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Posted: 7/20/2014 3:11:58 PM EDT
[#1]
I'd go with what you know and are use too. If no safety is good enough for carry it should be good enough for a bed side gun too.
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Posted: 7/20/2014 3:13:48 PM EDT
[#2]
no safety
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Posted: 7/20/2014 3:14:35 PM EDT
[#3]
Don't be pressured by the Glock Leg crowd. If you think a safety works better for you, just get it, and get comfortable with deactivating it.
Personally I don't like a safety, but like a pistol with a hammer on it so I can have my thumb on the hammer and know nothing unexpected is happening as I reach for the gun or holster it. |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 4:53:49 PM EDT
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You are the best safety.
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Posted: 7/20/2014 5:17:39 PM EDT
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I'm a guy that happens to prefer thumb safeties - it's a byproduct of having shot single actions more than anything else for a good 20 plus years.
That being said, since you carry and are presumably mentally and physically conditioned to use a gun without one, I wouldn't do it. A bump in the night is not the time to be trying to remember to add a unique step into your manipulation of a firearm. Consistency is simple, simple is good. |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 5:23:09 PM EDT
[#6]
No safety. Don't over think it keep the same manual of arms.
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Posted: 7/20/2014 5:48:15 PM EDT
[#7]
Leave the chamber empty and rack it when you have the proper grip.
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Posted: 7/20/2014 7:42:27 PM EDT
[#8]
The M&P safety is tiny and not positive enough. And I can't think of anything more confusing than having similar guns with a different manual of arms.
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Posted: 7/20/2014 8:07:42 PM EDT
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Go with your muscle memory.
I am so used to shooting safety equipped pistols that I try to sweep the safety off on my non-safety equipped pistols. 
I strongly prefer 1911 and CZ75 pistols, but I carry a non-safety equipped M&P at work. I still try to sweep the safety off on every draw of that M&P... It's habit. 
If you are not in that habit, a thumb safety could cost you critical factions of a second. |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 8:10:46 PM EDT
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I used to think a manual safety was a big deal breaker. While I still don't own one, actually yes I do - an anniversary Colt 1911 but it's range use only, since I've been doing 3-gun and my carbine and shotgun have manual safeties, I'm confident I could adjust if I had to.
So my answer would've been "no safety" several years ago, now I'll say "whatever works best for you." |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 9:04:17 PM EDT
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I'm a guy that happens to prefer thumb safeties - it's a byproduct of having shot single actions more than anything else for a good 20 plus years. That being said, since you carry and are presumably mentally and physically conditioned to use a gun without one, I wouldn't do it. A bump in the night is not the time to be trying to remember to add a unique step into your manipulation of a firearm. Consistency is simple, simple is good. I agree with this entirely. My nightstand gun is a 1911, and that is what I normally carry. If you normally carry a gun without a thumb safety then keep the nightstand gun in a holster and get one without a thumb safety. |
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Posted: 7/20/2014 10:36:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The M&P safety is tiny and not positive enough. And I can't think of anything more confusing than having similar guns with a different manual of arms. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:21:06 AM EDT
[#13]
Thank you everyone
I'll go w/o to keep things the same I recently had a dream where I had a bad situation and needed to shoot but couldn't seem to get the trigger to pull no matter how hard I tried. I appreciate your replies. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 5:38:09 AM EDT
[#14]
No safety.
Why the hell do you think that you will ND under stress? Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. You are much more likely to forget to take the safety off under stress. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:03:54 AM EDT
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I pulled my safety off of my M&P before I left the gun store.
Use a good holster |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:44:34 PM EDT
[#16]
For a carry gun I like to have a safety if its a option.
In case of gun grab the extra second may help you draw your bug also a fan of mag safety like on the 3rd gen S&W one of the best LE pistols made |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:45:27 PM EDT
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No safety. Why the hell do you think that you will ND under stress? Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. You are much more likely to forget to take the safety off under stress. strange I was taught the safety is for when bad guys grab your pistol. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 1:40:42 PM EDT
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For a carry gun I like to have a safety if its a option. In case of gun grab the extra second may help you draw your bug also a fan of mag safety like on the 3rd gen S&W one of the best LE pistols made One of the best pistols made period |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:58:22 PM EDT
[#19]
Thumb safety, but I like my single actions.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:11:57 PM EDT
[#20]
Safety or no safety makes no difference to me.
I just don't use it on my shield(but if I wanted it I got it), my other MP's don't have them. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:51:49 PM EDT
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I'm a guy that happens to prefer thumb safeties - it's a byproduct of having shot single actions more than anything else for a good 20 plus years. That being said, since you carry and are presumably mentally and physically conditioned to use a gun without one, I wouldn't do it. A bump in the night is not the time to be trying to remember to add a unique step into your manipulation of a firearm. Consistency is simple, simple is good. This logic is what kept me focused while waiting for the safey-less Shield. Now I have it and I am glad I did. Several times, I almost gave in and got the model with the safety....but that little voice that I've learned to listen to kept repeating what Mister-Z said damn near verbatim. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:41:49 PM EDT
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This logic is what kept me focused while waiting for the safey-less Shield. Now I have it and I am glad I did. Several times, I almost gave in and got the model with the safety....but that little voice that I've learned to listen to kept repeating what Mister-Z said damn near verbatim. I don't follow the logic. The "safetyless" shield is just the same shield without the safety. Internally it's no different. Just because the safety lever is there does not mean you have to use it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 5:39:44 AM EDT
[#23]
My personal opinion? No safety model with a Vanguard covering the trigger guard attached to the nightstand. Grab the pistol and it'll come off on its own.
http://raven-concealment-systems1.mybigcommerce.com/vanguard-2-lanyard-kit/ |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:34:38 AM EDT
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My personal opinion? No safety model with a Vanguard covering the trigger guard attached to the nightstand. Grab the pistol and it'll come off on its own. http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/n-63unu/uxoc9dc/products/90/images/439/RCS1__90321.1405320641.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 http://raven-concealment-systems1.mybigcommerce.com/vanguard-2-lanyard-kit/ Excellent Just what I was looking for, don't have to worry about getting ahold of the trigger in the dark.. Picked up the new 45 today, no safety. Can't wait to get home and give it a go. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:05:39 PM EDT
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I recently had a dream where I had a bad situation and needed to shoot but couldn't seem to get the trigger to pull no matter how hard I tried. As well... I vote for same manual of arms in HD and SD guns. Recreational pieces, doesn't matter. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:31:06 PM EDT
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I'd go with what you know and are use too. If no safety is good enough for carry it should be good enough for a bed side gun too. We have a winner here! |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:55:01 PM EDT
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The M&P safety is tiny and not positive enough. And I can't think of anything more confusing than having similar guns with a different manual of arms. I agree with you Ken and I totally get what your saying above... But most of us that have 1911's; also have pistols like M&P's (sans safety) & Glocks too, that differ in manual of arms. I use an M&P40c for carry 99% of the time, an M&P40 (midsize) for upstairs/nightstand, and a 1911 for the downstairs home defense pistol rotation. It hasn't caused me any problems when drawing/firing/IDPA but I also train 1-2+ times a month with each style of pistol along with my AR's. If I didn't have a special place in my heart for a 1911 my handguns would all be DAO without safeties however... OP, I don't know what to tell you other than you can have an M&P with a safety if you want with other guns that don't but you need to practice with all of them. It would be better to either all pistols have safeties, or not have any handguns with safeties and train the same for manual of arms I feel like. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:11:51 PM EDT
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I am used to 1911's and Hi Powers, so I say safety for me. Since you are used to pistols without a safety, I say stick with what you are used to.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:43:30 PM EDT
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My personal opinion? No safety model with a Vanguard covering the trigger guard attached to the nightstand. Grab the pistol and it'll come off on its own. http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/n-63unu/uxoc9dc/products/90/images/439/RCS1__90321.1405320641.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 http://raven-concealment-systems1.mybigcommerce.com/vanguard-2-lanyard-kit/ Or if you use a light, get an Armordillo Concealment X-Fer. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:28:19 AM EDT
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I would not even consider leaving a striker fired gun with no safety loaded and unholstered on or in a night stand.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:53:00 AM EDT
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Or if you use a light, get an Armordillo Concealment X-Fer. http://cdn3.volusion.com/dgfyw.yxpnt/v/vspfiles/photos/X-FER-2.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My personal opinion? No safety model with a Vanguard covering the trigger guard attached to the nightstand. Grab the pistol and it'll come off on its own. http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/n-63unu/uxoc9dc/products/90/images/439/RCS1__90321.1405320641.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 http://raven-concealment-systems1.mybigcommerce.com/vanguard-2-lanyard-kit/ Or if you use a light, get an Armordillo Concealment X-Fer. http://cdn3.volusion.com/dgfyw.yxpnt/v/vspfiles/photos/X-FER-2.jpg I have a custom made IWB-L that Tony JM made me for my P30S 9mm / TLR-1. how well does this holster work when carried most of the day. Is it rugged enough. what about re holstering? |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 4:25:55 AM EDT
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OP should have clarified "manual" safety because all firearms have safety features. Even a holster has a
safety feature on it. I myself do not own a handgun that has a manual safety and all of my "out of safe" pistols are chambered. That said, I'm going to dice it up a little. Does the 92FS have a safety or a decocker? Was it designed to be carried with the firing pin active or not active? |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:34:35 AM EDT
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OP should have clarified "manual" safety because all firearms have safety features. Even a holster has a safety feature on it. I myself do not own a handgun that has a manual safety and all of my "out of safe" pistols are chambered. That said, I'm going to dice it up a little. Does the 92FS have a safety or a decocker? Was it designed to be carried with the firing pin active or not active? The 92 has both a safety AND a decocker. It's up to you decide how you want to use it. Also you're the first person to say he should have clarified "manual" safety. No need to be a term Nazi. Everyone else obviously understood. Edit: to address the OPs question. I don't get why everyone feels so strongly about having the same manual of arms on a pistol. Does your AR and shotgun have the same manual of arms? No, training is what matters. Same goes for retention holsters and/or pistol safeties. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 8:58:22 AM EDT
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I grew up shooting 1911s.
I prefer a safety. But it is not something that would turn me off to a pistol if it did not have a safety. I own Glocks as well Biggest reason I prefer safeties is so I can ride my thumb on top of it. It gets me higher on the gun I would never want a slide mounted safety though |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 9:31:26 PM EDT
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Manual safeties are not there to prevent the operator from pulling the trigger when they didn't mean to. It's there to prevent a mechanical failure from causing a discharge, or a foreign object from pulling the trigger.
If you need a manual safety to prevent yourself from pulling the trigger when you didn't really mean to, then what you need isn't a manual safety, it's more or better training. I know these thoughts never go over well, but it's the truth.
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Posted: 7/27/2014 4:21:30 AM EDT
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The 92 has both a safety AND a decocker. It's up to you decide how you want to use it. Also you're the first person to say he should have clarified "manual" safety. No need to be a term Nazi. Everyone else obviously understood. Edit: to address the OPs question. I don't get why everyone feels so strongly about having the same manual of arms on a pistol. Does your AR and shotgun have the same manual of arms? No, training is what matters. Same goes for retention holsters and/or pistol safeties. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP should have clarified "manual" safety because all firearms have safety features. Even a holster has a safety feature on it. I myself do not own a handgun that has a manual safety and all of my "out of safe" pistols are chambered. That said, I'm going to dice it up a little. Does the 92FS have a safety or a decocker? Was it designed to be carried with the firing pin active or not active? The 92 has both a safety AND a decocker. It's up to you decide how you want to use it. Also you're the first person to say he should have clarified "manual" safety. No need to be a term Nazi. Everyone else obviously understood. Edit: to address the OPs question. I don't get why everyone feels so strongly about having the same manual of arms on a pistol. Does your AR and shotgun have the same manual of arms? No, training is what matters. Same goes for retention holsters and/or pistol safeties. A term Nazi? That's a new one and maybe I was being a little obtuse but I was making a point and I have news for you, nothing is obvious these days. The 92 was designed to have a decocker and carried in double action. The military was responsible for turning that decocker into a safety and started requiring servicemen to carry the firearm with the decocker engaged. Now that's not to say that some paranoid uneducated person may want to use the decocker as a safety but it's not how the firearm was designed. |
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Posted: 7/27/2014 8:05:17 AM EDT
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A term Nazi? That's a new one and maybe I was being a little obtuse but I was making a point and I have news for you, nothing is obvious these days. The 92 was designed to have a decocker and carried in double action. The military was responsible for turning that decocker into a safety and started requiring servicemen to carry the firearm with the decocker engaged. Now that's not to say that some paranoid uneducated person may want to use the decocker as a safety but it's not how the firearm was designed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP should have clarified "manual" safety because all firearms have safety features. Even a holster has a safety feature on it. I myself do not own a handgun that has a manual safety and all of my "out of safe" pistols are chambered. That said, I'm going to dice it up a little. Does the 92FS have a safety or a decocker? Was it designed to be carried with the firing pin active or not active? The 92 has both a safety AND a decocker. It's up to you decide how you want to use it. Also you're the first person to say he should have clarified "manual" safety. No need to be a term Nazi. Everyone else obviously understood. Edit: to address the OPs question. I don't get why everyone feels so strongly about having the same manual of arms on a pistol. Does your AR and shotgun have the same manual of arms? No, training is what matters. Same goes for retention holsters and/or pistol safeties. A term Nazi? That's a new one and maybe I was being a little obtuse but I was making a point and I have news for you, nothing is obvious these days. The 92 was designed to have a decocker and carried in double action. The military was responsible for turning that decocker into a safety and started requiring servicemen to carry the firearm with the decocker engaged. Now that's not to say that some paranoid uneducated person may want to use the decocker as a safety but it's not how the firearm was designed. Agreed, however not exactly relevant to the OPs question. That's a whole different topic and I don't want to hijack this thread. And my apologies for the nazi comment. It just bugs me when people correct people over the smallest things that really aren't necessary. It turns people away from websites like this where the extremely knowledgeable folks can help those that need it. Be tactful not an asshole. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 4:16:46 AM EDT
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Agreed, however not exactly relevant to the OPs question. That's a whole different topic and I don't want to hijack this thread. And my apologies for the nazi comment. It just bugs me when people correct people over the smallest things that really aren't necessary. It turns people away from websites like this where the extremely knowledgeable folks can help those that need it. Be tactful not an asshole. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP should have clarified "manual" safety because all firearms have safety features. Even a holster has a safety feature on it. I myself do not own a handgun that has a manual safety and all of my "out of safe" pistols are chambered. That said, I'm going to dice it up a little. Does the 92FS have a safety or a decocker? Was it designed to be carried with the firing pin active or not active? The 92 has both a safety AND a decocker. It's up to you decide how you want to use it. Also you're the first person to say he should have clarified "manual" safety. No need to be a term Nazi. Everyone else obviously understood. Edit: to address the OPs question. I don't get why everyone feels so strongly about having the same manual of arms on a pistol. Does your AR and shotgun have the same manual of arms? No, training is what matters. Same goes for retention holsters and/or pistol safeties. A term Nazi? That's a new one and maybe I was being a little obtuse but I was making a point and I have news for you, nothing is obvious these days. The 92 was designed to have a decocker and carried in double action. The military was responsible for turning that decocker into a safety and started requiring servicemen to carry the firearm with the decocker engaged. Now that's not to say that some paranoid uneducated person may want to use the decocker as a safety but it's not how the firearm was designed. Agreed, however not exactly relevant to the OPs question. That's a whole different topic and I don't want to hijack this thread. And my apologies for the nazi comment. It just bugs me when people correct people over the smallest things that really aren't necessary. It turns people away from websites like this where the extremely knowledgeable folks can help those that need it. Be tactful not an asshole. Safetys are a touchy subject with me. It drives me crazy that supposed "responsible" gun owners think they are going to pull a firearm out in a high stress situation, rack the slide, flip the safety off and proceed to defend themselves. Hell some guns won't even rack with the safety on. Handling of any firearm has to be a muscle memory process. If a safety is going to be used, it needs to be coordinated and practiced EVERY time the firearm is used. A safety can't be used indiscriminately, otherwise when the time comes, one is going to "forget" and then it's too late. That's not to say that there aren't those that will be able to perform flawlessly using a safety, but the majority of those out there carrying firearms, do so, without the confidence in themselves and/or the firearm they are carrying. Hence the simplicity of a revolver. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 5:27:47 AM EDT
[#39]
Nein. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:20:50 AM EDT
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<a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tboneguy915/media/A62FEB80-D2F3-461E-B4F2-501E7827E8B4_zpsuclzt4ub.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/tboneguy915/A62FEB80-D2F3-461E-B4F2-501E7827E8B4_zpsuclzt4ub.jpg</a> Nein. "Day 32: They still have no idea I'm not actually a sheep." |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:32:54 AM EDT
[#41]
no safety
good poll... |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 6:46:30 AM EDT
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<a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tboneguy915/media/A62FEB80-D2F3-461E-B4F2-501E7827E8B4_zpsuclzt4ub.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/tboneguy915/A62FEB80-D2F3-461E-B4F2-501E7827E8B4_zpsuclzt4ub.jpg</a> Nein. "Day 32: They still have no idea I'm not actually a sheep." That picture is from another thread where someone said that if you shoot Glocks "you'll hate" the Shield and not be able to shoot it well. |
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Posted: 7/28/2014 7:09:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2014 7:51:26 AM EDT
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I like the safety on my 1911's, makes for a good thumb rest. On my M&P not so much, so no safety on my M&P 9mm. Best safety is always trigger finger control.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 7:05:29 PM EDT
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My personal opinion? No safety model with a Vanguard covering the trigger guard attached to the nightstand. Grab the pistol and it'll come off on its own. http://cdn1.bigcommerce.com/n-63unu/uxoc9dc/products/90/images/439/RCS1__90321.1405320641.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 http://raven-concealment-systems1.mybigcommerce.com/vanguard-2-lanyard-kit/ Huh, I always kind of laughed at these as an IWB holster option, but as a tether that pops off to expose the trigger upon drawing from a bag or drawer... now that is a good use. |
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