclusion of his project. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That much metal from the slide will increase slide velocity unless sprung stiffer. Not really. The massive rear sight probably more than makes up for the little bit of rib that got removed. I count myself among those who think the HP needs a lot of work to address its shortcomings. Everything the OP is having done is something I see value in, and would have done myself. (The XS front sight was done how I'd like it, with a big notch rear and throwing the useless XS rear in the trash.) I'm eager to see the conclusion of his project. Agreed; I would also have all but the rib removal on my own MKII. Doesn't take but a couple of bites to be sold on the hammer bob. Safety rework is a must in a carry gun (unless you are IDF LOL). Sights are a must for my older eyes. Magwell bevel is also beneficial. |
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(unless you are IDF LOL)
The IDF is not the Israel Police, but same difference. The police I worked with carried the FNs chamber empty, magazine loaded, hammer down and simply drew and sling shotted the slide if they wished to shoot. The safety was never on. Actually fairly quick at it. They fired until the wiley doer was down and quit moving. They didn't worry about fancy sights either simply using two things. First, index on the square end of the receiver. Second, many used white/ yellow electrical tape on the front of the slides. If you see yellow on the left front, turn the gun to the right so all you see is the rear of the slide. Fixes windage. Elevation, hell, if you cannot point shoot an FN, you just cannot shoot. An eye opener happened when one of my friends came to the states. Took him shooting. Alphabet agency style. Fellow discovered what modestly good shooting was and he was not it. Without his trusty FN, he looked like a 1930's cowboy shooter. Or maybe a SASS fellow today. He sucked. 1000 rounds over two afternoons with a DA/SA auto acquainted him with what sights were for. No A Zone was safe after that. He understood shooting. He had gone fromLoader to gunner to commander of a Merkava for his Reserve job. Better tank than the 60 he was in in '82 as a loader in the Golan for two days waiting for help while they killed lotsa Syrians. Lotsa Syrians. 60 got hit-skipped by a wire guided ATM, lost all its electronics, lost its optical sight, and the crew finished up by bore sighting a 4" gun. I would not make fun of them with your LOL. Yeah. Its a country where people actually still know freedom isn't free. Where 50% of the residents aren't parasites. And where most people are still willing to fight for themselves. And yeah, I think you hit a nerve. |
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(unless you are IDF LOL) The IDF is not the Israel Police, but same difference. The police I worked with carried the FNs chamber empty, magazine loaded, hammer down and simply drew and sling shotted the slide if they wished to shoot. The safety was never on. Actually fairly quick at it. They fired until the wiley doer was down and quit moving. They didn't worry about fancy sights either simply using two things. First, index on the square end of the receiver. Second, many used white/ yellow electrical tape on the front of the slides. If you see yellow on the left front, turn the gun to the right so all you see is the rear of the slide. Fixes windage. Elevation, hell, if you cannot point shoot an FN, you just cannot shoot. An eye opener happened when one of my friends came to the states. Took him shooting. Alphabet agency style. Fellow discovered what modestly good shooting was and he was not it. Without his trusty FN, he looked like a 1930's cowboy shooter. Or maybe a SASS fellow today. He sucked. 1000 rounds over two afternoons with a DA/SA auto acquainted him with what sights were for. No A Zone was safe after that. He understood shooting. He had gone fromLoader to gunner to commander of a Merkava for his Reserve job. Better tank than the 60 he was in in '82 as a loader in the Golan for two days waiting for help while they killed lotsa Syrians. Lotsa Syrians. 60 got hit-skipped by a wire guided ATM, lost all its electronics, lost its optical sight, and the crew finished up by bore sighting a 4" gun. I would not make fun of them with your LOL. Yeah. Its a country where people actually still know freedom isn't free. Where 50% of the residents aren't parasites. And where most people are still willing to fight for themselves. And yeah, I think you hit a nerve. View Quote |
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I've nothing but respect for IDF. Context of the LOL: needing a better safety unless you are IDF, 'cause they dont use them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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(unless you are IDF LOL) The IDF is not the Israel Police, but same difference. The police I worked with carried the FNs chamber empty, magazine loaded, hammer down and simply drew and sling shotted the slide if they wished to shoot. The safety was never on. Actually fairly quick at it. They fired until the wiley doer was down and quit moving. They didn't worry about fancy sights either simply using two things. First, index on the square end of the receiver. Second, many used white/ yellow electrical tape on the front of the slides. If you see yellow on the left front, turn the gun to the right so all you see is the rear of the slide. Fixes windage. Elevation, hell, if you cannot point shoot an FN, you just cannot shoot. An eye opener happened when one of my friends came to the states. Took him shooting. Alphabet agency style. Fellow discovered what modestly good shooting was and he was not it. Without his trusty FN, he looked like a 1930's cowboy shooter. Or maybe a SASS fellow today. He sucked. 1000 rounds over two afternoons with a DA/SA auto acquainted him with what sights were for. No A Zone was safe after that. He understood shooting. He had gone fromLoader to gunner to commander of a Merkava for his Reserve job. Better tank than the 60 he was in in '82 as a loader in the Golan for two days waiting for help while they killed lotsa Syrians. Lotsa Syrians. 60 got hit-skipped by a wire guided ATM, lost all its electronics, lost its optical sight, and the crew finished up by bore sighting a 4" gun. I would not make fun of them with your LOL. Yeah. Its a country where people actually still know freedom isn't free. Where 50% of the residents aren't parasites. And where most people are still willing to fight for themselves. And yeah, I think you hit a nerve. This. I'm not a proponent for carrying without a round in chamber, either. Also, if they are duty weapons issued to them, I wonder how much leeway they have in customizing them as is done here in the States. It being my personal weapon allows me to fix the deficiencies I identify that I want rectified. That option may not be possible with Isreali police. |
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OK.
Pistols were simply issued or drawn as needed. ZERO changes possible unless you wished to be a Border Guard in the Negev Desert at half pay. M1 Carbines freely available or other rifles as plans or assignments needed. Customization was maybe how or where you attached your sling. Sorry for side track. I hope you like your pistol when finished as much as I like my FN. |
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OK. Pistols were simply issued or drawn as needed. ZERO changes possible unless you wished to be a Border Guard in the Negev Desert at half pay. M1 Carbines freely available or other rifles as plans or assignments needed. Customization was maybe how or where you attached your sling. Sorry for side track. I hope you like your pistol when finished as much as I like my FN. View Quote No worries. I learned something. |
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He fabricated it. Have to send it to him I guess? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Where do I get a safety like that, the safety on my Argie sucks horribly. He fabricated it. Have to send it to him I guess? I just bought a new Mark III safety. They're super easy to fit. |
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I just bought a new Mark III safety. They're super easy to fit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Where do I get a safety like that, the safety on my Argie sucks horribly. He fabricated it. Have to send it to him I guess? I just bought a new Mark III safety. They're super easy to fit. That is certainly an option. I offered buying one and letting him fit it. He fabricated this one for less than the new one cost plus shipping and I think I like it better. |
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Not intended as a hijack, if you decide to not send your pistol off, this safety available from Cylinder and Slide can be installed fairly simply. I got rid of my ambi and put this one in, a great improvement. http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/50-140/IMG_0080_zpszgbcd745.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Where do I get a safety like that, the safety on my Argie sucks horribly. http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/50-140/IMG_0080_zpszgbcd745.jpg I appreciate the reply, but I posted pics toward the bottom of the first page showing the work the smith did to the safety. I'm hoping to get the pistol back from cerakoting tomorrow. I'll try to post pics of it soon after I do. |
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(unless you are IDF LOL) The IDF is not the Israel Police, but same difference. The police I worked with carried the FNs chamber empty, magazine loaded, hammer down and simply drew and sling shotted the slide if they wished to shoot. The safety was never on. Actually fairly quick at it. They fired until the wiley doer was down and quit moving. They didn't worry about fancy sights either simply using two things. First, index on the square end of the receiver. Second, many used white/ yellow electrical tape on the front of the slides. If you see yellow on the left front, turn the gun to the right so all you see is the rear of the slide. Fixes windage. Elevation, hell, if you cannot point shoot an FN, you just cannot shoot. An eye opener happened when one of my friends came to the states. Took him shooting. Alphabet agency style. Fellow discovered what modestly good shooting was and he was not it. Without his trusty FN, he looked like a 1930's cowboy shooter. Or maybe a SASS fellow today. He sucked. 1000 rounds over two afternoons with a DA/SA auto acquainted him with what sights were for. No A Zone was safe after that. He understood shooting. He had gone fromLoader to gunner to commander of a Merkava for his Reserve job. Better tank than the 60 he was in in '82 as a loader in the Golan for two days waiting for help while they killed lotsa Syrians. Lotsa Syrians. 60 got hit-skipped by a wire guided ATM, lost all its electronics, lost its optical sight, and the crew finished up by bore sighting a 4" gun. I would not make fun of them with your LOL. Yeah. Its a country where people actually still know freedom isn't free. Where 50% of the residents aren't parasites. And where most people are still willing to fight for themselves. And yeah, I think you hit a nerve. View Quote I wondered what the yellow tape on the slides was for. Now I know! |
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As a fan of Hi Powers, currently have three. I will say the work you had done is outstanding ! Only qualm I have is the cerakoting, I'm in the process of sending two to FORDS to have then refinished in a masters blue. That's all.
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Are you in middle TN?
Williamson county here. Who did the Cerakote? - was it a guy in Spring Hill? |
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I'd like to get a Hi Power and have my smith work it over with a beaver tail and 10-8 sights
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Are you in middle TN? Williamson county here. Who did the Cerakote? - was it a guy in Spring Hill? View Quote Yea, middle TN, Rutherford county. His name is Sean and he works at Nashville Amory. He has a Facebook page that he posts a lot of his work on, Gunrunner Custom Finishes. |
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