Branching off from the normal Recce Rifle Thread for just legit clones. These have the most varying setups of all the clones, I believe. There is no hard data listed for every piece of equipment on these rifles. Only ITW photo's and some small lists of procurement from NSW. I have outlined the parts used most commonly but there are plenty of versions that are not covered in this list. The ITW one off photos of an already one off setup can be cloned using the parts visible in the photo!

There are 5 major types of these clones. All are built on Colt receivers except the 416 variant. Details are below

NSWDG RECCE RIFLE:

Optic: 2.5-10x24 Nightforce
Rings: Nightforce A110
Piggybacked Optics: Jpoint, T1, or Insight MRDS. All using the respective mounts for each either using Wilcox NF ring cap. NF/Wilcox RULR cap, or 30mm tube mounts.
Handguard: KAC FF RAS Rifle Length
Barrel: Mystery Manufacturer. is 15.1" in length and uses the Ops Inc brake and collar
Suppressor: Ops 12th Model(AEM5 kosher too)
Bipod's: Atlas BT10 or Harris 6-9
Pistol Grips: A2, Ergo Deluxe, or DPMS
VFG: TD VFG or Magpul AFG2
Stocks: SOPMOD or CTR

NSWDG 416 Recce:

Optic: Nightforce 2.5-10x24 or Nightforce 1-4x24
Piggybacked Optic: Jpoint and Insight mounted in Wilcox Ring Cap or Insight 30mm Mount/Cap.
Rings: Nightforce A110, or Unimount. Larue LT101 Riser
Handguard: Factory HK
Barrel: 13"? Chopped HK barrel with Ops Collar and Brake, 14.5", or 10.4" HK
Muzzle Device: AAC 18T, BE Myers 249F, or Ops Brake
Suppressor: Ops 12th Model or AAC 416SD
Pistol Grips: TD or HK
VFG: TD, Grip Pod, or KAC
Stocks: SOPMOD, CTR, Vltor, or Factory HK

OG NSWDG Recce:

Optic: 2.5-10x24/32 Nightforce or Leupold Vari-x/MK4 series
Rings: Nightforce A110's, A203's, Leupold MK4, or KAC 1.4/5"
Piggybacked Optics: Jpoint in Wilcox NF mount. NF RULR Mount for RULR
Handguard: KAC FF RAS Rifle Length and Medium Length
Barrel: Lilja 17" SS
Muzzle Device: KAC M4QD or BE Myers 249F
Suppressor: KAC M4 QDSS CORNCOB
Bipod's: Harris 6-9 or Grip Pod
Pistol Grips: A2
Stocks: SOPMOD or CTR

Delta Recce:

Optic: S&B Short Dot
Rings: Larue LT101 Riser, Larue Rings
Handguard: KAC MRE
Barrel: 14.5 M4A1 Colt
Muzzle Device: KAC M4QD
Suppressor: KAC M4 QDSS CORNCOB
Pistol Grips: A2
VFG: Gangsta Grip
Stocks: SOPMOD or Car

AFSOC 416 Recce :

Optic: S&B Short Dot, NF 2.5-10x32, or Leupold 1-6 MK6
Rings: Larue LT104, NF Unimount, or Leupold MK6
Handguard: Geissele SMR or Remington RAHG
Barrel: 14.5 HK
Muzzle Device: Surefire 212
Suppressor: Surefire 212 with SOCOM locking collar
Pistol Grips: HK
VFG: Stubby
Stocks: CTR
Bipod: Atlas

ISSUED GUNS:


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CLONES:

I'm pretty sure there is an aero on mine. Lol. Heresy, I know.

PRI’s low pro blocks are also pretty small and fit under almost anything.

ETA - And it is bc you could’ve had a surplus block lol.

My clone is now banished from my own thread.

Don’t be a drama queen….

I might as well sell it then!

FWIW, my go-to the past several years has been the CMMG block: small, clean, and unbranded.

I always forget about those, but that would definitely do the job!

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Not enough room?

No one said that. They said that it'll be extremely tight. Which by the looks of your photo the bottom left of your block is almost hitting the rail.

I bet if you flexed the barrel down, It'll contact.

Yeah I just mocked it up quick. It’s close. That’s a standard mk12 gas block. Was really hard to get a picture

T1 back on. Put a newer precision shooter on the recce last weekend with my calls he was first round impact from 100m to 650m on smaller steel.

Bootleg carrier is a must now. It's not clone but fuck it. It cuts down on like 95% of the gas to face with the can.

Could anyone give me the measurement for the height of an NXS top turret? I’m trying to get some benchmark data for comparisons for how a piggybacked T2 will work with other scopes, since it looks to be about half covered up by the Nightforce turret. Also, any input on how well the piggybacked T2 works overall would be appreciated, thanks!

Compact NXS turret is 13/16 tall.

7/16 of the Micro lense is exposed above the turret on a Wilcox mount.

It works…put dot over target and pull trigger.

This is true. Now paint your rifle!

Haha

Where are you in NC? Just noticed.

45 minutes north of Charlotte.  You?

Wilmington. Long range spot is an hour west. Was gonna say we should have a recce range session... I'd bring some rusto along too...

We’ll do it .   Leave the rustoleum…..

Finally broke down and put a CTR on it. I guess all I need now is the LA5 and the correct sling.



Wonder what it is.

I have decided to do a clone of this carbine since I have the MRE rail and the PEQ-2.

Is there a back-up iron sight on this? I can't tell when I enlarge the photo.

The light appears to be a Surefire 660. Does anyone know definitively?

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Lastly, are there any good links for more information on the operator? I always like to learn about the person.

Thank you in advance.

I can’t tell if there’s a BUIS.  If there is I’d guess it was a KAC 300m sight.  

Every other clearer Delta MRE pic I’ve seen shows a 660 with the distinct shock isolating bezel.  This rifle appears to have a 660 as well.

There’s a another pic of that guy:



Might be him as well from a different deployment with slightly different rifle setup?

Anyone have a lead on 1” KAC rings for a Renner clone? Is there anything on the market that looks similar?

Don't forget to paint it multicam

and it's an VSLIM. good luck with that

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Unless there are two like this it's an LA5.

The other angles make the can look like it's part of the lam so I could see why it looks like that device.

In a few of those MOH pics, it looks like it’s got the VSLIM mounted at 3:00 along with the LA5 at 12:00.

Always looked like a contour cam to me for the POV footage.

Especially because it's off the rifle in some shots and the footage is from his helmet.

I thought it was some sort of camera as well.   So I’m not sure…..

It's the contour lol my b

Got it into its final form.  Was able to get a RAS from the new production batch that came out recently, which allowed me to stop stealing parts off my mod 1 and make this into a permanent build.

Hoping to get some range time with it later this week. It feels really good so far.  Have some IMI razor core and some AAC 77gr OTM I’m gonna feed it.

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Looks great!

Getting closer to the exact rifle now. Got an LBT AOR1 sling on the way. Debating the contour. Even though in some photos it's not on the rifle.

A small percentage of me wants to clone the multicam rattle can but I really don't like it. I like my dusty paint jobs.

Looking to do an OG Recee and want to see if some parts can play together. I have Medium RAS, Leupold Vari-x 3-9, Colt AF upper, and contract 249F.

I just read through the whole thread so I guess my two questions are:

Is the Lilja the only known stainless 16ish barrel used? I have been told a number of match M4 barrels made their way onto these rifles, to eventually include Lilja. I don't know specifics for what other manufacturers were involved. If not explicitly correct, would the Douglas or Bison recon profile 16" barrels seem spiritually correct?

Second more general question, as I don't want to be another Buzz Lightyear on the wall doing a Renner clone, does the combination of a true 16" match bbl, medium ras, vari-x and 249f seem plausible? Without bringing out my calipers...the group pic with two tall turret leupolds in it seems like one of the FHs is longer than a NT4.

@Eyekahn your floor plate is trying to come off.

Good catch bro! I replaced the spring and follower a few weeks ago, I guess I didn't get the floor plate seated right.

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I have a brand new CLE 15.1 Douglas Recce 1/7 wylde barrel, just looking to get what I paid for it. IM or email if interested.

Mods if this is against the rules, I can remove.

Was going to make a whole post about it so here it goes. Bear with me as it's going to be allot of speculation and it's going to be very rambling.

So back on page 56 this rifle was posted saying it's the new standard among NSWDG with clearly undertone of insider knowledge. Not much was thought of it but allot of it has come to light (i.e. the dead air cans)

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Of course he dipped and never posted again after only making 4 posts on arfcom lol. This was around 2019 time frame which is the same as the above photo (and below):

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Additionally, this rifle has been sitting in the back ground of a well circulated photo of the Noveske navy.


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As you can see these rifles are pretty similar in features and it's my belief these two rifles were the next evolution of the "recce". The most interesting aspect of the shorty is the barrel profile.

the thing that puzzles me is the odd muzzle device. Is it even a muzzle device or is it a taped bare muzzle?

I'm going to go with maybe a trial gun/upper(s) scenario for the midwest stuff we've been seeing around the 2019-2020 timeframe. I think GBRS mentioned in a video that they had trialed .300 blackout wilson combat stuff, though no pics have ever made it out. And we know they trialed AAC uppers and full guns in the late 2010's. So I'm guessing they trialed a lot of shit while they were waiting for something to tick all the boxes needed to replace the 416. That being said, I definitely think that trial guns still get used even after a new gun is selected. "If it ain't broke" mentality. All conjecture of course.

Yea I remember that rifle.

MI rail? No thanks that thing makes the Noveske gun look good.

Got a little range session in after work.



The last few pieces of this build came in today, along and tape switch. Gonna pass on the contour cam.

Multicam paint job still being debated.

the aac urx3 300bo uppers are also seen with the midwest rails, they also used/use wilson combat suppressors

That’s interesting…..always appreciate your info sharing.

Nice!

I had no idea a CTR was correct.

Unit RECCE's w/KAC MRE rail.

Is there any difference between The Unit RECCE Team Sniper guys MRE rail equipped guns verses regular Assaulters who choose to use a Colt M4/S&B Short Dot 1-4x optics/KAC MRE rail as well? We can see almost entire Assault teams using MRE rails. Some with Short Dots, others with EoTech's, even a few photos with Leupolds. We also know the original idea for the KAC MRE rail "More Real Estate" was for more room for accessories with enough room to grip the weapon farther out for recoil control. Not necessarily for RECCE Team Snipers. I have seen photos pre-MRE rail of verified RECCE Unit Snipers using the old carbon fiber KAC/Armalite rails.

Did RECCE Snipers get better barrels? Anything we know of?

This was long before Geissele so safe bet says they used mostly KAC Match 2-Stage triggers even in Assaulter guns.

i might be misremembering because this was a long time ago, like ten years or so, but i think one of the KAC people here once mentioned that back in the day KAC advised that the unit spend their time and money on finding good match ammo to run from factory barrels, rather than messing with match barrels like dev was doing.

That's how I remember it being said once. A pre 2014 colt 1/7 twist barrel can be an extremely accurate barrel.