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Posted: 2/8/2015 6:29:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/8/2015 8:18:47 PM EDT
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Good thread, MRW.  I will try to post some pics of what I have so far and hope to go to the range this weekend to shoot more 10 round groups.

Rifle: Colt LWT 6720 upper with a DD Omega rail on a Stag lower with SSA trigger.  Rifle had a Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40mm scope in a LaRue SPR-E



Groups

XM193, 10 shots, 100 yards





69gr BH blue box, 10 shots, 100 yards







And here is a 5-shot group for MOLON, because we all know he loves 5 shot groups, lol:

69 gr Black Hills blue box



I need to stabilize the rear of my carbine better.  I think this will help shrink the groups some.
Link Posted: 2/8/2015 8:41:30 PM EDT
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Great info on that LW BCM. I'm thinking for sure that it will be my next upper for one of my builds. Thanks!
Link Posted: 2/8/2015 8:57:38 PM EDT
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Great insight, thanks for posting this!  I have always subscribed to the notion that 14.5" is a very capable length rifle.
Link Posted: 2/8/2015 9:16:13 PM EDT
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Tagged as I just got a DD 14.5" LW.
Link Posted: 2/8/2015 9:27:54 PM EDT
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You are wise....congrats!
Link Posted: 2/8/2015 9:29:11 PM EDT
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Went to the range today to test my SR15 Mod1 after it reached 11,700 round mark. (probably 11500~12000rds)

Best Group was with CBC 5.56 77gr


I shot at 100yards range
Not the best shooting condition, no support for my right arm and elbow (Shooting Range website pic)


Testing Rifle/Setup (I used Primary Arms fixed 6x scope)


Disappearing lands in the barrel... This is what happens when 90% of my shooting were rapid fire and about 3000rds of 11700rds were steel case Bear or Wolf
Link Posted: 2/8/2015 10:05:44 PM EDT
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Tagged for my Noveske SS 14.5 LW.
Link Posted: 2/8/2015 10:36:08 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/8/2015 11:49:12 PM EDT
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How far did you shoot? That looks like a really short range.  
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Went to the range today to test my SR15 Mod1 after it reached 11700 round mark. (probably 11500~12000rds)

Best Group was with CBC 5.56 77gr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7285/16475234351_808723eb62_o.jpg

Not the best shooting condition (Shooting Range website pic)
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8624/16289545410_a4c89e9a25_o.jpg

Testing Rifle/Setup (I used Primary Arms fixed 6x scope)
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8663/16240804427_dca41b06ba_o.jpg

Disappearing lands in the barrel... This is what happens when 90% of my shooting were rapid fire and about 3000rds were steel case Bear or Wolf
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8642/16477743215_bb36894494_o.jpg
How far did you shoot? That looks like a really short range.  

The range I shot at is 100yards, I just found another pic showing their 100yards range.
I just edited my previous post... forgot to mention was 100yards haha
Link Posted: 2/9/2015 6:57:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/9/2015 7:11:55 PM EDT
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So between 1"-2" groups at 100 yards depending on the ammo, barrel, and shooter.





Great info..thanks
 
Link Posted: 2/9/2015 7:37:20 PM EDT
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I just got all of the parts in for a build using the following pencil barrel from Faxon.  I'll be building the rifle today with a freefloated tube.  I'll test it out this week and report back with my results.

• Barrel Material: 4150 CMV Steel
• Barrel Type: Button Rifled
• Barrel Caliber: 5.56
• Barrel Twist: 1:8
• Barrel Length: 16”
• Barrel Profile:  Pencil
• Barrel Gas System: Mid
• Inside Finish: QPQ Nitride
• Outside Finish: QPQ Nitride
• Muzzle Thread: 1/2-28 TPI (Threads Per Inch)
• Gas Block Diameter: .625"
• Gas Port Diameter: .078
• Barrel Extension: M4
• Weight:  1.19  lbs
Magnetic Particle Inspected

Link Posted: 2/9/2015 7:49:10 PM EDT
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So between 1"-2" groups at 100 yards depending on the ammo, barrel, and shooter.
Great info..thanks  
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Also the condition of the bore/rifling
Link Posted: 2/9/2015 8:04:09 PM EDT
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Pics now up in my post.
Link Posted: 2/9/2015 8:20:15 PM EDT
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Great thread.....
Link Posted: 2/9/2015 9:51:38 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/9/2015 10:24:51 PM EDT
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excellent!  thanks!

Is the omega rail a free float?  I'm going to take my 16" 1/9 bushmaster superlight out for a run this weekend and see how it compares to your Colt.

and not to bust your chops, but I only count nine shots in your first group.
 
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Pics now up in my post.

excellent!  thanks!

Is the omega rail a free float?  I'm going to take my 16" 1/9 bushmaster superlight out for a run this weekend and see how it compares to your Colt.

and not to bust your chops, but I only count nine shots in your first group.
 


Ooops, you're right.  My bad.  And, yes, the Omega Rail is an FF rail.  What's funny is that your non-FF rifle shot better than my FF rifle.  I know that I need to bag the rear of my rifle better in order to take me out of the equation more, as I know that I'm not the best "precision" shooter.

I have some CBC 77 gr and 62 gr Fusion and some more 75 grain Privi I wanna shoot this weekend.  I hope I'm able to make it out there, as I'm curious to see how the CBC and Fusion shoots outta my Colt. However, a big bummer for this next range session is that I do not have the 4.5-14x40mm Leupold scope.  It was my buddy's scope and he needed it back.  I only have a 1.5-5x Leupy at this time, but I'll see if I can use his again.

It's a lot more work when you're shooting 10 round groups. I don't know how MOLON did it, but it sure gets tiring after awhile.  So, kudos to Molon for all the work and effort he put into all of his posts!
Link Posted: 2/9/2015 10:29:48 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/9/2015 10:34:03 PM EDT
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Yeah, I agree with you about the stock being more difficult to get planted, but I'm gonna buy something better from the gun store, as I was using the shitty range bags.  I also need to buy something to better stabilize the front end as I was using sand bags on top of my shooting bag.   Lol.

As for the scope thing, yeah, it looks all retarded, but it does work.  
Link Posted: 2/13/2015 7:05:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/13/2015 7:29:33 PM EDT
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That Bushy sure shot that FGM very well.  And your rifle isn't even free floated.  Let's see what I get this Sunday!  

I also want to say that the ATC on the Bushy was pretty good, too.
Link Posted: 2/13/2015 9:32:37 PM EDT
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Topic Moved
Link Posted: 2/17/2015 12:24:51 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/17/2015 12:38:18 AM EDT
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I didn't get to shoot this past weekend, so now I'm shooting for this Sunday.  
Link Posted: 2/17/2015 12:38:33 AM EDT
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Double tap.
Link Posted: 2/17/2015 9:32:07 AM EDT
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That Bushy sure shot that FGM very well.  And your rifle isn't even free floated.  Let's see what I get this Sunday!  

I also want to say that the ATC on the Bushy was pretty good, too.
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Those old Bushy pencil barrels had good reps for accuracy
Link Posted: 2/17/2015 1:38:38 PM EDT
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Still need to work up some loads for my DD and see what she can do.
Link Posted: 2/17/2015 2:31:14 PM EDT
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Just got my new-to-me spotting scope and and shooting bags to stabilize my rifle in. I'm itching to hit the range this weekend.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 4:53:18 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/10/2015 7:08:27 PM EDT
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I will try to post the eight 10-shot groups that I obtained over this past weekend sometime tonight, after running the pics of the groups through the On-Target program I have.  I shot the following ammunition:  CBC 77 gr, Privi 75 gr, Fusion 62 gr and some more XM193.

Off the bat, I will tell you guys that my 16" Colt LWT upper did NOT like CBC 77 gr ammo for nothing.  However, it continued to shoot XM193 pretty good, as well as the Fusion load.  Prive fell between CBC and XM193/Fusion loads.

Link Posted: 3/10/2015 7:35:06 PM EDT
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TAG I have a 20" pencil barrel from criterion waiting to mate with a adams arms kit.
Link Posted: 3/11/2015 1:32:22 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2015 6:12:14 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2015 6:18:43 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2015 11:44:43 AM EDT
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Those non-free float rails will induce a significant amount of deflection when shooting groups.  This should be considered when evaluating accuracy of a barrel as opposed to said accuracy of a system.
Link Posted: 3/11/2015 12:03:04 PM EDT
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Strong work gentlemen!  



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Link Posted: 3/11/2015 12:54:55 PM EDT
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Thanks, Molon! I do gotta say that MRW is a better shot than me, as his non-FF groups are better than my FF groups!!  I tried to find an adjustable rest for the front of the rifle, but was not able to find one locally. I'm not too happy with the results, but I did the best I could with what I had.  Although, I do like how XM193 and Fusion group with my Colt upper.
Link Posted: 3/11/2015 2:40:17 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/11/2015 2:51:46 PM EDT
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I'm gonna be placing an order for an el-cheapo Caldwell Rock Jr. rifle front shooting rest, that way I only have to worry about stabilizing the rear.

I'm gonna be taking out my 16" Noveske N4 light upper next when I get the rest.  I wanna see how that upper does with the CBC stuff and Privi.  I also have a nitrided Rock Creek barrelled upper that I'm itching to see how it does with CBC ammo, as well.

All in all, after thinking about it further, I'm cool with how the Colt shot with XM193 and Fusion, as I have a lot of XM193 and a decent stash of Fusion.  In addition, I wasn't expecting the Colt upper to shoot like an SPR/DMR/SAM rifle, so the results, for a GP rifle, are more than acceptable.  If it was a Krieger or Lilja barrelled upper, then I'd be a bit disappointed.

ETA:  Just ordered the rifle rest from Amazon and should be in my grubby hands by the 17th of this month.  Now I know what I'll be doing on the 21st:  Shooting for more groups!
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 4:29:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/6/2015 2:13:17 AM EDT
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Im interested, as well.

ETA: Haven't had a chance to go back out again. My bad!
Link Posted: 5/6/2015 4:20:08 AM EDT
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On the CBC 77grn ammo, which powder was it? the PB or WC 748?
Also what year on the brass, 2013?

I have had excellent results with the PB marked powder charge. I just got some with the WC powder and will test it out next week.

Barrel is VooDoo Arms 14.5" ultra light with over 3,500 rnds through it.
Link Posted: 5/6/2015 4:48:58 AM EDT
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Good show on the Fusion.  I've got a bunch of those to load up and hope they shoot that well
 
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Good show on the Fusion.  I've got a bunch of those to load up and hope they shoot that well
 


Indeed, this thread has become very relevant to my interests. I've got a bunch of those 62gr Fusions and two Bushmaster LW barrels, a 1/7 and a 1/9.
Link Posted: 5/6/2015 6:49:16 PM EDT
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Yep, my LWT Colt upper likes XM193 and 62 gr. Fusion, which I am VERY happy with, to say the least.
Link Posted: 5/13/2015 9:18:30 PM EDT
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On the CBC 77grn ammo, which powder was it? the PB or WC 748?
Also what year on the brass, 2013?

I have had excellent results with the PB marked powder charge. I just got some with the WC powder and will test it out next week.

Barrel is VooDoo Arms 14.5" ultra light with over 3,500 rnds through it.
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Ok, so the CBC 77 grn. with Winchester powder proved to be really accurate out of this barrel too. I also tried Privi 69 grn. match and it shot 3/4" group at 75 meters. Couldn't go further as we were losing daylight.

The CBC 77 grn. was consistent, printing respectable 5 shot groups at 75 meters of 1". 10-15 shot groups opened to 1.5-2.0". Not ammo problem, it was me getting too fast on the trigger. I think if I used a scope the groups would shrink and be consistent. Daniel Defense fixed sights at 50 meters and Primary Arms micro red dot at 75 meters.

More testing in June. With a scope and hopefully at 200-300 meters.

All in all, really happy with the CBC ammo.
Link Posted: 6/25/2015 1:05:45 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/25/2015 1:22:07 PM EDT
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we could use some data from BCM ELW BFH barrels here too.....anxious to see the 14.5 BCM ELW BFH vs Noveske "Skinny" and the 16" BFH
so I need to get off my duff and shoot the Noveske & BCM I have sittin' here
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 1:57:03 AM EDT
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Shot the M16A1 barreled upper again yesterday

http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/onehalfmvsquared/hobby/IMG_1472_zps11ifszyv.jpg





Testing this 50 grain tipped ammo with the Green Mountain 1/6 twist barrel.  I used a 10x optic, not the carry handle iron sights




<a href="http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/onehalfmvsquared/hobby/GM%201-6%20Twist%20Barrel%20test/IMG_1487_zpsuppkcmn5.jpg" target="_blank">http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/onehalfmvsquared/hobby/GM%201-6%20Twist%20Barrel%20test/IMG_1487_zpsuppkcmn5.jpg</a>







Lightweight M16A1 barrel results on top


<a href="http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/onehalfmvsquared/hobby/GM%201-6%20Twist%20Barrel%20test/62024201520A1A420and20GM201820Fed205020varmint_zps7z2tfg32.jpg" target="_blank">http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/onehalfmvsquared/hobby/GM%201-6%20Twist%20Barrel%20test/62024201520A1A420and20GM201820Fed205020varmint_zps7z2tfg32.jpg</a>




 
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Looking good, MRW.
Link Posted: 7/22/2015 11:42:21 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/23/2015 3:15:12 AM EDT
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Those are pretty good groups considering the rifle isn't even sporting an FF rail. You're a pretty good shot, MRW.

I just completed a 604 clone and hope to shoot for groups soon, but I won't be using an optic, as I don't have anyway to mount the scope I have. I also want to go back out with my LWT Colt, as I now have a proper front shooting rest.

ETA: As for that one 77gr round that went way left, you must have pulled that shot, because thats just weird how only one shot that way. I'd shoot another 10 rds to see if it did that again.
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