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Posted: 1/24/2012 5:33:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Finslayer83]
Do I need to do anything different to run a mid length upper with an A2 (rifle buffer / buffer tube) lower?
Or slap on and go? I'm wanting to replace my carbine extension with a rifle one and run an A1 / C1 stock. Just needing to know if I need different buffer weight |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2015 10:27:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBeautiful! 
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Posted: 3/27/2015 10:33:41 PM EDT
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2015 11:08:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:49:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2015 10:20:00 AM EDT
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How about a 18" A2 277-Wolverine with a free float tube under the handguards, super peep sights and a Geissele two stage trigger......kind of a modified DCM Variant.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2015 10:25:03 AM EDT
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I'll play along, 13.7" middy with Lancer A1 stock, not for long though.
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GI_Brat:
How about a 18" A2 277-Wolverine with a free float tube under the handguards, super peep sights and a Geissele two stage trigger......kind of a modified DCM Variant. http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/4382/74780.JPG http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/4382/74782.JPG I like it! |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 2:59:13 PM EDT
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MA, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2015 5:37:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kontonchaos]
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:00:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2015 1:20:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p226guy:
I like it! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By GI_Brat:
How about a 18" A2 277-Wolverine with a free float tube under the handguards, super peep sights and a Geissele two stage trigger......kind of a modified DCM Variant. http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/4382/74780.JPG http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/4382/74782.JPG I like it! Thanks! |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2015 7:49:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cmb3366]
[#12]
Here's my latest build, PSA LW upper, SSA NiB bolt and carrier, BCM charging handle, Anderson Lower with Geissele G2S, Colt A2 stock and carry handle. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 8:10:49 PM EDT
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I forget if I posted this or not
RRA Lightweight Midlength barrel CavArms A1 stock generic other stuff  |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:31:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dragonman0325]
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/kelli1016/IMG_20150207_114709.jpg
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Posted: 3/31/2015 5:44:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: machinegunseabee]
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How about some help on that dragonman. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2015 5:43:20 PM EDT
[#16]
Mini-Me and FN A2 clone.
Mini-Me specs: PSA CHF 1/7 mid-length upper half with GI carry handle PSA lower receiver & PSA over-mould LPK A1 stock, receiver extension, & buffer |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 8:42:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ARKAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW:
I forget if I posted this or not RRA Lightweight Midlength barrel CavArms A1 stock generic other stuff http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af236/onehalfmvsquared/hobby/RRAMidFix_zps192dd0a6.jpg Love that setup, perfect combination of parts. This will be my next build. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2015 8:58:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2015 1:46:46 AM EDT
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IA, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2015 2:25:01 AM EDT
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Man, I love fixed stocks, but I just can't get into the looks of the carbine and mid-length hand guards for some reason. I much prefer rifle+ length hand guards both in looks and functionality. That's why I put a 15" partial quad rail on mine. There's some great looking rifles here though.
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2015 2:16:40 PM EDT
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I use fixed stocks on all my scoped ARs for cheek weld reasons, and because they're lighter than a UBR. The top one is 6.8 SPC, bottom is 5.56.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2015 2:46:38 PM EDT
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Both run great; standard buffer on each:
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Posted: 5/2/2015 6:38:56 AM EDT
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Bump, cause this is going to be one of my next builds
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Posted: 5/2/2015 6:47:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat rail is that if I may ask? |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 3:23:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Only way to roll http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/phatalligator/imagejpg1_zps36ff3970.jpg http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k84/phatalligator/imagejpg2_zpsa1d679b4.jpg What rail is that? This is how I'm wanting mine to look |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 5:10:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: airgunner]
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Here's my son's Middy as it currently sits...
Mega Arms upper and lower receivers. Daniel Defense Barrel, BCG and LPK Centurion Arms C4 Mid Length Cutout rail Colt CS Stock, Magpul MIAD grip He's in the Navy so I had to make it special for him in some way... 
Not sure what he wants to do optics wise and he doesn't have a lot of money so options are limited. I've been wanting to upgrade my recce to a Leupold MK-6 anyway so I think I might just give him my MK-4 
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Posted: 5/9/2015 4:50:25 PM EDT
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bump
I'm thinking about putting a new A1 from Fulton Armory on my middy, do they really shoot that smooth? |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 10:38:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p226guy:
I'm thinking about putting a new A1 from Fulton Armory on my middy, do they really shoot that smooth? Looks like what FA is calling a "New A1" is just a Cav Arms A1 length stock? Functionally they're fine but IMO they have a cheap feel to them because they are hollow and very light (which may or may not be a good thing depending on your end goal and personal taste?). If you go that route, make sure you at least get an A2 butt-plate and hardware. I'm not sure I understand your question about shooting smooth? I think most people go with the fixed stock because if you don't have short arms or aren't kicking in doors and wearing body armor then there really isn't much point or need for an adjustable stock. That being the case then why just use a fixed stock which is usually cheaper, stronger and offers a more comfortable cheek weld? A lot of people find the A2 length stock a bit too long though hence the popularity of the A1 length stocks. But yes, a side benefit of a 5.56mm rifle with a fixed stock (w/rifle buffer) combined with a mid-length gas system is you get a pretty soft shooting rifle. Its more the weight of the rifle buffer then the fixed stock itself that makes the difference. You can accomplish pretty much the same results with a H2 or H3 buffer if you wanted to stick with an adjustable stock. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 10:55:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airgunner:
Looks like what FA is calling a "New A1" is just a Cav Arms A1 length stock? Functionally they're fine but IMO they have a cheap feel to them because they are hollow and very light (which may or may not be a good thing depending on your end goal and personal taste?). If you go that route, make sure you at least get an A2 butt-plate and hardware. I'm not sure I understand your question about shooting smooth? I think most people go with the fixed stock because if you don't have short arms or aren't kicking in doors and wearing body armor then there really isn't much point or need for an adjustable stock. That being the case then why just use a fixed stock which is usually cheaper, stronger and offers a more comfortable cheek weld? A lot of people find the A2 length stock a bit too long though hence the popularity of the A1 length stocks. But yes, a side benefit of a 5.56mm rifle with a fixed stock (w/rifle buffer) combined with a mid-length gas system is you get a pretty soft shooting rifle. Its more the weight of the rifle buffer then the fixed stock itself that makes the difference. You can accomplish pretty much the same results with a H2 or H3 buffer if you wanted to stick with an adjustable stock. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airgunner:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
I'm thinking about putting a new A1 from Fulton Armory on my middy, do they really shoot that smooth? Looks like what FA is calling a "New A1" is just a Cav Arms A1 length stock? Functionally they're fine but IMO they have a cheap feel to them because they are hollow and very light (which may or may not be a good thing depending on your end goal and personal taste?). If you go that route, make sure you at least get an A2 butt-plate and hardware. I'm not sure I understand your question about shooting smooth? I think most people go with the fixed stock because if you don't have short arms or aren't kicking in doors and wearing body armor then there really isn't much point or need for an adjustable stock. That being the case then why just use a fixed stock which is usually cheaper, stronger and offers a more comfortable cheek weld? A lot of people find the A2 length stock a bit too long though hence the popularity of the A1 length stocks. But yes, a side benefit of a 5.56mm rifle with a fixed stock (w/rifle buffer) combined with a mid-length gas system is you get a pretty soft shooting rifle. Its more the weight of the rifle buffer then the fixed stock itself that makes the difference. You can accomplish pretty much the same results with a H2 or H3 buffer if you wanted to stick with an adjustable stock. Sorry, I meant soft shooting. Is the Cav Arms C1 a bad stock? |
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Posted: 5/10/2015 7:51:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p226guy:
Is the Cav Arms C1 a bad stock? Mater of opinion and and depends on your criteria? I had one and didn't care for it for the reasons I listed before but many people have them and love them. From a functional POV, they work just fine and there is no fear of them breaking or coming apart and you can't beat the price. The lightweight and hollowness of them just feels cheap to me. The other reason why I don't like the light weight is because it screws up the balance of the rifle making it very front heavy. For me, balance is just as important as overall weight. The problem IMO is, there really isn't any perfect A1 length fixed stock option. The closest thing to perfect IMO is the Colt "CS" stock like I have on my son's AR. Its a great stock but the problem is they are hard to find and often very expensive when you do. Then its almost a toss up between the original A1 stocks and the Cav Arms stock. The original A1's have become hard to find in excellent condition the material they are of is not as robust as the A2 type stocks. After that there are other aftermarket options by companies like Magpul and Vltor. I've never tried any of those but find them to be pretty goofy looking IMO but if you are not worried about looks (or like the look) they are probably good options? |
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Posted: 5/10/2015 11:05:38 AM EDT
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I'm just going to get the Fulton A1 stock kit. Not worried about it being right for a clone, just want an A1 length stock.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2015 1:38:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mcantu]
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doesnt someone make an A1 length stock but with A2 material? was that Colt?
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Posted: 5/11/2015 6:40:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu:
doesnt someone make an A1 length stock but with A2 material? was that Colt? Yes, its the Colt CS stock I mentioned above but as I stated, they are very hard to find and because of that, usually very expensive when you do. |
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Posted: 5/12/2015 6:09:41 AM EDT
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Well I ordered the Fulton Armory A1 Stock kit.
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Posted: 5/12/2015 7:48:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p226guy:
Well I ordered the Fulton Armory A1 Stock kit. Cool - you'll probably be fine with it. I'm just kind of picky/anal. As much as I LOVE the Colt CS stock, I wouldn't pay $150 - $200 for one either. |
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Posted: 5/12/2015 8:52:29 AM EDT
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The Fulton kit is good to go.
Mid length / rifle buffer combo makes for a smooth recoil impulse. Very similar to a 20" IMO. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 7:14:51 AM EDT
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Bad pic but I got it installed. Liking this setup.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 12:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p226guy:
Bad pic but I got it installed. Liking this setup. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/philipdrye/media/E6279C8F-C89A-42F6-A31B-2DF01489987E_zps6fcbm6ej.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y423/philipdrye/E6279C8F-C89A-42F6-A31B-2DF01489987E_zps6fcbm6ej.jpg</a> Cool deal!  Nice setup, everything you need and nothing you don't! 
Although me personally, I've gotten to the point were I need an optic 
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Posted: 5/15/2015 3:13:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: p226guy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airgunner:
Cool deal! Nice setup, everything you need and nothing you don't!
Although me personally, I've gotten to the point were I need an optic Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By airgunner:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
Bad pic but I got it installed. Liking this setup. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/philipdrye/media/E6279C8F-C89A-42F6-A31B-2DF01489987E_zps6fcbm6ej.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y423/philipdrye/E6279C8F-C89A-42F6-A31B-2DF01489987E_zps6fcbm6ej.jpg</a> Cool deal! Nice setup, everything you need and nothing you don't!
Although me personally, I've gotten to the point were I need an optic Better pic. I might get one of the Primary arms advanced micro dots. 
Anyone know a good soing setup for this rifle? My Proctor sling won't work. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 8:32:51 PM EDT
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16" midlength, DSG/ Seekins upper, Seekins Lower, Stag LPK, Old A1 stock I found in the EE.
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Posted: 5/18/2015 4:13:56 PM EDT
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Not too shabby
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2015 10:07:45 AM EDT
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Does the Cavarms A1 have a trap door in it? Reason I ask is because lots of people have mentioned that it is very light weight and "cheap" feeling. I was wondering if you could fill it with spray foam or maybe bondo and if that would help the weight/feel of it......
I had a Saiga shotgun that I wanted a better recoil pad on and to shorten up. I cut the stock down and then threw a couple of steel wool pads in the stock cavity (just to take up space essentially as I didn't want to add too much weight) and filled the rest of it with Bondo. I was then able to screw a new Kick Eeze buttpad down on it no problem and the additional weight felt much better. Just a thought..... |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2015 10:23:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p226guy:
Better pic. I might get one of the Primary arms advanced micro dots. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/philipdrye/media/8A98586C-46AC-4D52-925D-18792CC77558_zpsbpxqxb6l.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y423/philipdrye/8A98586C-46AC-4D52-925D-18792CC77558_zpsbpxqxb6l.jpg</a> Anyone know a good soing setup for this rifle? My Proctor sling won't work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By airgunner:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
Bad pic but I got it installed. Liking this setup. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/philipdrye/media/E6279C8F-C89A-42F6-A31B-2DF01489987E_zps6fcbm6ej.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y423/philipdrye/E6279C8F-C89A-42F6-A31B-2DF01489987E_zps6fcbm6ej.jpg</a> Cool deal! Nice setup, everything you need and nothing you don't!
Although me personally, I've gotten to the point were I need an optic Better pic. I might get one of the Primary arms advanced micro dots. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/philipdrye/media/8A98586C-46AC-4D52-925D-18792CC77558_zpsbpxqxb6l.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y423/philipdrye/8A98586C-46AC-4D52-925D-18792CC77558_zpsbpxqxb6l.jpg</a> Anyone know a good soing setup for this rifle? My Proctor sling won't work. I personally like cotton M1 garand slings. |
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Posted: 5/19/2015 10:25:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AASG:
I personally like cotton M1 garand slings. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AASG:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By airgunner:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
Bad pic but I got it installed. Liking this setup. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/philipdrye/media/E6279C8F-C89A-42F6-A31B-2DF01489987E_zps6fcbm6ej.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y423/philipdrye/E6279C8F-C89A-42F6-A31B-2DF01489987E_zps6fcbm6ej.jpg</a> Cool deal! Nice setup, everything you need and nothing you don't!
Although me personally, I've gotten to the point were I need an optic Better pic. I might get one of the Primary arms advanced micro dots. <a href="http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/philipdrye/media/8A98586C-46AC-4D52-925D-18792CC77558_zpsbpxqxb6l.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y423/philipdrye/8A98586C-46AC-4D52-925D-18792CC77558_zpsbpxqxb6l.jpg</a> Anyone know a good soing setup for this rifle? My Proctor sling won't work. I personally like cotton M1 garand slings. Don't really want a shooting sling, I want one for carrying the rifle. |
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Posted: 5/19/2015 10:26:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will:
Does the Cavarms A1 have a trap door in it? Reason I ask is because lots of people have mentioned that it is very light weight and "cheap" feeling. I was wondering if you could fill it with spray foam or maybe bondo and if that would help the weight/feel of it...... I had a Saiga shotgun that I wanted a better recoil pad on and to shorten up. I cut the stock down and then threw a couple of steel wool pads in the stock cavity (just to take up space essentially as I didn't want to add too much weight) and filled the rest of it with Bondo. I was then able to screw a new Kick Eeze buttpad down on it no problem and the additional weight felt much better. Just a thought..... Not sure if the stock C1 does but the Fulton C1 has a trapdoor. |
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Posted: 5/21/2015 12:37:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p226guy:
Not sure if the stock C1 does but the Fulton C1 has a trapdoor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By Will:
Does the Cavarms A1 have a trap door in it? Reason I ask is because lots of people have mentioned that it is very light weight and "cheap" feeling. I was wondering if you could fill it with spray foam or maybe bondo and if that would help the weight/feel of it...... I had a Saiga shotgun that I wanted a better recoil pad on and to shorten up. I cut the stock down and then threw a couple of steel wool pads in the stock cavity (just to take up space essentially as I didn't want to add too much weight) and filled the rest of it with Bondo. I was then able to screw a new Kick Eeze buttpad down on it no problem and the additional weight felt much better. Just a thought..... Not sure if the stock C1 does but the Fulton C1 has a trapdoor. You can pull the baseplate entirely from the Cavarms. THe trapdoor is cheap plastic, I understand, so a USGI trapdoor is a good idea. I thought about that myself, and if I ever buy a Cavarms stock, I plan to fill it. It will likely swell a little totally filled. I think a dab'll do ya.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 10:37:28 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will:
Does the Cavarms A1 have a trap door in it? Reason I ask is because lots of people have mentioned that it is very light weight and "cheap" feeling. I was wondering if you could fill it with spray foam or maybe bondo and if that would help the weight/feel of it.... Yes, that would be totally doable (the butt plate comes off just like any A1 or A2 stock) and really, that's all an A2 stock is (a shell with some type of filler). What you use as the filler would be key in how well this would turn out? Standard expanding foam would probably still be on the light side but filling it completely with bondo would probably end up too heavy? Stuffing it with something light and then filling the rest of it with something heavy like bondo would probably make it balance weird? Its a really good idea, just have to find the right type of expanding foam. Something that won't stress or expand the stock itself but that has some weight/density to it? Its been a while since I've had a C1 stock but one possibly minor issue might be sling loop opening? I can't remember if that is open to the inner cavity or not? If it is, you would have to do do something about that but it wouldn't be a show stopper. Another possible up side to doing this? Depending on the material you used to fill the stock with, it might allow for installing QD sling swivel cups? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:15:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Warhawk]
[#48]
My contribution, my KISS rifle. About the Cav Arms stock, I am using the A2 buttplate assembly on mine. Bolts right on/
I started with a PSA middy upper, swapped the barrel assy onto an A1 upper from CDNN. Bushmaster lower, Cav Arms furniture, ALG QMS trigger. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:34:43 PM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2015 2:44:41 PM EDT
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Finally I can participate in this thread! The ArmaLite got new furniture -- Magpul MOE rifle stock and Troy 13" FFHG. I'm liking it.
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