Didn't Know The USMC Was Using Magpul BUIS!

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Posted: 5/22/2013 11:06:18 AM EDT

I found this pic on the 'net of a Marine firing on a training range in Hawaii. Clearly shows a Magpul BUIS and an Aimpoint (?) red dot sight on his rifle:

Posted: 5/22/2013 12:10:23 PM EDT

[#1]

Probably in MARSOC where they have a little more leeway in equipment choices...

Posted: 5/22/2013 12:13:27 PM EDT

[#2]

Looks like a M4 carbine, not their M16A4 rifle. Aimpoints are common, but I've never seen that little new one issued. Nor have I ever seen a non-ranging BUIS. Looks to be nicely set up & weigh about 10 lbs, though. Non-standard stock as well. PX issue Mechanix gloves.

Ground pounding sailors wear a similar camouflage pattern - we're sure he's a Marine? We're sure it's an issue weapon, & not a Marine firing his personal weapon on the base range (open to all Americans)?

Posted: 5/22/2013 12:32:03 PM EDT

[#3]

The KAC 600 BUIS is the program of record for the Marine Corps

Posted: 5/22/2013 1:16:15 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
The KAC 600 BUIS is the program of record for the Marine Corps

true that!!!

Posted: 5/23/2013 7:41:12 AM EDT

[#5]

The set of photos that I pulled the one in the first post from were billed as "close quarter tactics shooting at the Kaneohe Bay range training facility, May 13", and being carried out by the USMC. Another point is that the Aimpoint sight has some sort of painted-on rack number, which, if I owned it on my personal firearm, would not be there.

I googled "Kaneohe Bay Range", and it looks like it's part of a Marine camp at Kaneohe Bay, HI.

So I concluded, reasonably I think, that the rifle and the equipment mounted on it were USMC issue.

Posted: 5/23/2013 10:40:21 AM EDT

[#6]

Maybe something the Marine put on the rifle themselves, magpul stuff is for sale on our marine base px here.

Posted: 5/25/2013 4:55:58 AM EDT

[#7]

Quite possible that it was his own personal purchase.

I've seen chinese 4x ("colt style") on top of M16's before. They sure weren't issue.

Posted: 5/25/2013 6:35:45 AM EDT

[#8]

Pic is blurry, but is it even an M4? I don't see a third pin...

Posted: 5/25/2013 6:44:29 AM EDT

[#9]

Looks like an AR15 to me. Btw It's not a BUIS, it's a BUS since its plastic.

Posted: 5/25/2013 6:48:01 AM EDT

[#10]

I've seen recon and EOD Marines trick out their rifles like that.

Posted: 5/25/2013 6:57:12 AM EDT

[#11]

Since he has a AFG on his gun, probable added the MBUS on his own also.

Posted: 5/25/2013 7:04:22 AM EDT

[#12]

Looks like he's wearing ACUs.

Posted: 5/25/2013 7:07:46 AM EDT

[#13]

Definitely USMC cammies.

Posted: 5/25/2013 11:28:34 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Pic is blurry, but is it even an M4? I don't see a third pin...

This is a crucial observation in my view.

Posted: 5/25/2013 11:40:38 AM EDT

[#15]

Probably just personally purchased gear.

I do see the pin though.

Posted: 5/25/2013 11:42:07 AM EDT

[#16]

Looks like the trade mark aqua green ACUs

Posted: 5/25/2013 11:45:08 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Probably in MARSOC where they have a little more leeway in equipment choices...

or a personal upper on an issue lower. or a personal carbine....

Definatly not the standard Marine infantry rifle.

Posted: 5/25/2013 3:04:19 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Looks like a M4 carbine, not their M16A4 rifle. Aimpoints are common, but I've never seen that little new one issued. Nor have I ever seen a non-ranging BUIS. Looks to be nicely set up & weigh about 10 lbs, though. Non-standard stock as well. PX issue Mechanix gloves.

Ground pounding sailors wear a similar camouflage pattern - we're sure he's a Marine? We're sure it's an issue weapon, & not a Marine firing his personal weapon on the base range (open to all Americans)?

Take a look at the AFSOC and SOPMOD Block II threads, there are some guys who have been issued T1s. Most likely unit level purchase, but they are out there.

Doubt it's a personal rifle, appears to be sporting a PEQ-16 on the top rail, highly doubt the armorers let him mount that on his personal rifle.

ETA: If you look close enough, there does appear to be a third pin above the safety selector.

Posted: 5/25/2013 3:21:03 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Looks like the trade mark aqua green ACUs

That's what I'm seeing as well. Mint green and sand brown digi camo on the sleeve.

It doesn't resemble the USMC woodland or desert digital, nor does it look like AOR 1 or 2. Could be the ABU uniform, but it looks VERY ACU/UCP.

Posted: 5/25/2013 5:30:18 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The KAC 600 BUIS is the program of record for the Marine Corps

true that!!!

The Matech BUIS is.

Posted: 5/25/2013 5:31:44 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Looks like the trade mark aqua green ACUs

That's what I'm seeing as well. Mint green and sand brown digi camo on the sleeve.

It doesn't resemble the USMC woodland or desert digital, nor does it look like AOR 1 or 2. Could be the ABU uniform, but it looks VERY ACU/UCP.

He is clearly wearing Woodland Marpat.

Posted: 5/25/2013 5:46:47 PM EDT

[#22]

If he's wearing Woodland MarPat and the photo was taken on May 13, he's wearing the wrong uniform.

We switch over to Desert MarPats at Daylight Savings Time, unless Hawaii is OFP.

Posted: 5/25/2013 8:42:49 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
If he's wearing Woodland MarPat and the photo was taken on May 13, he's wearing the wrong uniform.

We switch over to Desert MarPats at Daylight Savings Time, unless Hawaii is OFP.

I have worn woodlands in Hawaii in July for Rim Pac 06' because the leadership told me to. Also, if you are going to the field, the unit leaders can decide what cammies you will be wearing, and since it is Hawaii, woodlands match better than deserts unless you are doing beach landings. Deserts/woodlands April/October only matter for garrison.

Most likely, he is Marsoc or some other top tier unit that can get away with not wearing a kevlar and have non issued gear on his rifle.

Posted: 5/25/2013 9:24:49 PM EDT

[#24]

Well, considering most of the KAC micros that the USMC ordered are now on eBay and Gunbroker...

Posted: 5/26/2013 2:48:28 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The KAC 600 BUIS is the program of record for the Marine Corps

true that!!!

The Matech BUIS is.

The Matech is authorized and was bought from 07 to 10 instead of carrying handles. Since 2010, we bought about as many KAC BUISs as we had weapons. Too bad thousands of them were stolen or just given away as a free issue item.

Posted: 5/26/2013 7:30:46 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The KAC 600 BUIS is the program of record for the Marine Corps

true that!!!

The Matech BUIS is.

The Matech is authorized and was bought from 07 to 10 instead of carrying handles. Since 2010, we bought about as many KAC BUISs as we had weapons. Too bad thousands of them were stolen or just given away as a free issue item.

I have never seen one on any rifle except for the full set on my Mk12.

Posted: 5/26/2013 1:56:56 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The KAC 600 BUIS is the program of record for the Marine Corps

true that!!!

The Matech BUIS is.

The Matech is authorized and was bought from 07 to 10 instead of carrying handles. Since 2010, we bought about as many KAC BUISs as we had weapons. Too bad thousands of them were stolen or just given away as a free issue item.

I have never seen one on any rifle except for the full set on my Mk12.

We bought over 200K of them, but many people did not even know what they were so a huge portion ended up on Ebay. the trash or given away.

Posted: 5/27/2013 7:17:30 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The KAC 600 BUIS is the program of record for the Marine Corps

true that!!!

The Matech BUIS is shit.

FIFY

Posted: 5/27/2013 9:05:28 AM EDT

[#29]

The only problem I've ever had w/ the Matech is it seems to change yardage when it gets bumped. Seems accurate enough.

Posted: 5/27/2013 10:23:26 AM EDT

[#30]

His sleeve is ACU. that's not a marine dude.

Posted: 5/27/2013 12:43:27 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
His sleeve is ACU. that's not a marine dude.

UCP would most likely say "Army."

But AN/PEQ-16A says Marines.

I wonder if it's an exposure/saturation thing.

~Augee

Posted: 5/27/2013 1:05:53 PM EDT

[#32]

Maybe he's an Army Seal.

Posted: 5/27/2013 5:40:14 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
His sleeve is ACU. that's not a marine dude.

UCP would most likely say "Army."

But AN/PEQ-16A says Marines.

I wonder if it's an exposure/saturation thing.

~Augee

It is most definitely woodland Marpat. You guys need to check your hue and saturation on your monitors.

Posted: 5/27/2013 5:41:37 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The KAC 600 BUIS is the program of record for the Marine Corps

true that!!!

The Matech BUIS is shit.

FIFY

Never said they were good.

Posted: 5/27/2013 6:20:00 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
His sleeve is ACU. that's not a marine dude.

UCP would most likely say "Army."

But AN/PEQ-16A says Marines.

I wonder if it's an exposure/saturation thing.

~Augee

It is most definitely woodland Marpat. You guys need to check your hue and saturation on your monitors.

Maybe. It absolutely looks like UCP on my screen, but the PEQ makes me wonder.

Posted: 5/28/2013 2:52:01 AM EDT

[#36]

OK on my phone now and yeah, it's marpat.

Posted: 5/28/2013 9:45:53 AM EDT

[#37]

We were issued the Aimpoint T-1 for use with the 203. For primary optics though, in my unit it is RCO only. If you add your own BUIS you better not get caught.

Posted: 5/28/2013 9:56:43 AM EDT

[#38]

Green, brown, tan & black is not ACU

Posted: 5/28/2013 10:13:26 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
The set of photos that I pulled the one in the first post from were billed as "close quarter tactics shooting at the Kaneohe Bay range training facility, May 13", and being carried out by the USMC. Another point is that the Aimpoint sight has some sort of painted-on rack number, which, if I owned it on my personal firearm, would not be there.

I googled "Kaneohe Bay Range", and it looks like it's part of a Marine camp at Kaneohe Bay, HI.

So I concluded, reasonably I think, that the rifle and the equipment mounted on it were USMC issue.

I used a KAC flip up and was issued none

I have rack numbers on my LaRue ACOG mount - personally bought.... (never put it in the armory with my EOTech that I usually used but I'm sure it would have ended up with numbers as well if I did (and was allowed to) do so)

I'm more amazed someone booked time on KBay's range - I only shot there a handful of times.... also, probably not MARSOC

Posted: 5/28/2013 10:14:46 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
If he's wearing Woodland MarPat and the photo was taken on May 13, he's wearing the wrong uniform.

We switch over to Desert MarPats at Daylight Savings Time, unless Hawaii is OFP.

not anymore

probably for the "field" though (not sure how you're in the field when you can walk to the PX)

Posted: 5/28/2013 10:15:51 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If he's wearing Woodland MarPat and the photo was taken on May 13, he's wearing the wrong uniform.

We switch over to Desert MarPats at Daylight Savings Time, unless Hawaii is OFP.

I have worn woodlands in Hawaii in July for Rim Pac 06' because the leadership told me to. Also, if you are going to the field, the unit leaders can decide what cammies you will be wearing, and since it is Hawaii, woodlands match better than deserts unless you are doing beach landings. Deserts/woodlands April/October only matter for garrison.

Most likely, he is Marsoc or some other top tier unit that can get away with not wearing a kevlar and have non issued gear on his rifle.

all of this but the red - I'll agree it's odd I don't see his kevlar also though