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Posted: 5/22/2016 11:36:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:19:03 AM EDT
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This is the first I've seen or heard about them...
Any idea when they were introduced? What kind of reticle? |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:00:46 PM EDT
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increasingly interesting
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:11:20 PM EDT
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They look very close the Burris AR Sight series. Hell, they even have the same numbers in the model
I'm guessing they are pure Asian. http://www.burrisoptics.com/sights/ar-sights-series/ar-332 http://www.burrisoptics.com/sights/ar-sights-series/ar-536 |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:53:54 PM EDT
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Steiner would not put there name on it if it was, it might be the same design but I'm sure it is better glass/construction. Just like the Burris scope is the same 1-5 as the Steiner but half the price and not the same quality.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:56:20 PM EDT
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They look very close the Burris AR Sight series. Hell, they even have the same numbers in the model I'm guessing they are pure Asian. http://www.burrisoptics.com/sights/ar-sights-series/ar-332 http://www.burrisoptics.com/sights/ar-sights-series/ar-536 Reticle is identical to the XTR IMO, Steiner is owned by Beretta IIRC is Burris? |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 3:13:00 PM EDT
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Steiner would not put there name on it if it was, it might be the same design but I'm sure it is better glass/construction. Just like the Burris scope is the same 1-5 as the Steiner but half the price and not the same quality. If you say so. Beretta owns both Steiner and Burris. My guess is that big brother is forcing them to play nice together as much as possible. Steiner no longer gets to make autonomous decisions. If I were to consider this particular Steiner, I would want it made in Germany. Not Asia, and not even in America (if assembled at the Burris plant) Burris 1-5x = Philippines ($800) Steiner 1-5x (T5Xi) = US, assembled at Burris plant ($1400) Steiner 1-5x (M5Xi) - Germany ($2600) |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 3:32:02 PM EDT
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Reticle is identical to the XTR IMO, Steiner is owned by Beretta IIRC is Burris? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They look very close the Burris AR Sight series. Hell, they even have the same numbers in the model I'm guessing they are pure Asian. http://www.burrisoptics.com/sights/ar-sights-series/ar-332 http://www.burrisoptics.com/sights/ar-sights-series/ar-536 Reticle is identical to the XTR IMO, Steiner is owned by Beretta IIRC is Burris? Yup.... Both are Berreta Defence. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:26:38 PM EDT
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I talked to the Steiner guy at Burris today. Expecting delivery
end of June or July. Reticle is different in this picture. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 10:32:55 PM EDT
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I talked to the Steiner guy at Burris today. Expecting delivery end of June or July. Reticle is different in this picture. Steiner M-332 3X Prismatic |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:19:17 PM EDT
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I talked to the Steiner guy at Burris today. Expecting delivery end of June or July. Reticle is different in this picture. Steiner M-332 3X Prismatic I'm a little hesitant at the low price..... I'd like to see where it's made. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 10:46:24 AM EDT
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I really wish Vortex would make three prismatics with good eye relief,a horseshoe 1moa dot and in 1X 3X 5X using the same glass and material they use in their razor line...
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Posted: 5/24/2016 12:13:54 PM EDT
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Gent's,
A quick update - talked to Bill yesterday @ Steiner/Burris. He confirmed these are built and assembled in Germany. Also, a little more research regarding the Bak4 glass/prism reveals this glass is from Schott AG. Therefore, I have one in route and should be delivered by Thursday or, Friday this week. I'll keep this thread updated with my initial review. 
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:19:53 PM EDT
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Gent's, A quick update - talked to Bill yesterday @ Steiner/Burris. He confirmed these are built and assembled in Germany. Also, a little more research regarding the Bak4 glass/prism reveals this glass is from Schott AG. Therefore, I have one in route and should be delivered by Thursday or, Friday this week. I'll keep this thread updated with my initial review. Wowzer....nice price....Schott glass to boot....they are gonna sell a ton of these... |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:59:13 PM EDT
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I really wish Vortex would make three prismatics with good eye relief,a horseshoe 1moa dot and in 1X 3X 5X using the same glass and material they use in their razor line... Go tell them on their Industry page. I agree as well. 5-800 range with toughness on par with Razor and they'd have a hard time keeping them in stock. ETA: I guess Steiner beat them to the punch though. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:13:11 PM EDT
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Now you have my attention.
Any guess as to why the eye relief is variable (68.6mm-76.2mm) when the magnification is fixed? Weird. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 4:20:33 PM EDT
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Now you have my attention. Any guess as to why the eye relief is variable (68.6mm-76.2mm) when the magnification is fixed? Weird. The one I'm getting indicates a fixed eye relief of 65? US Item #8786-5.56 Restricted No Clear Objective Lens Diameter36 mm Reticle Color(s) Red Finish Black Field of View5.7 m at 1,000 m MountMIL-STD 1913 Close FocusFixed at 100 m Eye Relief 65 Click Value 1/2 MOA Elevation Adjustment, Total Capability+/- 35 MOA Windage Adjustment+/- 35 MOA Length190 mm Weight 22.5 oz. Illumination Settings10 Settings (5 day/5 night) Battery CR 2032 |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 4:22:30 PM EDT
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Gent's, A quick update - talked to Bill yesterday @ Steiner/Burris. He confirmed these are built and assembled in Germany. Also, a little more research regarding the Bak4 glass/prism reveals this glass is from Schott AG. Therefore, I have one in route and should be delivered by Thursday or, Friday this week. I'll keep this thread updated with my initial review. You have my attention..... |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 6:06:10 PM EDT
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I would assume the 65mm (2.6") eye relief is the correct value, as it is a fixed magnification optic. That sure beats the hell out of a TA01 ACOG
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Posted: 5/24/2016 8:33:25 PM EDT
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I am very interested in this as well. Off the Steiner website, the reticle looks different. I'd like to know what they do have. Looking forward to an update.
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Posted: 5/24/2016 9:12:52 PM EDT
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I'm glad someone at Steiner/Burris knows something. I talked to another guy today and he said they were made in either Germany or California, wasn't sure which. These tech guys, not just this one, seem to be kept in the dark and fed mushrooms. Can't understand how a companies technical staff knows absolutely nothing about upcoming, new products.
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Posted: 5/24/2016 9:18:49 PM EDT
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Now you have my attention. Any guess as to why the eye relief is variable (68.6mm-76.2mm) when the magnification is fixed? Weird. I'd guess if you're between those two distances eye relief is acceptable... |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 11:21:52 PM EDT
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Here's a pic of the ballistic reticle -
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Posted: 5/25/2016 1:26:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2016 8:02:21 AM EDT
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Very interested in your first impressions. I think this could fill a very good niche. Better eye relief and less expensive than an ACOG, but (hopefully) better glass and combat durability over the PA and burris scopes.
Most likely wrecking my credit card with one of these soon. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 5:00:16 PM EDT
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hopefully a 2moa dot
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Posted: 5/27/2016 11:55:28 PM EDT
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Joe_Sakic, Have you received the sight, anything you can post about it?
Thanks |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 2:35:48 PM EDT
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doubled
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Posted: 5/28/2016 2:36:37 PM EDT
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Steiner M-536 Battle Prism Sight 5x 36mm with Quick Detach Mount Matte
Length: 7.5" Weight: 22.5oz Steiner M-332 Battle Prism Sight 3x 32mm with Quick Detach Mount Matte Length: 5.5" Weight: 16.2oz |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 5:43:45 PM EDT
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Gent's,
Sorry for the late reply...this bad boy showed up on Thursday. First impression - this thing feels like tank, very heavy duty & robust. It has an outer shell encapsulating the scope itself w/some type of a dense rubbery polymer (hard to explain). It has a screw in mini sunshade and front & rear Steiner flip caps. The battery was already installed - the illumination is spectacular, super bright and 0 bleeding whatsoever. With the illumination off, the reticle is solid black. The entire reticle illuminates with it on. It has the following illumination settings NV1, NV2, 3, 4, and 5 (nighttime settings - 3, 4, and 5 are represented w/a picture of a little moon). The next setting is 0 (off), then 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 w/5 being the brightest in chronological order (daytime settings). It has a unique QD mount which feels very robust and is adjustable for increasing or, decreasing the tension. The elevation and windage adjustments are audible & tactile (used a penny to test), plus, they have scope retention caps w/O rings. Now for the best part...the glass - Holy Shit this thing is clear & bright, edge to edge clarity is unbelievable. I had to initially adjust the diopter to focus the reticle, but, once set - Wow. I tried to snap a picture through the glass but, my camera can't capture the details like the naked eye. The brightness and color contrast is outstanding. I actually pulled out my Nightforce NXS for comparison. With my NF set to 5 power to match my Steiner - dare I say, the Steiner has more clarity, color and pop than my $1,600.00 NF 
Hopefully, some range time soon to test the tracking and bullet drop compensating reticle for tracking & accuracy. For $600.00 shipped, this thing is a steal. Also, I did locate a review here but, you'll need Google Translate to read. ETA: The review has some decent pictures. Cheers
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Posted: 5/28/2016 5:47:21 PM EDT
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Does the labeling confirm it made in germany? Also it looks like it but I didn't see it listed, adjustable eye peice?
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Posted: 5/28/2016 6:41:53 PM EDT
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How big is the dot?
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Posted: 5/28/2016 7:25:39 PM EDT
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Does the labeling confirm it made in germany? Also it looks like it but I didn't see it listed, adjustable eye peice? The label on the box doesn't indicate where it's made, however, the instruction manual is from Germany along with the markings on the sides of the scope itself: Military Steiner 5x36 Germany Yes, the eye piece is adjustable to focus the reticle - fixed 5 power. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 7:41:19 PM EDT
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How big is the dot? Small...according the instructions (pic above) @ 5x which this is: 0.32 Mrad. The top horizontal is 10.0 Mrad, the space w/the dot in the middle is 1 Mrad. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 10:50:40 PM EDT
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Thanks for your observations Joe_Sakic.This reticle is exactly what I've been looking for.
1. When you get a chance can you give us some pics with it mounted on a weapon. 2. Any idea on battery life?Right now info seems to be limited on this scope. Thanks |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 11:12:39 PM EDT
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Small...according the instructions (pic above) @ 5x which this is: 0.32 Mrad. The top horizontal is 10.0 Mrad, the space w/the dot in the middle is 1 Mrad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How big is the dot? Small...according the instructions (pic above) @ 5x which this is: 0.32 Mrad. The top horizontal is 10.0 Mrad, the space w/the dot in the middle is 1 Mrad. sounds about perfect....thanks for the info |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 6:30:45 AM EDT
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Its heavy!!
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Posted: 5/29/2016 8:53:11 AM EDT
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Perfect price point between the pro & acog.
Might get this for my aug. Thanks for the review |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 8:55:28 AM EDT
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Its heavy!! It looks to be in Elcan Specter DR territory weight wise. The 3x looks to be closer to a midsize ACOG in weight. |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 10:56:17 AM EDT
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I am very interested in this especially if it's actually using German components..... Sometimes CS reps have no clue
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Posted: 5/29/2016 11:42:25 AM EDT
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I was kidding about the weight...
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Posted: 5/29/2016 1:27:43 PM EDT
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It looks to be in Elcan Specter DR territory weight wise. The 3x looks to be closer to a midsize ACOG in weight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its heavy!! It looks to be in Elcan Specter DR territory weight wise. The 3x looks to be closer to a midsize ACOG in weight. I'd venture that once these are out and popular Scalar will make us a lightwt mount |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 2:15:32 PM EDT
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It's probably reusing the existing optical designs from the Burris 3x32 and 5x36 prism sight. But the Steiner versions use German glass, real daylight visible digital illumination and assembled in Germany or the USA. The Burris ones are using Chinese glass and made in China.
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Posted: 5/29/2016 5:45:53 PM EDT
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They're gonna sell a bunch of these.
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Posted: 5/29/2016 6:56:22 PM EDT
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They're gonna sell a bunch of these. I agree .... price point is excellent considering I will probably order one of these soon |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 9:24:09 PM EDT
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They're gonna sell a bunch of these. I agree .... price point is excellent considering I will probably order one of these soon I'm trying to think of an excuse to get one.... 
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Posted: 5/29/2016 10:40:24 PM EDT
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Midway has them in stock minus the 5.56 3X
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Posted: 6/4/2016 1:18:35 PM EDT
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Got a range report on these yet?
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Posted: 6/4/2016 2:10:25 PM EDT
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Do the scopes have an adjustable diopter on the ocular lens?
Old eyes want to know... |
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Posted: 6/5/2016 5:31:56 PM EDT
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Dadgummit!
I wish I didn't see this. This scope is hard to resist. |
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Posted: 6/5/2016 9:13:30 PM EDT
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Dadgummit! I wish I didn't see this. This scope is hard to resist. I have to agree. I was considering an Acog however this is beyond tempting. |
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