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Yes...unfortunately more common than it should be.
It sucks, I don't like it when they don't line up...but it generally won't cause function problems. |
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If it bugs you now it always will, send it back and get another. They are not cheap and should not fit cheap.
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A perfectionist should NEVER purchase an AR.
At the end of the day... its a Military grade rifle that someone tied to build like it was a $12.000 Merkel Shotgun.... and at the end of the day... its an AR. And the irony of your first post... was not how awesome the rifle shot or performed... but how bad a .0002" Gap looked!! My advice Sell it. You'll be happier in the long run. |
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Fwiw, a friend of mine picked up a Noreen billet set for $89 at aim -- no light can penetrate between the upper and lower and fitment is great, ie flush/takedown pins just right tight. Also, my aero fde set (purchased as a set) has these same qualities but the takedown pin is quite tight. In summary, I would be not happy myself if Wilson sold a set with any quality less than that.
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I took another picture of the gap in the rear. Ill send these to Wilson Combat and see what they say about it. Thank you for all your input.
http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o529/leeroyMFwilly/IMG_3087_zpsxod0svcz.jpg |
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I don't want to burst your bubble, but Wilson Combat doesn't cut their own forged receivers. I'm pretty certain I know who is manufacturing them for WC. As far as their billet receivers, they probably are keeping those in house.
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I hate how many companies outsource $50 forged receivers, put their stamp on them ,then charge you $300. One reason i go with billet sets. At least you pay for more machining... That fit and finish is terrible. I hope you get a new set or your money back.. you could've got a nice billet set for the same price, but you're probably partial to the WC brand.
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I emailed Wilson Combat about their forgings. Waiting to hear back. When I do hear back I will send them the pictures and see about a replacement upper. I know its being picky, but these things aren't cheap. What do you guys think about the Vltor MUR upper? Would it be worth looking into and maybe sending to Wilson the have it coated to match the burnt bronze lower?
P.S I will keep you guys posted on how this turns out. Thanks for the support! |
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I emailed Wilson Combat about their forgings. Waiting to hear back. When I do hear back I will send them the pictures and see about a replacement upper. I know its being picky, but these things aren't cheap. What do you guys think about the Vltor MUR upper? Would it be worth looking into and maybe sending to Wilson the have it coated to match the burnt bronze lower? P.S I will keep you guys posted on how this turns out. Thanks for the support! View Quote |
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I emailed Wilson Combat about their forgings. Waiting to hear back. When I do hear back I will send them the pictures and see about a replacement upper. I know its being picky, but these things aren't cheap. What do you guys think about the Vltor MUR upper? Would it be worth looking into and maybe sending to Wilson the have it coated to match the burnt bronze lower? P.S I will keep you guys posted on how this turns out. Thanks for the support! View Quote Their fees for armor tuff aren't exactly cheap. You're probably better off buying their upper already finished. I had them finish one of their barrels before they shipped it to me. It looks really good and seems very durable, but it wasn't cheap. |
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Just got an email back from Wilson regarding the forgings. They state that their forgings are machined from the raw forgings to exacting tolerances. Though they did not use the term "in house" They did however state that their billet set is machined in house. I then sent the pictures in a reply and asked if a replacement upper could be a possible route. Only problem is I accidentally put a small but noticeable scratch on the upper with my pocket knife while removing the zip tie they used to keep the receivers together. I should have used some cutters but was eager to check it out. Hopefully that wont hurt my situation much.
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I hate how many companies outsource $50 forged receivers, put their stamp on them ,then charge you $300. One reason i go with billet sets. At least you pay for more machining... That fit and finish is terrible. I hope you get a new set or your money back.. you could've got a nice billet set for the same price, but you're probable partial to the WC brand. View Quote |
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I agree, it is normal and shouldnt cause any issues.
But...when you pay wilson combat prices you should expect and demand more. If it was an Aero upper and lower, sure live with it...but WC? make them fix it. The premium you pay is so you dont get product like that. I am sure they will make it right. |
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Thanks for the replies everyone! After emailing them back and forth, they would like for me to send the set in to have them look at it. I'm sure they will make it right. In all honesty its not just a terrible fit, but that's why I paid more for the Wilson set. To have the best fit from a forged set possible. They assured me that they would like to help so I may get send it off next week sometime.
Barrel should be at my door sometime today! I'll either share pictures on this thread or start a new show and tell thread Again, Thank you to everyone who replied. You guys really cleared my head as to what course of action I should take. |
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Waiting on the mail man like... http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o529/leeroyMFwilly/IMG_3105_zpsgbkz9xkr.jpg
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So my Noveske barrel is in and looks great! Can't wait to see how it shoots!
How tight is the barrel suppose to be in the upper receiver? It just goes right in pretty easy and if you hold the receiver and turn it barrel down it will fall out. Is this to loose? The only thing that really gives it much hold is the indexing pin on the barrel fits somewhat snug in the slot on the receiver. If I slide it up to the indexing pin and hold the barrel while upside down, the receiver will fall. Seems to me I may have gotten a bad upper receiver. |
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So my Noveske barrel is in and looks great! Can't wait to see how it shoots! How tight is the barrel suppose to be in the upper receiver? It just goes right in pretty easy and if you hold the receiver and turn it barrel down it will fall out. Is this to loose? The only thing that really gives it much hold is the indexing pin on the barrel fits somewhat snug in the slot on the receiver. If I slide it up to the indexing pin and hold the barrel while upside down, the receiver will fall. Seems to me I may have gotten a bad upper receiver. View Quote |
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Well I'm sending the upper and lower receivers back to Wilson next week to see if they can get a better fitting upper for the lower. I will also see if they may can find an upper with a tighter barrel fit. That thing just falls in and out. I may go with the Seekins precision or Noveske billet receivers if all else fails, but I have faith in Wilson that they will get me fixed up.
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Well I'm sending the upper and lower receivers back to Wilson next week to see if they can get a better fitting upper for the lower. I will also see if they may can find an upper with a tighter barrel fit. That thing just falls in and out. I may go with the Seekins precision or Noveske billet receivers if all else fails, but I have faith in Wilson that they will get me fixed up. View Quote But if you do decided to change the receiver or for future builds, Seekins has nice uppers. CMT, V7 Weapons, American Defense all have good options. Just a few of many out there. |
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WC should clear it up. Them asking you to send it in, is guarantee that they will. But if you do decided to change the receiver or for future builds, Seekins has nice uppers. CMT, V7 Weapons, American Defense all have good options. Just a few of many out there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I'm sending the upper and lower receivers back to Wilson next week to see if they can get a better fitting upper for the lower. I will also see if they may can find an upper with a tighter barrel fit. That thing just falls in and out. I may go with the Seekins precision or Noveske billet receivers if all else fails, but I have faith in Wilson that they will get me fixed up. But if you do decided to change the receiver or for future builds, Seekins has nice uppers. CMT, V7 Weapons, American Defense all have good options. Just a few of many out there. |
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Thanks man! What's your opinion of the seekins vs noveske billet sets? View Quote If you do see the value of the extra feature, for a little more coin, look into ADM. Their lower is fully ambi. If u prefer sets you can get both upper/lower for $510. The blems are cheaper. |
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Aesthetically, I like Seekins set w/ the SBA15 lower. Also, the Seekins does offer an ambi bolt release. The Noveske Gen III set offers no features for the money you will pay. If you do see the value of the extra feature, for a little more coin, look into ADM. Their lower is fully ambi. If u prefer sets you can get both upper/lower for $510. The blems are cheaper. View Quote |
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What do you think about the Seekins SP223 lower? It looks cool but I wonder if fast mag swaps would be easier or harder due to the magazine well shape. View Quote |
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Oh. Show and tell time. Sorry I forgot to share a picture of my Noveske barrel. I was very impressed with Noveske. I placed the order over Memorial Day weekend and this barrel was in my mailbox yesterday around noon. http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o529/leeroyMFwilly/f758cbb0-9966-403a-8b7b-e2ec497df342_zpsnk77zo74.jpg
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Oh. Show and tell time. Sorry I forgot to share a picture of my Noveske barrel. I was very impressed with Noveske. I placed the order over Memorial Day weekend and this barrel was in my mailbox yesterday around noon. http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o529/leeroyMFwilly/f758cbb0-9966-403a-8b7b-e2ec497df342_zpsnk77zo74.jpg View Quote |
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OP, your take down pin holes don't look like they are lining up. See if the pin will drift in.
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A perfectionist should NEVER purchase an AR. At the end of the day... its a Military grade rifle that someone tied to build like it was a $12.000 Merkel Shotgun.... and at the end of the day... its an AR. And the irony of your first post... was not how awesome the rifle shot or performed... but how bad a .0002" Gap looked!! My advice Sell it. You'll be happier in the long run. View Quote |
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Just sent the receiver sets off to Wilson Combat. Hopefully they get me fixed up.
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I wonder how long the turn around will be. Tracking shows they received it on the 8th. I supplied my phone number and email, but haven't heard anything from them yet. Should I call them or wait it out?
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I wonder how long the turn around will be. Tracking shows they received it on the 8th. I supplied my phone number and email, but haven't heard anything from them yet. Should I call them or wait it out? View Quote |
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Thanks. Planning on calling them Monday if I don't hear from them by Friday. I have been crossing my fingers every day while headed to the mail box lol
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Great new guys! I just received a call from Wilson Combat. They told me they replaced the upper receiver and will be getting it on its way back to me. Hopefully everything looks good when it arrives. I will post some pictures when I get it. Very excited and please with Wilson Combat customer service so far.
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Sliding in and out is no big deal. When in, does it wobble? If not, that's all you can ask of a forged reciever. You know guys epoxy the barrels into uppers that are precision nuts right? Are you demanding .5 MOA or better accuracy? Would .9 MOA make you happy? If the latter, don't worry about it.
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A perfectionist should NEVER purchase an AR. At the end of the day... its a Military grade rifle that someone tied to build like it was a $12.000 Merkel Shotgun.... and at the end of the day... its an AR. And the irony of your first post... was not how awesome the rifle shot or performed... but how bad a .0002" Gap looked!! My advice Sell it. You'll be happier in the long run. View Quote |
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Sliding in and out is no big deal. When in, does it wobble? If not, that's all you can ask of a forged reciever. You know guys epoxy the barrels into uppers that are precision nuts right? Are you demanding .5 MOA or better accuracy? Would .9 MOA make you happy? If the latter, don't worry about it. View Quote |
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I would agree that for low end or middle of the road uppers and lowers that the ‘fit’ may be mediocre due to the tolerance stacking.
However I don’t think it’s a combat design necessarily applies when purchasing premium parts for premium prices. I would expect a premium seller to be keeping to tighter tolerances or at least hand matching uppers and lowers when selling them together. OP: If you want a tighter socket then supposedly BCM under sizes theirs. I have found this to be true for the ones I have bought. |
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OK so it looks like Wilson Combat sent this thing over night. I got it on my lunch break today. After opening the box I'm blown away with how much better this thing fits! It has a very tight fit between the upper and lower, all the lines match evenly, and the burnt bronze finish even seems to match better. I am stoked and very excited about how well it turned out. I'll get home tonight and post some pics and see how tight the barrel fits. Extremely happy with Wilson Combat on this.
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Guys, I am very pleased to announce that Wilson Combat has hooked me up! Just tried to slip the barrel in. It is VERY tight. They went above and beyond my requests and expectations. Better receiver match up, tighter receiver fit, and tighter barrel fit. They blew all three out of the water. In my opinion, this is one of the better forged sets I've ever seen in person. I am extremely excited to get this thing together. Now we wait for extra cash... Lol what should my next purchase be? Trigger? BCG? Lower parts kit? Handguard? I will be getting one thing a month so I guess I will start another thread on the process of the build. I can't tell you guys how please I am with how this receiver set turned out. Thank you all for your input!
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I don't know about what you should necessarily get next... But at some point, grab Wilson's drop in trigger unit. Cool to match, right? It is tied for my favorite trigger group, have put it through its paces and it has done exemplary. Mine was sold as the 4 pound unit, but measures around 3.5, so keep that in mind if you grab one. All in all, it is my favorite single stage trigger hands down, and is my favorite "all around use" trigger.
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I don't know about what you should necessarily get next... But at some point, grab Wilson's drop in trigger unit. Cool to match, right? It is tied for my favorite trigger group, have put it through its paces and it has done exemplary. Mine was sold as the 4 pound unit, but measures around 3.5, so keep that in mind if you grab one. All in all, it is my favorite single stage trigger hands down, and is my favorite "all around use" trigger. View Quote |
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A perfectionist should NEVER purchase an AR. At the end of the day... its a Military grade rifle that someone tied to build like it was a $12.000 Merkel Shotgun.... and at the end of the day... its an AR. And the irony of your first post... was not how awesome the rifle shot or performed... but how bad a .0002" Gap looked!! My advice Sell it. You'll be happier in the long run. View Quote |
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Thanks. I am leaning towards the Geissele Super Tricon but I will give the Wilson trigger a look. Thanks again View Quote Those Geissele triggers should be on sale, 4th of July weekend! |
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