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Posted: 7/7/2011 12:07:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot]
So just an introduction to this thread - its purpose is to show off your Block II clone builds; here is a list of some of the common characteristics and equipment that the Block II M4A1s have:
THE Block II Chart (courtesy of Patriot_Man) Barrel: 14.5" M4 or SOCOM contour barrel Flash Hider: KAC NT4 Surefire 4P Suppressors: KAC NT4 Surefire SOCOM RC Rail System: Early Block II M4A1s still used the KAC M4 RIS/RAS DD RIS II in dark earth Vertical grips Tango down battle grip in tan KAC Grip-Pod Rail panels: Tango Down KAC Front sight: KAC flip up in tan standard front sight base (if early Block II with M4 RIS/RAS) Optics: Elcan Specter DR SU-230 EOTech SU-231-PEQ (EOTech 553) EOTech SU-231A-PEQ (EOTech EXPS03) ACOG SU-237 (TA01-ECOS) EOTech/Aimpoint 3x magnifiers IR Lasers: Insight AN/PEQ-15/LA-5 Flashlight: Insight M3 (SU-233/PVS) Insight WMX200 Rear sight: KAC 300m KAC 600m MaTech Buttstock: standard M4 (both older CAR style and newer "LE" style) LMT SOPMOD 
some reference pics  Attached File Attached File
 early block II
 more early Block IIs
Just to reiterate, you don't have to have an EXACT copy of a Block II M4A1 to post your rifle up here, but the purpose is to post pictures of our rifles that we've made specifically to emulate the issue Block II weapon system - if you've got a midlength carbine with an UBR stock that just happens to have a RIS II on it it is likely you did not intend the rifle be a "clone" of the newest generation M4A1, and probably doesn't belong in this picture thread. Rifles that have no Block II components ie standard M4geries with Block I Optics do not embody the purpose of this thread and though they are nice weapons in their own right, shouldn't be posted in this thread to avoid unnecessary clutter. Originally Posted By Augee: The easiest visual discriminator of whether you're looking at a SOPMOD equipped M4A1 or an MWS M4 is usually the identity of who is holding it. If it's a SOF troop, it's probably a SOPMOD M4[A1]. If it's a conventional troop, it's probably an M4 MWS. SOPMOD = SOF MWS = Conventional The SOPMOD program was initially fielded in 1996, and the two have not significantly converged or crossed over at all since then, and there is almost no commonality between systems used in the two. They are separate lines of development and evolution managed by two totally different components (Army and Navy). SOPMOD is run by NSWC-Crane to equip SOF M4A1 Carbines with accessories. There are two distinct "blocks" as identified by NSWC-Crane PowerPoints as the primary source of information, however, there was a "transitional period" of several years in which carbines with items from both blocks were used. Because of a PowerPoint slide that was published (IIRC?) 2006 showing a block labeled "phased replacement," it has become the colloquial term for "transitional" configurations. "Block x" does NOT refer, in an "official" sense to a specific configuration of rifle. It refers to specific modifications (read accessories) to the SOF M4A1 weapon system that are managed by Crane. Colloquially we refer to M4A1s with accessories from the first block of the SOPMOD program as "Block 1," while using "Block 2" to describe carbines with the RIS II, one of the last components of the second block of the SOPMOD program to be fielded. Carbines with the accessories/features of both blocks of the SOPMOD program, but without the RIS II, we refer to as "Phased Replacement." It is important to note, however, that this colloquial classification is generally limited to this thread, and others both here and on other sites that feed off of it. The important thing to understand is that the SOPMOD program is almost always limited to SOF only, and 99% of the time, the "actual" weapon in question will be an M4A1, not an M4. The M4 is a conventional forces weapon system, and is totally separate from the SOPMOD program and SOF modifications, though they were "inspired" by the SOPMOD program, almost every single actual item is different. The M4 is managed by the Army overall through TACOM, though the Marine Corps also manages their own programs through their own directorates for their specific incarnation of the M4. The M4 is a conventional forces platform, and is upgraded through modular weapon system (MWS) upgrades. There are no specific blocks, increments, or generations, and their specifics vary by time period, unit, and MTOE. ~Augee |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2017 10:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
So not 7.8 lbs? Does it have a Matech and side sling swivel? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2017 10:38:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: joglee]
[#2]
DUPE.
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Posted: 5/6/2017 10:52:56 PM EDT
[#3]
Let's keep this thread on topic guys. Clone photos only.
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2017 12:08:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CoilCrafter]
[#4]
EDIT - See below post
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2017 12:10:25 AM EDT
[#5]
I remember hearing about some Block 2's with FSP rails had their FSB shaved down. Anyone have those pictures?
Would like to see pictures of light's being used besides the WMX200. Any pictures of 14.5" block 2's with risers? I'm sure it's been done, I just love seeing wild pics. I'm currently digging the internet for pics and would love to see what you guys have saved. I'd love to see any pictures anyone has of FSP block 2's in use for some inspiration. Just bought a RIS II FSP, complete upper, and having braceman engrave an 80% for me right now. Basically just need optic and light. Leaning towards red dot and possibly magnifier.. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:35:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SemperFortis202]
[#6]
Deleted *double post*
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2017 1:39:03 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2:
I have a similar setup; KAC micro 2-6, acog in GDI mount, and RIS II. How do you like the offset T1? Is there enough space with the two rail slots to mount the larue offset mount on the receiver? Maybe if it was switched around with the lever pointing forward? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2:
Originally Posted By SemperFortis202:
Current Setup!! Soon to replace the Acog with a NF 2.5x10x24. https://i.redd.it/kft4o3v9b6uy.jpg How do you like the offset T1? Is there enough space with the two rail slots to mount the larue offset mount on the receiver? Maybe if it was switched around with the lever pointing forward? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2017 10:28:42 PM EDT
[#8]
Whats hotter right now? the M4A1 Block II or MK18?
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Posted: 5/7/2017 11:00:03 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JDangit:
Whats hotter right now? the M4A1 Block II or MK18? |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2017 8:57:31 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JDangit:
Whats hotter right now? the M4A1 Block II or MK18? I went M4A1 Block 2 because I'm not 21 for another month and can't stamp. Also I've used a 14.5 and acog in the army for the past almost 4 years. MK18 seems more practical but 14.5 can do everything a 10.3 can. Well except not be M16 like in length with a suppressor. I also just like the way the 14.5 and M855 line up with my ballistic reticle on my ACOG RCO-M150CP. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 9:23:42 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2:
Either. All the same cool accessories. Just 10.3 vs 14.5. A lil more velocity for more length and more weight. I went M4A1 Block 2 because I'm not 21 for another month and can't stamp. Also I've used a 14.5 and acog in the army for the past almost 4 years. MK18 seems more practical but 14.5 can do everything a 10.3 can. Well except not be M16 like in length with a suppressor. I also just like the way the 14.5 and M855 line up with my ballistic reticle on my ACOG RCO-M150CP. 
To keep this on topic...  Attached FileThank you for your service 762hunter2 |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2017 11:48:49 PM EDT
[#12]
CQD mounts came today, sling should be here tomorrow as well.
I'm also trying decide between picking up an EXPS3 to replace my non-clone TA33, or getting a SOCOM556-RC2. I'm leaning towards the RC2  ...
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Posted: 5/8/2017 11:59:30 PM EDT
[#13]
You can file a F1 at 18, just cant buy one from an SOT.
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Posted: 5/9/2017 1:26:47 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
This statement is one of the things that pisses me off. The government trusts you with this weapon to fight & die for this country, but you can't have a NFA weapon at home because you're not 21
Thank you for your service 762hunter2 |
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Posted: 5/9/2017 8:20:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2017 10:11:04 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalynchmob:
CQD mounts came today, sling should be here tomorrow as well. http://i63.tinypic.com/148g56e.jpg I'm also trying decide between picking up an EXPS3 to replace my non-clone TA33, or getting a SOCOM556-RC2. I'm leaning towards the RC2 ... |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2017 2:51:04 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jBoy723:
I'd definitely get the process started on the suppressor out of the two choices since you have a serviceable optic and just save up for the EXPS. Or you could sell the ACOG and use those funds towards the EXPS and suppressor. I know everyone goes through it, but the wait is going to suck  .
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2017 10:42:59 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
This statement is one of the things that pisses me off. The government trusts you with this weapon to fight & die for this country, but you can't have a NFA weapon at home because you're not 21
To keep this on topic... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/260726/M4A1-204105.JPG Thank you for your service 762hunter2 I was able to get a concealed carry license at 18. But less than a month before I can start filing for cool stuff. Would like a RC/RC2 and to stamp my colt lower. My dad used to always say "you got the wants" 
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Posted: 5/10/2017 10:50:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HARMS4X]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By carmodyh:
If you don't mind it not being clone correct, the new trijicon 1-8 accupower can be had for as low as 1200-1300 if you shot around... I picked one up to run on my SPR (replaced a 2.5-10) and the thing is incredible... Best bang for the buck variable optic if you don't mind the weight I have an ELCAN on my SCAR17 and was considering selling it and getting another accupower 1-8 and mount for the money I actually listed my mk18 & M4A1 in the market. I was thinking if I have to deviate that much maybe just sell the block 2 stuff. Then I said screw it and decided to keep em and run what ever glass I want on it.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:12:59 AM EDT
[#20]
I'm going between the ACOG / Doctor and the AccuPower now.
The weight is really noticeable but I do like the feel of the AccuPower.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 1:04:12 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
I really like the one I picked up. It's a tad heavy though. The glass very nice. The only thing that I don't like are the turret adjustments mushy. I am far sighted and I can't see shit with a RDs at 100. So I am going LPVs on all my guns. I actually listed my mk18 & M4A1 in the market. I was thinking if I have to deviate that much maybe just sell the block 2 stuff. Then I said screw it and decided to keep em and run what ever glass I want on it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/IMG-0929-205515.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/IMG-0920-205514.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
Originally Posted By carmodyh:
If you don't mind it not being clone correct, the new trijicon 1-8 accupower can be had for as low as 1200-1300 if you shot around... I picked one up to run on my SPR (replaced a 2.5-10) and the thing is incredible... Best bang for the buck variable optic if you don't mind the weight I have an ELCAN on my SCAR17 and was considering selling it and getting another accupower 1-8 and mount for the money I actually listed my mk18 & M4A1 in the market. I was thinking if I have to deviate that much maybe just sell the block 2 stuff. Then I said screw it and decided to keep em and run what ever glass I want on it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/IMG-0929-205515.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/IMG-0920-205514.JPG |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 5:37:36 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
I'm going between the ACOG / Doctor and the AccuPower now. The weight is really noticeable but I do like the feel of the AccuPower. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187307/IMG-0930-205517.JPG |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 5:42:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: carmodyh]
[#23]
DUPE
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2017 7:15:47 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
I'm going between the ACOG / Doctor and the AccuPower now. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 8:17:04 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gatordev:
Everyone has their own use-cases, but for me, I've found the Docter to be damn near useless on my Elcan when the sun is anywhere in front of me. My red dot becomes 5 red dots due to the glass quality. Obviously nothing that happens with Aimpoints or EotTechs. In a perfect, free-product world, I'd love to have a RMR RM-06 on top of my Elcan, and maybe that will happen eventually, but the Docter's light dispersion qualities have been less than desirable (read: unusable). |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 8:17:04 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gatordev:
Everyone has their own use-cases, but for me, I've found the Docter to be damn near useless on my Elcan when the sun is anywhere in front of me. My red dot becomes 5 red dots due to the glass quality. Obviously nothing that happens with Aimpoints or EotTechs. In a perfect, free-product world, I'd love to have a RMR RM-06 on top of my Elcan, and maybe that will happen eventually, but the Docter's light dispersion qualities have been less than desirable (read: unusable). |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 10:33:30 PM EDT
[#27]
Back in the block 2 game. Excuse the 16" barrel. Form 1 in process. All colt
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2017 11:22:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SemperFortis202]
[#28]
I think I'm gonna call this one my "I hate money build"
And for my Block 2 FSP I scooped up this bad boy!! 
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Posted: 5/11/2017 8:57:42 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gatordev:
Everyone has their own use-cases, but for me, I've found the Docter to be damn near useless on my Elcan when the sun is anywhere in front of me. My red dot becomes 5 red dots due to the glass quality. Obviously nothing that happens with Aimpoints or EotTechs. In a perfect, free-product world, I'd love to have a RMR RM-06 on top of my Elcan, and maybe that will happen eventually, but the Docter's light dispersion qualities have been less than desirable (read: unusable). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gatordev:
Originally Posted By HARMS4X:
I'm going between the ACOG / Doctor and the AccuPower now. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2017 4:18:42 PM EDT
[#30]
I wanted to lighten my SOPMOD up a bit. I originally had an Eotech 556.A65 on it, and I have an Aimpoint Comp M3 2x, but I won a Vortex Viper so I figured I'd try this and I'm really enjoying it. I'm going to take it up to a 600-meter steel range next week and run some 62g and 77g through it.
I have two potentially dig deep questions that I started a thread for and wasn't able to get answered, so help a brother out: 1. The original McFarland one piece gas rings that temporarily replaced the three rings for the SOPMOD program, why did they switch back to Colt's three pieces? Did they modify the milspec rings to make them better and what (if anyone knows) did they do to them to improve them? All I can find is that Colt improved them, with no explanation to detail etc.? 2. Does anyone know why the LMT enhanced bolt that was slated for SOPMOD program seems to have been dropped versus the milspec Colt bolt? TIA - I'm trying to add some more info to my SOPMOD knowledge base... And thanks to Andrew (ANKRATZ) for matching my Colt grip to the DD FDE for the RISII FSP.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2017 5:16:57 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
I get it, but really the DR was added for CQB situations and most times put them in the window a pull the trigger. I think we as consumers look for the perfect world and in reality it's always a compromise. I had elcan 1-4 and loved it but the eye relief when switched sucked for me and then you still add the RDS to the system. Currently I have an RMR on an ACOG for my M4B2 and I like the setup. I don't like the ACOG eye relief, but that's just a given. The combo works very well for me on a timer or just plinking, so seems like a great way to go if that's what you're looking for. And like you said, a RM-06 is plenty bright. If only we could get some traction on that NF 1-8.......... |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 7:44:31 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
5th and 6th SOCOM lower in the pony stable
http://i.imgur.com/loq5vRR.jpg |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 7:53:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nate_the_great:
Cross post from IG and Facebook, Got it where I like it as well as having all the essentials for an HD rifle, now I just need to rezero the optic, and swap the buffer for an H2 and start focusing on the Block 1. http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q780/natesarfcom/47A1F986-650E-4F31-B7BD-EC720B480F57_zpsfzbzlcrv.jpg |
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BC, CAN
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Posted: 5/11/2017 8:00:58 PM EDT
[#34]
question for all you guys that picked up CQD mounts, where? i tried going on CQDs website and all i got was.
"Access to cqd.net was denied You don't have authorization to view this page. HTTP ERROR 403" does it now im canadian? am i now allowed to witness the treasures it keeps? |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 8:55:05 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frank4guns:
Curious -- where are you finding these, and how much is it setting you back? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frank4guns:
Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
5th and 6th SOCOM lower in the pony stable
http://i.imgur.com/loq5vRR.jpg |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2017 9:41:42 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By White_knight:
question for all you guys that picked up CQD mounts, where? i tried going on CQDs website and all i got was. "Access to cqd.net was denied You don't have authorization to view this page. HTTP ERROR 403" does it now im canadian? am i now allowed to witness the treasures it keeps?
I just ordered a forward and rear CQD mount in the past week straight from their website, good luck. Treasures Here |
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BC, CAN
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Posted: 5/11/2017 9:49:26 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalynchmob:
I'm no IT guy, but it could be the bagged milk...
I just ordered a forward and rear CQD mount in the past week straight from their website, good luck. Treasures Here |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 10:28:12 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By White_knight:
question for all you guys that picked up CQD mounts, where? i tried going on CQDs website and all i got was. "Access to cqd.net was denied You don't have authorization to view this page. HTTP ERROR 403" does it now im canadian? am i now allowed to witness the treasures it keeps? |
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BC, CAN
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Posted: 5/11/2017 10:39:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: White_knight]
[#39]
Originally Posted By Raptor83:
I've gotten that message before from here in the US. I assumed their site was just down because I went back a day or two later and everything loaded up without issue. thanks guys. |
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Posted: 5/12/2017 12:36:30 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By White_knight:
i've tried sporadically every now and then also thinking its down. but people keep saying that they just ordered stuff from there so i know its not. i don't know if its true that canadian ips are geoblocked or not. but i tried chrome, mozilla and even IE with no luck. then i plugged the site into an online proxy. set it to US and BAM, in. all want wanted to do was check the prices on what they go for new. thanks guys. |
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BC, CAN
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Posted: 5/12/2017 12:43:34 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Would using incognito mode work as well? |
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Posted: 5/12/2017 12:51:49 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By White_knight:
it does not. only a proxy worked |
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Posted: 5/12/2017 8:02:13 AM EDT
[#43]
No problems here. I ordered my sling mounts Friday last week and they got here yesterday.
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Posted: 5/12/2017 2:48:42 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CoilCrafter:
I remember hearing about some Block 2's with FSP rails had their FSB shaved down. Anyone have those pictures? Would like to see pictures of light's being used besides the WMX200. Any pictures of 14.5" block 2's with risers? I'm sure it's been done, I just love seeing wild pics. I'm currently digging the internet for pics and would love to see what you guys have saved. I'd love to see any pictures anyone has of FSP block 2's in use for some inspiration. Just bought a RIS II FSP, complete upper, and having braceman engrave an 80% for me right now. Basically just need optic and light. Leaning towards red dot and possibly magnifier.. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 12:27:48 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013:
No problems here. I ordered my sling mounts Friday last week and they got here yesterday. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee270/speedstar13/E1A3A87C-0C77-4717-88DD-9C6100BB3CA2.jpg 
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Posted: 5/13/2017 8:34:53 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Mmmmmm purple ano. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Dobs013:
No problems here. I ordered my sling mounts Friday last week and they got here yesterday. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee270/speedstar13/E1A3A87C-0C77-4717-88DD-9C6100BB3CA2.jpg
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2017 3:34:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ATravis11b]
[#47]
MK18 is DD upper and lower
M4A1 is pure Colt with a gen 1 LMT 
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:10:07 PM EDT
[#48]
sorry for stupid clone question,
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Begin stupid clone question >>> With all the FDE in the Block2, is anyone using something like a Magpul FDE pistol grip? Any basis for this in theater, or is all A2 grips? <<< End of stupid clone question.
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Posted: 5/13/2017 10:16:51 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATravis11b:
MK18 is DD upper and lower |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:49:21 PM EDT
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CQD mounts and VCAS on.
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