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Tag for updates on FTF/FTE with different ammo types. Is the trigger more like the M&P or like the Glock? The M&P trigger had the safety a little too low to where I had to slide my finger down on the trigger before pulling.
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Excellent review, thank you. I look forward to seeing this in a subcompact size.
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Personally, I don't care for the rear sight. Other than that it looks very promising. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thank you for the review. Personally, I don't care for the rear sight. Other than that it looks very promising. Genuine Novak rear sight. Hopefully a "wedge" rear sight will soon follow. |
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Genuine Novak rear sight. Hopefully a "wedge" rear sight will soon follow. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thank you for the review. Personally, I don't care for the rear sight. Other than that it looks very promising. Genuine Novak rear sight. Hopefully a "wedge" rear sight will soon follow. That's what I would hope for. Doesn't the Novak cut make it difficult to find rear sights because of the width? |
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Tag for updates on FTF/FTE with different ammo types. Is the trigger more like the M&P or like the Glock? The M&P trigger had the safety a little too low to where I had to slide my finger down on the trigger before pulling. View Quote The trigger operates like the Glock in that it has a "knife blade" running down its face. Pressure anywhere along the blade should work to release the trigger. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Here's retired Border Patrol Agent Ed Head's take:
http://www.downrange.tv/blog/ruger-american-pistols/36322/ Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Until the firearm itself AND the magazines pass Larry Vickers Glock torture test, no. Magazines have always been a weak link and can make a great gun run like shit.
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Great. Now I've got to consider another gun. I've been looking for a full size double stack 9mm that fits nice in my hand and will hit what I'm aiming at. I had pretty much decided to get a Glock 19 gen 4, but will have to wait till I can handle one of these now.
I started with a CZ 75c clone that felt great in my hand, but I wasn't very accurate with it. Traded for an m&p that I really just don't like. Doesn't fit my hand well and as a result, is not very accurate for me. I thought a g19 gen 4 would be a good next step, but now that will have to wait. I have small hands and shoot smaller guns well. All of my other pistols are single stacks. Yeah, I'm that guy that buys SM size gloves, SM to M jackets, and likes youth sized rifles... |
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Great. Now I've got to consider another gun. I've been looking for a full size double stack 9mm that fits nice in my hand and will hit what I'm aiming at. I had pretty much decided to get a Glock 19 gen 4, but will have to wait till I can handle one of these now. I started with a CZ 75c clone that felt great in my hand, but I wasn't very accurate with it. Traded for an m&p that I really just don't like. Doesn't fit my hand well and as a result, is not very accurate for me. I thought a g19 gen 4 would be a good next step, but now that will have to wait. I have small hands and shoot smaller guns well. All of my other pistols are single stacks. Yeah, I'm that guy that buys SM size gloves, SM to M jackets, and likes youth sized rifles... View Quote Have you considered the SIG P320? |
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Great review, thanks.
Glad to see Ruger still in the game. Txl |
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Here's retired Border Patrol Agent Ed Head's take: http://www.downrange.tv/blog/ruger-american-pistols/36322/ Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote Made hot Eta, can someone get them to match champion the new gp100 in .22or? Txl |
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That's what I would hope for. Doesn't the Novak cut make it difficult to find rear sights because of the width? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thank you for the review. Personally, I don't care for the rear sight. Other than that it looks very promising. Genuine Novak rear sight. Hopefully a "wedge" rear sight will soon follow. That's what I would hope for. Doesn't the Novak cut make it difficult to find rear sights because of the width? Ruger is supposed to have tritium, plain black, and some kind of bar dot sight sets available for sale very soon. Hopefully someone like Trijicon will come along quickly with their HD's and/or AmeriGlo will make some aftermarket sights. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Great. Now I've got to consider another gun. I've been looking for a full size double stack 9mm that fits nice in my hand and will hit what I'm aiming at. I had pretty much decided to get a Glock 19 gen 4, but will have to wait till I can handle one of these now. I started with a CZ 75c clone that felt great in my hand, but I wasn't very accurate with it. Traded for an m&p that I really just don't like. Doesn't fit my hand well and as a result, is not very accurate for me. I thought a g19 gen 4 would be a good next step, but now that will have to wait. I have small hands and shoot smaller guns well. All of my other pistols are single stacks. Yeah, I'm that guy that buys SM size gloves, SM to M jackets, and likes youth sized rifles... Have you considered the SIG P320? Will add that to the list now too. |
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Ruger is supposed to have tritium, plain black, and some kind of bar dot sight sets available for sale very soon. Hopefully someone like Trijicon will come along quickly with their HD's and/or AmeriGlo will make some aftermarket sights. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thank you for the review. Personally, I don't care for the rear sight. Other than that it looks very promising. Genuine Novak rear sight. Hopefully a "wedge" rear sight will soon follow. That's what I would hope for. Doesn't the Novak cut make it difficult to find rear sights because of the width? Ruger is supposed to have tritium, plain black, and some kind of bar dot sight sets available for sale very soon. Hopefully someone like Trijicon will come along quickly with their HD's and/or AmeriGlo will make some aftermarket sights. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I was thinking of a racking ledge on the rear sight more than anything. Night sights are great, but clearing malfunctions one-handed and keeping the gun running is paramount to me. I hope they get it right. JMO |
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Great. Now I've got to consider another gun. I've been looking for a full size double stack 9mm that fits nice in my hand and will hit what I'm aiming at. I had pretty much decided to get a Glock 19 gen 4, but will have to wait till I can handle one of these now. I started with a CZ 75c clone that felt great in my hand, but I wasn't very accurate with it. Traded for an m&p that I really just don't like. Doesn't fit my hand well and as a result, is not very accurate for me. I thought a g19 gen 4 would be a good next step, but now that will have to wait. I have small hands and shoot smaller guns well. All of my other pistols are single stacks. Yeah, I'm that guy that buys SM size gloves, SM to M jackets, and likes youth sized rifles... View Quote How much are you shooting the 75 & m&p before deciding you're inaccurate with them? More than a couple range trips? Comfort while fondling and accuracy don't necessarily correlate. |
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How much are you shooting the 75 & m&p before deciding you're inaccurate with them? More than a couple range trips? Comfort while fondling and accuracy don't necessarily correlate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Great. Now I've got to consider another gun. I've been looking for a full size double stack 9mm that fits nice in my hand and will hit what I'm aiming at. I had pretty much decided to get a Glock 19 gen 4, but will have to wait till I can handle one of these now. I started with a CZ 75c clone that felt great in my hand, but I wasn't very accurate with it. Traded for an m&p that I really just don't like. Doesn't fit my hand well and as a result, is not very accurate for me. I thought a g19 gen 4 would be a good next step, but now that will have to wait. I have small hands and shoot smaller guns well. All of my other pistols are single stacks. Yeah, I'm that guy that buys SM size gloves, SM to M jackets, and likes youth sized rifles... How much are you shooting the 75 & m&p before deciding you're inaccurate with them? More than a couple range trips? Comfort while fondling and accuracy don't necessarily correlate. Maybe 500 over 3 trips through the CZ clone. Can't remember for sure. The clone had a pretty heavy trigger. That could be fixed with parts, but I over payed for it already and didn't want to throw any more money at it. Only about 200 on 1 trip through the M&P. I really wasn't a fan of the M&P from the get go, but I was trading up and had to do a bit of driving to do the deal. So I went through with it. The M&P really doesn't fit me at all. If I pick it up a dozen times, I end up with a dozen different grips. None of them give me any confidence that I have full control over it. With very, very, slow, deliberate firing, I could hit my mark. No good for self defense, and no fun at the range. |
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Grab A Gun has them listed on their site for $473.84. Was hoping they would be closer to $399
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I was thinking of a racking ledge on the rear sight more than anything. Night sights are great, but clearing malfunctions one-handed and keeping the gun running is paramount to me. I hope they get it right. JMO View Quote Yes me too. I see now that I posted wedge. I meant to say ledge. That's why I'm hoping we'll see some HD's or something at least similar in shape to the newer M&P rears. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Yes me too. I see now that I posted wedge. I meant to say ledge. That's why I'm hoping we'll see some HD's or something at least similar in shape to the newer M&P rears. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was thinking of a racking ledge on the rear sight more than anything. Night sights are great, but clearing malfunctions one-handed and keeping the gun running is paramount to me. I hope they get it right. JMO Yes me too. I see now that I posted wedge. I meant to say ledge. That's why I'm hoping we'll see some HD's or something at least similar in shape to the newer M&P rears. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I like block-type rear sights. I have friends and students who buy handguns with Novak-style sights and they are dismayed because they can't get mainstream rear sights because of the wide dovetail cut. I have never seen the need for the "Ski Ramp" type of sights. I have several handguns and not one has those style of sights. I carry several different handguns on occasion wearing different garments, and I have never found a need for Novak's, and none of my rear sights have ever snagged or caught on my garments. Hammers are a different issue, though. I don't see the popularity for those style of sights. C'mon Ruger. Get it right! |
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If it's going to be priced in the $450+ range, and the mags are $40+, it's going to struggle against Glock. Say whatever you like about Glock, but it's one of the most reliable and durable pistols ever made. You don't get to be at the top of the mountain because you suck. While the Ruger doesn't appear to be horrible, I don't see where it provides anything innovative or better over a Glock or M&P that are similarly priced.
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Took that off my next buy list. Won't buy any pistol with mag prices like that. Txl View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Extra mags are $44.95 from shopruger.com Took that off my next buy list. Won't buy any pistol with mag prices like that. Txl Yep I'm with you not when I can get Glock mags for $20 or Magpul copies for $15 |
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Took that off my next buy list. Won't buy any pistol with mag prices like that. Txl View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Extra mags are $44.95 from shopruger.com Took that off my next buy list. Won't buy any pistol with mag prices like that. Txl Mags are fairly pricey but they're extremely nice quality. They load easily to full capacity and seat almost effortlessly in the gun on an in-battery slide. They have a nickel teflon coating inside and out and have no visible weld seams. The only thing I wonder about are the base plates and plate retainers. These are plastic and are "old school" stuff with just a round stud that retains the plate. Will the base plates pop off when dropped on a hard surface? Will the plates pop off if the shooter seats a mag aggressively with most of his seating force being applied to the back edge of the plate? We don't have answers yet. Anyway, I'm guessing the mag prices will be a bit better when they are available from Midway, Brownell's, etc. |
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I have an SR9 and love it. This looks like the 22 just larger and I agree the grip and rear section kind of ruin it for me in that it looks very "high point" like.
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My first thought when I saw this was how long until Magpul makes grip panels for it?
PS Ruger keeps stating the bore axis is low. Sure doesn't look like it. ????? |
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Looks good.
Ruger mag prices at their site, are basically msrp. They will be cheaper, but not lower twenty dollar range, like the Glocks, and probably not even in the mid twenty range, like the M&P. I understand why they make the mag baseplates like they do, but all these make the gun taller than it needs to be. |
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I thought that the M&P pistols were the "Glock Killer"
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Really cool!
Huge fan of Ruger, glad they stepped things up from the SR disaster! Excited to see this, great review as well! |
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Interesting. It reminds me of a more modernized take on the Steyr M9A1. http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/8647152023/9054496/dsc_4056.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg View Quote First thing that came to my mind as well . I am going back 3 or 4 years when I was helping a buddy in his shop and along with the Steyr there was a Walther that was so close in design and shape we thought they might have been made in the same factory . I do believe the magazines were slightly different in shape but seemed to be interchangeable . by that they could be swapped but we never test fired them . Seems like we found a third brand in a catalog that was also a dead ringer Looked like decent pistols but had way too many levers and buttons on the side . (yes I am a Glock guy) There are a lot of guys who will buy this gun just because it is a Ruger but I really can't see it "killing" the Glock Yeah I know there is a bunch of folks who for one reason or another don't like Glocks but the Glocks are pretty much the universal firearm that works very well , is reasonably priced , has lots of models and tremendous factory support |
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Thank you for the very comprehensive review. Appreciate the effort. The only characteristic I'd be keen to try is the trigger pull. If not better than the Glock - then, well..... Seems the pistol is a lot of answers to problems I didn't have. Full disclosure; I judge Rugers harshly. Ray |
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Sr series and the lcps are pos. They go down all the time in our rental fleet. Their construction is shoddy with weak parts that break easily. I won't recommend any to my students
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There are a lot of guys who will buy this gun just because it is a Ruger but I really can't see it "killing" the Glock Yeah I know there is a bunch of folks who for one reason or another don't like Glocks but the Glocks are pretty much the universal firearm that works very well , is reasonably priced , has lots of models and tremendous factory support View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting. It reminds me of a more modernized take on the Steyr M9A1. http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/8647152023/9054496/dsc_4056.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg There are a lot of guys who will buy this gun just because it is a Ruger but I really can't see it "killing" the Glock Yeah I know there is a bunch of folks who for one reason or another don't like Glocks but the Glocks are pretty much the universal firearm that works very well , is reasonably priced , has lots of models and tremendous factory support I'll probably buy one at some point, but it won't kill my Glocks. I like Glock and Ruger both, and have some of each. Both are HUGELY successful gun companies, maybe even the top two in the world. I am certain I haven't bought my last Ruger, or Glock. Not even close. I'm looking forward to shooting one of these Rugers. I do think they could easily improve on Glock's trigger. |
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I'll probably buy one at some point, but it won't kill my Glocks. I like Glock and Ruger both, and have some of each. Both are HUGELY successful gun companies, maybe even the top two in the world. I am certain I haven't bought my last Ruger, or Glock. Not even close. I'm looking forward to shooting one of these Rugers. I do think they could easily improve on Glock's trigger. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting. It reminds me of a more modernized take on the Steyr M9A1. http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/8647152023/9054496/dsc_4056.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg There are a lot of guys who will buy this gun just because it is a Ruger but I really can't see it "killing" the Glock Yeah I know there is a bunch of folks who for one reason or another don't like Glocks but the Glocks are pretty much the universal firearm that works very well , is reasonably priced , has lots of models and tremendous factory support I'll probably buy one at some point, but it won't kill my Glocks. I like Glock and Ruger both, and have some of each. Both are HUGELY successful gun companies, maybe even the top two in the world. I am certain I haven't bought my last Ruger, or Glock. Not even close. I'm looking forward to shooting one of these Rugers. I do think they could easily improve on Glock's trigger. That's one of the things I like about the Steyr M9a1. It comes with a really nice trigger. I think it was hickok45 who remarked that he, "couldn't ask for a much better trigger," in reference to the Steyr. Certainly not as nice as a 1911 trigger, of course, but for a striker fired handgun, the Steyr does pretty well. |
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OP, Thank you for the very comprehensive review. Appreciate the effort. The only characteristic I'd be keen to try is the trigger pull. If not better than the Glock - then, well..... Seems the pistol is a lot of answers to problems I didn't have. Full disclosure; I judge Rugers harshly. Ray View Quote The trigger is very good for a striker-fired pistol. It has minimal creep and breaks fairly cleanly at the end of its travel. It also has very little overtravel thanks to a built-in stop in the frame. Reset is a little long and somewhat indistinct (it has gotten better after some use) but isn't anything a person won't get used to after a box or two of ammo. |
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