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Posted: 2/23/2015 2:23:25 PM EDT
$0.60 cents per round plus shipping. No thanks.
Been able to buy it locally for $0.39 cents per round plus tax. |
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got their "back in stock" email,
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Been able to buy it locally for $0.39 cents per round plus tax. View Quote If can buy it at that price then get it, right now its a huge gamble for stores to order more of this since they run the risk of having a product on hand that they can't sell once the ban goes into effect. Soon it will be at the point where there is high demand and almost no supply. |
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Supply vs. Demand. Simple economics. At least they arnt pulling a CTD......
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I don't think the proposed ban will affect their stock on hand. Right now they are gouging like others have done in the past but I suspect PSA will get a pass.
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If can buy it at that price then get it, right now its a huge gamble for stores to order more of this since they run the risk of having a product on hand that they can't sell once the ban goes into effect. Soon it will be at the point where there is high demand and almost no supply. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Been able to buy it locally for $0.39 cents per round plus tax. If can buy it at that price then get it, right now its a huge gamble for stores to order more of this since they run the risk of having a product on hand that they can't sell once the ban goes into effect. Soon it will be at the point where there is high demand and almost no supply. I get that. However, it's been my personal position that if I can't buy M855 for regular pre-panic pricing, then I'll simply pass. This is just my opinion, but M855 isn't worth panic pricing. For one, It's not officially banned, yet, and two, there will still be plenty of M193 ammo. M193 can do just about everything M855 can do, some say better. So why be racked over the coals? Imagine if everybody refused to pay panic pricing? What do you suppose would happen then? |
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No. Someone is going to buy it for that price. It just wont be me. I'm not paying out the ass for m855. If I'm going to pay a premium price I'm going to get something with a 69gr or 77 gr bullet. m855 is fine when it's cheap, but there is nothing about it that commands a premium of any kind other than the "ban" factor.
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Don't get me wrong though, PSA has done me well in the past with ammo pricing. When I can wait for free shipping on orders over $100 and buy up a bunch of XM193 for $0.32 cents per round, shipped, that makes me appreciative. But it goes both ways, when they jump on the gouging bandwagon, I don't appreciate that.
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PSA is still gouging on 22LR, do you really think they wouldn't do the same thing on 5.56 now that the next panic has started?
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Also, I hope enough people stand up for the 2nd amendment and say something about this proposed M855 ban.
I've done the following three. Let's be united and make some noise, respectfully. https://www.nraila.org/take-action/write-your-lawmakers/stop-batfe/ http://savem855.com/ https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-batfe-banning-xm855-ammunition/XrvVh1cj Also, I shared the above links on my facebook timeline, and gun related facebook pages. |
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Some think the ban is pretty much a done deal. The only thing left to decide is how to deal with the ammo that's already out there.
Quite honestly I agree that 855 isn't anything worth panic buying over. |
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Didn't say anything about an excuse or being silent. Simply telling what i've heard.
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L M A O @ people saying "gouging" like they're buying fuel to leave town for a storm or getting "gouged" buying food as if ammo is a necessity to their life.
Jesus, there should really be an economics 101 in school that teaches people supply vs demand. |
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I just ordered 200rd of THIS XM193I for $73 shipped Not worth it to order the XM855....IMO
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L M A O @ people saying "gouging" like they're buying fuel to leave town for a storm or getting "gouged" buying food as if ammo is a necessity to their life. Jesus, there should really be an economics 101 in school that teaches people supply vs demand. View Quote How about when the "supply" is plentiful? For months upon months the supply chain has been saturated with this stuff. Sales have been slow, overall, on 5.56 ammo. The XM855 I bought locally had been marked-down, twice, and had a nice patina of dust on it. Then almost overnight, some, sources marked the stuff up 20%, 30%, 40%. Can you blame them? That's business for you; nature of the beast. However, the local shops that sold it with the marked-down price still on it, sold out and have an appreciative customer base. The local shops who marked the stuff up, way up, are still sitting on it and have left a sour taste in the mouths of some consumers. At first, the "sell it for less" approach was a laughing stock of a business model. Today, most of us know differently. |
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How about when the "supply" is plentiful? For months upon months the supply chain has been saturated with this stuff. Sales have been slow, overall, on 5.56 ammo. The XM855 I bought locally had been marked-down, twice, and had a nice patina of dust on it. Then almost overnight, some, sources marked the stuff up 20%, 30%, 40%. Can you blame them? That's business for you; nature of the beast. However, the local shops that sold it with the marked-down price still on it, sold out and have an appreciative customer base. The local shops who marked the stuff up, way up, are still sitting on it and have left a sour taste in the mouths of some consumers. At first, the "sell it for less" approach was a laughing stock of a business model. Today, most of us know differently. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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L M A O @ people saying "gouging" like they're buying fuel to leave town for a storm or getting "gouged" buying food as if ammo is a necessity to their life. Jesus, there should really be an economics 101 in school that teaches people supply vs demand. How about when the "supply" is plentiful? For months upon months the supply chain has been saturated with this stuff. Sales have been slow, overall, on 5.56 ammo. The XM855 I bought locally had been marked-down, twice, and had a nice patina of dust on it. Then almost overnight, some, sources marked the stuff up 20%, 30%, 40%. Can you blame them? That's business for you; nature of the beast. However, the local shops that sold it with the marked-down price still on it, sold out and have an appreciative customer base. The local shops who marked the stuff up, way up, are still sitting on it and have left a sour taste in the mouths of some consumers. At first, the "sell it for less" approach was a laughing stock of a business model. Today, most of us know differently. Because now supply isn't as plentiful. Those with low prices sold out rapidly. Those who raised their price may still have some in stock. I don't see how people give retailers shit for operating under the free market. Good lord. |
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If ya don't like the price don't buy it.
I don't even care for SS109/M855, I only liked buying the ZQI at Wal Mart because it was so cheap, so that'll be a piss off. There is no reason I would hoard M855 if it costs more, but I suppose it will become a collectors item. |
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A few weeks ago, I posted this: ATK Sporting Names PSA the 2014 Dealer of the Year
With PSA's "huge inventory expansions and phenomenal sales increases", as noted by ATK, they likely have substantial buying power with ATK, hence their back-in-stock status of American Eagle XM855. I guess, with PSA's enormous success across the board, why the need for mark-ups? Yes, free market, yes, they do what they want, but why? I know it's not the same thing, but I contrast this a bit with Magpul and their Air Lift operations. When a ban or restrictions on magazine capacity was coming down the pike, Magpul did what they could to flood the respective markets with magazines at standard retail price before the bans went into effect. Remember, they also gave away 1,500 magazines for free. In addition, proceeds made on the Air Lift mags went to fund 2nd Amendment legal action. How nice for Magpul given their success, they choose to give back to the community that made them successful. Remember the Oprah question, actually the Bible verse, "to whom much is given, much will be required"? Right! I don't know, I can't speak for PSA and the ways they give back given their success. I just see it as unfortunate that PSA and other successful retailers like them choose exorbitant mark-ups in events like this. Wouldn't it be amazing if they instead used their apparent buying power and success to help flood the market with as much XM855 as they possibly can at a regular affordable price point while making a regular profit margin? I'm not a hater of PSA. I find a lot of deals though them and spend a lot of my money with them. Just asking a question of why? Is that really necessary? |
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PSA can set ammo prices however they like based on whatever criteria they choose. I tend to remember which retailers "gouged" customers a few years ago; as well as which retailers "took care" of their customers.
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PSA can set ammo prices however they like based on whatever criteria they choose. I tend to remember which retailers "gouged" customers a few years ago; as well as which retailers "took care" of their customers. View Quote as do i. eventually they will leave money on the table, if enough folks refuse to spend that on ammo. |
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Good thing some of you aren't business owners... View Quote i get making money is the point. I disagree with the making money at the expense of your client base, or upon the backs of overinflated anti-scare or using scare tactics to your advantage. yes, i know, may not be good for business but some of us have morals, and a consience. |
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i get making money is the point. I disagree with the making money at the expense of your client base, or upon the backs of overinflated anti-scare or using scare tactics to your advantage. yes, i know, may not be good for business but some of us have morals, and a consience. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Good thing some of you aren't business owners... i get making money is the point. I disagree with the making money at the expense of your client base, or upon the backs of overinflated anti-scare or using scare tactics to your advantage. yes, i know, may not be good for business but some of us have morals, and a consience. You're acting like this ammo is food and water that if you don't buy you'll die. Ammo is not a necessity to you - you don't have to buy it. They an charge whatever they want. If tomorrow all Glocks were going to be banned guess what would happen? People would begin buying the hell out of them and the price of them would skyrocket since the supply is diminishing while the demand is increasing. It's really, really not hard to understand the way this stuff works... |
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You're acting like this ammo is food and water that if you don't buy you'll die. Ammo is not a necessity to you - you don't have to buy it. They an charge whatever they want. If tomorrow all Glocks were going to be banned guess what would happen? People would begin buying the hell out of them and the price of them would skyrocket since the supply is diminishing while the demand is increasing. It's really, really not hard to understand the way this stuff works... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Good thing some of you aren't business owners... i get making money is the point. I disagree with the making money at the expense of your client base, or upon the backs of overinflated anti-scare or using scare tactics to your advantage. yes, i know, may not be good for business but some of us have morals, and a consience. You're acting like this ammo is food and water that if you don't buy you'll die. Ammo is not a necessity to you - you don't have to buy it. They an charge whatever they want. If tomorrow all Glocks were going to be banned guess what would happen? People would begin buying the hell out of them and the price of them would skyrocket since the supply is diminishing while the demand is increasing. It's really, really not hard to understand the way this stuff works... This |
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i get making money is the point. I disagree with the making money at the expense of your client base, or upon the backs of overinflated anti-scare or using scare tactics to your advantage. yes, i know, may not be good for business but some of us have morals, and a consience. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Good thing some of you aren't business owners... i get making money is the point. I disagree with the making money at the expense of your client base, or upon the backs of overinflated anti-scare or using scare tactics to your advantage. yes, i know, may not be good for business but some of us have morals, and a consience. As a retailer, isn't all of your money made "at the expense of your clinet base"? |
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You're acting like this ammo is food and water that if you don't buy you'll die. Ammo is not a necessity to you - you don't have to buy it. They an charge whatever they want. If tomorrow all Glocks were going to be banned guess what would happen? People would begin buying the hell out of them and the price of them would skyrocket since the supply is diminishing while the demand is increasing. It's really, really not hard to understand the way this stuff works... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Good thing some of you aren't business owners... i get making money is the point. I disagree with the making money at the expense of your client base, or upon the backs of overinflated anti-scare or using scare tactics to your advantage. yes, i know, may not be good for business but some of us have morals, and a consience. You're acting like this ammo is food and water that if you don't buy you'll die. Ammo is not a necessity to you - you don't have to buy it. They an charge whatever they want. If tomorrow all Glocks were going to be banned guess what would happen? People would begin buying the hell out of them and the price of them would skyrocket since the supply is diminishing while the demand is increasing. It's really, really not hard to understand the way this stuff works... my point is, i view it as a false scare, and thus false inflation of prices, thus gouging. Quoted:
As a retailer, isn't all of your money made "at the expense of your clinet base"? your splitting hairs, i think you knew what i meant. but to answer your question, yes i suppose it its. perhaps i should have stated "at the expense of losing your customer base" |
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my point is, i view it as a false scare, and thus false inflation of prices, thus gouging. your splitting hairs, i think you knew what i meant. but to answer your question, yes i suppose it its. perhaps i should have stated "at the expense of losing your customer base" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Good thing some of you aren't business owners... i get making money is the point. I disagree with the making money at the expense of your client base, or upon the backs of overinflated anti-scare or using scare tactics to your advantage. yes, i know, may not be good for business but some of us have morals, and a consience. You're acting like this ammo is food and water that if you don't buy you'll die. Ammo is not a necessity to you - you don't have to buy it. They an charge whatever they want. If tomorrow all Glocks were going to be banned guess what would happen? People would begin buying the hell out of them and the price of them would skyrocket since the supply is diminishing while the demand is increasing. It's really, really not hard to understand the way this stuff works... my point is, i view it as a false scare, and thus false inflation of prices, thus gouging. Quoted:
As a retailer, isn't all of your money made "at the expense of your clinet base"? your splitting hairs, i think you knew what i meant. but to answer your question, yes i suppose it its. perhaps i should have stated "at the expense of losing your customer base" It really doesn't matter of it's a "false scare" or not. It's not PSA or anyone other companies fault that people are buying the shit out of M855, causing prices to go up. There is literally not a such thing as gouging on items like this. You and everyone else that believes as you do look and sound absolutely ridiculous. |
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Who's more to blame....the retailer that over-prices their product or the customer paying that price to buy it?
Granted, 855 isn't a "high demand" product in my world but that's still a valid question. Personally, I'd be more pissed at the basement dwelling conspiracy theorists that are "panic buying," and in doing so, are supporting the elevated pricing. Could PSA not raise their price? Absolutely, but it's also their perogative to do so if they so choose. It's up to the consumer to let them know how they feel about it and right now, the "consumer" seems to be fine with the price because they're selling it. |
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PSA isn't forcing you to buy anything. If people are stupid enough to buy something during a "panic" buy then so be it.
instead of being mad at the company, be mad at the people who wear tin foil hats causing all of this |
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It really doesn't matter of it's a "false scare" or not. It's not PSA or anyone other companies fault that people are buying the shit out of M855, causing prices to go up. There is literally not a such thing as gouging on items like this. You and everyone else that believes as you do look and sound absolutely ridiculous. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
It really doesn't matter of it's a "false scare" or not. It's not PSA or anyone other companies fault that people are buying the shit out of M855, causing prices to go up. There is literally not a such thing as gouging on items like this. You and everyone else that believes as you do look and sound absolutely ridiculous. If you say so. Personally i stand by my opinion and you can stand by yours. I havent bought the first round since the "scare" has happened of any caliber, really, much less 855. Quoted:
Who's more to blame....the retailer that over-prices their product or the customer paying that price to buy it? Granted, 855 isn't a "high demand" product in my world but that's still a valid question. Personally, I'd be more pissed at the basement dwelling conspiracy theorists that are "panic buying," and in doing so, are supporting the elevated pricing. Could PSA not raise their price? Absolutely, but it's also their perogative to do so if they so choose. It's up to the consumer to let them know how they feel about it and right now, the "consumer" seems to be fine with the price because they're selling it. nor in mine. valid point about the panic buyers, and PSA having the option to raise the price.. however in my mind it makes me even less wanting to buy it. When the 13 scare happened, CTD totally lost all my business for good due to their rediculous pricing on things, and since im such a psa fanboy i'd hate for that to happen with me and PSA too. Quoted:
PSA isn't forcing you to buy anything. If people are stupid enough to buy something during a "panic" buy then so be it. instead of being mad at the company, be mad at the people who wear tin foil hats causing all of this no they are not. I agree if tehy're dumb enough or dont care about money enough to do it, then os be it. its on them and their money. I hate it for those little guys of us that are on strict budgets though that may really want or need itmes that are artificially inflated, which then makes it they cant afford the items. i suppose im alone on my beliefs here, but thats ok too. Im used to being hammered on arfcom. |
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Dude, boo freaking hoo. Are you really crying online about not being able to afford ammo for a HOBBY due to a momentary price increase? Do you not have enough at home to get you through the tough times?
Lack of preparation on your part doesn't make them bad people for having their prices go a long with the market. And I don't even care for PSA anymore. |
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I will interject that the "panic" and "tin foil hat wearing" is well founded. You better believe that the ban on m855 is petty much a done deal. Will I miss m855? Eh, not really. As the price of m855 increases the appeal decreases. As the price of m855 approaches the price of hornady tap and other heavy otm rounds, I'll just buy those instead. If you WANT some m855 simply for the "banned" factor (like buying up those EVIL black talons) then go ahead and buy ya a box while you still can. Otherwise, if you want ammo to shoot then there is better and cheaper ammo available for that. What we all need to start worrying about is not whether or not the govt succeeds in banning a mediocre performing 4 moa cartridge, but whether or not they use that as precedent to start whittling away at all 5.56, .308, and 30-06 because those are "evil death machine military calibers" The fight is not to save m855, the fight is to keep a precedent from being set. As supply dwindles price will continue to increase. You shoulda bought some when it was cheap.
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I can sell hotdogs at a knee high football game for a buck and make a small profit. I can also charge $2.50 and make a killing. Next game, profits may not look so good...and the parents will not be too happy with me either.
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If you say so. Personally i stand by my opinion and you can stand by yours. I havent bought the first round since the "scare" has happened of any caliber, really, much less 855. nor in mine. valid point about the panic buyers, and PSA having the option to raise the price.. however in my mind it makes me even less wanting to buy it. When the 13 scare happened, CTD totally lost all my business for good due to their rediculous pricing on things, and since im such a psa fanboy i'd hate for that to happen with me and PSA too. no they are not. I agree if tehy're dumb enough or dont care about money enough to do it, then os be it. its on them and their money. I hate it for those little guys of us that are on strict budgets though that may really want or need itmes that are artificially inflated, which then makes it they cant afford the items. i suppose im alone on my beliefs here, but thats ok too. Im used to being hammered on arfcom. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It really doesn't matter of it's a "false scare" or not. It's not PSA or anyone other companies fault that people are buying the shit out of M855, causing prices to go up. There is literally not a such thing as gouging on items like this. You and everyone else that believes as you do look and sound absolutely ridiculous. If you say so. Personally i stand by my opinion and you can stand by yours. I havent bought the first round since the "scare" has happened of any caliber, really, much less 855. Quoted:
Who's more to blame....the retailer that over-prices their product or the customer paying that price to buy it? Granted, 855 isn't a "high demand" product in my world but that's still a valid question. Personally, I'd be more pissed at the basement dwelling conspiracy theorists that are "panic buying," and in doing so, are supporting the elevated pricing. Could PSA not raise their price? Absolutely, but it's also their perogative to do so if they so choose. It's up to the consumer to let them know how they feel about it and right now, the "consumer" seems to be fine with the price because they're selling it. nor in mine. valid point about the panic buyers, and PSA having the option to raise the price.. however in my mind it makes me even less wanting to buy it. When the 13 scare happened, CTD totally lost all my business for good due to their rediculous pricing on things, and since im such a psa fanboy i'd hate for that to happen with me and PSA too. Quoted:
PSA isn't forcing you to buy anything. If people are stupid enough to buy something during a "panic" buy then so be it. instead of being mad at the company, be mad at the people who wear tin foil hats causing all of this no they are not. I agree if tehy're dumb enough or dont care about money enough to do it, then os be it. its on them and their money. I hate it for those little guys of us that are on strict budgets though that may really want or need itmes that are artificially inflated, which then makes it they cant afford the items. i suppose im alone on my beliefs here, but thats ok too. Im used to being hammered on arfcom. You're not alone. I guess we're both shocked at PSA's move to jack up the price on ammo. PSA was always seen as a leader in value. They also have stated they will always maintain the lowest prices on ammo. So much for the Walmart of the gun industry. |
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You're not alone. I guess we're both shocked at PSA's move to jack up the price on ammo. PSA was always seen as a leader in value. They also have stated they will always maintain the lowest prices on ammo. So much for the Walmart of the gun industry. View Quote its good to know. :) yea i am saddened, but the trend has been happening for longer than just 855.. it saddens me. it's also why ive been buying from many other vendors of late. |
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You're not alone. I guess we're both shocked at PSA's move to jack up the price on ammo. PSA was always seen as a leader in value. They also have stated they will always maintain the lowest prices on ammo. So much for the Walmart of the gun industry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It really doesn't matter of it's a "false scare" or not. It's not PSA or anyone other companies fault that people are buying the shit out of M855, causing prices to go up. There is literally not a such thing as gouging on items like this. You and everyone else that believes as you do look and sound absolutely ridiculous. If you say so. Personally i stand by my opinion and you can stand by yours. I havent bought the first round since the "scare" has happened of any caliber, really, much less 855. Quoted:
Who's more to blame....the retailer that over-prices their product or the customer paying that price to buy it? Granted, 855 isn't a "high demand" product in my world but that's still a valid question. Personally, I'd be more pissed at the basement dwelling conspiracy theorists that are "panic buying," and in doing so, are supporting the elevated pricing. Could PSA not raise their price? Absolutely, but it's also their perogative to do so if they so choose. It's up to the consumer to let them know how they feel about it and right now, the "consumer" seems to be fine with the price because they're selling it. nor in mine. valid point about the panic buyers, and PSA having the option to raise the price.. however in my mind it makes me even less wanting to buy it. When the 13 scare happened, CTD totally lost all my business for good due to their rediculous pricing on things, and since im such a psa fanboy i'd hate for that to happen with me and PSA too. Quoted:
PSA isn't forcing you to buy anything. If people are stupid enough to buy something during a "panic" buy then so be it. instead of being mad at the company, be mad at the people who wear tin foil hats causing all of this no they are not. I agree if tehy're dumb enough or dont care about money enough to do it, then os be it. its on them and their money. I hate it for those little guys of us that are on strict budgets though that may really want or need itmes that are artificially inflated, which then makes it they cant afford the items. i suppose im alone on my beliefs here, but thats ok too. Im used to being hammered on arfcom. You're not alone. I guess we're both shocked at PSA's move to jack up the price on ammo. PSA was always seen as a leader in value. They also have stated they will always maintain the lowest prices on ammo. So much for the Walmart of the gun industry. Have you seen their prices on 22lr?!?!?!? Obviously Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. WOW!!! There's rose-tinted glasses and then their Fanboy blindfolds. |
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Have you seen their prices on 22lr?!?!?!? Obviously Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. WOW!!! There's rose-tinted glasses and then their Fanboy blindfolds. View Quote yea. ive mentioned that here before many times. i dont buy ammo from psa usually anymore either though, so oh well. Sad that is also trickling into other items as well. |
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Same tired "I cant' believe you guys are charging these prices" thread.... new product to insert...
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I'm really impressed with the position another vendor took. When the BATFE announcement broke, they pulled their entire inventory of M855 and are giving it away for free (by the case) based on participation of those writing to the BATFE.
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I'm really impressed with the position another vendor took. When the BATFE announcement broke, they pulled their entire inventory of M855 and are giving it away for free (by the case) based on participation of those writing to the BATFE. When standing up for the 2nd Amendment transcends profit. View Quote while its not a good business model, that is impressive. PM me that vendor if you dont mind. I'd like to compliment them and their effort. |
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while its not a good business model, that is impressive. PM me that vendor if you dont mind. I'd like to compliment them and their effort. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm really impressed with the position another vendor took. When the BATFE announcement broke, they pulled their entire inventory of M855 and are giving it away for free (by the case) based on participation of those writing to the BATFE. When standing up for the 2nd Amendment transcends profit. while its not a good business model, that is impressive. PM me that vendor if you dont mind. I'd like to compliment them and their effort. Sent! |
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Hoarders will still buy it! Desperate people will buy it, hoarders were prepared and already have enough much like everything those unprepared are those who pay the price. its like credit companies preying upon those who need the stuff the most at the least amount of money. lol |
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