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Posted: 1/25/2016 8:55:36 PM EDT
I'm planning to compete in a local shooting match.
It's 15yrd & 25yrd bullseye shooting with no movement. The pistol needed to be at below $1K w/ good trigger and preferably w/ fiber sight. I had Glock 34 but just can't get used to that grip and trigger. Any suggestions? Many thanks in advance 
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Posted: 1/25/2016 9:16:02 PM EDT
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CZ SP-01 Shadow or really almost any version of a CZ Shadow.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 10:12:58 PM EDT
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I have a Springfield Range Officer. It's accurate enough for informal bullseye and is easily upgradable if you want 2" groups at 50 yards. A stock Sig P226 or P229 is also plenty accurate for what you're going to shoot. The CZ is also a good choice. I have a CZ 75 and it holds it's own with any of the above pistols.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 10:17:56 PM EDT
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Probably a range officer with some fitting and barrel bushing.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 10:21:01 PM EDT
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Xdm9 5.25. Red fiber optic front sight.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 10:58:02 PM EDT
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Thanks for the suggestions.
I also have old W.German Sig P228 and wondering whether it's suitable for bullseye shooting. It was my carry gun and recently refinished w/ cerakote. 
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Posted: 1/25/2016 11:18:25 PM EDT
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That's a short barrel for what you're saying but could work.
I have 228 Your 34 would be a great choice |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 11:23:33 PM EDT
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full size 1911 with the barrel lug cut over center to increase the unlocking time... hard to beat a 1911 single action trigger
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Posted: 1/25/2016 11:29:21 PM EDT
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CZ With sa trigger. Sig 210
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Posted: 1/26/2016 1:00:51 AM EDT
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CZ Shadow with CZ Custom SAO trigger.
Almost any Government size 9mm 1911 with adjustable sights. Add a hand fit bushing for tighter barrel/slide lockup. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 2:34:03 AM EDT
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I think Sig 210 is out of my budget... that's one expensive pistol.
It has to be under $1K... 
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Posted: 1/26/2016 2:48:49 AM EDT
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It has to be under $1K... Going back to CZ-75B SA 
Street price is just under $600 and you can add a fiber optic front from CZ Custom for $35. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 8:58:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2016 9:13:24 AM EDT
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I would give a CZ a shot. One good bet would be to rent several at a range.
As for the CZ, they not only have a high degree of mechanical accuracy, they are also extremely easy to shoot well. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 9:57:52 AM EDT
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As a long time bullseye shooter I can tell you fiber optic type sights suck for bullseye big black sights ( for those few still running irons in bullseye ) are what works.
The accuracy demands for bullseye usually mean a pretty refined and purpose built pistol to get the job done. If you want to work off the shelf a 9mm 1911 is likely the best choice, as you want something capable of sub 2 inch 25 yard groups at a minimum. The modern combat autos that are da/sa or striker fired like glocks simply do not in stock form have the capability for bullseye like single actions Bottom line if you would carry it into combat it probably will not serve well in bullseye and your bullseye gun will not be your choice to carry. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 10:34:19 AM EDT
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SAO P226
1911 in 9mm Sphinx or CZ design pistol G34 M&P Pro w/ Apex trigger setup a few options. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 10:38:32 AM EDT
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CZ or a Tanfolio
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Posted: 1/26/2016 10:49:55 AM EDT
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CZ or a Tanfolio This. Witness all day |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 10:52:29 AM EDT
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Glock 17 with LWD 9" Target Barrel?
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Posted: 1/26/2016 10:55:07 AM EDT
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Probably a range officer with some fitting and barrel bushing. For what you are doing this is a good recommendation. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 11:20:09 AM EDT
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Thanks for the suggestions. I also have old W.German Sig P228 and wondering whether it's suitable for bullseye shooting. It was my carry gun and recently refinished w/ cerakote. http://www.imagehostplus.com/v2/usr/2827/IMG_6921.jpg http://www.imagehostplus.com/v2/usr/2827/IMG_6928.jpg Are those adjustable rights? It would work but not be optimal, in my opinion. In terms of weight, precision, and overtravel the trigger might be a little hard to use for Bullseye. If is If it is an older German one the accuracy should be good. Springfield RO seems loke good choice. If you get one with a bad or creepy trigger that is something a good smith can take care of. Your 34 could work but you would probably want to clean up or work the trigger. I'm with a couple other posters, I'd keep the Glock for things that Glocks are better at - like IDPA or action shooting. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 11:25:31 AM EDT
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9mm Range Officer. I doubt you'll need to mod it at all, at least initially. My 45 RO may be the most accurate pistol I own. And no, you don't want fiber optics for bullseye matches.
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Posted: 1/26/2016 2:30:07 PM EDT
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CZ SP-01 Shadow or really almost any version of a CZ Shadow. Yup.......this. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 3:35:50 PM EDT
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There are lots of guns that would work. CZ/Tangfo are good ones to look, as well as the classic bullseye pistol, a 1911.
However, I recently put the Apex flat face trigger in a new M&P Pro. 2 inch group @ 20 yards, two hands, standing, just trying to see where the POA/POI was with new sights. Incredibly impressed with the accuracy of the stock barrel combined with the trigger. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 4:32:19 PM EDT
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SERIOUSLY????
We're talking 9mm bullseye pistols and NOT ONE person mentions the pistol that holds all the US Bullseye records in 9mm??? Beretta 92FS/M9...HELLO!!! Buy the basic pistol and it shoot VERY well right out of the box. Add a custom barrel, barrel bushing, sights and a trigger job and you're set for ANY level of competition. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 5:10:07 PM EDT
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I'm leaning toward Springfield Range officer 9mm or CZ shadow...
Tough choice.... |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 5:12:12 PM EDT
[#26]
Excellent advice.
Do you have any recommendation on sight for bullseye shooting? Quote HistoryQuoted:
As a long time bullseye shooter I can tell you fiber optic type sights suck for bullseye big black sights ( for those few still running irons in bullseye ) are what works. The accuracy demands for bullseye usually mean a pretty refined and purpose built pistol to get the job done. If you want to work off the shelf a 9mm 1911 is likely the best choice, as you want something capable of sub 2 inch 25 yard groups at a minimum. The modern combat autos that are da/sa or striker fired like glocks simply do not in stock form have the capability for bullseye like single actions Bottom line if you would carry it into combat it probably will not serve well in bullseye and your bullseye gun will not be your choice to carry. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 7:10:06 PM EDT
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Bottom line if you would carry it into combat it probably will not serve well in bullseye and your bullseye gun will not be your choice to carry. Agreed. The best handgun instructor I've had for teaching me the fundamentals was a good bullseye shooter. You'll see the bullseye shooters lubing their bullseye specific guns in between strings of fire. Their guns are that tight that they need to keep it almost excessively lubed to prevent wear to the critical tolerances. Stock or mostly stock combat guns with iron sights won't even get you into the minor league of bullseye shooters. IMHO, in your budget range, you might be better off buying a used older .38 revolver and investing some money in upgrades (target sights, better grips, etc) than buying a new combat style semi-auto. Even stock .38's can be amazingly accurate with quality wadcutter loads. |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 9:41:28 PM EDT
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based on everyone's recommendations, I narrowed it down to 2 choices at below:
1 - Springfield Range Officer 9mm w/ stainless steel finish and fiber optic front - Lowest price I found was $820 2 - Springfield Range Officer 9mm w/ Parkerized finish w/ black front sight - Lowest price I found was $695 Which one should I get? Any parts that I need to change in order to improve the accuracy & overall performance? http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/1911-range-officer-9mm/ |
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Posted: 1/26/2016 10:31:05 PM EDT
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Black front sight will be better for ultra precision. Fiber optic sights are great for quick target accusation but for bullseye, its all about precision. A bright, large circle on the front sight will be larger than the group size that you want. Think of it as trying to use a 6 moa red dot scope for a prairie dog 2 moa wide. The dot will completely cover the target so you won't be able to tell if you're aiming on target or if you're a couple moa's off. For bullseye iron sights you want black, sharp, and tight sights. You may find that you need to change sights even farther, such as a wider front sight and/or narrower rear sight.
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Posted: 1/26/2016 10:48:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Excellent advice. Thank you
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Black front sight will be better for ultra precision. Fiber optic sights are great for quick target accusation but for bullseye, its all about precision. A bright, large circle on the front sight will be larger than the group size that you want. Think of it as trying to use a 6 moa red dot scope for a prairie dog 2 moa wide. The dot will completely cover the target so you won't be able to tell if you're aiming on target or if you're a couple moa's off. For bullseye iron sights you want black, sharp, and tight sights. You may find that you need to change sights even farther, such as a wider front sight and/or narrower rear sight. |
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Posted: 1/27/2016 5:01:46 AM EDT
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If you can find someone to set up a Beretta for you, it will compete with anything. However, good luck finding an experienced smith.
You'll likely find someone who can tune a 1911 and it won't cost as much. Assuming adjustable sights are good to go, a basic trigger job and fitting a match bushing is all you'll need. So, you're also gonna need match 9mm ammo that your selected pistol likes. It's going to matter. Actually, 99% of shooters will do much better with a S&W Model 14 and wadcutters. And the 1911 should be in 45acp running match ammo. But we live in the age of tactical silliness so what the heck. |
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Posted: 1/27/2016 7:20:41 AM EDT
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Smith...52 or Performance center revolver in 9mm or 357. Good triggers out of the box...sights can always change.
Sights are always an issue. You see what you see. Not what I see. Edit: nod to 1911 in .38 Super |
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Posted: 1/27/2016 7:27:31 AM EDT
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Spook is right about the smith 14 and was cutters.
I have been shooting bullseye for over 30 years now, and did manage to earn distinguished while on a military team ( using berettas) But even after all these years still shoot a plain old revolver better. My go to centerfire bullseye gun is smith model 14 - what they call the target masterpiece- a six inch barrel 38 with adjustable sights. And for the 22 portion I use a model 17 ( identical to the 14 except caliber) I am unsure why you are wedded to the 9mm- if as others have touched on- you want maximum accuracy it is unlikely run of the mill bargain plinking ammo is going to give sufficient accuracy, so if ammo cost of availability are part of your reasoning you can toss that out the window. |
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Posted: 1/27/2016 7:35:22 AM EDT
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I have four full sized 9MM pistols. I don't know if any of them would be legal for that type of shooting or not.
I can tell you that the CZ P09 outshoots the Browning, XDM and M&P pistols by a significant margin. |
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Posted: 1/27/2016 7:41:26 AM EDT
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Tanfoglio Elite match
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Posted: 1/27/2016 9:07:01 AM EDT
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CZ SP-01 Shadow or really almost any version of a CZ Shadow. This. |
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Posted: 1/27/2016 10:24:14 AM EDT
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If you can find someone to set up a Beretta for you, it will compete with anything. However, good luck finding an experienced smith. You'll likely find someone who can tune a 1911 and it won't cost as much. Assuming adjustable sights are good to go, a basic trigger job and fitting a match bushing is all you'll need. So, you're also gonna need match 9mm ammo that your selected pistol likes. It's going to matter. Actually, 99% of shooters will do much better with a S&W Model 14 and wadcutters. And the 1911 should be in 45acp running match ammo. But we live in the age of tactical silliness so what the heck. That is still the biggest problem with Beretta's, great guns but for bullseye they still need $$ work, which is easier in a 1911. Why does the 1911 HAVE to be in 45? Most people are going to shoot the 9mm better. |
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Posted: 1/27/2016 10:26:12 AM EDT
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based on everyone's recommendations, I narrowed it down to 2 choices at below: 1 - Springfield Range Officer 9mm w/ stainless steel finish and fiber optic front - Lowest price I found was $820 2 - Springfield Range Officer 9mm w/ Parkerized finish w/ black front sight - Lowest price I found was $695 Which one should I get? Any parts that I need to change in order to improve the accuracy & overall performance? http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/1911-range-officer-9mm/ I'd buy the black one. Shoot it for a little while, it might need a little trigger work. As far as other parts, at the ranges you are shooting at I'd probably wait to have any other accuracy related work done. |
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Posted: 1/27/2016 12:40:55 PM EDT
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Bullseye is a totally different game from every other pistol game I know.
I agree the Springfield RO or CZ 75 SA is the best bang for your buck right out of the gate and both can be easily improved. Sights will need to be black on black and adjustable. It is unlikely red box Federal from Wally World will give you the accuracy you need. If you don't reload, consider starting. Once you are reloading, 45 and 38 Spec are kings in BE. |
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Posted: 1/27/2016 5:43:28 PM EDT
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SERIOUSLY???? We're talking 9mm bullseye pistols and NOT ONE person mentions the pistol that holds all the US Bullseye records in 9mm??? Beretta 92FS/M9...HELLO!!! Buy the basic pistol and it shoot VERY well right out of the box. Add a custom barrel, barrel bushing, sights and a trigger job and you're set for ANY level of competition. +1 here. Many people are very successful with a Drop in match barrel, and Beretta Adjustable rear site to start and then add other things as well. If you start with a Brigadier it can take front and rear sites. 
cp |
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Posted: 1/27/2016 8:14:54 PM EDT
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That is still the biggest problem with Beretta's, great guns but for bullseye they still need $$ work, which is easier in a 1911. Why does the 1911 HAVE to be in 45? Most people are going to shoot the 9mm better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you can find someone to set up a Beretta for you, it will compete with anything. However, good luck finding an experienced smith. You'll likely find someone who can tune a 1911 and it won't cost as much. Assuming adjustable sights are good to go, a basic trigger job and fitting a match bushing is all you'll need. So, you're also gonna need match 9mm ammo that your selected pistol likes. It's going to matter. Actually, 99% of shooters will do much better with a S&W Model 14 and wadcutters. And the 1911 should be in 45acp running match ammo. But we live in the age of tactical silliness so what the heck. That is still the biggest problem with Beretta's, great guns but for bullseye they still need $$ work, which is easier in a 1911. Why does the 1911 HAVE to be in 45? Most people are going to shoot the 9mm better. Well I'm a pistolsmith and I'd MUCH rather build a full Bullseye M9 than 1911. Barrel fitting on the Beretta is child's play compared to the 1911. Sear/hammer engagement is virtually the same. The AMU guns don't even use a cone barrel, rear fitting only and they straight up shoot lights out; pretty much own the 1911's. For serious bullseye shooting the M9 is cheaper, and will result in a more accurate pistol. |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 9:43:09 AM EDT
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2 - Springfield Range Officer 9mm w/ Parkerized finish w/ black front sight - Lowest price I found was $695
This one and do nothing to it when you can out shoot the gun then you will know what it needs. throwing money at a pistol is a much lower return than learning how to shoot it. |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 9:51:45 AM EDT
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For what you are doing this is a good recommendation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably a range officer with some fitting and barrel bushing. For what you are doing this is a good recommendation. Agreed. This is the best path for pure accuracy in your price range. |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 2:40:58 PM EDT
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Great advice.
I'm planning to purchase Springfield RO in Park finish. $695 is damn good price. Quote HistoryQuoted:
2 - Springfield Range Officer 9mm w/ Parkerized finish w/ black front sight - Lowest price I found was $695 This one and do nothing to it when you can out shoot the gun then you will know what it needs. throwing money at a pistol is a much lower return than learning how to shoot it. |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 2:44:32 PM EDT
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Well I'm a pistolsmith and I'd MUCH rather build a full Bullseye M9 than 1911. Barrel fitting on the Beretta is child's play compared to the 1911. Sear/hammer engagement is virtually the same. The AMU guns don't even use a cone barrel, rear fitting only and they straight up shoot lights out; pretty much own the 1911's. For serious bullseye shooting the M9 is cheaper, and will result in a more accurate pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you can find someone to set up a Beretta for you, it will compete with anything. However, good luck finding an experienced smith. You'll likely find someone who can tune a 1911 and it won't cost as much. Assuming adjustable sights are good to go, a basic trigger job and fitting a match bushing is all you'll need. So, you're also gonna need match 9mm ammo that your selected pistol likes. It's going to matter. Actually, 99% of shooters will do much better with a S&W Model 14 and wadcutters. And the 1911 should be in 45acp running match ammo. But we live in the age of tactical silliness so what the heck. That is still the biggest problem with Beretta's, great guns but for bullseye they still need $$ work, which is easier in a 1911. Why does the 1911 HAVE to be in 45? Most people are going to shoot the 9mm better. Well I'm a pistolsmith and I'd MUCH rather build a full Bullseye M9 than 1911. Barrel fitting on the Beretta is child's play compared to the 1911. Sear/hammer engagement is virtually the same. The AMU guns don't even use a cone barrel, rear fitting only and they straight up shoot lights out; pretty much own the 1911's. For serious bullseye shooting the M9 is cheaper, and will result in a more accurate pistol. Cool - do you have a website or business where you build bullseye M9s and how much? |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 2:51:03 PM EDT
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Why does the 1911 HAVE to be in 45? Most people are going to shoot the 9mm better. This is true for general shooting but for bullseye you're going to want match SWC ammo. |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 3:20:46 PM EDT
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Springfield Armory Range Officer 9mm
HK USP9 Expert |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 5:31:18 PM EDT
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A good thing to check before purchasing a firearm for competition is the rule book.
Here is the NRA Pistol Rule Book http://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/Pistol/pistol-book.pdf |
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Posted: 1/28/2016 9:58:46 PM EDT
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A good thing to check before purchasing a firearm for competition is the rule book. Here is the NRA Pistol Rule Book http://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/Pistol/pistol-book.pdf I agree with this, it may cause you to open up your mind to some options you hadn't previously considered. That being said you really can't go wrong with the Range Officer. 
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Posted: 1/28/2016 10:08:48 PM EDT
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+1 here. Many people are very successful with a Drop in match barrel, and Beretta Adjustable rear site to start and then add other things as well. If you start with a Brigadier it can take front and rear sites. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/eaglecp/Mobile%20Uploads/20160128_164912_zps4j4dsanm.jpg cp Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SERIOUSLY???? We're talking 9mm bullseye pistols and NOT ONE person mentions the pistol that holds all the US Bullseye records in 9mm??? Beretta 92FS/M9...HELLO!!! Buy the basic pistol and it shoot VERY well right out of the box. Add a custom barrel, barrel bushing, sights and a trigger job and you're set for ANY level of competition. +1 here. Many people are very successful with a Drop in match barrel, and Beretta Adjustable rear site to start and then add other things as well. If you start with a Brigadier it can take front and rear sites. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/eaglecp/Mobile%20Uploads/20160128_164912_zps4j4dsanm.jpg cp Did you build that yourself? What are the specs? What front sight is that? |
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