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Posted: 3/13/2005 1:23:34 PM EDT
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Very nice test.
glad to see how well these pistols did. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 2:53:33 PM EDT
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Dubb let you mess with his SA Pros?
 Gary's commentary, as usual, wasn't lacking. The USPF45 is your's now. HAHAHAHAHA! 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 4:15:25 PM EDT
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Take a wooden dowel & knock the rd back down into the cylinder enough to open the cylinder. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 4:17:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2005 4:23:11 PM EDT
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I dont have a way to post video.. unless I can snag my brothers fancy digi-cam.. but I might try something similar with my Subcompact and Service sized XD-9s this week... if I do I'll post my results.
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Posted: 3/13/2005 5:06:58 PM EDT
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The empty brass in the cylinder chamber is preventing the bullet from going back into the cylinder. The dowel actually just smashed the bullet once it hit the brass. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 5:16:29 PM EDT
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Notice the looser tolerance Kimber ran, but the tight Springfield Pro models went TU right away.
Of course, as everyone on the board knows, Kimbers are shit 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 5:21:17 PM EDT
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I notice you said cleaned and degreased. I take it you ran them dry then? Have you tried this experiment with a normally lubed pistol?
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Posted: 3/13/2005 5:23:22 PM EDT
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To be honest, I really didnt want the Kimber to work, and I didnt want to post the video of it working either  I noticed when cleaning, the cheapest one, that worked flawlessly, and had the LEAST amount of sand in it was the CZ. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 5:27:38 PM EDT
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I used compressed air to remove any stuff/dirt, and wipe away any extra lube. Each of these had the same amount of lube I would use. I guess "normally lubed" is up for debate. What I consider normal, most consider not at all. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 5:28:24 PM EDT
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Imagine that..... 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 5:41:06 PM EDT
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Speaking of which, did you happen to hear of the rusty G22 thread on GT? www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=355447 |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 5:58:49 PM EDT
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Read the thread. Still seems fake to me. Crappy pictures that look like I drew them with a crayon. And how is it the pistol stayed in the drain for 2 years? City doesn't clean their sewers? Funny how after 2 years, bad guys buddy knew Exactly where it was.
Anyways, back to this topic. How much sand did you have in the bucket. Would the shaking be comparable to buring the pistols in sand? Better your gun than mine
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Posted: 3/13/2005 6:15:22 PM EDT
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A man of integrity reveals the truth, whether they go against his biases or not. 
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Posted: 3/13/2005 6:16:24 PM EDT
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Im FAR more likely to have my handgun drop into a decent amount of dirt rather than having it buried. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 6:23:16 PM EDT
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I would figure that if it worked after a full dirtbath, it'd work after a spill.
Sorry if these Q's are answered in your vidoes, but.. <------ |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 6:48:55 PM EDT
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wow, i'm shocked over the USP results
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Posted: 3/13/2005 6:54:41 PM EDT
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Im offering free hugs to USP owners. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 6:59:42 PM EDT
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I was shocked yesterday when I did this to a USP Compact. Today was no surprise. Had I shaken the bucket the first time, I doubt it would have worked at all. The other guy basically just bounced the pistols in the sand - as you can see I slammed them from side to side as well. |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 11:30:18 PM EDT
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Great input here! I guess that is the pure "its a tool" mentality Yeager is always
talking about. Now- anybody who wants to do such a test comparing semi-auto carbines & rifles? 
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Posted: 3/14/2005 12:55:51 AM EDT
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One of the best threads I have ever seen. Thanks for the info. Wish I would have purchased a Kimber now and I am way glad I did not purchase a USP. Glad about the CZ-40 and would have expected the results of the glock.
 I am amazed that you are willing to do that with your pistols though.
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:13:21 AM EDT
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I hear this all the time, and am always amazed. Its a pistol, a tool, nothing else. What I did here was get them dirty in some sand. Big deal. The worst, most destructive, violent action you can do to a firearm is actually fire it! If you are afraid to drop your pistol on the pavement and kick it into a pile of dirt, you have no business carrying it. I think everyone should go looking for the limit of their weapons. Dubb took his PRO to Florida last year. He ASSumed if he dropped it on the beach it would still work. Now he knows. You should know your enviroment, and be ready for the worst. |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:13:58 AM EDT
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Will these 'sandblasted' pistols be for sale, at a discount?
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:24:02 AM EDT
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The G19 and 442 are my personal pistols, the Pros and the Glock 36 were Damians, I bought the HK USP from TheRicker(just for the test)and the rest came out of my used rack. They cleaned up just fine. For Sale: USP $675 w/night sights Glock 27 $475 w/night sights Kimber Custom II $600 CZ 40 $250 Kahr TP9 $325.00 Prices + actual shipping to your FFL in the 48. |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:28:20 AM EDT
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You said 'internal extractor' and I just assumed it was a series 1. A question out of ignorance: Exactly what is a SA 'pro'? I'm not familiar with that one. |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:32:37 AM EDT
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I have one(not used in test) in the EE
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:32:57 AM EDT
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Ah, glad to have my Kimber...
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:37:40 AM EDT
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I think someone should donate a FN Five Seven to the sand bucket.
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:43:36 AM EDT
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HK makes a fine rifle and sub gun but, their pistols are not worth the price tag. J |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:46:17 AM EDT
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Nice looking pistol..... I'm thinking about doing this with a couple, just for giggles. Do you think it was fair to clean/degrease them before the test? I'm thinking 1) test them in the condition you carry them in. For mine, that means clp on anything that can rust, and grease on anything that bears against another part. Also, 2) would it invalidate the test to put a rubber stopper in the barrel before the test? All it would do is keep sand out of the barrel, and sand in the barrel is highly unlikely to cause a stoppage, as the first round should blow it out (AFTER it gouges the bore...  ) |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:54:18 AM EDT
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Did I miss something? The SA Pro seems to go bang just fine in the video I watched.
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:55:21 AM EDT
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They were tested in "carry" condition. By clean, I meant, these were shot 100 times after being dropped int he mud the day before. Eack pistol was in the same condition of "clean". IMO, your theory of "clp on anything that can rust, and grease on anything that bears against another part" is insane.
Absolutely, you dont carry one with a bore plug do you? |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:55:43 AM EDT
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Check it again....the video I watched showed it fail every time. |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 6:59:04 AM EDT
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In my case, the slide is stainless, the frame is aluminum. I wipe the small parts w/ clp before reassembly (every 2000 rounds, whether it needs it or not  ) and grease the frame rails. Should have worded that differently I guess. You carry yours 'dry'? |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 7:00:03 AM EDT
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I just watched it again. Two shots and the video ends.
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Posted: 3/14/2005 7:00:14 AM EDT
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What video did you watch? 2 were tested twice. the first bound up after 2 shots second bound up after 1 shot both had to be taken apart to continue third took a bunch of dicking with to work fourth time worked like a charm(maybe the sand loosened it up  )I consider the Glock 36 and 27 a succss. They didnt go bang every time, but simply racking the slide put them back in action in a matter of seconds. |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 7:03:58 AM EDT
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Springfield Armory Pro]www.besthdw.com/sandbucket/SAPRO.mpg]Springfield Armory Pro I thought you just fired two shots and then the video ended. I guess it was more like two shots and then failure. |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 7:05:38 AM EDT
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If its a semi auto, it gets a drop on each frame rail, and 1 onto the sear/disconnect area if accessable. No need to oil anyplace else IMO. |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 7:09:04 AM EDT
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The true test of Bigbore would be a Wilson CQB.
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Posted: 3/14/2005 7:17:12 AM EDT
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The Wilson owners I know wouldnt participate. You saw how it was done, play sand, bucket shake roughly side to side and up and down - do it to yours and report back. 
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Posted: 3/14/2005 7:19:01 AM EDT
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Wow , I am amazed the HK did so poorly. From the research I did before purchase HK claimed they tourture tested the USP series. So is the Mark 23 SOCOM loser tolerances the the USP series. Or are the liable to jam as well ?
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Posted: 3/14/2005 7:20:27 AM EDT
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No, SOCOM doesn't tolerate losers, so they wouldn't have loser tolerances.
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Posted: 3/14/2005 10:03:15 AM EDT
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Hmm, I have a Mark 23 and live in Ohio. I'm halfway tempted to offer it up to BigBore to let him dunk it in the sand and see how it does.
And that CZ40 is so tempting too! I need more money :( |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 10:18:10 AM EDT
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Im going to have to find someone with a camera that does mpgs Its not like I have to worry about scratching my Wilson up. |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 10:21:31 AM EDT
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my camera records .mov video (no sound).
I may have to try this, just out of curiousity. |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 2:05:07 PM EDT
[#46]
Mine does, and we have some very nice sugar sand here at the beach. Let me know when your flight gets in so I can pick you up.
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Posted: 3/14/2005 2:23:59 PM EDT
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I shook the bucket very deliberately, so as to keep the muzzle of each gun pointed away from us--that is why you notice that I turn the bucket on several occasions. I have kids to worry about, and don't like guns pointed at me.
The failure of the PROs really doesn't bother me much, as they have a relatively low round count, and at this point, I am sure that a snug gun is better than a tight gun in these types of tests. I consider both of these tight. Steve, I took my Kobra and my customized Springfield to Florida last year, not the PRO. As I said during the test, I wish I still had the Kobra for the test. I think either of those guns would have faired well due to their less than tight fit. It pleases me that my back up (G36) performed well. Nothing like having a strong crutch, you know... Those of you in awe that someone would do this type of thing to their gun, don't think of it as sand, think of it as polishing compound!  Be well! |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 2:52:33 PM EDT
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STOP! Don't let the secret out until after I get some more CZ's! 
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Posted: 3/14/2005 9:50:44 PM EDT
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I have been considering the G-34, but I am a little leary of the open top slide. I would really like to see this test done with the 34/35. Anyone have one they would be willing to put to "the test?"
Cheers |
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Posted: 3/15/2005 12:18:11 AM EDT
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The best deal I ever got on a firearm. It is one of my favorites to shoot well worth every penny. |
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