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Posted: 11/11/2010 9:44:06 AM EDT
If you guys know me; then you know I love East Bloc AK optics.  I came across some new (or new to me) Belarus scopes that look very interesting.  First for all you guys who want a co-witness - is this one piece (a factor I really like) PK-01VS:

http://lemt.ns1.activeby.net/page_product_eng.php?id_p=182

More pics at the link





Looks like they are finally updating their product line.

Second and what I really like is this 4x17 optical sight that is more compact and functional it would seem than a POSP for example.  It can be rail mounted or attached to the side mount shown.  It looks really cool:

http://lemt.ns1.activeby.net/page_product_eng.php?id_p=202

More pics at the link




Their are some other cool scopes on their main page here:

http://lemt.ns1.activeby.net/pricely_eng.php?pc=1

I am going to email Eastwave to see if they do or will be able to provide these products, since they deal a lot with the Belarus companies like BelOMO etc.  

Cheers.
Link Posted: 11/11/2010 1:43:58 PM EDT
[#1]
Pretty cool

I'm definately interested in getting the PK01VS just for the nifty factor even though I have too many optics already




Z
Link Posted: 11/11/2010 1:54:37 PM EDT
[#2]
Im interested in purchasing both.  Please keep us posted if they can get them. Nice find.
Link Posted: 11/11/2010 1:57:51 PM EDT
[#3]
Actually your right TX.  If I got one it would be the PK-01VS, as I have way too many magnified optics as is.

Did you see the periscope version.  No need for it at all, but it is pretty cool.  That cheek rest is cool too and seems to be specifically made for the triangle stocks.



Link Posted: 11/11/2010 2:42:10 PM EDT
[#4]
Dude...that periscope is actually waaaaaaaaaay effin cool lol...AWESOME!

I have no use for that either but it made me smile. I'm also a big fan of Russian optics and I enjoy seeing the stuff they come up with. Cheekpad is cool but I'll probably stick with the SVD if I need one, its got that old school retro feel to it like you just ripped off some poor Dragunov owner


There'sa lot of little interesting stuff going on in that pic too...looks like a Russian made railed HG (more angular it seems and different looking finish than the LHV47), rail mount under the gas block and a pin to pull the cleaning rod out maybe. I guess they figure with corrosive ammo they have to be able to do a speed clean during the heat of battle
(or its to keep it in place, I dunno


Interesting photos


eta
And holy sh*t that looks like a 20 round 5.45 mag!



Z
Link Posted: 11/11/2010 2:51:19 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Dude...that periscope is actually waaaaaaaaaay effin cool lol...AWESOME!

I have no use for that either but it made me smile. I'm also a big fan of Russian optics and I enjoy seeing the stuff they come up with. Cheekpad is cool but I'll probably stick with the SVD if I need one, its got that old school retro feel to it like you just ripped off some poor Dragunov owner


There'sa lot of little interesting stuff going on in that pic too...looks like a Russian made railed HG (more angular it seems and different looking finish than the LHV47), rail mount under the gas block and a pin to pull the cleaning rod out maybe. I guess they figure with corrosive ammo they have to be able to do a speed clean during the heat of battle
(or its to keep it in place, I dunno


Interesting photos


eta
And holy sh*t that looks like a 20 round 5.45 mag!



Z


LOL, I did not even notice that magazine.  Kalinka sells that handguard now but it is $99.

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/firearm-accessories/ak-vepr-saiga-slr/ak-vs-and-saiga-forend.html

They also sell that new PG that is adjustable to plates so there is no overhang and it sits flush to the receiver if larger than the plate.  

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/firearm-accessories/ak-vepr-saiga-slr/ak-and-saiga-swept-pistol-grip.html

Seems we are starting to see more Russian stuff come around.
Link Posted: 11/11/2010 2:57:37 PM EDT
[#6]
Wow 99 bucks

On the other hand I'm really tempted...love the LHV47 but a Russian made version would be cool to me





Z
Link Posted: 11/13/2010 9:13:43 AM EDT
[#7]
Heard back from Dimtry.  Not approved as of yet, but may be able to get these in the very near future.  Maybe in a month or so. I will keep you posted.
Link Posted: 11/13/2010 1:56:58 PM EDT
[#8]
That PK-01VP would be awesome, keep us informed!
Link Posted: 11/13/2010 11:55:51 PM EDT
[#9]
Cool.  Please keep us posted.  I really like Russian optics and they would work great on my saigas.  Thank you
Link Posted: 11/19/2010 9:55:27 AM EDT
[#10]
Eastwave came through on the first optic (PK-01VS) pictured.  Went ahead and purchased one.  Will post some pics and impressions when I get it.
Link Posted: 11/19/2010 11:22:51 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Actually your right TX.  If I got one it would be the PK-01VS, as I have way too many magnified optics as is.

Did you see the periscope version.  No need for it at all, but it is pretty cool.  That cheek rest is cool too and seems to be specifically made for the triangle stocks.

http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/ggg.jpg
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/g3.jpg
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/g2.jpg


Have to hand it to the Russians... they know how to do simple and reliable.  Here's the "Western" (Israeli) solution:



8.5lbs, uses batteries, and restricted to pistol calibers
Link Posted: 11/19/2010 1:11:25 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Eastwave came through on the first optic (PK-01VS) pictured.  Went ahead and purchased one.  Will post some pics and impressions when I get it.


What?

Link, immediately!!!!!





Z
Link Posted: 11/19/2010 2:46:48 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Eastwave came through on the first optic (PK-01VS) pictured.  Went ahead and purchased one.  Will post some pics and impressions when I get it.


What?

Link, immediately!!!!!





Z


I will have to get back to you on whether they plan on selling these on their website. I got some confusing answers which is common when dealing with these Russian vendors, lost in translation I guess. I don't see why they wont in the future. He scored me one, and I am sure he can get more. If you email him he will def. get back to you fairly quickly. Just make sure you are very specific, and use a link from that website as their are other older RDS's with the PK-01 nomenclature. Still no update on the other 4x17 optic.

It was pricey I'm afraid. $389 + 25 air mail. OUCH, of course the PK-AS is $349 on their site now. When did they get so high?

Link Posted: 11/19/2010 2:48:14 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Actually your right TX.  If I got one it would be the PK-01VS, as I have way too many magnified optics as is.

Did you see the periscope version.  No need for it at all, but it is pretty cool.  That cheek rest is cool too and seems to be specifically made for the triangle stocks.

http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/ggg.jpg
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/g3.jpg
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/g2.jpg


Have to hand it to the Russians... they know how to do simple and reliable.  Here's the "Western" (Israeli) solution:

http://sleepless.blogs.com/george/Cornershot.jpeg

8.5lbs, uses batteries, and restricted to pistol calibers


lol, no doubt.  Looks like you would get killed trying to use that thing.
Link Posted: 11/19/2010 4:30:03 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Actually your right TX.  If I got one it would be the PK-01VS, as I have way too many magnified optics as is.

Did you see the periscope version.  No need for it at all, but it is pretty cool.  That cheek rest is cool too and seems to be specifically made for the triangle stocks.

http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/ggg.jpg
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/g3.jpg
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/g2.jpg


soooooo... when are we the civilians getting these???

Wow, that accessory could be made for literally anything, it even looks like you could swing it over for left handed shooters
Link Posted: 11/19/2010 5:55:05 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Actually your right TX.  If I got one it would be the PK-01VS, as I have way too many magnified optics as is.

Did you see the periscope version.  No need for it at all, but it is pretty cool.  That cheek rest is cool too and seems to be specifically made for the triangle stocks.

http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/ggg.jpg
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/g3.jpg
http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx79/miglan20/g2.jpg


soooooo... when are we the civilians getting these???

Wow, that accessory could be made for literally anything, it even looks like you could swing it over for left handed shooters


Yea, I think it rotates.  I did not ask him about those but will next time.
Link Posted: 11/19/2010 6:52:21 PM EDT
[#17]
I want a 20 round 74 mag!
Link Posted: 11/20/2010 4:17:25 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
I want a 20 round 74 mag!


Honestly I don't think it is one.  You can tell by the photos that this clearly a photo op with models or what not.  I think they just through another caliber magazine in there, possibly a type of 9x39 caliber one.
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 3:12:28 AM EDT
[#19]
I talked to a different Dmitry who has access to a lot of cool stuff and he said (FWIW) that these 20 round mags are in fact real, but not built from a factory mold like regular mags. According to him they do seem to be a factory or depot level modification and are in the field here and there, he said they do exist and it is possible to get them in plum. I ran into another video that showed a similar plum 20 rounder and it got me to thinking it's possible that what he says is true.

OTH it could just be a unit level mod for photo ops or whatever, but Dmitry apparently has heard of them and might be able to get one. So maybe real maybe not, I'm not going to claim they are factory legit but if he can find one at least I'll know for sure.






Z
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 3:13:56 AM EDT
[#20]
And best of all, the PK-01VS should be here by Christmas                  



Class: Express Mail International®
Status: Inbound Into Customs

Your item is being processed by United States Customs.
Detailed Results:
 
Inbound Into Customs
Inbound International Arrival, December 08, 2010, 2:26 am, ISC NEW YORK NY(USPS)
Foreign International Dispatch, November 30, 2010, 8:51 am, MINSK EMS, BELARUS
Origin Post is Preparing Shipment
Foreign Acceptance, November 29, 2010, 4:30 pm, BELARUS





Z
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 2:53:07 PM EDT
[#21]
how easy would it be to make a periscope item for any red dot? seriously that would be awesome, I may be one in a million but I would totally want that, hell I could hunt coyote with that, they make red dot magnifiers, why not periscopes?
Link Posted: 12/8/2010 3:13:43 PM EDT
[#22]
Good to know about the magazine TX.  I got mine on Monday, but I have been so busy with training and traveling with my new job that I will not have time to post an in depth review till Christmas at the earliest.  It will be up to you if you want.  I did have time to post a few crappy pics.  My initial impressions are pretty good.  I love the construction of the optic and it's one piece design.  I esp. love the light weight.  Of all the side optics I have used (and that is quite a lot) this one is probably the lightest.  You barely even notice the weight of it on the rifle.  The best thing about it really, can't rave about that enough.  It is numbered #6 so it is def. one of the first few made.

I have not zeroed or tested return to zero or durability yet as I mentioned.  My only complaint so far is that it looks on casual observation to use the same internals as the old PK-A.  Not for sure.  The tube style within the main tube - zeroed by moving that tube via the adjustment knobs.  Anyone with an older PK-A will know what I am talking about (you can see in the last pic). Don't know the MOA of the dot.  I am a magnified optics ACOG kind of guy so I don't have a lot of experience with other RDS's to compare it too though.  The co-witness is cool though and it sits really low.  Have not tested whether you can strip the rifle with it in place yet, sorry.  I hope TX-Zen will do a better review if he wants (he has more experience w/RDS optics).  I just don't have the time right now.  Things are crazy with my new job.

Here some crappy pics:






Link Posted: 12/8/2010 5:38:37 PM EDT
[#23]
that's nice and low!
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 6:15:07 AM EDT
[#24]
I like the overall layout of the sight but the "tube within a tube" design leaves me uninspired.  I would have expected more for that kind of money.  



When the Russians start charging Aimpoint and Eotech type money (or near to it), they need to start matching the technology as well.  Just my opinion of course...
Link Posted: 12/9/2010 6:07:47 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
I like the overall layout of the sight but the "tube within a tube" design leaves me uninspired.  I would have expected more for that kind of money.  

When the Russians start charging Aimpoint and Eotech type money (or near to it), they need to start matching the technology as well.  Just my opinion of course...



I agree, I'm not terribly excited by $400+ Russian optics these days, I wish they were still cheaper like a few years ago. At today's prices it really does make it hard to justify not just buying an aimpoint, and I think the high price tends to discredit the otherwise serviceable and interesting Russian optics. One thing I've heard is that prices are getting stupid expensive inside of Russia too, a few friends from over there have tried to pickup odds and ends and have been met by the same pricing we see in the US, according to them anyway. It sounds like a trend over there, FWIW


Still, this one was interesting enough that I wanted to get my hands on it. Citadel thanks for posting the pics, it looks great. Better than I thought actually (though the tube in tube is surprising, I must agree with that too) and now I'm intrigued to see it in person. Hope you can squeeze in some range time with it.

And good luck on the new job!  



Z
Link Posted: 12/11/2010 7:59:43 AM EDT
[#26]
I hope I did not overstate the tube within a tube thing.  It is not too big of a deal, but could def. be better designed.  It disappears completely when you bring the rifle up to aim and fire.  I guess the narrow FOV is my problem with all RDS's.  That whole looking through a tube effect.  That is why I have always preferred low magnification optics w/wide FOV's.  The more I play with this optic; the more I like it however.  

I agree that it should be cheaper.  Russian stuff is getting too expensive.  Optics like the 1P78 are worth every penny I paid and are correctly priced.  I don't think this one is.  Not that it is not a cool optic; I just don't think it is a $400 plus value for me.  Others may differ, esp. those who really like RDS's and such.  I think it should be priced around +/- $300 range.

Here are some more pics.  Sorry for the bad quality as I am no good with a camera.  



Dot out of focus:


Dot out of focus co-witness:


Dot in focus:


Internals.  This pic is magnified.  You don't notice the tube within a tube like this pic portrays.  Nowhere near as noticeable as pic.


It don't get no lower than this.

Link Posted: 12/13/2010 5:32:04 PM EDT
[#27]
Excellent write up and great pics Citadel, I think you sum it up nicely. I'm surprised your pics show the cowitness over the centerline, when I bring the dot down for cowitness the front sight is in the lower right corner of the optic FOV and actually partially obscured by the scope body.

And no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get really good pics looking at the dot through the tube, I have to hand it to you, you did a fantastic job there.    

Only thing I'll add is that these optics work best with both eyes open, which makes the scope body indistinct as you mentioned. In particular I used to feel the older PK-A was much too tubular but have since realized that I was probably using it incorrectly and even the very stout Rakurz basically disappears when both eyes are open. Another quick thing is that I couldn't get the top cover off the SGL31 while mounted. On my SLR105 I could get the recoil spring pushed in but the top cover still wouldn't come off even though I tried to rotate to the right. There just doesn't seem to be enough space for the cover to clear the receiver under the scope body.

(and I weighed mine in at .91 pounds, actually lighter than my PK-A at .95)


PK01-VS and PK-A


VS and Rakurz


SGL31


You can see here a center view of the reticule over the front sight post. If I moved my head to line the leaf up the sight post you can sort of estimate how much will be blocked by the scope body down on the lower right corner of the optic. I really couldn't get any good pics with my camera, probably because its an SLR type and the center of the lense is kind of far from the bottom of the camera.





And on the 12 just for grins, though the PK01 sits so low the cheekpad prevents it from used which negates having the SVDS folder. Looks cool but not practical with this stock.  





I'm glad you dug these up and got Eastwave moving on them. I agree they are a little pricey but I'm glad to have one and definately want to say thanks for putting in the leg work to get them rolling.   :)    



Z
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