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Posted: 2/19/2014 11:11:27 PM EDT
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This is intended to help people who want to build lightweight rifles and/or want to lighten up an existing rifle. This is not necessarily intended to be a comprehensive list, as it only includes parts that are lightweight or nearly so. RAW DATA SPREADSHEET HERE, v1.03 An updated Parts Database made by another user is here: Check this Google Doc It may be more complete / more updated. My recommended cheap / light build if you only want to get under 5 lbs for ~ $1k. Forged lower $80 Standard LPK minus grip $55 CAR Fiberlite stock $60 Hogue 15-degree grip $20 - Forged upper (no Forward Assist) $80 Faxon 16" (or 14.5") pencil barrel $180 Samson Low profile (.625") Gas Block $60 DSA Low-Mass BCG $130 OR Odinworks Lightweight BCG $180 Fostec Mach-2 LITE 10" Rail $184 Standard upper parts (minus FA) View Quote For a little more money (about $150 more) you can save a few more ounces Adjustable Gas Block $80 (this is critical) Odinworks Adjustable Buffer $50 DSA Enhanced Aluminum BCG $160 Tubb Precision Flatwire Spring $30 View Quote Key: U = User Data M = Manufacturer C = Calculated Weights listed are in ounces. Parts in purple are amongst the lightest options ****Upper Parts**** Muzzle Devices A2 Flash Hider 2.15 U A2 Extended Mag Tactical 1.90 M BE Meyers 2.50 M AAC Brakeout 51t 4.20 M AAC Blackout 51t 4.30 M VDI Manimal 1.48 M Rainier Mini-Comp 1.44 U ALG Single Chamber Brake 2.01 U V7 Titanium 1.35 M V7 Ti V-grooved 1.25 M Venom Defense hybrid steel muzzle brake 1.48 U Charging Handles PSA Milspec 1.13 U Breek Arms Warhammer 1.0 U Spikes Milspec 1.07 U Rainier Raptor 1.42 U BCM Gunfighter Med 1.24 U BCM Gunfighter Small V7 Ultra-light charging handle 1.04 M Bolt Carrier Groups LMT Semi-Auto 11.14 U Umbrella Corp Full-Auto 11.46 U RRA Semi-Auto 11.26 U Spikes NIB FA 11.8 U Colt F/A BCG 11.56 U BCM F/A BCG 11.64 U PSA F/A BCG 11.50 U Red X Arms Ti 7.81 M JP LMOS Bolt Carrier 6.25 M JP Bolt Carrier (full mass) 8.5 M Young Man. SLC carrier 7.1 U FN Bolt Only 1.5 U Smith Aluminum carrier w/ key 3.7 U PM&T Ti carrier w/ key 5.1 U V7 Systems Ti Carrier 5.7 M V7 Systems Ti BCG 7.9 M DSA Low-Mass Steel BCG 9.1 M DSA Aluminum BCG 5.2 M OdinWorks Low Mass BCG (steel) 9.0 MU WDR Titanium BCG 7.8 M FosTecH LOW MASS BCG (Nickel Boron) 8.5 M Gas Blocks Aero precision 0.625 adjustable BCM 0.75" 1.30 U BCM 0.625" 1.928 U Daniel Def LPGB 0.750 1.28 M Daniel Def LPGB 0.625 1.92 M V7 Systems Ti LPGB 0.750 0.74 M V7 Systems Ti LPGB 0.625 0.71 M 2A Armament Ti 0.750 0.70 M VLTOR 0.625" (set screw) 1.4 M Parallax Tactical LPGB 1.47 U SA 0.75" adjustable 1.8 U Samson MFG lite 0.625" 0.6 U YHM LP w/ set screws 1.43 U Gas Tubes Del-ton Carbine 0.63 U Carbine Length 0.7 C BCM Midlength 0.757 U V7 Midlength 0.94 U Mid Length 0.8 U Rifle Length 0.9 U Dust Covers Dust Cover Assembly 0.75 U Dust Cover Ass., V7 0.37 M Mako Poly Dust Cover: 0.2 (discontinued?) UBCM Dust Cover 0.506 U BCM Dust Cover Pin 0.211 U BCM Dust Cover Spring 0.021 U Strike Industries Ultimate Polymer 0.3 M Strike Industries Ultimate overmolded Polymer 0.5 M Strike Industries Polyflex 0.3 M Magpul Polymer ? Forward Assists BCM Forward Assist 0.712 U BCM FA Spring 0.058 U WOA Forward Assist Assy 0.74 U Northtech Ti Forward Assist 0.501 U Northtech Ti FA Spring 0.050 U Schuster Mfg FA plug 0.10 U Upper Receivers 2A Armament Balios Lite stripped, no FA 5.8 M Aero Precision Forged Stripped 7.16 U Aero Precision Forged Stripped; no FA 6.4 U Fostec FLITE Elite Stripped 5.92 M Kaiser X-7 Poly Upper: 5.5 M Mega Arms forged stripped 6.9 M Mega Arms Billet Upper, 9.4 M Rainier Forged, Complete 8.6 M Rainier Arms Forged Stripped 7.08 U Spikes Forged complete: 8.4 U V7 Weapon Systems Forged Complete 7.7 M V7 Weapon Systems Forged stripped 6.8 M V7 Weapon Systems Enlightened 6.0 M V7 Weapon Systems Enlightened (lithium/aluminum) 5.8 M Forged no FA, complete 7.3 C |
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You bought the tool? It was included with my set that I got from Robar's closing sale, didn't get a ejection port cover though.
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Originally Posted By WriterClarke:
You bought the tool? It was included with my set that I got from Robar's closing sale, didn't get a ejection port cover though. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By pscot468: Yeah I had to buy it. This was years ago, lol I also didn't get the ejection port cover. The aluminum reaction rod broke, lol. In case you didn't figure that out yet 🤣😂 There are good German knockoff reaction rods in small and large frame, they're not expensive and they're made of steel. The Bev block is my favorite assembly tool though, it's idiot proof. I really like the Kaiser set though, not the lightest but the "match grade upper and lower fit" really is very good, lol. And it has high strength anti rotation aluminum inserts molded in at all the right places, including the gas tube hole. If the buffer tube neck had some kind of reinforcement I'd use them on my "duty" grade builds. View Quote |
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My AR isn't the rifle I'm likely to pick up if I need a gun at that moment, so I'm not too worried about the durability. Doubt I'll be able to break the lower unless I'm trying to do it anyways.
This is more of a fun/back up lightweight rifle in case my AUG goes down. Using lightweight components for all the larger parts, but keeping full weight components for the small parts that I don't lose much weight for the extra cost. Finally got rid of that stripped screw now, so I can throw the damn 1lb+ handguard into the parts bin. |
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Does anyone have the weight of the Sig Romeo 5 without the mount?
All of the weights listed have it with the mount at 5.1 ounces. I'm thinking of putting it on the scalarworks T1 mount until my Micro T2 arrives. |
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Is that the builders series receiver? What barrel? We can see most of the parts, Hogue grip, Minimalist stock etc.
It sure looks nice. |
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Originally Posted By Bacon_Grease:
Speaking of black Friday deals. I picked up that day arms bcg for 120 instead of the typical 160. My build may actually be finished this year. https://www.dsarms.com/p-17128.aspx?searchEngineName=dsa-ar15-enhanced-low-mass-aluminum-sand-cut-complete-bolt-carrier-group-556-223-300-blk View Quote |
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Originally Posted By pscot468: Yeah I had to buy it. This was years ago, lol I also didn't get the ejection port cover. The aluminum reaction rod broke, lol. In case you didn't figure that out yet 🤣😂 There are good German knockoff reaction rods in small and large frame, they're not expensive and they're made of steel. The Bev block is my favorite assembly tool though, it's idiot proof. I really like the Kaiser set though, not the lightest but the "match grade upper and lower fit" really is very good, lol. And it has high strength anti rotation aluminum inserts molded in at all the right places, including the gas tube hole. If the buffer tube neck had some kind of reinforcement I'd use them on my "duty" grade builds. View Quote |
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It's cool InRange was willing to do pushups on CavArms lower, but damn, I wouldn't have done that to any of my guns.
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Originally Posted By Loonytik:
Mostly done. I'm still waiting on the Micro T2 which should only add another 3 ounces. As it sits(without magazine)its 3lbs 13 3/4 ounces. I'll be 3/4oz over my 4lb target if the Micro is true to it's advertised weight. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49170256558_997a69029a_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49170965247_912e16998f_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49170483398_c69d45a37d_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49170483548_04417200f0_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49170957581_693aef08aa_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49170256543_39a09c17d2_c.jpg Honestly, I didn't realize how light an AR could be until I built this and it's not even in the neighborhood of the super light ones here. My next lightest AR is just a hair under 6lbs and this thing feels night and day in comparison. Now...hopefully is shoots! View Quote What is the barrel length? There is a shortage of LW mounts. I used a $20 Scalarworks knockoff Mount for my RMR that I found on Amazon. I further milled it to a final weight of .896 oz. It’s made with a softer 6063 aluminum but it seems plenty strong for an AR. Nice work Loonytic |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
Is that the builders series receiver? What barrel? We can see most of the parts, Hogue grip, Minimalist stock etc. It sure looks nice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By breastroker:
Is that the builders series receiver? What barrel? We can see most of the parts, Hogue grip, Minimalist stock etc. It sure looks nice. Originally Posted By larrys: Damn nice LW gun. I like these kinds of builds where it has that “normal” look to it, yet only four pounds. An adjustable stock and high quality RD even! What is the barrel length? There is a shortage of LW mounts. I used a $20 Scalarworks knockoff Mount for my RMR that I found on Amazon. I further milled it to a final weight of .896 oz. It’s made with a softer 6063 aluminum but it seems plenty strong for an AR. Nice work Loonytic |
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Originally Posted By asorel: I don't suppose you've taken the risk, and tried doing push-ups off a gun with the Kaiser receivers? 😜 If I can see a gun take that treatment without the receiver extension snapping off I consider it strong enough for duty purposes. The problem of course is finding someone willing to spend perfectly good money on gun parts, then record himself trying to break them. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Loonytik:
Mostly done. I'm still waiting on the Micro T2 which should only add another 3 ounces. As it sits(without magazine)its 3lbs 13 3/4 ounces. I'll be 3/4oz over my 4lb target if the Micro is true to it's advertised weight. Honestly, I didn't realize how light an AR could be until I built this and it's not even in the neighborhood of the super light ones here. My next lightest AR is just a hair under 6lbs and this thing feels night and day in comparison. Now...hopefully is shoots! View Quote |
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Originally Posted By JerDerv: Really nice blend of 2A and V7. Good shit man, looks like a solid shooter. Im curious to see the rest of your build list. Shaving 3/4oz off that stock shouldn't be to difficult. If you don't mind the look, a standard Car stock from brownels could save you enough OZ to run a nice charging handle. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JerDerv: Really nice blend of 2A and V7. Good shit man, looks like a solid shooter. Im curious to see the rest of your build list. Shaving 3/4oz off that stock shouldn't be to difficult. If you don't mind the look, a standard Car stock from brownels could save you enough OZ to run a nice charging handle. Originally Posted By Loonytik:
Does anyone have the weight of the Sig Romeo 5 without the mount? All of the weights listed have it with the mount at 5.1 ounces. I'm thinking of putting it on the scalarworks T1 mount until my Micro T2 arrives. |
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Originally Posted By Micron: Man I was glad I stopped in and seen your post the other day! I was able to pick one up for $120 also! Thanks for taking the time to post this deal! View Quote I weighed my build and it's just missing the poly lpk from new frontier. Everything else is present. I changed the buffer assembly from standard. To my armaspec because it weighs 6.6oz. So it should account for missing parts and standard buffer. Attached File So I'm going to count this as the official weight |
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Dating a single mom is like playing someone else's saved game. |
I hope this isn't considered cheating by saying I'm done when I'm not. But even when I get the lpk. I'm likely not going to install it.
I'm really wanting to put this on the new wwsd poly lowers when they come out. What the whole thing looks like. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Dating a single mom is like playing someone else's saved game. |
Originally Posted By Bacon_Grease:
I hope this isn't considered cheating by saying I'm done when I'm not. But even when I get the lpk. I'm likely not going to install it. I'm really wanting to put this on the new wwsd poly lowers when they come out. What the whole thing looks like. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/153775/IMG_20191205_175331197_jpg-1185077.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By WriterClarke: How's the See-All? Thinking of swapping my current UH-1 for one cause I've yet to find a lighter red dot that works with my astigmatism like Holo sights do. View Quote I would suggest the newer one with the side thumb screw over this model. As the screws F up every thing you mount it on. I believe it's found its home on this upper. https://seeallopensight.com/ Oh snap and it's on sale too. |
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Dating a single mom is like playing someone else's saved game. |
That's good to hear, and the sale is certainly tempting. The crosshair reticle for the Mk.2 seems weirdly busy, which sucks cause I'd prefer it over the delta.
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Originally Posted By Bacon_Grease:
I hope this isn't considered cheating by saying I'm done when I'm not. But even when I get the lpk. I'm likely not going to install it. I'm really wanting to put this on the new wwsd poly lowers when they come out. What the whole thing looks like. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/153775/IMG_20191205_175331197_jpg-1185077.JPG View Quote Keep us updated |
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I agree, nice build bacon!
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Anybody have any pointers on getting out the barrel nut and trunnion out of a Coda Evolution handguard? I just got mine and I pulled the screws and the trunnion refuses to pop out.
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Screw it onto a receiver, pull?
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Looks great writerclark.
I’d never heard of the Coda handguard before. I don’t see It in the PWD even but I checked out their site. It looks badass. |
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Yeah, didn't hear about 'em till a month ago, and I really liked the mounting setup for it. Mine had a bit of extra resin around the trunnion area, so I had to freeze it for half an hour, screw it onto the receiver threads, and practically mortar it to finally free the handguard from the trunnion.
I think my only complaint is they only have 4 lengths. Would've preferred an 11", but it was either 13.5 or 9" and that'd show too much barrel. Now I just need to decide if I'll keep the Huey on it, or find something a bit lighter to get it under 5lbs. It's weird to have an AR that's the same weight as my little brother's 10/22 without the Huey on it. |
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I ordered a 9" Coda handguard on Black Friday too. Also ordered a 12.3" BA Hanson for it. They'll mate to a Frontier Arms side charger upper and WWSD lower when that becomes available. Will eventually be suppressed. My first SBR and suppressed rifle!
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Originally Posted By augerpro:
I ordered a 9" Coda handguard on Black Friday too. Also ordered a 12.3" BA Hanson for it. They'll mate to a Frontier Arms side charger upper and WWSD lower when that becomes available. Will eventually be suppressed. My first SBR and suppressed rifle! View Quote |
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Originally Posted By augerpro: I guess I assumed they had serial numbers on them already? This is new to me so what am I missing? View Quote |
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Should be plenty of space on the new WWSD lower to add this info, no?
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Originally Posted By augerpro: Thought about it, but all the carrier/buffer systems I'm interested in are carbine length only. View Quote |
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Also I feel I need to point this out, stamping a polymer lower could end up being a costly and time consuming mistake.
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Originally Posted By pscot468: I like the SB tactical sba3 and sba4 braces. They go on a mil spec 6 position buffer tube. So you would still be using a carbine length buffer. The sba3 is pretty lightweight, I'm using it with a v7 2055 buffer tube on my lightweight Kaiser polymer 50 Beowulf but if you were feeling spendier you could use a carbon fiber tube too. I really like the wwsd lower but I hate paying $200 to the government for something that should be 100% legal. Oh and not to mention waiting 6 months until they tell me whether I can have it or not! View Quote |
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Being that close to going under 4 pounds would drive me crazy, OK crazier LOL
Pretty easy to get under 4 pounds, using a Taccom buffer and spring or buffer without weights and a 300 BO Spring. About 2.5 ounces less. |
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Originally Posted By augerpro: I like that SBPDW. Wonder if it is kinda heavy for a lightweight build? View Quote Speaking of braces, does anyone know of any good options for a 1913 receiver mount (i.e. the Sig MCX style moun) other than the Sig PCB brace? I've been eyeballing this bolt carrier, and am looking for other options for the ass end of the rifle. |
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Originally Posted By breastroker:
Being that close to going under 4 pounds would drive me crazy, OK crazier LOL Pretty easy to get under 4 pounds, using a Taccom buffer and spring or buffer without weights and a 300 BO Spring. About 2.5 ounces less. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By augerpro: I like that SBPDW. Wonder if it is kinda heavy for a lightweight build? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By augerpro: I like that SBPDW. Wonder if it is kinda heavy for a lightweight build? Originally Posted By asorel: For pistol braces, I don't think it's worth it. It's not any more compact collapsed than an SBA3 is (in fact it's exactly the same), but it's far more expensive and several ounces heavier. PDW-style stocks are a nice option, PDW pistol braces not so much. Speaking of braces, does anyone know of any good options for a 1913 receiver mount (i.e. the Sig MCX style moun) other than the Sig PCB brace? I've been eyeballing this bolt carrier, and am looking for other options for the ass end of the rifle. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ak-p-ak-v-triangle-side-folding-brace.html You're welcome ;) That bufferless system looks fantastic btw!!! |
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Originally Posted By pscot468: The sbpdw is very heavy. The sba3 is the lightest option. The gear head works tailhook mod 2 is pretty lightweight too but you have to use their proprietary 5 position buffer tube. For compactness check out the maxim pdw brace. There's nothing more compact and it still gives you a decent length of pull and 4 positions! It uses a short proprietary buffer and what appears to be a cut down 308 strength spring but you have every buffer weight option available from 3 oz to h3. You could always take the reciprocating weights out though 😁 Pricey but I love mine. Oh and to answer your 1913 brace question I like the palmetto State armory triangle folding "brace". https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ak-p-ak-v-triangle-side-folding-brace.html You're welcome ;) That bufferless system looks fantastic btw!!! View Quote |
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Originally Posted By asorel: Thanks! Don't suppose you have the weight of the AK-V brace? The Sig PCB comes in at around 10-11 oz. That Maxim PDW is nice, about an inch and a half more compact than the SBA3, but unfortunately still heavier than SBA3+CF Buffer tube+buffer system, even if you use the chunky JP SCS buffer. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By larrys: Your not kidding! I posted my build on the picture thread. I was shooting for 3 pounds and ended up at 3lb and .29 oz. My plan is to SBR it anyway so when finished it will be just under 3 lbs with not one single polymer part. I’ll either use a thread protector or an aluminum muzzle device of some sorts to get where I need to be weight wise. I made this aluminum flash hider playing around. It’s a little crude, I’m no machinist! https://www.dropbox.com/s/ezrvh4858lsc00v/Photo%20Dec%2009%2C%208%2002%2016%20PM.jpg?raw=1 It’s under 1/2 oz. at .441 oz, but I have no idea if it will hold up at all. I don’t have a gun to even try it on right now. It may last a few rounds or who knows, maybe a few thousand?? Most of what I have read says it will be gone in short order. Does anyone have the gun, range time and ammo to run it to its death? I’ll ship it to you to try out as an experiment. I drilled a hole in it to use a pin wrench to tighten it up but in my ultimate wisdom I put it in the wrong location....🤬. https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5m9rl8hq0u5q64/Photo%20Dec%2009%2C%207%2037%2025%20PM.jpg?raw=1 Not an issue since it’s just an experiment anyway. View Quote Shoot me an email if that's something you'd like to have me try. Happy to send it back for you to analyze, too. stitchclimber1 at gmail.com |
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Just a country guy who loves God, Fords, guns, his country, his family and his wife!
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Originally Posted By stitchclimber: We've got some guns to test and a friend has a registered M-16 lower so I'm happy to screw in on a 10.5" machine gun, 12.5" upper, 14.5'" upper, I think my buddy has a 7.5" upper, too. SBR and M-16 would give you a durability idea pretty fast. Shoot me an email if that's something you'd like to have me try. Happy to send it back for you to analyze, too. stitchclimber1 at gmail.com View Quote |
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