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Posted: 7/27/2005 10:42:52 PM EDT
Dedicated to Da Vinger.
 We cleared out the conversions we had on hand this weekend. The guys from Grenadier Precision came up and pitched in to get the job done, shoot some weapons, and prepare weapons for a very important demo and delivery. Note the LW 6.8 SPC K-P and Grenadier Precision rails. Pictures courtesy of the guys from Grenadier Precision.    The following is a picture of our precision fixture for drilling and reaming the taper pin holes while having perfect 12 o'clock timing. No chance here for FSB cant.   The following is the upper receiver reaming operation, also, perfect alignment is ensured by the floating fixture.  "..the 44 magnum...the most powerful handgun in the world. It will take your head clean off.." Sorry clint. The .499 BFR will take your torso clean off.        48th Highlander of Grenadier Precision trying to appear tough.   LW enhanced bolt. This one is a .499. Note there is no undercut on the lugs on either side of the extractor unlike conventional bolts or other enhanced bolts. Also manufactured from stainless steel. Extractor lip has 100% contact with the cartridge rim unlike conventional extractors. It also uses a dual spring set up, eliminating extractor problems.   Another example of the lugs having no undercut.    Full auto burst during test fire of customer conversions and new build. MR. JG of Grenadier precision.  Mr. JG doing an auto mag dump out of the 499KP wearing the Grenadier Precision rail.  Hope you enjoyed the pictures.  |
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Posted: 7/27/2005 10:50:49 PM EDT
[#1]
I want a .499
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Posted: 7/27/2005 10:51:54 PM EDT
[#2]
Good now start selling complete uppers, especially that SBR one
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Posted: 7/27/2005 10:53:42 PM EDT
[#3]
cool...you got a fun switch
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Posted: 7/27/2005 10:59:03 PM EDT
[#4]
We have built all the new uppers (K-P's) this weekend. All the K-P's ordered with the GP rails will be shipped this week. We maximized our time with the boys from GP and built only those with rails. The rest will be built shortly.
Our new parkerizing room is being finished this week so we can park the C-P barrels. We were tired of dependence on outside vendors for phosphating. They did come phosphated but the manufacturer did not phosphate under the FSB which is unacceptable. |
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Posted: 7/27/2005 11:26:40 PM EDT
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I almost thought that you guys forgot about me. My conversion has been done for a while and was just waiting for the Grenadier rail and ACB. In fact, I see it in the pic.
Job well done! You guys are going to eventually get me in trouble. I feel my wallet burning.
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Posted: 7/28/2005 1:56:30 AM EDT
[#6]
Hah! That's all just special effects and stage props. You raided the local Airsoft shoppe and took all they in stock.....we know.
You guys have to lay off the L-W Kool Aid....there is no such thing as a .499LWR 12" SBR with a happy switch. No....and you can't have mine. |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 2:32:13 AM EDT
[#7]
Now that is how you spam a technical forum! You actually include technical detail.
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Posted: 7/28/2005 4:51:10 AM EDT
[#8]
Thanks Tweak, we read the rules, only way to play. |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 5:06:38 AM EDT
[#9]
Tag, tag and more tag. My taper pin hole fixture, which is still in the drawing stage looked close to that one. I may have to go back to the drawing board before I start cutting metal.
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Posted: 7/28/2005 5:13:34 AM EDT
[#10]
If you need any info, let us know. |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 5:18:51 AM EDT
[#11]
There's a lot of shit THAT SHOULD BE BANNED IN THEM THERE PICS.
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Posted: 7/28/2005 5:21:55 AM EDT
[#12]
Just to clarify I thought it was the MRS that was referred to as vaporware... is that the MRS or the GP Rail?
I think everybody who has been following the LW story at all realizes that piston conversions have been being delivered for some time now. |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 5:28:16 AM EDT
[#13]
I was thinking the same thing - specifically cowboy hats being worn in MD! |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 5:28:47 AM EDT
[#14]
Our whole product line has been bashed and doubted at one point or another by somebody somewhere, but you are right that most people are convinced of our gas piston conversions. And to answer your question, those are just gas piston uppers with GP rails on them. |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 5:30:44 AM EDT
[#15]
Everything we build is referred to as vaporware! The MRS is being geared up to compete in forthcoming military bids and for commercial IP reasons, we cannot release pictures or product for a few more weeks. |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 7:02:40 AM EDT
[#16]
ETA till complete uppers are sold to the public? |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 7:21:47 AM EDT
[#17]
MRS uppers, or normal uppers? Standard gas piston uppers have been for sale for a while. Some of the short ones in the pictures are just that. |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 7:40:12 AM EDT
[#18]
I want this whole setup, inventory and all installed into my house!
I don't know, looks like it blew this guys face off just shooting it! Thanks Paul for the pics, info and awesome products! I going to have to find a way to save up for an SBR using one of your MRS 10.5" uppers! BTW I like your lowers, will they be available separately? |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 10:18:56 AM EDT
[#19]
Awesome pics, guys.
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Posted: 7/28/2005 10:29:07 AM EDT
[#20]
Keeps looking better all the time. Maybe a LW SEBR for 2006....
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Posted: 7/28/2005 12:13:09 PM EDT
[#21]
Lowers will be available for sale, expect pricing shortly in our industry forum. |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 4:11:37 PM EDT
[#22]
Paul, Let me know when they go on sale as I need one for my demo rifle. Jesse Grenadier Precision |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 4:14:34 PM EDT
[#23]
Tag.
Added to wish list. Danny
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Posted: 7/28/2005 5:33:57 PM EDT
[#24]
Paul,
How is the T&E by Doc Roberts going? Once the "ballistics gelatin crowd" (nothing derogatory) sees his seal of approval, it's over. Justin |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 9:13:08 PM EDT
[#25]
Dmanit Paul, I got you LaRue and you're running the EOTechs nekkid! *Grrrrrrrrr*
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Posted: 7/28/2005 9:17:30 PM EDT
[#26]
I didnt see any SBR piston uppers for sale on the website |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 9:42:49 PM EDT
[#27]
The website is WAAAY out of date and must be considered to be archival. Paul & Co are mucho busy doing more important stuff like building my vaporware. They would clone Paul but then he would disagree with himself and that would be bad in a room full of NFA stuff. That or they would get on so well that they would get nothign done at all other than mutual admiration.
Anyway....it's all Vaporware, that's why it doesn't appear on the web site. Well actually it does, they're listed under the 5.56 section as the 5.56K-P. Since they are NFA items, it's POA. Simon |
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Posted: 7/28/2005 10:08:24 PM EDT
[#28]
The Monkey's from Milan could sure use one of those
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Posted: 7/28/2005 10:31:42 PM EDT
[#29]
Tag and thanks for the info.
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Posted: 7/28/2005 11:17:24 PM EDT
[#30]
 
Well you got two bonus points, you didn't post something like this: ------------------------ Now in stock ------------------------- and I used "spam" in relation to one of your posts and your lackeys/minions didn't take it upon themselves to attack. Props to your well disciplined minions.  Looking good on your fixturing, I worry that your FSB jig doesn't allow you any latitude in placement of the pin holes, esp their depth into the barrel. Has that been a problem? |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 4:46:27 AM EDT
[#31]
We have exchanged e-mails but nothing has progressed further at this stage. Until we receive specific information, we are unable to forward product for T&E. I would imagine that he is extremely busy at the moment. |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 4:53:23 AM EDT
[#32]
Tweak, The placement of the holes are defined by the TDP and adjustable over a very narrow tolerance range. In terms of depth, there are corresponding holes (these can't be seen in the photos posted) which allow a full depth ream pass through.
The only problems we have faced have been when we correct canted front sights and find that the original pin holes have not been drilled in line with the tolerance range of the TDP in other words, they are either too close together or too far apart. When this occurs, we have a smaller manual set up that allows for a greater adjustment of the guides. |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 7:00:43 AM EDT
[#33]
We used the fixture on already drilled FSB's just to correct or confirm FSB timing. Like Paul said, we had to manually ream those ones. There is no latitude in the fixture for the hole locations. It was designed to drill a new barrel and FSB without the holes.
If the weapon already had taper pins (luckily most didn't) and was severely canted, you are faced with a whole different proposition. There are other ways to align the piston system on a canted FSB, but Paul to his credit did not want these jerry rigged and left with zeroing problems. Those people chose to have their barrels replaced in most cases. I tell you, the variables involved in converting folks stuff was a minor annoyance. Putting together the K-P's from Pauls own stock parts was much easier. |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 7:21:26 AM EDT
[#34]
LW,
I wish I had been at SCSC when you were testing there. I heard about it though  Rich |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 9:39:48 AM EDT
[#35]
I had to run to the airport, so we got some trigger time at the beginning of the test fire. Those guys that were there (with a very nice Mg42 semi auto) didn't look too impressed as 3-4 guys doing mag dumps and bursts into the backstop indiscriminantly pretty much shut down any serious work they were trying to accomplish. Oh well.
I heard Paul let them shoot both the .499 and the 5.56KP. I think one of the guys who practices nose to the charging handle learned that might not be a good idea with the .499 on auto.  The .499 is incredibly controllable and mild, but you must have the butt solid into the sholder as not to absorb the recoil into your face. |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 11:17:50 AM EDT
[#36]
They had 10 mg42s. And yes, I do not recomend shooting the .499 with your nose on the charging handle. That he did it on the first shot is understandable, but when his nose was bleeding after 3 rds, he should have stoped.
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Posted: 7/29/2005 12:07:04 PM EDT
[#37]
No prices, no buy button. Very simply, how do I buy an SBR upper from these people. |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 12:31:59 PM EDT
[#38]
Email me at [email protected]. We work out specifics and such, then when it is built, you pay for it, and the UPS man brings it to you.
ETA: sorry our website sucks worse than anything. We are working on that. |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 12:56:20 PM EDT
[#39]
Mr. L-W, am I correct in assuming that there is no room between the handguards and the float tube of a NM upper to install your piston/cylinder set?
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Posted: 7/29/2005 1:26:35 PM EDT
[#40]
What exactly do you mean when you say "free floating the fixture?"
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Posted: 7/29/2005 1:48:06 PM EDT
[#41]
tag
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Posted: 7/29/2005 3:07:46 PM EDT
[#42]
That is what I understand.
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Posted: 7/29/2005 3:18:17 PM EDT
[#43]
 I think I know what I'm getting myself for Christmas
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Posted: 7/29/2005 3:54:52 PM EDT
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Why the fuck won't the first goddamned page of this thread load for me? I've tried twice and it's taken so long BOTH times that it kicked me off line. WTF?!?!?!
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Posted: 7/29/2005 5:00:36 PM EDT
[#45]
Wow!
Just WoW!! Thanks for sharing! |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 5:14:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Due to the fact that many of the aftermarket AR producers do not have access to or follow the tolerances set-forth by the Colt TDP it was important to develop a fixture to hold the upper receiver in true vertical while it is being drilled and reamed for the pressed in bushing. The free floating fixture allows these out of spec. uppers to still be used. |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 6:21:21 PM EDT
[#47]
When I referred to a floating fixture, I was referring to the receiver reaming fixture. note the fixture is in the vice jaws of the mill but the vice jaws are not actually contacting the fixture. It is really just sitting on the mill table. If you use a hole as a guide and want to ream it so the reamer is dead center in the hole, you use a floating fixture. That way if for some reason the reamer enters the pilot hole (which is in this case, the gas tube hole) off center, the fixture will move and the reamer will find the center of the hole. If it was clamped tightly in the vice jaws, and the reamer hit the hole off center, you may create an oblong hole or an off center hole. It was designed to just sit on the mill table. Kevin puts it in the jaws just sitting between them incase the mill grabs something and violently spins it. It has plenty of room to move but will not run haywire if something went wrong.
This is a new way of thinking in the machining world. Dave Luke LW's engineer is fond of such fixtures, and I must say they work well. You could use that fixture with a drill press and still have pretty tight tolerences. |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 6:26:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Lots of large pics ABNAK. You need high speed internet! |
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Posted: 7/29/2005 6:34:14 PM EDT
[#49]
Abnak if you want to run with the big dogs you got to pay the bones.
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Posted: 7/29/2005 6:44:56 PM EDT
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