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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:29:26 AM EDT
(FWIW, I changed the title to be more descriptive in case anyone searches for this.)
Look what followed me home yesterday...     I didn't even know they were in the country yet.  Is there a thread about them somewhere that I missed?... |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:44:29 AM EDT
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Some here won't like it, but personally, I like the idea.
(Besides, I have 3 cases of .410 shells I otherwise have no use for....) Is that a standard AR lower? Have you tried to swap the upper onto another AR yet? It almost looke like the pistol grip and buttstock are one piece.........c'mon, man, we need details! 
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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:46:25 AM EDT
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I like it! How much?
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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:46:32 AM EDT
[#3]
Time to go rabbit hunting
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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:46:35 AM EDT
[#4]
Nice, first I have seen of these. Looks like it could be fun.
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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:50:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: ... Is that a standard AR lower? Have you tried to swap the upper onto another AR yet? It almost looke like the pistol grip and buttstock are one piece.........c'mon, man, we need details! I don't know yet.  I've been away for a week and just got home last night, so I mostly unpacked and then spent time with my family. I only got this out long enough to show it to them and snap these pics. The weather's nasty here, but I'll try to get out over the weekend and see what it will do. If not, I'll at least break it down, try it on some std. lowers, etc.  |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:52:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: I like it! How much? I traded for it, but it was marked $995. The store had two at that price and I would have bought them both... but the other was the "carbine" version & didn't appeal to me at all (carbine HGs but with the same bbl length and some mutant M4-ish profile changes –– ugly IMHO  ).They said they have 12-round mags for it on order and will call me as soon as they come in (this is a shop I have done a lot of business with over the years). |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:53:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2009 8:05:26 AM EDT
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I'm holding out for the 12 gauge upper.
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Posted: 3/27/2009 8:11:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm holding out for the 12 gauge upper. I don't think that would work with a std. lower, would it?  Besides, that's why I have these...  |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 8:43:43 AM EDT
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On the manufacturers website they show the assembled upper minus handgaurds under accessories. Looks to have some spring mechanism over the barrel. Is this a recoil dampener or is it a necessity since there is no gas system?
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Posted: 3/27/2009 8:54:23 AM EDT
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Damn, that's cool!
Ignore the question from me in the SG pic thread. |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 9:16:42 AM EDT
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Hardshell,
We had a thread or two talking about these in the Variants forum, but as far as I know you're the first to actually buy one. Looking forward to your range report...
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Posted: 3/27/2009 10:02:34 AM EDT
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It's funny, I haven't heard of anyone owning one of these either and I just got back from my local gun shop and they had 3 of them in stock for $920.
Looks like it would be a fun little gun. Could you imagine taking this to the local skeet range The guy there also told me that the upper and lower and interchangeable
with any other AR. I don't really have the money for one right now but if anyone here is interested it's called Green Mountain Guns in CO. |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 10:14:07 AM EDT
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I wonder if they will be selling barrels , bolts, and mags seperately. Or even complete uppers. That is so f*ing sweet- IMO. Only way it could be better is if you could shoot .45 LC too. It would be the "Judge" of the ARs.
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Posted: 3/27/2009 10:33:16 AM EDT
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Quoted:
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I'm holding out for the 12 gauge upper. I don't think that would work with a std. lower, would it?
Besides, that's why I have these... http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20Shotguns/S12x2wdrum12rd-right20.jpg
I got a saiga 12 now i noticed the 1st one is different then the other one. I got the one with the trigger guard all the way back on the rifle. Is there some way of converting it to the 1st one? or did you buy it that way |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 10:42:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: I got a saiga 12 now i noticed the 1st one is different then the other one. I got the one with the trigger guard all the way back on the rifle. Is there some way of converting it to the 1st one? or did you buy it that way The top one was built by Tromix, the bottom one was my own "Bubba" conversion –– both are GTG as far as US parts count, FTR. Most people move the trigger forward when they "convert" these themselves, but I did mine differently because I specifically wanted to use that purpose-built imported stock assy. |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 10:48:10 AM EDT
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Hardshell, We had a thread or two talking about these in the Variants forum, but as far as I know you're the first to actually buy one. Looking forward to your range report...
Amen to that. Before three minutes ago I didn't know these existed
Hardshell, how are you doing with 410 ammo? I have a few boxes, which is actually kind of silly since all three of my shotguns are 12ga
If you're interested, I'd be happy to donate what I have as a contribution to your range report. |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 10:51:55 AM EDT
[#18]
What the ...
Cool. 
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Posted: 3/27/2009 10:56:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: ... If you're interested, I'd be happy to donate what I have as a contribution to your range report. Very generous, but not necessary. I hope to pick some more up on the way home this afternoon –– I'd like to try a variety of loads through it, if possible. |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 11:02:56 AM EDT
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Tag for range report. I'd heard about these but you're the first guy that's actually gotten one, I think.
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Posted: 3/27/2009 11:04:27 AM EDT
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Very cool. My buddy's trying to get me to convert to Saiga's, and I must say, their tempting.
Just a little nit-pic though Hardshell...Is the safety loose? Or just not fully engaged in the detent? I'm looking at the .410 pics of course. And, Congrats. Cant wait for the range report.
EDIT for crappy spellin as usual
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Posted: 3/27/2009 11:25:29 AM EDT
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Besides, that's why I have these... http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20Shotguns/S12x2wdrum12rd-right20.jpg
Saiga-12 UNLEASH THE FURY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xKhn9Gb01I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avx3xDhkOg |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 11:41:45 AM EDT
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looks neat, too bad its a .410
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Posted: 3/27/2009 12:57:08 PM EDT
[#24]
.410 is fine. The asking price not so. This is Turkish made or no?
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Posted: 3/27/2009 1:55:59 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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I'm holding out for the 12 gauge upper. I don't think that would work with a std. lower, would it?
Besides, that's why I have these... http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/HardShell/RWB%20-%20Shotguns/S12x2wdrum12rd-right20.jpg
Those are cool but the bottom one needs to be converted to a pistol grip set up, they look so weird without it IMO. Saigas are awesome though. |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 2:05:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: Those are cool but the bottom one needs to be converted to a pistol grip set up, they look so weird without it IMO. Saigas are awesome though. It has a PG, it's just behind the receiver (part of the folding stock assy) instead of underneath it (like the Tromix and most other conversions). I wanted it that way, just to be different –– it still handles very well. |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 2:32:09 PM EDT
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They would probably do a lot better business selling uppers & magazines if they are compatible with standard AR lowers.
Can't find a website for the importer to see what they have available. I would give one a try in 3-gun if I could get an upper & mags at a reasonable cost. |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 2:38:05 PM EDT
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the ones i've seen here well to be honest, were pretty shit, quality of the parts, machining and fact they wouldn't work with anything but slug,
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Posted: 3/27/2009 2:38:46 PM EDT
[#29]
BTW, in case anyone's curious, here's what the box it came in looks like...
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Posted: 3/28/2009 9:13:02 PM EDT
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Looks like fun!!! I'm guessing it's cylinder? Would love to know how well it cycles. I have 15 cases of .410, sounds like a great way to burn through a few!!
By the way, if you are ever in need of any .410 hulls for reloading, I have several thousand AA's that I will never be able to use. Pay me for shipping and I'll send some your way. |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 10:35:23 PM EDT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFSCrcqebVg
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Posted: 3/29/2009 3:57:29 AM EDT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFSCrcqebVg WTF is that? The new Rick Roll? |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 5:14:02 AM EDT
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they only function with 2.5 inch shells correct? I suppose it dont matter I just done a quick search on midway and there are several loads avalible.
enjoy and have fun. |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 5:26:08 AM EDT
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BTW that is a 3 position selector switch
Local shop has one. |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 5:49:10 AM EDT
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The Russian all-steel cased .410 would be cool for that. Think about it - 1/2 ounce at 1200 fps (that's 220 grains), and that's the 2.5" shell. At personal/home defense range, that is a very lethal round.
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Posted: 3/31/2009 2:36:45 PM EDT
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Been really swamped at work so far this week and haven't had a chance to do a proper update, but I will get around to it. I took pictures and everything.
Short version –– it doesn't seem to like ribbed shells at all but seems to feed the smooth ones just fine, it's fun to shoot, and I even busted some clays with it that my friend threw for me. More (w/ pics) when I get a chance... |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 10:57:24 PM EDT
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No problem. I'm a patient guy.
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Posted: 4/1/2009 2:28:23 AM EDT
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There is an AR variants section here
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Posted: 4/6/2009 7:29:58 AM EDT
[#39]
NVM...
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Posted: 4/6/2009 2:17:59 PM EDT
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Okay, here is my much-delayed range report from weekend before last (I was out of town all last week & at the beach all weekend
 ).Two Sunday afternoons ago I took the T-14 to the range along with a few other things to shoot/test...  After inspecting it and lubing it well, I started with Remington #6 shot...  Here it is in the mag –– as you can see, this is a ribbed shell...  Here is the pattern at about 10 yards, into a plastic campaign sign...  The second round of this load failed to feed, as seen below...  I cleared the FTF and continued to fire several more rounds of this load, but it continued to FTF every 2 or 3 rounds. Here are two patterns at about 10 feet, above the 10-yard pattern from above...  Next I tried a similar load, a Remington #8 load...  Also a ribbed shell, also no trouble loading into the magazine...  Like the other Remington load, it FTF'd every 2 or 3 rounds...  Here are three 10-foot patterns above a 10-yard pattern...  Now a bit frustrated, I switched to Winchester, starting with a #8 load...  These shells were smooth, not ribbed...  ... and fed very well. There was only one FTF with this load, and my friend was shooting when that one happened so I can't personally attest to it. By this time, and with it finally running better, I got tired of patterns and pictures (my apologies –– I'll try to write up a better AAR later on ).Finally, I tried another Winchester load, this time a #6...  This one ran 100% for both of us through two boxes. By the end, my buddy was throwing up clays and I was busting them with it consistently. Those were the only loads I had on hand, but I hope to try many more through this thing and see how it does. In general, it looks like it prefers smooth to ribbed shells (sorta makes sense, I guess), but it might feed them all better once it's broken in some more. I haven't shot it enough to make any grand pronouncements/broad generalizations yet at this point... ... other than the thing is fun when it's running right. |
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Posted: 4/6/2009 3:10:34 PM EDT
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NVM..sorry to bother.
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Posted: 4/7/2009 6:19:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: ... Is that a standard AR lower? Have you tried to swap the upper onto another AR yet? It almost looke like the pistol grip and buttstock are one piece.........c'mon, man, we need details! Okay, finally remembered to try that last night and IMHO the answer is no.  (Not without some modifications, at least.) The T-14 upper fit onto a std. lower (3, in fact) fine, a little loose even –– but the T-14 magazine wouldn't fit into the magwells. It appears to be just a tiny bit longer front-to-back at the top vs. a std. AR mag, and the magwell on the T-14's lower appears to be relieved to accept that –– not much, but enough to make them appear incompatible. Accordingly, I tried a couple of std. AR uppers on the T-14 lower. They were very tight going on but eventually fit. Std. AR mags were a little loose (again, front-to-back) in the magwell but did lock into place –– I wouldn't be confident about the feeding reliability. I am a bit disappointed as I'd hoped for complete interchangeability –– but I knew going in that might not be the case. This also seems to shoot the whole idea of them selling just uppers/mags to the AR community in the foot, unless they make some changes to the mags (or unless the end user has to modify his lower, something I doubt would appeal to many). |
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Posted: 4/7/2009 6:34:48 AM EDT
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Next time you take it to the range test some slugs through it and post some pictures of groups.
mcb |
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Posted: 4/7/2009 6:39:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: Next time you take it to the range test some slugs through it and post some pictures of groups. mcb As soon as I can find some 2.5" slugs locally I'll do that. (I don't shoot a lot of .410 and really don't want to order cases of anything until I know what loads it likes/dislikes.) |
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Posted: 4/7/2009 7:10:33 AM EDT
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Time to go wabbit hunting Fixed. OP - how does the fit, finish, and workmanship look? |
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Posted: 4/7/2009 7:20:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Time to go wabbit hunting Fixed. OP - how does the fit, finish, and workmanship look? Nice fit and finish for an AR, no complaints there. I do want to pull off that PG/stock assembly (they are attached) and see if conventional AR grips and/or stocks can be used on it. Same with the rifle-length HGs. I believe I read somewhere that it will accept std. AR furniture, but I want to check it out for myself when I have time. |
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Posted: 4/7/2009 7:54:47 AM EDT
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So I guess the question is, are you glad you bought it and would you recommend it?
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Posted: 4/7/2009 8:12:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: So I guess the question is, are you glad you bought it and would you recommend it? I don't regret buying it, even as a novelty more than anything (not the first time I did that, either ).If the price drops drastically (say $300), I might change my mind. Too soon to say whether or not I'd recommend it –– let me shoot it some more first. |
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Posted: 4/7/2009 2:54:00 PM EDT
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Accordingly, I tried a couple of std. AR uppers on the T-14 lower. They were very tight going on but eventually fit. Std. AR mags were a little loose (again, front-to-back) in the magwell but did lock into place –– I wouldn't be confident about the feeding reliability. I am a bit disappointed as I'd hoped for complete interchangeability –– but I knew going in that might not be the case. This also seems to shoot the whole idea of them selling just uppers/mags to the AR community in the foot, unless they make some changes to the mags (or unless the end user has to modify his lower, something I doubt would appeal to many). Thanks for heads up. I emailed the importer some months back and he said a conversion for standard lowers is planned but not until some time in the summer. No idea if they will manage to succeed with their plans. |
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Posted: 4/7/2009 3:50:44 PM EDT
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Unlike you I had no issues with the remington nitro and still don't. I am almost 2000 rounds and only a couple of problems once I stopped using federal shotshell cartridges. All slugs seem to work just fine.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/6x6pinz/firearms/100_2463.jpg Getting used to the AR sight system for a shotgun but working out well. |
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