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Posted: 4/19/2008 3:03:32 PM EDT
[#1]
I'm not going to read all the previous pages but rather just jump in.
Currently I have 6 Bushmasters and 2 Colt 6920. In the past 20 or so years I have owned 3 or 4 other Colts and 3 or 4 other Bushys. I have shot IPSC 3 gun since the mid 80's before IPSC sanctioned it and I have shot many many thousands of rounds through the rifles. In my limited personal hands on experience, I have had no better service with the Colts than the Bushmasters. I have never had the plastic bottom thing on the trigger pose a problem, I have never experienced anything that would remotely be caused because of the lack of M4 feedramps, I have never had a barrel burst, a bolt fail or the the staked bolt come loose. I have had a Colt FCG fail in a match. I realise this is not scientific, but neither is this rant of Internet folklore. I like my Colts just fine. I also like my Bushmasters, they are what I shoot day-in/day-out, and they are good to go in my book. I'm not suggesting that no one has had problems with Bushys, but as I am sure someone has pointed out, the shear numbers of Bushmasters in the market dictates that more of them will show up simply because of their numbers, even if they had the exact same fault rate as Colt or anyone else. Bill |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 3:07:01 PM EDT
[#2]
under new management  They were and are great, I havent had any problems. Their shipping charges are still insane. They do make a good rifle though. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 3:21:23 PM EDT
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Numbers I don't have access to and evidence that is unnecessary to meet the necessary standard. Is photographic evidence heresay? Click on the link and see for yourself. As it is, your mind is made up, no need to bother you with facts. No matter the quality of evidence you are presented, you will simply move the goalpost further rather than admit you were in error. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 3:49:51 PM EDT
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Not here say, but you failed to lay the proper predicate. Are you two lawyers are just pretending? For what its worth - of my 4 AR's one is a BM and it's my KISS go to. 100% reliable so far. State Bar of Texas member since 2004 24043*** |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:16:27 PM EDT
[#5]
And that is anecdote. The plural of anecdote is not data. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:31:28 PM EDT
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Actually, the plural of anecdote is anecdotes or anecdota. Keep humping your thesaurus and dictionary, and maybe people will stop buying Bushmasters. How much is Colt paying you for this crap? |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:41:27 PM EDT
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How much are your paid for your ad-homenim attack? Less than that I am by Colt for sure, they are my pimp daddies! Yesiree bob! They back up a Brinks truck to my garage every monday! |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:42:33 PM EDT
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Did i come in at a wrong time ?.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:43:03 PM EDT
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Is there ever a right time?
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:47:52 PM EDT
[#10]
Okay, so you admit being a dictionary humper AND a COMPENSATED Colt agent. Thank you and good night. 
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:48:21 PM EDT
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beats me but i see no use arguing over such a small detail.I mean you could be wrong. lol
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:49:19 PM EDT
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And if my grandmother had wheels, she would be a wagon too! |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:50:43 PM EDT
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You will never make enough commission from Bushmaster to afford a Thesarus with that attitude. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:55:59 PM EDT
[#14]
Only the weakest orators hide defeat in cliche's. Nice exit. Have fun with your grandmother AND her wagon.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:56:41 PM EDT
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Well i bet he makes more commission than you think but he does support a good reliable product.However i'm not saying colt is bad you undertand.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:57:43 PM EDT
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If you compare close to the same price for a RRA the RRA gives you: two-stage trigger and dual heat shield handguards (entry tactical model).
I think those are worth it. I've bought Bushy before, and won't again. They never gave me any functional problems, worked 100%, but I'd rather have a nicer trigger and dual heat shields. The Bushy finish was also crap. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 4:58:38 PM EDT
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 [drevil]riiiggghhhttt......[/drevil]Don't confuse a time-tested truism for a weak rhetorical device counsellor! |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:01:16 PM EDT
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I had a colt once and liked it but i'll probably never have another,i'm looking at the bushmaster line now.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:02:29 PM EDT
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PANIC TYPE................PANIC TYPE.................I'll be here all week. 
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:05:29 PM EDT
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Hmmm,didnt the colt have a lot of problems in the past ?. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:18:38 PM EDT
[#21]
If anyone hates their Bushmaster, please sent them my way and I will find them a nice, warm home.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:22:50 PM EDT
[#22]
You mean 40 plus year ago after the Army changed the powder and did not tell Colt. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:24:52 PM EDT
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The Colt numbers exclude the monthly production of 7,000 to 8,000 M4 Carbines, and many M16's built and sold by the same plant, and all the rifles built at their Canadian plant. Annual would be over 100,000. Not sure if this changes your premise, as I also believe many BM 'quality issues' are internet embelishment. Not to say they didn't move a lot of canted FSB's, guns without feedramps, weak or absent staking on carrier keys, etc. They did. Ironically, those problems could be fixed in 2 days if they wanted to. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:32:00 PM EDT
[#24]
exactly. I was saying that these were civy not mil contract weapons. strictly talking civilian weapons here. not muddying the waters further by including mil contract weapons we dont know about possible issues. colt misses things too.. the point is some take an elitist attitude toward anything that is'nt colt. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:32:00 PM EDT
[#25]
Well this last page of posts have sure been interesting...
I think it boils down to personal preference... 
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:35:53 PM EDT
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Why should the army tell colt ?,those rifles were in use and not new ones from colt.They had been in service for a few years .Blame the army,blame colt but they still failed and that was a shame to our troops. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:37:57 PM EDT
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Yep |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:39:47 PM EDT
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They might miss a carrier key every blue moon but they dont put out tens of thousands with insuffifient staking over a 15 year peroid and not correct their process like Bushmaster has done. This tells me they aren't even trying. Of course Colt misses things, it is just they miss less by an order of magnitude because they actually have an active QA/QC program designed to catch problems. You find more problems if you actually look for them. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:43:04 PM EDT
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It would have been nice if the Army had consulted Colt before they changed the powder away from the one specified in the design of the wepon. How can Colt be to blame for changes it did not authorize? Is Honda to blame if you decide to run 10W-40 in a motor designed to use 5W-20 and it ruins the engine? |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:44:30 PM EDT
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10'sof thousands is something you'll have to prove. no way you can substanciate this. they must be going out of business because of all the returns. give some hard data or it's just more internet embelishment. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:46:41 PM EDT
[#31]
I have yet to see a single Bushmaster carrier that was sufficiently staked from the factory. In the past 15 years, not one in untold examples observed.
What are the odds my experience is not representative? |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:49:34 PM EDT
[#32]
since we don't how many bushmasters you have personally inspected and documented.it can't just be taken at face value at this point. since you've shown that you will defend colt to the end and bash bushmaster in the same breath. bias anyone.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:50:49 PM EDT
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yea,colt really did some back peddeling on that one,i dont think colt specified it had to be a "certain" brand of powder.Lots went on about all the blaming,the army could of used a different powder but they wernt told it had to be a certain kind of powder.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:51:44 PM EDT
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The crap finish you mention is what put the bad taste in my mouth.. I bought DPMS, was finished MUCH nicer inside and out. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:52:06 PM EDT
[#35]
I am not defending Colt, I am defending their process, which Bushmaster apparently lacks. As far as your calls of bias, Pot, meet Kettle. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:53:57 PM EDT
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They were told it was a certain spec IMR powder as Armalite designed the rifle for. Read the interview with Jim Sullivan in this months Small Arms Review for more info. He ought to know as he co-designed it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:55:58 PM EDT
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Well........I've seen tens of "bazillions and zitzions to the google plex power time two" that were done properly, my dad is bigger than your dad, etc.............What does "this" tell you oh wise Stoner Sage?........Don't buy a BM HeavyMetal.....be happy with what you have. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:58:05 PM EDT
[#38]
And don't try to argue to me that a rifle built with insufficient QA/QC is just as good as one that is. PS, why do you think I do not own a BM? |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 5:59:52 PM EDT
[#39]
sure sound like you're defending them here. I haven't bashed colt at all I simply point out that they do turn out a lemon just like everyone else. another question to ask is how many of the recent colts are safe queens? I've seen countless post asking how much is my colt worth? Is this the original box. etc. they only thing that comes close to the blind loyalty of the colt people is that of the glock people. ( i have 3 of them btw) but I do not have that kind of fanaticism. we get it you are proud of your colt. good for you. enjoy it. but at the end of the dayit's still item made by imperfect people. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:03:29 PM EDT
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When Bushmaster is right, I will defend them. When Colt is right, I will defend them. I only care about what is true, I could care less about whos rollmark is on it. LMT, BCM, Noveske and Sabre also make excellent AR's and they do so because they maintain a higher standard. I put those above Bushmaster. Bushmaster is always free to improve its QA/QC and join them anytime it likes. I sincerely hope it does. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:09:56 PM EDT
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Why don't we think YOU own a Bushmaster...........
Top 10 reasons Heavy Metal doesn't own a Bushmaster: 10. He can't afford one. 9. He can't pass the background check. 8. Nobody will give him a ride to the "gun" store. 7. The recoil "hurts." 6. He's afraid of snakes. 5. He really wants another pony. 4. He heard it isn't "mil-spec." 3. He's intimidated by anything with the initials B.M. 2. They don't come in pink. 1. He's too busy parroting unsubstantiated bullshit.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:13:31 PM EDT
[#42]
Now how is it you think I can afford a Colt but not a BM? Is it asking too much you make one post where you don't contradict yourself? |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:17:20 PM EDT
[#43]
Who said you had a Colt........other than you of course.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:18:43 PM EDT
[#44]
I still say you are defending colt but all i can see is a pissing match that wont be answered on this post.
Just for my own satisifaction how old are you ?. Not making anything out of your age but i'm just courous. Thanks |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:21:00 PM EDT
[#45]
I bet he's "tens of thousands" of years old. And he's had more Colts than Sam.
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:22:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:24:02 PM EDT
[#47]
Old enough to know how to spell curious. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:27:55 PM EDT
[#48]
But clearly too young to spell "the" and "prefer"............how many feet will fit in your mouth duder?
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:30:21 PM EDT
[#49]
Noob, thats internet haxor speek, you just ain't 1337 enough to get it. |
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Posted: 4/19/2008 6:35:33 PM EDT
[#50]
Illiterate.........whatever makes you feel better.
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