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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:16:36 PM EDT
[#1]
I like them but they prevented reliable lock back on the last shot on every rifle I own...so I stopped using them.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:16:50 PM EDT
[#2]
 Poll fail. Double is.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:19:28 PM EDT
[#3]
Has its place.
Like on a 9mm lower with no bolt hold open. 
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:24:55 PM EDT
[#4]
I didn't knock it until I tried it. Seemed like a great concept at first. But several things turned me off. I've trained so long to have the rhythm of finger drop stop slap That I found myself pausing to intentionally use my finger to operate it. Second, it looked fucking stupid .Third, I couldn't help looking at it thinking, "that's 30 bucks worth of bullshit" sticking out both sides of my "purpose based " tool. The nail in the coffin was the Facebook groups. Where a turd with a bushmaster thought his rifle was worth 1600+ because of his enhanced trigger guard, bad lever, and anti walk pins with a stock trigger. Fucking nope.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:31:51 PM EDT
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I didn't knock it until I tried it. Seemed like a great concept at first. But several things turned me off. I've trained so long to have the rhythm of finger drop stop slap That I found myself pausing to intentionally use my finger to operate it. Second, it looked fucking stupid .Third, I couldn't help looking at it thinking, "that's 30 bucks worth of bullshit" sticking out both sides of my "purpose based " tool. The nail in the coffin was the Facebook groups. Where a turd with a bushmaster thought his rifle was worth 1600+ because of his enhanced trigger guard, bad lever, and anti walk pins with a stock trigger. Fucking nope. Sounds like you have it all figured out then. what was the point of the poll? |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:33:06 PM EDT
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Sounds like you have it all figured out then. what was the point of the poll? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't knock it until I tried it. Seemed like a great concept at first. But several things turned me off. I've trained so long to have the rhythm of finger drop stop slap That I found myself pausing to intentionally use my finger to operate it. Second, it looked fucking stupid .Third, I couldn't help looking at it thinking, "that's 30 bucks worth of bullshit" sticking out both sides of my "purpose based " tool. The nail in the coffin was the Facebook groups. Where a turd with a bushmaster thought his rifle was worth 1600+ because of his enhanced trigger guard, bad lever, and anti walk pins with a stock trigger. Fucking nope. Sounds like you have it all figured out then. what was the point of the poll? Ummm...wasn't my poll. |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:34:16 PM EDT
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Ummm...wasn't my poll. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't knock it until I tried it. Seemed like a great concept at first. But several things turned me off. I've trained so long to have the rhythm of finger drop stop slap That I found myself pausing to intentionally use my finger to operate it. Second, it looked fucking stupid .Third, I couldn't help looking at it thinking, "that's 30 bucks worth of bullshit" sticking out both sides of my "purpose based " tool. The nail in the coffin was the Facebook groups. Where a turd with a bushmaster thought his rifle was worth 1600+ because of his enhanced trigger guard, bad lever, and anti walk pins with a stock trigger. Fucking nope. Sounds like you have it all figured out then. what was the point of the poll? Ummm...wasn't my poll. Oops, never mind then. Join date confused me. |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:42:20 PM EDT
[#8]
Im so used to not using one i forget I have it on there. they work great for me while prone position though.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 9:52:34 PM EDT
[#9]
Never was.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 10:31:06 PM EDT
[#10]
Got them on all my carbines. I'm a lefty so they work great for me.
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Posted: 4/23/2015 11:02:55 PM EDT
[#11]
Don't Really give two shits what people think, I love 'em.
Never had a problem with it preventing bolt lockout, and if you ND with one, your finger mechanics are all fucked up to begin with since the only direction it moves is up and down. Think what you will, it's your gun, not mine and vice versa. |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 11:37:33 PM EDT
[#12]
I prefer the Phase 5
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Posted: 4/24/2015 12:01:56 AM EDT
[#13]
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I prefer the Phase 5 +1. |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 12:09:25 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: +1. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I prefer the Phase 5 +1.  |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 10:13:04 AM EDT
[#15]
News to me that they were ever cool....
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Posted: 4/24/2015 10:25:19 AM EDT
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I like them a lot for certain applications. I have never encountered any issues with them.They can really speed things up if you are comfortable with them, particularly malfunction drills.
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Posted: 4/24/2015 10:27:13 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: +1. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I prefer the Phase 5 +1. |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 4:59:55 PM EDT
[#18]
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Don't Really give two shits what people think, I love 'em. Never had a problem with it preventing bolt lockout, and if you ND with one, your finger mechanics are all fucked up to begin with since the only direction it moves is up and down. Think what you will, it's your gun, not mine and vice versa. Yup....+1 |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 5:08:59 PM EDT
[#19]
Put one on my 6.8 so my wife could manipulate it easier...bolt never held open.
SEE YA BAD LEVER!! |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 4:24:45 AM EDT
[#20]
For right handed people, I think they are pointless and adds a failure point to your weapon. If you are getting slow times with speed reloads and malfunction clearing, that's a training issue. One of my friends got one on his rifle and I still blew him away in drills.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:57:07 AM EDT
[#21]
I use one on my rie with a Redi-Mag.
 Makes things far easier. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:54:27 AM EDT
[#22]
I use a BAD on my personal and duty rifles.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 1:13:41 PM EDT
[#23]
The only reason I have a BAD lever is so I don't have to take my firing hand off the grip in order to lock the bolt back.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 2:14:21 PM EDT
[#24]
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I didn't knock it until I tried it. Seemed like a great concept at first. But several things turned me off. I've trained so long to have the rhythm of finger drop stop slap That I found myself pausing to intentionally use my finger to operate it. Second, it looked fucking stupid .Third, I couldn't help looking at it thinking, "that's 30 bucks worth of bullshit" sticking out both sides of my "purpose based " tool. The nail in the coffin was the Facebook groups. Where a turd with a bushmaster thought his rifle was worth 1600+ because of his enhanced trigger guard, bad lever, and anti walk pins with a stock trigger. Fucking nope. +1 |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 4:20:31 PM EDT
[#25]
Not really needed when there is ambi billet lowers.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 4:31:10 PM EDT
[#26]
Never really saw a use for it, it's fugly and seems like it would be more a hindrance than anything.
Plus I've now tried to stop drinking the Magpul kool aid, I still like the CTR and Pmags but other than that I try to avoid it. Not because there's anything wrong with it, I'm just sick of the Magpul whores that buy every accessory from Magpul that will fit on their rifle. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:54:43 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never really saw a use for it, it's fugly and seems like it would be more a hindrance than anything. Plus I've now tried to stop drinking the Magpul kool aid, I still like the CTR and Pmags but other than that I try to avoid it. Not because there's anything wrong with it, I'm just sick of the Magpul whores that buy every accessory from Magpul that will fit on their rifle. As for Magpul. I like the CTR and and MOE stocks. I onky have ten Pmags because they were less than $90 for 10 of then. The other 70 or so mags are GI 30rd and 20rd mags. They do make some nice stuff but yes... the Magpul whores are a bit crazy. |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 3:27:54 PM EDT
[#28]
I never really liked the thought of bolting a long extension onto a tiny lever in the first place. It seems like it would make it easier to snap the BHO lever off if something hit the BAD lever.
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Posted: 4/27/2015 3:48:03 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never was. |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 3:52:03 PM EDT
[#30]
I really didn't like the idea of them. It just seemed stupid. Then I finally tried one and was pleasantly surprised. Some guys say they cause issues, but the two rifles that I have them onm have never had a single malfunction, and drills to clear are much simpler. Will I throw them on all my rifles? No. Because you don't want to get too used to something that isn't always there, but i'm happy with their performance on the two I have.
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Posted: 4/27/2015 7:56:08 PM EDT
[#31]
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I have one on 1 rifle out of my 5 ARs. It's because of the Redi-Mag. As for Magpul. I like the CTR and and MOE stocks. I onky have ten Pmags because they were less than $90 for 10 of then. The other 70 or so mags are GI 30rd and 20rd mags. They do make some nice stuff but yes... the Magpul whores are a bit crazy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never really saw a use for it, it's fugly and seems like it would be more a hindrance than anything. Plus I've now tried to stop drinking the Magpul kool aid, I still like the CTR and Pmags but other than that I try to avoid it. Not because there's anything wrong with it, I'm just sick of the Magpul whores that buy every accessory from Magpul that will fit on their rifle. As for Magpul. I like the CTR and and MOE stocks. I onky have ten Pmags because they were less than $90 for 10 of then. The other 70 or so mags are GI 30rd and 20rd mags. They do make some nice stuff but yes... the Magpul whores are a bit crazy. Why you gotta hate? 
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Posted: 4/28/2015 7:52:11 AM EDT
[#32]
This should be moved to GD since its about coolness or lack there of..
I'm just going to leave this here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQ |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 6:35:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Ran one for a while, pulled it off, b/c to be honest, for a lefty it really didn't serve any useful purpose imo. It's more suitable/useful for RH shooters, if anything. Plus, the wobble just annoyed me.
Also tried the Blue Teal Ambi bolt release - another case of where I think it's more useful for a RH shooter. The only real useful/usable ambi bolt controls I've found are those designed into the lower like the AXTS or LWRCi lowers, to be honest. Of course, a much more sizable investment. |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 7:11:24 PM EDT
[#34]
the only thing i want inside the trigger guard is a trigger. just my opinion. plus, i heard they can keep the bolt from locking back. plus, it's plastic
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Posted: 4/28/2015 7:39:16 PM EDT
[#35]
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This should be moved to GD since its about coolness or lack there of.. I'm just going to leave this here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQ Not to pull a nutnfancy but I was referring to both kinds of cool. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 6:53:06 PM EDT
[#36]
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the only thing i want inside the trigger guard is a trigger. just my opinion. plus, i heard they can keep the bolt from locking back. plus, it's plastic Actually they're aluminum. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 6:27:11 AM EDT
[#37]
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Actually they're aluminum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the only thing i want inside the trigger guard is a trigger. just my opinion. plus, i heard they can keep the bolt from locking back. plus, it's plastic Actually they're aluminum. I guess he has never tried one much less fondled one ever. |
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Posted: 5/2/2015 6:26:51 PM EDT
[#38]
I don't care if everyone love them or thinks they are lame. I like my BAD levers, especially with malfunction drills, and I will continue to use them. I also have never experienced any issues with bolt hold open functioning
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Posted: 5/3/2015 9:39:49 PM EDT
[#39]
I have them on two ARs with one coming for one I just built. I have had zero issues with them and prefer them to just the standard ping-pong paddle.
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Posted: 5/4/2015 7:25:45 AM EDT
[#40]
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I don't care if everyone love them or thinks they are lame. I like my BAD levers, especially with malfunction drills, and I will continue to use them. I also have never experienced any issues with bolt hold open functioning You said this better than I would. I started out with one and liked how well it worked so I got one for by other 3 AR's. I've never had a malfunction or any other issue with them. |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 8:24:44 AM EDT
[#41]
I had these on a couple rifles back in the day but I currently do not run one. I never had issues with them but I guess they really are not needed so I haven't used one on my last two or three builds.
Back when ammo was cheap I didn't mind wasting money on parts but now I spend extra cash on more ammo! :) |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 8:34:38 AM EDT
[#42]
Bought another one yesterday. Love 'em.
I would much rather have a lower that had that functionality built-in, though. |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 8:42:32 AM EDT
[#43]
I'm a lefty. They're pretty useless for me.
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Posted: 5/4/2015 9:12:58 AM EDT
[#44]
i use them on all my rifles.
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Posted: 5/4/2015 9:28:14 AM EDT
[#45]
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I'm a lefty. They're pretty useless for me. Then you're not doing it right. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 12:20:06 PM EDT
[#46]
I have them on every rifle that allows them to be installed but it was never about being cool or keeping up with the Jones’. The BAD lever was design for faster malfunction clearance and it does that very well.
It does, more times than not, not allow the bolt to lock back on an empty magazine. I do not find this to be a legitimate reason not to use one. The bolt locking to the rear on the last round is only an issue due to the fact it adds time to reloading the rifle. However, I have had rifles without the BAD lever fail to lock back while using USGI mags and PMAGs. I have experienced the failure to lock back with a magazine one time but not the next time or the next five times. I have had the failure while using quality ammo. Bolt lock back on the last round is not a guaranteed on any rifle or handgun. There are many reasons a firearm will not lock back on the last round and it should not be relied on. A malfunction is bigger a concern and takes longer to fix than replacing an empty magazine. The BAD lever decreases the time to clear the malfunction while in most cases never taking your hand off fire control or dismounting the rifle. In my opinion the advantages of the BAD Lever outweigh any disadvantage. Suggesting that a product should not be used simply because it is “ugly” or due to the manufacture’s fan base is just as silly as using it because it looks cool or because all the cool kids are using it. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 12:37:23 PM EDT
[#47]
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Then you're not doing it right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm a lefty. They're pretty useless for me. Then you're not doing it right. 
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:58:37 AM EDT
[#48]
I like my phase 5 because its one piece as opposed to attaching it. I also have a tactical link that I like, but the phase 5 looks the best.
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Posted: 5/9/2015 12:37:16 AM EDT
[#49]
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I like my phase 5 because its one piece as opposed to attaching it. I also have a tactical link that I like, but the phase 5 looks the best. http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t481/blackbelt38/IMG_20150502_173058_zps7s0lmbqf.jpg I function test my bad levers then they get jbwelded. |
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Posted: 5/10/2015 1:56:50 PM EDT
[#50]
Concerns me to have extra stuff in the trigger-well.
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