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Posted: 8/1/2007 1:27:19 PM EDT
[#1]
It'll go very well with all the clone pos Leupolds
 I want to start a pole asking people if they think clone shit topics should be banned here. Yes I know I don't have to click on them, still, a real firearms discussion board discussing toys, somehow seems idiotic 
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Posted: 8/1/2007 1:29:36 PM EDT
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Sure, Sally. Why don't you take it as the PSA that it was intended as? |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 1:30:44 PM EDT
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im going to assume its a heads up to watch for more fake shit flooding the boards. I have noticed the amount of Larue SPR mounts for sale have gone up a bit in the last 2 weeks
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Posted: 8/1/2007 1:35:27 PM EDT
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I never thought about it, but your 100% right. Man I hope that it's just coincidence... -X |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 1:35:47 PM EDT
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I do see it as a PSA, I just used it as an opportunity to vent, it wasn't directed towards the original poster
 I know we're on the same page re: fake crap.
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Posted: 8/1/2007 1:36:39 PM EDT
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.................And will probably continue to do so with the changes over at EGAY, the clone vendors will be flooding GunBroker, GunsAmerica, & forums trade/sell sections. I applaud the OP for pointing these things out, as well as others who out these frauds. The OP didn't intend to point it out to airsofters, but to us firearms owners. |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 1:37:56 PM EDT
[#7]
can't Mark sue? thats bullshit!!!
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Posted: 8/1/2007 2:01:53 PM EDT
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I certainly hope so. |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 2:03:02 PM EDT
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That's very lame.
At least it's different enough that you could spot a fake one over a real one. I can't believe they had the balls to use the larue logo and engrave USA into the mount. |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 2:20:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2007 2:22:12 PM EDT
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ohh jeez, the world has come to an end.
considering the fake arms mount I got second hand was about 1 inch to big for my rails, I don't have much faith in fakes. |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 3:21:26 PM EDT
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I wonder if this should go to the New AR Products forum
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Posted: 8/1/2007 3:35:07 PM EDT
[#13]
i would never buy something fake that says "larue" on it, that is just wrong!
but thanks for the link to the site. I tried some of those king arms scope rings before and they are the bomb! 
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Posted: 8/1/2007 3:41:38 PM EDT
[#14]
Tag for outcome...can't wait for Mark to sue to piss out of these people.
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Posted: 8/1/2007 4:41:20 PM EDT
[#15]
+1 |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 5:21:55 PM EDT
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Has anyone considered a clone thread, with links, and a quick junk/ok product review?
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Posted: 8/1/2007 5:26:09 PM EDT
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We've been pirated.
Yes, we know about it. An ARFcommer shot us a link a couple weeks back. We have just now come into possession of the pirated LT-104 mounts. Yep, they copied our logo, part number, same USA engraving etc. Nope, the quality is beyond not there ... they left off all the critical stuff. But from 20 feet, it does look like one, and displaces the same amount of water. With the freight from communist china tacked-on, the landed cost was about $95 bucks. Pics to follow. And of course we're workin' it. Does anyone remember the f^ckstick that said if he couldn't get the price he wanted, that he was just buying stuff off of the EE and sending it for pirating in HongKong ?? I need that name. LaRue |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 5:33:38 PM EDT
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Don't appear to have the little oil hole on the front lever base.
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Posted: 8/1/2007 5:38:43 PM EDT
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good to hear you're on the trail. Good luck, sock it to 'em! |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 5:46:44 PM EDT
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Yeah I remember that guy that said he'd have the clones made and sell them here, do ya think he did it? Too convenient I think, if one were to do such a thing, it'd be unwise to come to ar15.com and spill the beans here.
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Posted: 8/1/2007 5:48:00 PM EDT
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IIRC that thread was about forearms. |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 6:01:23 PM EDT
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Can add GRSC to that list. ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=315758 |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 6:10:37 PM EDT
[#23]
BLASPHEMY!!
I'll just order straight from Mark from here on. |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 6:18:17 PM EDT
[#24]
 What do ya mean?
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Posted: 8/1/2007 6:32:09 PM EDT
[#25]
Thats why all I buy all my shit direct from Larue. Oh, and the free shit they give you kinda influenced that too. |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 6:46:35 PM EDT
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Makes you wonder how much fake crap you have bought and don't know about it. I was looking at the WGC that was hotlinked above, damn, they copy everything. Magpul CTR stocks, PRI stuff, lights. This is why I ask everyone I buy from if they can produce a receipt from the product they have for sale. Oh well, it looks like I'm back to buying direct from the manufacture's.
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Posted: 8/1/2007 6:52:52 PM EDT
[#27]
TAG.
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Posted: 8/1/2007 7:04:08 PM EDT
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... I deal with this daily on a professional basis
Someone needs to do a side-by-side, specification comparison between the two mounts. While I do not advocate patent infringement whatsoever, if all engineering specifications passed a 100% FAI, there really is no difference between the two other than the stolen trademark (and intellectual property) from Mr. LaRue In today's world of CAD/CAM/CAE, reverse engineering is pretty much "old hat". Meaning, if I were to invest the effort in characterizing the alloy, digitized the geometry, created para-solid 3D model and then CNC machined the [insert your favorite tactical component here], I too could create an exact replica that even Mark could not tell the difference sans ink. Me? I pay for the "good shit", as I'm a man of principle. But don't kid yourself. If the component's price doesn't support what the market will bear, some unscrupulous entrepreneur will replicate the part and undercut the prices of the "good shit". See related: Music and video pirating |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 7:24:27 PM EDT
[#29]
what could you possibly be referencing? |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 7:28:28 PM EDT
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The Magpul stuff at least is actually made by Magpul, there was a thread about that a while back. Magpul figured if the airsoft companies going to steal their designs anyway, they may as well make airsoft stocks/etc themselves and make money off that industry, too. The Larue rip off is ridiculous, and because of that I think I'll buy an Aimpoint package from Mark this week
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Posted: 8/1/2007 7:36:21 PM EDT
[#31]
Uh, GRSC designed that scope, couldn't get it built anywhere else, and outsourced it to China. He's not pirating anything. You really should do a little research before making accusations like that.  From the first post in that thread:
Where do you get pirating from that? |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 8:17:15 PM EDT
[#32]
The face I made when I opened that link was somewhere between
 and First thing I noticed was the fact that they copied the logos and USA engraving. My second thought was "how the fuck did the Chinamen get their hands on a larue mount?" It's even a copy of the newer revision, with the locking tabs on the levers... Somebody here DEFINITELY had this commissioned. |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 8:20:11 PM EDT
[#33]
Not claiming GRSC is pirating. But he is supporting a country and probably a manufacturer that does.
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Posted: 8/1/2007 8:26:14 PM EDT
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So are you, unless everything (including the pc and keyboard you typed that on, as well as the components (wiring, circuitry, fittings, etc) used in the internet service you pay to use and the power company you get a bill from) was made in the USA, which I doubt in todays world. He tried other venues 1st, they ignored him. |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 9:00:14 PM EDT
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so he should have just decided to quit pursuing what he thought was something that would eventually be valuable to folks in combat because all the US manuf's shot him down... anyways, i don't wanna give too much bandwidth to this nonsense... back to the shameful copying of american products |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 9:02:04 PM EDT
[#36]
Why did the Romanians (IOR) drop him?
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Posted: 8/1/2007 9:16:41 PM EDT
[#37]
call Ed and ask him... |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 9:24:19 PM EDT
[#38]
TAG to follow both parallel threads.
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Posted: 8/1/2007 9:30:42 PM EDT
[#39]
Anyone who would knowingly buy a knock-off LaRue style mount from China to mount on a real firearm is seriously an idiot. This goes way beyond cheaping out on parts and ACOG/M68 clones, into "fake silencer" territory.
 If you don't want to spend that much, there are US made options that would perform better than the knock-offs and probably be as cheap as or cheaper than as well, without making you look like an assclown. |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 10:29:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Money. I don't know who's, but it was money. 1: They did not want to pay him what he wanted to license the reticule. 2: They did not want to spend the cash to add another reticule to the product line. 3: As a man of principle, he thought they were going price the scope beyond the reach of the shooters he cared about (US! )4: He wanted more control over the product (and cash) then they were going give him. Just a guess, but something like those reasons. |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 12:37:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/2/2007 1:32:38 AM EDT
[#42]
Oh wow! the QD mount I wanted at a fraction of the price!!
oh my jokes. Sue these fuckers back to the stone age! |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 3:23:48 AM EDT
[#43]
Congratulations Mark. You and your team have finally "made it".
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 3:34:21 AM EDT
[#44]
MAN THERE SHOULD BE A LAW
IT MAKES ME SICK I cant belive someone WOULD BUY it on Purpose
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Posted: 8/2/2007 4:03:56 AM EDT
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I predict it will be a big hit with the ARFCOM/ living in Mommys basement/ airsoft monkey-boys who frequent the general discussion board.
. . . . . . Hmm, which Larue hat should I wear today. |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 4:19:01 AM EDT
[#46]
I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but ML's legal options seem limited, from the reading I have done. He cannot sue the assclowns who are actively manufacturing these if they in China, well he can sue, but it will be a waste of money. Because China really does not give a shit about IP, multitude of reasons behid that but it is a fact. Thinking ML's best recourse would be to sic Customs on the folks importing/exporting these here in the states. Big ugly fines for traffcing in military items. We all know these knockoffs are not of the level to be considered 'milspec', but the fuckers are trying to pass their crap off as the real deal, so lets hope they get the real deal prosecution  ETA fixed a sentence |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 4:27:53 AM EDT
[#47]
Larue isn't the only one. AIMPOINT, EOTECH, and OAKLEY have the same trouble with chinese copies. oakley.com/report_fakes |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 4:35:52 AM EDT
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Oakleys have been getting ripped off for years. When I was in Cancun in March 1998, I saw a million Oakley knockoffs. Some were pathetic, some were damn close. I didn't buy any because I would have felt dishonest. |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 6:14:26 AM EDT
[#49]
Gotta admire the chinese for trying.
I don't like La Rues prices myself but you get what you pay for in the real world. To me I keep figuring....it'll probably last forever...unlike the Chinese crap. But everyday I worry a little because they are getting better and better despite the stealing and fraud, they are getting better that soon we'll never know what is what and which is which. |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 6:35:33 AM EDT
[#50]
I am not the smartest person in the world, even though I am a heart surgeon....
 I just saw the fake shit and compared it to my Larue stuff and I cannot tell the difference between the two. You people are good if you can spot the difference. OHH BTW...You Larue guys need to stop sending me free stuff when I place my order. I now have a black and Tan hat as well as some dillos. I will now need to order more shit so I can get the green hat.
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