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Posted: 12/19/2006 8:17:14 PM EDT
for those of you out there that have to have the best or depend on their rifle w/their lives, read no further....but for whoever thinks that the aimpoint 3x is way overpriced for what it is this might be for you.
I bought a cheap hensoldt optic (2.5x) for some sort of launcher from (ahem) cheaper than dirt. www.cheaperthandirt.com/SCP097-48365-1452.html I cut the eyecup off mine, it has some markings for aiming(for its original purpose)but the optics themself are very clear. mounted it in a cheap cantilever ring w/a 1" spacer and ouila. pic thru my eotech  pic thru the 2.5x  pic. on my rifle Well. last night left a friends house w/this unit sitting on my truck and drove off........ found it this morning on the opposite side of the road....a little beat up. I'm guessing it got hit twice overnight but who knows. slapped it in a new mount and cleaned it up.......... glass is still perfect |
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Posted: 12/19/2006 8:33:01 PM EDT
[#1]
That is pretty slick. Is the optic tube aluminum?
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Posted: 12/19/2006 8:41:16 PM EDT
[#2]
that's pretty damn neat and i hope you don't mind if a TAG this
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Posted: 12/19/2006 9:16:24 PM EDT
[#3]
I bought two myself awhile back. By the way, that rubber eye cup comes off if you pull it towards the front. Here it is on my 10/22. The dot isn't lined up right now but I can wiggle it around a bit and have the red dot in the center of the top circle, great for range finding. Though the eye relief isn't exactly stellar, it does work pretty well in broad daylight.
 
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Posted: 12/19/2006 9:59:05 PM EDT
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do you have any problems with paralax?
-edit could u attempt the same with one of those cheap monocular night vision sets get a 3x (most ocmmon i can't find any 1x) and find a way to mount it behind an aimpoint, will that give you your NV plus 3x zoom? |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 4:01:24 AM EDT
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I just dont understand, You pay for magpul products, float tudes, vert grip, and eotech. Then will only pay 10 bucks for another optic.
Just don't make change to me. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 4:29:13 AM EDT
[#6]
And a very nice POF upper! Cool setup!
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Posted: 12/20/2006 4:42:16 AM EDT
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It's for a German Panzerfaust 3 rocket launcher. I've seen those before but never thought of that! That's a good idea!
ETA: Think it would work with the eye piece? 
IMO, I dont think the magnifyer should be more than the actual optic. All it is is a 3x scope without a reticle, isnt it? So why pay $470 for one? You could buy a new complete upper for that 
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Posted: 12/20/2006 4:48:02 AM EDT
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Maybe it's because he has all those items you listed that he can't afford an Aimpoint 3x?  Just kidding. It's his rifle and he can do with it what he pleases. I think it was a good idea. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:04:11 AM EDT
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I just sold off a 3X because of the price to performance ratio. I think I'll order one of these and give it a try. I like that is has ranging info in the reticle.
Stephen |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:12:14 AM EDT
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Simple I don't really need a magnified optic on this AR for what I use it for ( I have other AR's with optics ) BUT, A cheap magnifier might be handy when plinking at the range. 
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:51:59 AM EDT
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Pretty Damn Innovative  .Evil Eye --> Your rifle...Your decision on what you want to do with it. Good Lookin' Rig IMO. -Doc |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 6:34:16 AM EDT
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Because some people know how to be creative and not get screwed :) I do the same shit. There are things I will pay $$$ for and things where I wont no matter how good the mfg say they are. 3x optics is just that. A multiplier. Its just glass, nothing more. You'd be an idiot to pay hundreds for it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 6:47:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2006 7:06:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2006 7:13:24 AM EDT
[#15]
Very creative.
Do you use a 30mm ring with the rubber attached? How about with it removed? |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 7:15:10 AM EDT
[#16]
+1 the Aimpoint magnifier is one of the more overpriced pieces of gear on the market. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 7:26:24 AM EDT
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www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=291 |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 8:11:12 AM EDT
[#18]
Very well done. Thats a great idea. We often pig hunt in very tight cover that is perfect for the Eothingy, but occasionally have shots at 2-300 yards. This is the perfect cost effective solution for that...
Can someone point me to where I can get an inexpensive cantilever mount like the one Evileyes is using? B |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 8:25:56 AM EDT
[#19]
i have a simons monocular thats roughly the same size but is 8x i just held it behind my aimpoint and found that all i culd see at a distance (150+ yds) was a red blur, is it because of the magnification or do you guys see that too at a distance.
(noticed your targets where close range) |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 8:32:54 AM EDT
[#20]
4 moa Aimpoint dot x 8 = 32moa blur. 1/3moa EOTech dot x 8 = 2.66moa dot |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 9:47:19 AM EDT
[#21]
i love feeling stupid....
so even paying 20 bucks for that outfit would give me over 8 MOA when the only reason i would do it is to increase my range. its kind of pointless unless you have 2moa or less because accuracy goes to crap. thanks, just like to make sure i understand |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 9:53:04 AM EDT
[#22]
Just as a heads up, the standard front sight post covers well over 8 MOA and people still manage to crank out ok groups. Food for thought. ETA: Plus, obviously the actual MOA coverage would remain the same if actually looking through the magnifier. If using it BAC style, though, the MOA would increase as you say. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 10:25:34 AM EDT
[#23]
no you use a 1" ring. the rubber i removed was an eyecup |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 8:47:57 PM EDT
[#24]
Actually, the monoculare would increase the dot and background by 8x, so the MOA coverage of the dot should remain the same. The dot would just look 8 times bigger than normal when looking through the magnifier (but so would the background). |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 10:27:00 PM EDT
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Precisely, EVERYTHING is 8x larger, the dot isnt singled out and magnified while everything else is left the same. thats silly
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Posted: 1/5/2007 6:06:33 AM EDT
[#26]
eta pics.
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Posted: 1/6/2007 8:02:11 PM EDT
[#27]
Neat! Love the impromptu durability test.
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Posted: 1/9/2007 10:44:28 AM EDT
[#28]
FYI they are back in stock, I put an order to try it out.
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Posted: 1/10/2007 2:09:05 AM EDT
[#29]
+1 Now I get to play with my EOthingy with magnification, since there was no way in hell I was going to pay more for a magnifier than a 552 sight! |
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Posted: 1/14/2007 5:54:54 PM EDT
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Questions.
1. How is the optical clarity? German optics usually have a good rep. But were these surplused because they were foggy or clouded lenses? 2. How old are these things? when were they originally fielded? 3. whats the eye relief like? |
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Posted: 1/14/2007 6:14:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Okay i'm going to give it a try.
I already fabrigated a mount that will make it line up perfectly with my Eotech on a LaRue Mount. If anyone has a BSquare AR15 scope mount. Cut the mount right in front of the steel peg that indexes in the flat top rail. this is the new FRONT of the mount. Then cut it off right behind the closest scope ring to that indexing peg. Thats the back of the new mount. Cut the thumb screw bar off so you have a piece about 1.5" long as your fastener. At the right rear side you need to take off about 1/2" of the right rail to clear the charging handle. Touch it up with black spray paint and your done. Lines up perfectly with a Eotech on a LaRue mount.
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Posted: 1/14/2007 6:37:16 PM EDT
[#32]
taggage
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Posted: 1/14/2007 11:05:28 PM EDT
[#33]
I'll chime in with some more info: 1) Optics are decent, nowhere near say a nice Leupold, they have a slight yellow tint to them but nothing bad as the blue tint on an Aimpoint. They are NIB, yah, brand new, never been out of the packing it seems. 2) The one I opened up is dated 1979 on the scope body. Markings beneath the rubber eyecovers are: Hensoldt Wetzlar ZF 2x17 PZF44-2A1 1240-12-159-7683 1979 3) Eye relief is dissappointing if this thing was $300, but at $20 I can't complain. It's around 1.25". If you use one I would advise leaving the rubber cover on and adjust it to your liking so you can simply press your eye against it and not have to hover to get the image in clear view. Overall this thing is built like a tank, much better than my Aimpoint M2. And well they should be considering they were mounted on Anti-Tank weapons and is subjected to some pretty harsh abuses in the field. And if you know anything about scope makers you know how nice Hensoldt scopes are. |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 3:45:30 PM EDT
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I run one on my AR15 with an eotech. They are LNIB, still foil vaccum packed. I work at CTD, so I was onto this about 4 months ago. Its a tough fucking optic. |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 3:51:23 PM EDT
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awesome thread! does anyone have any ideas for devising a side-flip mount so the magnifier could be flipped out of the way when not needed?
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Posted: 1/15/2007 5:44:50 PM EDT
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I've found ProMag cantilever mounts for $60, Anyone else find a decent mount? Nevis |
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Posted: 1/15/2007 6:03:15 PM EDT
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I just placed my order. The bitch is I will no doubt have to pay more for the mount than the optic
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Posted: 1/15/2007 6:26:30 PM EDT
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How 'bout some pics? 
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Posted: 1/15/2007 8:03:12 PM EDT
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Nevis wrote: "I've found ProMag cantilever mounts for $60, Anyone else find a decent mount?"
I wonder if the Promag is going to line up with Eotech when the Eotech is on a Larue riser. Any other good AND cheap solutions that will work and don't require lots of modification? I like that Knight's Armament cantilever mount BUT it's way pricey!!! 
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Posted: 1/16/2007 12:58:20 AM EDT
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Any 1" scope ring should work. Just need a rizer of some sort or a high ring. My original plan was to use a 1" weaver scope ring on a couple of those $10.00 YHM risers. but i ended up modifying an old B-square mount instead. |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 6:58:24 AM EDT
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How about the one that Jackyiscxd is selling on EE?
"Brand new KAC style scope ring for aimpoint, Cantilever mount(high mount) or "L" type mount(low mount) at your choice. ask for $15USD/each" It's most likely not as durable but, maybe a good, low cost alternative. www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=23&t=318369 |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 8:16:11 AM EDT
[#42]
I swear I looked through their site, missed it. I have an Aimpoint on a 22M68 cantilever, wonder if the "high mount" will line up? Nevis |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 8:58:22 AM EDT
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I'm confused. Is this thing 1" or 30mm?????
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Posted: 1/16/2007 12:30:38 PM EDT
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I just ordered on of these things from SPG. Just for shits and giggles I put my 553 in front of my 1.5-5 simmons. All I can say is wow! Talk about a nice cheap magnifier!!!!
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Posted: 1/16/2007 2:01:37 PM EDT
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I'm curious... what can't you hit within 300yds using a 4MOA Aimpoint or 1MOA EoTech, that you will be able to hit with a Getto rigged $20 2.5X magnafier...
If you need the magnification...then get a magnafied Optic like an ACOG... or yea.. I forgot..... your all cheap bastards....and what $20 optics on $60 mounts.... I love America... we will keep China employed for the next 100 or so years....  Why does everyone need to turn a red dot Reflex sight into something it is not.. which is a precision rig... |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 2:15:13 PM EDT
[#46]
Partially obscured steel plates on the side of hill that I have problems seeing w/o magnificaion. |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 2:28:21 PM EDT
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I think a better question would be "Why should I spend another $500 over the $500+ I've already spent on my 552 and LaRue riser for a magnifier that I'll only use once in a while?" No "$20 optics on $60 mounts" here, though. I'll either mount mine in a simple scope ring or I'll cut/weld/modify the Acog mount and/or carry handle scope mount I've got sitting in the closet. Total investment: less than $50 (inlcuding range finder, ring(s), shipping, tax, and filler rod)
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Posted: 1/16/2007 3:08:54 PM EDT
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China??? These magnifiers are made in Germany. The mount is up to you. |
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Posted: 1/16/2007 4:02:52 PM EDT
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Lucky these guys don't make kitchen appliances, dvds, HGTV's, or computers or we all would need to be millionaires.
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Posted: 1/16/2007 4:06:13 PM EDT
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Oh my! 5 years ago - $500 BM AR + $68 per 1K Wolf = Cheap Bastard Fun Being a really "Cheap Bastard" I still like to see how people innovate, adapt and overcome. $10 slings, $ .02 gappers, duct tape MAG Pulls, SPOT Red Dots etc. You can fix and or repair anything if you throw money at it. Innovation requires an idea, inspiration and a little know how. I don't think we should let the Chineese have all the fun. Nevis |
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