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Posted: 11/20/2014 2:07:20 PM EDT
Specs Exit Pupil: 6mm - 10.5mm Weight: 14.1 oz Length: 10.2" Field of View @ 100yds: 24.8 - 99.9 ft Eye Relief (in): 5.0 - 3.1 Diopter Compensation: -2 ~ +1 dpr Click Adjustment Value: 0.1 MRAD Adjustment Per Revoultion: 5 Mils Total Elevation Adjustment: 55 Mils Total Windage Adjustment: 55 Mils Type of Reticle: Illuminated Mil-Quad DM Focal Plane: 2nd Coating: Fully Multi Coated Waterproof: Yes Fogproof: Yes Shockproof: Yes SWFA SS 1-4x24 SFP with Subtensions: 
SWFA SS 1-4x24 SFP: 
100, 200, and 300 Yard Aiming Points When zeroed at 200 yards this reticle offers accurate 100 yard, 200 yard, and 300 yard aiming points for most 5.56 and 7.62 rounds. Utilize the center dot for your 200 yard zero. The top of the diamond offers a 100 yard aiming point and the bottom of the diamond offers a 300 yard aiming point. 
The rounds this reticle were designed to be used with are M852, M80, M118LR, M193, and M855. The actual point of impact vs. point of aim: M852 7.62 168 Grain @ 2600 FPS .35 Mils Low @ 100 yards, Zero 200 yards, .05 Mils High at 300 yards M80 7.62 147 Grain @ 2850 FPS .45 Mils Low @ 100 yards, Zero 200 yards, .15 Mils High at 300 yards M118LR 7.62 175 Grain @ 2600 FPS .35 Mils Low @ 100 yards, Zero 200 yards, .05 Mils High at 300 yards M193 5.56 55 Grain @ 3100 FPS .55 Mils Low @ 100 yards, Zero 200 yards, .15 Mils High at 300 yards M855 5.56 62 Grain @ 3000 FPS .55 Mils Low @ 100 yards, Zero 200 yards, .15 Mils High at 300 yards Target Ranging References All of the target ranging references are calibrated for 72" height as well as 18" width. 
To use it for 36" tall targets simply divide your range shown on the reticle by 2 and for 24" tall targets divide by 3. Examples are listed below. 
The target below is a 72" tall silhouette of a human. Considering it is 72" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 800 yard target ranging indicator this target is 800 yards away. 
The target below is a 72" tall silhouette of a human. Considering it is 72" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 200 yard target ranging indicator this target is 200 yards away. 
The target below is a 18" wide silhouette of a human. Considering it is 18" wide and fits just on top of our 200 yard target ranging indicator this target is 200 yards away. 
The target below is a 18" wide silhouette. Considering it is 18" wide and fits just on top of our 200 yard target ranging indicator this target is 200 yards away. 
The target below is a 36" shoulder height silhouette of a deer. Considering it is 36" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 400 yard target ranging indicator this target is 200 yards away. It is 200 yards away and not 400 yards because we are using a target that is half the height of what the target ranging references are calibrated for, so we have to divide the given range by 2. 
The target below is a 36" shoulder height silhouette of a deer. Considering it is 36" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 800 yard target ranging indicator this target is 400 yards away. It is 400 yards away and not 800 yards because we are using a target that is half the height of what the target ranging references are calibrated for, so we have to divide the given range by 2. 
The target below is a 24" shoulder height silhouette of a hog. Considering it is 24" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 300 yard target ranging indicator this target is 100 yards away. It is 100 yards away and not 300 yards because we are using a target that is one third the height of what the target ranging reference is calibrated for, so we have to divide the given range by 3. 
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Posted: 11/20/2014 2:25:13 PM EDT
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Can we get some 1x and 4x reticle comparisons?
Japanese made? Looks like a smaller version of the 3-15, is it the same glass and build quality as the 3-15?
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Posted: 11/20/2014 4:25:34 PM EDT
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Can we get some 1x and 4x reticle comparisons?Japanese made? Looks like a smaller version of the 3-15, is it the same glass and build quality as the 3-15? Yes please! This is super tempting. |
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Posted: 11/20/2014 5:10:51 PM EDT
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FFP or SFP?
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Posted: 11/20/2014 5:12:38 PM EDT
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FFP or SFP? It says SFP... SWFA makes yet another winner!!! Outstanding looking optic for that price range! |
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Posted: 11/20/2014 8:29:56 PM EDT
[#5]
Might get this instead of the vortex viper!
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Posted: 11/20/2014 10:53:22 PM EDT
[#6]
What is the size of the center dot? 1 MOA? 2 MOA? Didn't see it listed anywhere.
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Posted: 11/20/2014 11:01:50 PM EDT
[#7]
nice job . this makes way more sense to me than having a front focal plane on this magnification range and it is at a price point a large number of shooters can afford .
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Posted: 11/20/2014 11:37:21 PM EDT
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I literally just got a viper today! Eghhh.. feel like that commeecial where the new phone comes out that same day..
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Posted: 11/20/2014 11:52:08 PM EDT
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It says SFP... SWFA makes yet another winner!!! Outstanding looking optic for that price range! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FFP or SFP? It says SFP... SWFA makes yet another winner!!! Outstanding looking optic for that price range! i read that ad 10 fucking times before posting, i see's it now lol |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 12:06:44 AM EDT
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What is the size of the center dot? 1 MOA? 2 MOA? Didn't see it listed anywhere. It is in the photo. 0.3 Mil, or a little over 1 MOA Remember this is a SFP scope so the reticle will subtend this at 4 power. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 12:43:40 AM EDT
[#11]
What will the illumination be like?
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Posted: 11/21/2014 9:12:51 AM EDT
[#12]
That looks like a great scope.
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Posted: 11/21/2014 9:45:53 AM EDT
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So... I honestly never really cared for SWFA scopes because the turrets are awful in my opinion. Have you guys addressed your mushy turrets or is it the same as usual? Last time I was behind your glass was this summer.
I may have to come out to swfa and check it out that weekend; if it will be available in your storefront that is. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 1:36:25 PM EDT
[#14]
Why uncapped turrets on a 1-4x?!
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:19:12 PM EDT
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Why uncapped turrets on a 1-4x?! Why not. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:26:45 PM EDT
[#16]
How is the glass compared to something like the Burris XTR-14?
This seems to be very similar in function and features, but nothing I've tried has been as forgiving on eye position and relief, or as close to true 1x as the XTR |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 2:51:15 PM EDT
[#17]
Does this have a zero stop atleast??
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Posted: 11/21/2014 7:22:55 PM EDT
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Does this have a zero stop atleast?? highly doubt it would have a zero stop at that price point. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 7:23:07 PM EDT
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How is the glass compared to something like the Burris XTR-14? This seems to be very similar in function and features, but nothing I've tried has been as forgiving on eye position and relief, or as close to true 1x as the XTR This. Plus I'd like to see a picture looking down the scope. |
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Posted: 11/21/2014 8:53:21 PM EDT
[#20]
Very cool
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Posted: 11/21/2014 9:25:30 PM EDT
[#21]
I like my swfa 1-4 but i like it for the donut of death and FFP. This looks nice for the price range, but hopefully you don't stop selling the other.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:06:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Okay. I'll see if my agency will approve these. We may have to do a T&E on one. This looks like a great fit for what we need.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:41:49 PM EDT
[#23]
What is the difference between
SWFA SS HD 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA site link and the one you posted above? besides the $800 price tag? Just wondering. Both look nice and will have to try the lower prices one. I already like the linked one, it works great but is a bit heavy. ETA: They look above the same, except the recticle and weight. The more expensive one is 3oz heavier and labeled HD. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 1:04:24 PM EDT
[#24]
Looks great. I'm going to keep this one in mind. Only thing I saw that made me think was the built in throw lever. Seems likely to break if it snags on something. Probably not though
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Posted: 11/22/2014 1:19:34 PM EDT
[#25]
Very interesting... Looks lik a winner
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Posted: 11/22/2014 1:46:43 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why uncapped turrets on a 1-4x?! Why not. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 2:28:05 PM EDT
[#27]
I just switched back to all Eotech's because I never could get used to the extra 2 lbs, and was never satisfied with the reticules.
This one has got my gears turning. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:21:48 PM EDT
[#28]
Very interesting, is the illuminated reticle day time visible?
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:38:05 PM EDT
[#29]
Very nice. Personally I would rather have capped turrets, but I'll still probably pick one up. It'll be a good comparison to my Primary Arms 1-6.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:15:39 AM EDT
[#30]
What's powering the illuminated reticle?
Daytime usable? |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 1:21:33 PM EDT
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What's powering the illuminated reticle? Daytime usable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What's powering the illuminated reticle? Daytime usable? For those wondering if it is "daytime bright" http://opticstalk.com/new-swfa-ss-14x24_topic40752.html -Reticle illumination has a good range. It is not quite bright enough for the brightest light conditions, but plenty good enough for everything else. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:06:23 PM EDT
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Can we get some 1x and 4x reticle comparisons? +1, please... I would also like to see the difference in reticle size at the 1 and 4 power. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:13:01 PM EDT
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+1. Please, I would also like to see the difference in reticle size at the 1 and 4 power. Thanks Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we get some 1x and 4x reticle comparisons? +1. Please, I would also like to see the difference in reticle size at the 1 and 4 power. Thanks It's a SFP reticle. A reticle in the Second Focal Plane is placed at the rear of the erector assembly will appear to stay constant in size across the magnification range. The reticle subtensions are set at a pre-determined magnification change as magnification changes. Simple math can be used to determine the change in values, yet the reticle line size will remain consistent for a fine aiming point regardless of magnification. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:13:22 PM EDT
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For those wondering if it is "daytime bright" http://opticstalk.com/new-swfa-ss-14x24_topic40752.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's powering the illuminated reticle? Daytime usable? For those wondering if it is "daytime bright" http://opticstalk.com/new-swfa-ss-14x24_topic40752.html -Reticle illumination has a good range. It is not quite bright enough for the brightest light conditions, but plenty good enough for everything else. For that price point, I'd be very surprised if it was daytime bright and would guess that it's more in line with the Burris MTAC. Maybe it'll be Burris XTRII bright and they'll end up selling buckets of them. Looking forward to hearing more. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:18:17 PM EDT
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It's a SFP reticle. A reticle in the Second Focal Plane is placed at the rear of the erector assembly will appear to stay constant in size across the magnification range. The reticle subtensions are set at a pre-determined magnification change as magnification changes. Simple math can be used to determine the change in values, yet the reticle line size will remain consistent for a fine aiming point regardless of magnification. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we get some 1x and 4x reticle comparisons? +1. Please, I would also like to see the difference in reticle size at the 1 and 4 power. Thanks It's a SFP reticle. A reticle in the Second Focal Plane is placed at the rear of the erector assembly will appear to stay constant in size across the magnification range. The reticle subtensions are set at a pre-determined magnification change as magnification changes. Simple math can be used to determine the change in values, yet the reticle line size will remain consistent for a fine aiming point regardless of magnification. Ah, gotcha. Thank you for clarification. Either way, I will be at their front door on Friday morning to pick up a couple. At THAT price they will make great Xmas gifts!! . |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:24:01 PM EDT
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For that price point, I'd be very surprised if it was daytime bright and would guess that it's more in line with the Burris MTAC. Maybe it'll be Burris XTRII bright and they'll end up selling buckets of them. Looking forward to hearing more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's powering the illuminated reticle? Daytime usable? For those wondering if it is "daytime bright" http://opticstalk.com/new-swfa-ss-14x24_topic40752.html -Reticle illumination has a good range. It is not quite bright enough for the brightest light conditions, but plenty good enough for everything else. For that price point, I'd be very surprised if it was daytime bright and would guess that it's more in line with the Burris MTAC. Maybe it'll be Burris XTRII bright and they'll end up selling buckets of them. Looking forward to hearing more. The reticle on this one, and the 14oz weight has gotten my attention. I ended up going back to Eotech's with a magnifier because of the 2lbs extra weight that was added to the rifle. I'm not too worried about the daytime brightness of this reticle. Like you said at that price point it probably isn't going to be very bright as most here would wish. If that ended up bothering me I would just piggyback a light red dot to it or offset irons. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:32:58 PM EDT
[#37]
Illumination may not play a big a part since a large reticle is easier to see. 14 oz is pretty damn light and in line with Leupolds and Trijicons so a definite plus.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 3:48:53 PM EDT
[#38]
Forgive me for my ignorance. ....
Doesn't mil scope use meters??? So why have a reticle that uses yards for ranging. I have read stuff that says if you think in terms of meters use a mil scope. If you think in terms of yards use a moa scope. .... Thanks for your help. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 4:35:05 PM EDT
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Forgive me for my ignorance. .... Doesn't mil scope use meters??? So why have a reticle that uses yards for ranging. I have read stuff that says if you think in terms of meters use a mil scope. If you think in terms of yards use a moa scope. .... Thanks for your help. So people can feel better about themselves that cant range with mildots? I dont get why even have the range marks? It takes like 2 seconds to estimate a range with mil dots,idk. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:35:05 PM EDT
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Mil is not metric, it's an angular measurement.. It works equally well in yards.
If you measure your target in inches/yards you can easily range in yards. If you prefer to measure your target in meters, then you range in meters. It's a common misconception from the uninitiated that milliradians must have something to do with metric system, but it's not. "Mil" refers to 1000, and could be 1000 yards, 1000 inches, 1000 ft, etc. |
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Posted: 11/23/2014 5:39:01 PM EDT
[#41]
That is true but it is easy to range in meters with the mildots.
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Posted: 11/23/2014 9:39:25 PM EDT
[#42]
I assume that if illumination is off or there is a battery failure, the diamond and dot revert to black?
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Posted: 11/23/2014 11:13:30 PM EDT
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I assume that if illumination is off or there is a battery failure, the diamond and dot revert to black? I would like to know this as well |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:46:29 PM EDT
[#44]
I'm probably just missing something, but at 4x, what's the mil/moa measurement between substentions? I'm looking to use this for subsonic 300 BLK and would need to know the drop measurements between substentions.
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:52:15 PM EDT
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I would like to know this as well Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I assume that if illumination is off or there is a battery failure, the diamond and dot revert to black? I would like to know this as well Same here. I had a Burris 1.5-8x that the illumination would only light the circle and center dot , but when it was turned off all you would get was a small dot that would have been hard to pick up in low light. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:54:37 PM EDT
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What time on the 28th do they go on sale, 12:01 AM CST?
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Posted: 11/24/2014 12:55:16 PM EDT
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Would also like to know where this one is made?
Philippines, China, Japan,ect? |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 1:13:43 PM EDT
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Would also like to know where this one is made? Philippines, China, Japan,ect? It's Japan just like the rest of the Classic line. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 1:16:04 PM EDT
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It's Japan just like the rest of the Classic line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would also like to know where this one is made? Philippines, China, Japan,ect? It's Japan just like the rest of the Classic line. Thanks. Should have decent glass. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 4:50:18 PM EDT
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I'm probably just missing something, but at 4x, what's the mil/moa measurement between substentions? I'm looking to use this for subsonic 300 BLK and would need to know the drop measurements between substentions. It is not a MOA or Mil reticle, it is a Mrad reticle. At 4 power, each line is 1 Mrad away from each other, or 3.534" at 100 yards. |
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