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Posted: 7/7/2011 12:07:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot]
So just an introduction to this thread - its purpose is to show off your Block II clone builds; here is a list of some of the common characteristics and equipment that the Block II M4A1s have:
THE Block II Chart (courtesy of Patriot_Man) Barrel: 14.5" M4 or SOCOM contour barrel Flash Hider: KAC NT4 Surefire 4P Suppressors: KAC NT4 Surefire SOCOM RC Rail System: Early Block II M4A1s still used the KAC M4 RIS/RAS DD RIS II in dark earth Vertical grips Tango down battle grip in tan KAC Grip-Pod Rail panels: Tango Down KAC Front sight: KAC flip up in tan standard front sight base (if early Block II with M4 RIS/RAS) Optics: Elcan Specter DR SU-230 EOTech SU-231-PEQ (EOTech 553) EOTech SU-231A-PEQ (EOTech EXPS03) ACOG SU-237 (TA01-ECOS) EOTech/Aimpoint 3x magnifiers IR Lasers: Insight AN/PEQ-15/LA-5 Flashlight: Insight M3 (SU-233/PVS) Insight WMX200 Rear sight: KAC 300m KAC 600m MaTech Buttstock: standard M4 (both older CAR style and newer "LE" style) LMT SOPMOD 
some reference pics  Attached File Attached File
 early block II
 more early Block IIs
Just to reiterate, you don't have to have an EXACT copy of a Block II M4A1 to post your rifle up here, but the purpose is to post pictures of our rifles that we've made specifically to emulate the issue Block II weapon system - if you've got a midlength carbine with an UBR stock that just happens to have a RIS II on it it is likely you did not intend the rifle be a "clone" of the newest generation M4A1, and probably doesn't belong in this picture thread. Rifles that have no Block II components ie standard M4geries with Block I Optics do not embody the purpose of this thread and though they are nice weapons in their own right, shouldn't be posted in this thread to avoid unnecessary clutter. Originally Posted By Augee: The easiest visual discriminator of whether you're looking at a SOPMOD equipped M4A1 or an MWS M4 is usually the identity of who is holding it. If it's a SOF troop, it's probably a SOPMOD M4[A1]. If it's a conventional troop, it's probably an M4 MWS. SOPMOD = SOF MWS = Conventional The SOPMOD program was initially fielded in 1996, and the two have not significantly converged or crossed over at all since then, and there is almost no commonality between systems used in the two. They are separate lines of development and evolution managed by two totally different components (Army and Navy). SOPMOD is run by NSWC-Crane to equip SOF M4A1 Carbines with accessories. There are two distinct "blocks" as identified by NSWC-Crane PowerPoints as the primary source of information, however, there was a "transitional period" of several years in which carbines with items from both blocks were used. Because of a PowerPoint slide that was published (IIRC?) 2006 showing a block labeled "phased replacement," it has become the colloquial term for "transitional" configurations. "Block x" does NOT refer, in an "official" sense to a specific configuration of rifle. It refers to specific modifications (read accessories) to the SOF M4A1 weapon system that are managed by Crane. Colloquially we refer to M4A1s with accessories from the first block of the SOPMOD program as "Block 1," while using "Block 2" to describe carbines with the RIS II, one of the last components of the second block of the SOPMOD program to be fielded. Carbines with the accessories/features of both blocks of the SOPMOD program, but without the RIS II, we refer to as "Phased Replacement." It is important to note, however, that this colloquial classification is generally limited to this thread, and others both here and on other sites that feed off of it. The important thing to understand is that the SOPMOD program is almost always limited to SOF only, and 99% of the time, the "actual" weapon in question will be an M4A1, not an M4. The M4 is a conventional forces weapon system, and is totally separate from the SOPMOD program and SOF modifications, though they were "inspired" by the SOPMOD program, almost every single actual item is different. The M4 is managed by the Army overall through TACOM, though the Marine Corps also manages their own programs through their own directorates for their specific incarnation of the M4. The M4 is a conventional forces platform, and is upgraded through modular weapon system (MWS) upgrades. There are no specific blocks, increments, or generations, and their specifics vary by time period, unit, and MTOE. ~Augee |
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Posted: 4/14/2017 8:55:28 PM EDT
[#1]
GDI is really nice. You can mount the acog forward or aft depending on the holes used, and it clears a kac buis no prob. Lean also makes a spacer if you need some extra height.
I run a GDI on both my ta31 and ta33. Both are rock solid and built like tanks. |
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Posted: 4/14/2017 9:47:36 PM EDT
[#2]
M lock now block II kosher? Any idea what rail is on that m4 ? Definitely looks like mlock.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2017 8:07:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Yankeefoxtrot]
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Posted: 4/15/2017 9:28:11 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bjohnson425:
M lock now block II kosher? Any idea what rail is on that m4 ? Definitely looks like mlock. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/351853/Screenshot-2017-04-14-21-44-09-1-187563.JPG |
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Posted: 4/15/2017 10:28:47 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mb121:
That appears to be a 416 and not a Block II. IIRC Remington made a 416 rail. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2017 10:42:21 AM EDT
[#6]
Well GDI mount it is
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IA, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:30:43 AM EDT
[#7]
Haven't had my GDI mount for long, but it feels sturdy AF... and for $40
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:46:14 AM EDT
[#8]
peq came in, not at all front heavy
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Posted: 4/18/2017 12:14:28 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dalynchmob:
Haven't had my GDI mount for long, but it feels sturdy AF... and for $40
http://i67.tinypic.com/eqp7ys.png I've used the standard stock ACOG mounts, ADM QD mounts, Larue QD mounts, and the GDI mount... for the money you can find them for from Botach, GDI mounts are hard to beat and return to zero just fine. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2017 7:37:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: aaron580]
[#10]
Quote HistoryIs that a clone of the rifle in that youtube video of the guys on the hill behind the bank? 2.5-10?
2 sf4p's and an ris fde fsp on the way.... |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 7:50:43 PM EDT
[#11]
got a DD mk18 pistol and just got bit with a block 2 clone bug hard... unexpectedly; thats project 3 for me
this thread is an amazing resource... but I also had another question that fits into the clone realm... project 2 FBI HRT. I have the geissele rail, 10in mk4 from the contract. I beleive they run 11.5in guns. anyone have any specs for a FBI HRT clone? (project 1 is my 308 PRS gun... its expensive) |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 8:50:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SEAMONSTAH]
[#12]
Originally Posted By aaron580:
Is that a clone of the rifle in that youtube video of the guys on the hill behind the bank? 2.5-10? 2 sf4p's and an ris fde fsp on the way.... Would need an offset t1 and a bunch of magpul rail covers to be a clone of that specific rifle. Tried the offset t1 for a little while, was not a fan. 
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2017 8:55:27 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SEAMONSTAH:
Not exactly, but that video is my justification for the 2.5-10x24 Would need an offset t1 and a bunch of magpul rail covers to be a clone of that specific rifle. Tried the offset t1 for a little while, was not a fan. http://i.imgur.com/bV1dXfD.jpg |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:04:42 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Gotcha. Ive been thinking of an elcan on a block 2 but im not a huge fan of the 2.5-10 on the mk12 so thinking of moving it over to the ii and running more magnificaton on it. Any video or pic of the 2.5-10x24 on a block 2 fsp? |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:26:24 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SEAMONSTAH:
I think that one video is the only time I've seen the NF on a block II, otherwise you see leupold's and kahles when it comes to variables.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:32:26 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Kahles? Really? Im learning the block 2 game, but ive not seen one pic/ video of a kahles.... i kinda dont wanna use the fsp rail, anybody wanna trade this unopened fsp fde for a non fsp fde?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 2:00:12 AM EDT
[#17]
Where's that guy that always talks bad about Bobro?
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Posted: 4/19/2017 5:04:08 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SEAMONSTAH:
I think that one video is the only time I've seen the NF on a block II, otherwise you see leupold's and kahles when it comes to variables.  2015 Ranger Rendezvous Stress Shoot NF optic during this video as well |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 6:52:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: carmodyh]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DKamps:
got a DD mk18 pistol and just got bit with a block 2 clone bug hard... unexpectedly; thats project 3 for me this thread is an amazing resource... but I also had another question that fits into the clone realm... project 2 FBI HRT. I have the geissele rail, 10in mk4 from the contract. I beleive they run 11.5in guns. anyone have any specs for a FBI HRT clone? (project 1 is my 308 PRS gun... its expensive) to mention at least something about MK18s, before the FBI HRT switched over to HK416s, one would see pictures and videos of them running what looked to be 10.3 inch MK18s wearing PEQs and Eotech 552s, I would speculate because the HRT works alongside .mil teams overseas and cross trains with military teams as well that there would be some bleed over in equipment and weapons. Quite frankly, an FBI HRT shooter looks pretty much like a DEVGRU or CAG guy minus the beard and sleeve tats these days. this is an old screen cap of an FBI HRT recruiting video from about 8 years ago. MK18ish gun with BE Myers flash hider, Eotech, and ATPIAL EDIT: My bad, forgot this is the Block II thread not the MK18 thread...  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 1:51:00 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mb121:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9YtUGMubAE
NF optic during this video as well |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2017 3:25:36 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/262192/29094093322-23abca3953-b-190472.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By aaron580:
Kahles? Really? Im learning the block 2 game, but ive not seen one pic/ video of a kahles.... i kinda dont wanna use the fsp rail, anybody wanna trade this unopened fsp fde for a non fsp fde? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2017 3:28:54 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mb121:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9YtUGMubAE
NF optic during this video as well Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mb121:
Originally Posted By SEAMONSTAH:
I think that one video is the only time I've seen the NF on a block II, otherwise you see leupold's and kahles when it comes to variables. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9YtUGMubAE
NF optic during this video as well |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2017 11:40:18 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2017 1:48:15 PM EDT
[#24]
Swapped in a colt 4 position receiver extension and got a colt ambi-safety off the ee. Hopefully I'll get a pass on the end plate for now....I still need to get a cqd. I'm planning on picking an acog up from a buddy in a few weeks.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2017 1:51:43 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bjohnson425:
M lock now block II kosher? Any idea what rail is on that m4 ? Definitely looks like mlock. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/351853/Screenshot-2017-04-14-21-44-09-1-187563.JPG |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2017 1:56:10 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013:
Swapped in a colt 4 position receiver extension and got a colt ambi-safety off the ee. Hopefully I'll get a pass on the end plate for now....I still need to get a cqd. I'm planning on picking an acog up from a buddy in a few weeks. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee270/speedstar13/IMG_1319.jpg I think that's a specialized Armament one. The Colt ambi safety has a short right side lever. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 2:01:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dobs013]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joglee:
I don't think that's a Colt ambi safety. I think that's a specialized Armament one. The Colt ambi safety has a short right side lever. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By Dobs013:
Swapped in a colt 4 position receiver extension and got a colt ambi-safety off the ee. Hopefully I'll get a pass on the end plate for now....I still need to get a cqd. I'm planning on picking an acog up from a buddy in a few weeks. http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee270/speedstar13/IMG_1319.jpg I think that's a specialized Armament one. The Colt ambi safety has a short right side lever. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2017 4:28:23 PM EDT
[#28]
Who doesn't like more pictures.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:33:55 PM EDT
[#29]
Starting the block 2 game full throttle
 , and i have less than you think invested in all this. Is the dark shit colored dd rails the ones that people want or lighter? Just removed this one from a sealed silver bag for pic.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:42:52 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Starting the block 2 game full throttle , and i have less than you think invested in all this. Is the dark shit colored dd rails the ones that people want or lighter? Just removed this one from a sealed silver bag for pic.
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k547/gadgetguy799/Guns/20170420_175015_zps9j0si7gn.jpg |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:14:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By INFIDELSF85:
There is no lighter, there is black and there is DD doo doo FDE color. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:58:08 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
It seems some people make a big deal over a lighter anodizing vs darker of the fde, so thats where i get the shades question from. Ive noticed this quite a bit on the kac 99051 sightsas well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Originally Posted By INFIDELSF85:
There is no lighter, there is black and there is DD doo doo FDE color. 
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Posted: 4/21/2017 8:19:41 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
It seems some people make a big deal over a lighter anodizing vs darker of the fde, so thats where i get the shades question from. Ive noticed this quite a bit on the kac 99051 sightsas well. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2017 3:43:59 PM EDT
[#34]
Will a KAC micro buis front sight post fit in a KAC 99051?
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Posted: 4/21/2017 4:09:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2:
Will a KAC micro buis front sight post fit in a KAC 99051? |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2017 11:30:13 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
No. Both are proprietary but you could probably mod a standard front sight post to fit in the non micro front BUIS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By 762hunter2:
Will a KAC micro buis front sight post fit in a KAC 99051? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2017 5:04:26 PM EDT
[#37]
Block1 and Block2
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2017 7:18:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: joglee]
[#38]
No idea who these guys are. Looks legit though.
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2017 7:35:16 PM EDT
[#39]
MARSOC Block 2 which I guess isn't technically a Block 2.
Anyone have any idea of what red dot and mount he's running? J-point, insight mrds, RMR? 
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Posted: 4/22/2017 7:35:34 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joglee:
No idea who these guys are. Looks legit though. http://i.imgur.com/GGqCf8v.jpg 
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2017 7:42:45 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StealthGuy:
It's legit. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a6/b7/0d/a6b70db2c46b7466ca7db0c15fa91360.jpg |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2017 7:46:13 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2:
Delta with 416's and Geissele rails? I use my phone's zoom on max brightness and it's def a RIS II. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2017 7:55:10 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joglee:
The guys on the left def have M4A1s. I use my phone's zoom on max brightness and it's def a RIS II. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2017 8:36:05 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2:
MARSOC Block 2 which I guess isn't technically a Block 2. Anyone have any idea of what red dot and mount he's running? J-point, insight mrds, RMR? http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u613/SKSh762hunter/IMG_0466_zpsexbt8zd7.jpeg 
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Posted: 4/22/2017 8:38:01 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2:
Delta with 416's and Geissele rails? |
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Posted: 4/22/2017 8:48:19 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StealthGuy:
It's legit. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a6/b7/0d/a6b70db2c46b7466ca7db0c15fa91360.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StealthGuy:
Originally Posted By joglee:
No idea who these guys are. Looks legit though. http://i.imgur.com/GGqCf8v.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a6/b7/0d/a6b70db2c46b7466ca7db0c15fa91360.jpg
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Posted: 4/22/2017 8:59:48 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2:
MARSOC Block 2 which I guess isn't technically a Block 2. Anyone have any idea of what red dot and mount he's running? J-point, insight mrds, RMR? http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u613/SKSh762hunter/IMG_0466_zpsexbt8zd7.jpeg I don't see how an offset MRDS would fit in that location with a typical ACOG mount. |
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Posted: 4/22/2017 9:28:34 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 762hunter2:
Well yea, but the guys on the right have 416's with Geissele rails which is a setup delta has been seen running. Guys on left could be delta or training with delta |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2017 9:42:27 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex:
Are you talking "offset" of the ACOG? If so, that looks more like the Tenebraex kill flash for the ACOG; I think I can see the rubber band holding it on n the zoomed pic. I don't see how an offset MRDS would fit in that location with a typical ACOG mount. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex:
Originally Posted By 762hunter2:
MARSOC Block 2 which I guess isn't technically a Block 2. Anyone have any idea of what red dot and mount he's running? J-point, insight mrds, RMR? http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u613/SKSh762hunter/IMG_0466_zpsexbt8zd7.jpeg I don't see how an offset MRDS would fit in that location with a typical ACOG mount. Ooooh I see that now. Looked like a setup too good to be true |
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Posted: 4/22/2017 9:46:02 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K_weez:
The guys on the left are French I believe. |
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