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Good review and thanks for your service !!
I bet the 7.62 version would be very nice on my FAL. EMSflyer |
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Good review and thanks for your service !! I bet the 7.62 version would be very nice on my FAL. EMSflyer I have a AR10-T that might get a carbine or SBR upper. So I might need a Second one. |
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4. And the biggest complaint. Larue doesn't make a replacement mount for it. (Yes I love the Larue cool aid)
My biggest complaint as well. Come on Mark, get to work on a mount! |
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I was under the impression only the Dark Earth colored optic was equiped with IR settings.
How does one know which one has IR now? Is it marked on the optic somewere? |
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We have a NIB 7.62 reticle version in stock if anyone needs one give us a call. We have ONE of these.
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We have a NIB 7.62 reticle version in stock if anyone needs one give us a call. We have ONE of these. Vic Do you know the answer to my question above about the IR capable models? |
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The ELCAN Specter DR’s are one of the best 1-4x scope on the market. I had a prototype and I would have kept it but they wanted it back. The Flip-Switch 1x to 4x is a very great way to go, the daytime illumination is outstanding, optics are great, and the reticle is a very nice layout.
Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS on AR15.com FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS on Snipersparadise FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS on the HIDE |
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I am really happy you like it. Seriously. I am a block 2 enduser and in my unit the specter has not been well recieved. Most guys wont use it.
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I am really happy you like it. Seriously. I am a block 2 enduser and in my unit the specter has not been well recieved. Most guys wont use it. Issues with the mount, external adjustments, weight and problems holding zero? If there is anything else please tell those of us who are on the fence about this optic. |
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Thanks for the review it helps me narrow my search ..
Been looking at either the Elcan SpectreDR or the Nightforce 1- 4 NXS for my Noveske N4 rifle-I,ve decided it will be one or the other... |
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I am really happy you like it. Seriously. I am a block 2 enduser and in my unit the specter has not been well recieved. Most guys wont use it. I really like the ELCAN Specter DR. There are other 1-4x sights I like the NF NXS 1-4x, S&B 1.1-4x, MeOpta K-Dot 1-4, the Trijicon 1-4x and the 1.24-4x have all been good but if it way may choice I would got with the ELCAN Specter DR. We sale all the ones listed above. Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS on AR15.com FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS on Snipersparadise FEEDBACK about CSGUNWORKS on the HIDE |
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I am really happy you like it. Seriously. I am a block 2 enduser and in my unit the specter has not been well recieved. Most guys wont use it
Ok, can you please elaborate? |
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I am really happy you like it. Seriously. I am a block 2 enduser and in my unit the specter has not been well recieved. Most guys wont use it. Issues with the mount, external adjustments, weight and problems holding zero? If there is anything else please tell those of us who are on the fence about this optic. You hit the nail on the head. Mostly the mount though. |
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I am really happy you like it. Seriously. I am a block 2 enduser and in my unit the specter has not been well recieved. Most guys wont use it
Ok, can you please elaborate? The mount (ARMS) is not very good like most ARMS products, and is on backwards- that is, the hardware is on the right (ejection) side. Arms mounts break as I have seen this happen 3x in combat. Also we dont like the bulk and ext. elevatio adjustment. Most guys will use the ACOG and carry a eo tech or aimpoint and change them out as needed. |
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I could never figure this one out.
What is the downside to the ARMS release levers being on the ejection side of the rifle? |
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I could never figure this one out. What is the downside to the ARMS release levers being on the ejection side of the rifle? I don't see any. If you had the levers on the other side then they would be in the way of the 1x-4x adjustment lever. Flip the lever to the opposite side and you have to use your firing hand to change magnification settings if your right handed. I can't wait to see what Larue comes up with as a replacement mount when/if that day comes. Probably something half the weight and twice as strong. With a much better repeat zero. |
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Since someone decided to advertise in my thread. The Elcan SpecterDR can also be found in stock and for less than BlowTachs advertised price at the following distributors. MDS Optics (but doesn't say calibration) Dynamic Armament 7.62 calibration Weapon Parts 5.56 calibration Weapon Parts 7.62 calibration |
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I think the mount is too complicated for Larue to build one considering how many are out there.
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Quoted: 3. Batteries. (No military optics use the same batteries as the SpecterDR. However putting a CR123 housing or a AA housing on it would make it much to bulky.) You might want to check on that one bud. ETA: yep, its the same batt thats in the Aimpoint M2/M3 and Leupy scopes. |
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Quoted: I think the mount is too complicated for Larue to build one considering how many are out there. Pretty much. The scope would have to take a vacation to TX for a week or 2 if LT came up with anything. |
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3. Batteries. (No military optics use the same batteries as the SpecterDR. However putting a CR123 housing or a AA housing on it would make it much to bulky.) You might want to check on that one bud. ETA: yep, its the same batt thats in the Aimpoint M2/M3 and Leupy scopes. Checked it too. The off brand battery in the Aimpoint M3 threw me off. Is is the same as the Duracell AA 1/3 that came with the SpecterDR. I have edited the OP to reflect the correct info. |
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I think the mount is too complicated for Larue to build one considering how many are out there. Pretty much. The scope would have to take a vacation to TX for a week or 2 if LT came up with anything. I'll disagree, The "hinge" that locks the optic to the mount just needs a key for each side so it can be unscrewed and removed. If a new Larue mount included these keys an end user could install it with no more difficulty than any Larue optic mount that requires a star key. |
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I purchased one last week. Compared to the ACOG there is no comparison. The Elcan has a big, wide, glass to stare through with both eyes open. No swinking the eye to see through it. Eyes wide open.
The glass is crystall clear and the red dot is the bomb. When you go to the 4x and the cross hairs, it's easy to see. I ordered the mini red dot mount and will try it out (because I have a Docter mini just sitting arond) but I don't think I'll need it. The 1x is that easy to acquire. The eye reliefe from the Elcan is also much better then the ACOG. Just my 2 cents but I'm happy I have the Elcan. |
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On 1x it is clear enough and low distortion enough I can use my iron sights in a sort of bottom 1/4 co witness.
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I purchased one last week. Compared to the ACOG there is no comparison. The Elcan has a big, wide, glass to stare through with both eyes open. No swinking the eye to see through it. Eyes wide open. The glass is crystall clear and the red dot is the bomb. When you go to the 4x and the cross hairs, it's easy to see. I ordered the mini red dot mount and will try it out (because I have a Docter mini just sitting arond) but I don't think I'll need it. The 1x is that easy to acquire. The eye reliefe from the Elcan is also much better then the ACOG. Just my 2 cents but I'm happy I have the Elcan. Where did you order the red dot mount from? Thanks, ~Augee |
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No light on your M4 SOC? That's crazy... I subscribe to the. "There is a lot of things I'd point a light at that I wouldn't want to point a rifle at." Mentality. |
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No light on your M4 SOC? That's crazy... I subscribe to the. "There is a lot of things I'd point a light at that I wouldn't want to point a rifle at." Mentality. You don't have to point your light at something to illuminate it, especially indoor. The spill off of bouncing your light off the floor or ceiling is pretty bright. There are TTPs that can help mitigate muzzle sweeps when using a white light on a rifle. |
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I went through Ted at Armament technologies for the mount for the MRD
Ted Milner Armament Technology Incorporated | |3045 Robie Street, Suite 113 E-mail: [email protected] | |Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Tel: (902) 454-6384 ext 221 | |B3K 4P6 Fax: (902) 454-4641 | I also ordered the bicini covers from them. In addition, I got the scopecoat to protect it from http://www.scopecoat.com/ Quoted:
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I purchased one last week. Compared to the ACOG there is no comparison. The Elcan has a big, wide, glass to stare through with both eyes open. No swinking the eye to see through it. Eyes wide open. The glass is crystall clear and the red dot is the bomb. When you go to the 4x and the cross hairs, it's easy to see. I ordered the mini red dot mount and will try it out (because I have a Docter mini just sitting arond) but I don't think I'll need it. The 1x is that easy to acquire. The eye reliefe from the Elcan is also much better then the ACOG. Just my 2 cents but I'm happy I have the Elcan. Where did you order the red dot mount from? Thanks, ~Augee |
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No light on your M4 SOC? That's crazy... I subscribe to the. "There is a lot of things I'd point a light at that I wouldn't want to point a rifle at." Mentality. You don't have to point your light at something to illuminate it, especially indoor. The spill off of bouncing your light off the floor or ceiling is pretty bright. There are TTPs that can help mitigate muzzle sweeps when using a white light on a rifle. A flashlight that bright is only going to be used by US forces. It can be seen and identified from miles away. Even if they spot your vehicles going into a particular aria they don know what house your in tell you turn on a surefire. This becomes very bad if your in A-stan and it's a mortar team that spots you. It will wash out all NODs and kill your natural night vision. Red filters or the key fob lights are better in most cases. White is minimal use only and I have a dedicated pen light for that. I do have a surefire on a mount if I need it on my rifle. For the last 10 months I haven't been in a situation where I wished I had it. |
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No light on your M4 SOC? That's crazy... I subscribe to the. "There is a lot of things I'd point a light at that I wouldn't want to point a rifle at." Mentality. You don't have to point your light at something to illuminate it, especially indoor. The spill off of bouncing your light off the floor or ceiling is pretty bright. There are TTPs that can help mitigate muzzle sweeps when using a white light on a rifle. A flashlight that bright is only going to be used by US forces. It can be seen and identified from miles away. Even if they spot your vehicles going into a particular aria they don know what house your in tell you turn on a surefire. This becomes very bad if your in A-stan and it's a mortar team that spots you. It will wash out all NODs and kill your natural night vision. Red filters or the key fob lights are better in most cases. White is minimal use only and I have a dedicated pen light for that. I do have a surefire on a mount if I need it on my rifle. For the last 10 months I haven't been in a situation where I wished I had it. You're absolutely right - mission drives the gear. I was just referencing your statement that you did not like to point your muzzle at things you might not want to shoot. |
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Great review by the OP. Here's my experience with them...I have a three SpecterDR's (two are the SOCOM FDE version the third is the commercial version...same as the OP's) and a S&B Short Dot CQB. I have to say, the SpecterDR's is a great optic (as is the S&B Short Dot). The only two negatives I've found is that they're heavier than say my ACOG's or Aimpoints (but I think about the same as the Aimpoint with a magnifier and all the mounts) and the eye relief isn't as generous as the Short Dot...definitely need to shoot ACOG-like NTCH if you mount a BUIS under the SpecterDR. If you run the DR w/o a BUIS and move it as far back as possible, you can shoot the wrong way (non-NTCH). Also, you can't run a lower third co-wit BUIS due to the eye relief (and that's true on the Short Dot too...it's got a long ER, but not long enough to run a BUIS)
I've used all three in many carbine training courses and treat them no different than any other piece of gear (no babying), mounted/unmounted onto different rifles, etc., etc...they've worked flawlessly. As for S&B vs. SpecterDR...in the ARF.com tradition, I bought BOTH (and then some). Honestly, I'd have to flip a coin, I would have no problems if I was issued either one. The Short Dot does have the ability to run at magnifications between 1.1x and 4x so you can say run it at 2x if you prefer....SpecterDR is 1x or 4x only but I haven't found this to be a negative for me. Also, I've never had the zero go out (the elevation knob has a lock in case people don't know and the windage "knob" isn't easy to turn since you need a coin or something similar). Zero from 4x to 1x are on with all three units. I only seem to hear second hand "problems" with the SpecterDR's or problems with no backup data so I don't know what to say about that. FWIW, out of the dozen SpecterDR's that I have access to (like ones owned by friends and such), I've never heard of a SINGLE issue. |
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We have a NIB 7.62 AND 5.56 reticle version in stock if anyone needs one give us a call or email. We have them IN Stock . [email protected] |
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So does anyone have a photo of the SpecterDR mounted on an FAL?
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So how is it holding up? All I've read from the "experts" is that these are junk, even though that info is usually second hand and contrary to what actual users say.
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I have been very happy with mine. Just bench shooting so far, but I did drop the entire rifle pretty much right on the optic after sighting it in initially at 50 yards. When I took it back out to move back to 100 yards it was still very much on target. Also didn't have a problem hitting a 16x9 steel plate at 300 yards. The drawback that I do see is when you cannot get a good cheekweld/eye relief such as supine or other stances... As others have mentioned the reticle lines are thick, but see above. It also does weigh a ton, 1.3lbs+. Still if I had to do it over again, I'd still buy it.
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Mine is holding up fine being beat around in MRAPS and so on. Needs a shooting test. I'll be trying it out on mt AR-15 and AR-10 once I'm home as well as my FAL once I finish building it.
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Elcan SpecterDR AAR.
Well It survived Iraq, It got banged around quit a bit and even dropped off the top of the MRAP But even then the "scuffs" just whipped off of it. Was able to zero it at a local range in Iraq. Only took 9 rounds. (3 sets of 3 shot groups, it was less than 3 moa off POI) Next up will be here in North Carolina, plenty of freezing cold, rain, mud, etc. to torture this thing with. I will have to take it easy on the "Throw Levers" as it has been proven time and again in a Larue thread that, if you try they will break. |
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Thanks for the review Soc. All the other reviews I have read about this optic were from people who had just bought one or dealers. I am happy to hear that it is GTG. Thanks for your service
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Do the screws used on the current build of the scope still rust if you take your gun out in the rain and don't bother to dry it off?
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Do the screws used on the current build of the scope still rust if you take your gun out in the rain and don't bother to dry it off? It's hot and dry in Iraq, so I haven't seen any rust. Right now I'm in North Carolina, humid, cold, wet. I'll be sure to test that. |
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How does the SpecterDr, when set on 4X, compare with an ACOG? Eye relief, clarity, speed of target acquisition, ect. ect?
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How does the SpecterDr, when set on 4X, compare with an ACOG? Eye relief, clarity, speed of target acquisition, ect. ect? The SpecterDr is everything the ACOG wishes it could be but with a weight penalty. Wider FOV A larger "Sweet spot" for eve relief. Crystal clear (Both are clear but the DR seems to gather more light. Speed DR has a wider FOV larger sweet spot and illumination that is independent of external light. Multiple brightness settings, DOT or Cross hair. No annoying squint-o-vision unlike the ACOG. 1x power setting. Built in back up sights. Only a couple - for DR. It is twice the weight of even the larger 4x ACOG. Mount is made by ARMS with no aftermarket mount available. |
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How does the SpecterDr, when set on 4X, compare with an ACOG? Eye relief, clarity, speed of target acquisition, ect. ect? The SpecterDr is everything the ACOG wishes it could be but with a weight penalty. Wider FOV A larger "Sweet spot" for eve relief. Crystal clear (Both are clear but the DR seems to gather more light. Speed DR has a wider FOV larger sweet spot and illumination that is independent of external light. Multiple brightness settings, DOT or Cross hair. No annoying squint-o-vision unlike the ACOG. 1x power setting. Built in back up sights. Only a couple - for DR. It is twice the weight of even the larger 4x ACOG. Mount is made by ARMS with no aftermarket mount available. The ACOG actually has a wider field of view, contrary to impressions. |
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How does the SpecterDr, when set on 4X, compare with an ACOG? Eye relief, clarity, speed of target acquisition, ect. ect? The SpecterDr is everything the ACOG wishes it could be but with a weight penalty. Wider FOV A larger "Sweet spot" for eve relief. Crystal clear (Both are clear but the DR seems to gather more light. Speed DR has a wider FOV larger sweet spot and illumination that is independent of external light. Multiple brightness settings, DOT or Cross hair. No annoying squint-o-vision unlike the ACOG. 1x power setting. Built in back up sights. Only a couple - for DR. It is twice the weight of even the larger 4x ACOG. Mount is made by ARMS with no aftermarket mount available. The ACOG actually has a wider field of view, contrary to impressions. The 3x ACOG has a wider FOV than the DR I'm assuming a 4x ACOG to get closer to apple vs apple. |
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SOC, what kind of battery life are you getting? I've had mine for 4 months now with 7+ trips to the range on it, not sure on total hours though...
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