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sadly Umarex stuff (= Walther .22 pistols) isnt that great...crappy looking...crappy feeling...
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I've heard the quality is not that great so I decided to build my own. Here's my version of a Colt .22 (it a 6940 lower with a Spikes dedicated upper) http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k60/brandoneh297/IMG_2397.jpg http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k60/brandoneh297/IMG_2390.jpg I'm with you, here's mine: - Colt M16-A1 lower - Keuhl 5.5" dedicated 22LR upper - Gemtech Hornet 22LR suppressor - Black-Dog mags - SPOT red-dot optic |
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I've heard the quality is not that great so I decided to build my own. Here's my version of a Colt .22 (it a 6940 lower with a Spikes dedicated upper) javascript:indent(); http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k60/brandoneh297/IMG_2397.jpg http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k60/brandoneh297/IMG_2390.jpg I'm with you, here's mine: - Colt M16-A1 lower - Keuhl 5.5" dedicated 22LR upper - Gemtech Hornet 22LR suppressor - Black-Dog mags - SPOT red-dot optic http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk64/drfcolt/m162201.jpg http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk64/drfcolt/m16a102.jpg .....I bet that thing is a TON of fun to shoot! |
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I've heard the quality is not that great so I decided to build my own. Here's my version of a Colt .22 (it a 6940 lower with a Spikes dedicated upper) javascript:indent(); http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k60/brandoneh297/IMG_2397.jpg http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k60/brandoneh297/IMG_2390.jpg I'm with you, here's mine: - Colt M16-A1 lower - Keuhl 5.5" dedicated 22LR upper - Gemtech Hornet 22LR suppressor - Black-Dog mags - SPOT red-dot optic http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk64/drfcolt/m162201.jpg http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk64/drfcolt/m16a102.jpg .....I bet that thing is a TON of fun to shoot! Yea, you can get away with running it about anywhere - very quiet - about all you hear is the action running - no hearing protection needed. I've settled on Winchester DynaPoint ammo - rated high-velocity, but stays sub-sonic in the 5.5" barred, is copper-washed and relatively clean (for 22LR), is consistent, and runs 100% in my set-up. Costs a little more than the cheap stuff, but worth in when used in a machine gun for consistency and clean-up. |
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Thanks for the input fellas. I didn't discount building my own.... but the price gets up there when you buy and upper especially when you want to have its own dedicated lower.
My dealer said he will have one of each on Friday for me to look at. He said off the cuff price for the Colt Umarex is $580. |
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The Colt Umarex is in stock at Onpointfirearms for $521. He has one left.
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Here's one for $850.00.....
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/semi4sale.cgi?read=215903 |
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Here is a thread where a guy bought one here....... http://22tactical.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=974 Can anyone verify that you can only buy Colt mags or what the story is with that? Standard looking 26 round CMMG Mag http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/images/1328-911.jpg Goofy looking 30 round Umarex mag http://www.colt22rimfire.com/uploads/images/accessories/2245102.jpg That mag it comes with is ugly as hell |
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are the mags the same as colt's / dpms's 10rd mags I doubt it. From the pictures, they appear to lack the built in ejector |
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are the mags the same as colt's / dpms's 10rd mags I doubt it. From the pictures, they appear to lack the built in ejector well thats retarded |
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Ok, now that I have some "street cred" with regard to M4 and 22lr fun rifles......here it comes.
That was a totally awesome review |
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Ok, now that I have some "street cred" with regard to M4 and 22lr fun rifles......here it comes.
That was a totally awesome review Best one yet!!!!!!!!! |
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Good job Colt.
Best advertisement Spikes could have asked for. |
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There are three of the railed versions in stock here:
http://sgcusa.com/p3600/Colt-Umarex-22LR-M4-OPS-AR15-Type-Carbine-16%22/product_info.html?osCsid=c346e9fedfc17a917af0bd7e41159ed2 and 30 of the regular ones here: http://sgcusa.com/Rifles-Colt-/-UmarexUSA/c85_230/p3599/Colt-Umarex-22LR-M4-AR15-Type-Carbine-16%22/product_info.html |
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Ok, now that I have some "street cred" with regard to M4 and 22lr fun rifles......here it comes.
That was a totally awesome review Best one yet!!!!!!!!! Yeah, I couldn't decide who was drunker last night; him or me? Cheers |
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put 1000 rounds through one yesterday shot like a champ. it is what it is a 450 dollar gun.
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Good job Colt. Best advertisement Spikes could have asked for. go keep your colt bashing back in AR discussions |
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at about 2500 rounds downrange this weekend still shooting strong . stock is working it way loose though but thats an easy fix. so not really any complaints.
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Quoted: This thing feels and looks (perhaps to the untrained eye) like its M4 counterpart. At the shop we had a Colt M4, a bushmaster, and several other quality AR15 rifles. This thing is ON PAR with that kind of quality.This Colt Umarex ain't your kid brother's plastic airsoft gun. "ON PAR" quality to a Colt M4 I seriously doubt it. It sounds like a gross exaggeration (sales pitch) which leads me to question any of the credibility of this so called "review" We could not take this bad-boy appart. How in the world do you take it down? The thing is so snug we couldn't get the pin out.[/red] As we stood there puzzled..... I recognized that I had to leave to go see a client...... so I couldn't hang out.... we all agreed that the fit was a testament to the quality of the weapon. The chamber, lower, and upper are so snug. WOW, I'm so glad that the fit is perfect because we Colt owners are so concerned with "fit and finish". It's obviously the best way to prove the quality of the weapon Maybe this should be posted in a RRA forum I have NOT purchased one yet. The prices at this shop were $585 for the M4 and $625 for the tripple rail. Two years ago I might have said that "was a bit expensive" but two things now tell me otherwise: 1. This ain't your daddy's pro-gun president and speaker of the house and 2. This thing is of the Colt quality I have come to expect Has does a rifle that is not even made my Colt have the quality you come to expect from them Wow, you sure are a classy guy. I love your attitude! On par? Well, we laid it down right next to these other standard AR15s and I made an assessment. Have you done so? No, you just choose to be a big "internet man" and bash. Not made by Colt? Well their stamp is on it, and even though made by a known airsoft manufacturer Umarex, can it never be to a standard Colt approves of? Are you really asserting that since the factory doesnt have a Colt logo on the exterior walls that it therefore MUST be airsoft crap? Again, I was there with one and compared it. What do you have? Innuendo? Pre-concieived opinion? Perhaps bias? I was skeptical of the quality based on what I knew of Umarex's product line. I was there, and those concerns were overcome. I tell you what, why don't you go find one at a shop and use actual firsthand information to form your opinion.....and then come back and write a review. Then we can actually have a discussion about the new weapon instead of hearing you spew insults. Dissenting opinions are great... when they come from someone with some data and some class. A guy on another board went to a shop, saw one of these, and posted specific things that he liked.... and things that he did not like. He came to the conclusion that he will not buy one. Now there is an opinion and an approach that I can respect. Otherwise you are spewing unfounded accusations. Get some data, have adult discussion. This is how it should work. |
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umarex DOSE NOT make them carl walther does . umarex just imports them.
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i was doughtfull about them at first when our sales rep called. but they really shoot great over 2000 rounds this weekend. the clips load 10 times faster the the bdm mags. really cant find any serious fault with them.
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I must also admit.... I was a bit agitated with the Detroit Red Wings win over the Pittsburgh Penguins myself.... so I cam off a bit harsh as well. My apologies.
About the only unacceptible thing I noticed was the plastic fire selector switch. The proprietary internals didn't bother me as I expected as much since not a 5.56 weapon. The proprietary mags also doesn't bother me as long as evnetually you can get a normal looking magazine. Overall I was impressed with the quality vs. the price. I don't really have interest in a 22lr conversion since I was looking to buy a COMPLETE weapon system and not just a 22lr conversion. At this cost for a complete system I think this is a buy for me. |
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I was looking at these at the gun show in Sharonville, Ohio on Saturday. They look OK for what they are. Interesting to note the price on them. One dealer had them at $695, another dealer was noticeably less. They are NOT on par with a real AR with a dedicated .22 upper. But then, they cost less than buying a real lower and then a Spikes or CMMG or TacSol upper. Personally I am waiting to see the SIG and Smith .22 copies of .223 rifles. Once all there are out there in numbers we will all get a better look at what we can get, plus prices will stabilize once the marketplace gets more saturated and dealers once more have to compete for your dollars.
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Local store has one for $500. I was in there when one of the regular customers pulled it out of the box. The mag does look very large.
I didn't look too closely for fit/finish, but with the guy holding it from a few feet away it was pretty much identical to the ARs they had in stock (when the mag wasn't in place). It does appear to be made by (imported by?) Umarex (somehow connected to Walther in Germany––-but there is Carl Walther Waffenfabrik and Lothar Walther that I am familiar with...not sure which it would be). AFARR |
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Ok i picked up a few of these 22's, one in the plain M4 style and the other being the OPS model, I have numerous other Colt's and have to say the feel on these guns is awesome! I shot the M4 one only a few hundred rounds and its been flawless so far. Ill keep you guys posted and the summer progresses and i put more rounds down range.
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As you can see from my post above, I was a bit skeptical of these.
Local shop got a couple of the M4 version in and these things are pretty nice - I bought one for $565 - traded a basic synthetic-stock/standard-blued-barreled Savage Mark-IIF with a Bushnell 22LR scope and got out the door at $424 - nice little upgrade for me. Haven't fired it yet, but a very solid gun - great finish. Takes a little work to get the take-down pin out the first time, but no real problem. Mags are a little large and the SAFE/FIRE 180-degree thing is a little odd, but I can live with both. I like how the dedicated 22LR barrel is recessed much like my dedicated Keuhl set-up and gives the illusion of a true 14.5" barreled M4, but as a Title-1 gun. Also interesting that the barrel and bolt have the same serial number engraved as the receiver - must be a European thing. Also wondering what the flash-hider thread specs are and when adpaters will be available for suppressor use. Over all a neat little gun that does a nice job of looking like a real M4. Nice job Colt/Walther/UMERAX ....... This will go to the range for semi-auto only days when I don't feel like taking $13K+ of NFA out. |
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Picked one of these up tonight.
Colt M4 OPS in .22 lr A running list of wanted modifications that are not currently on the market: Only two items are plastic... and should be metal. 1. Metal Bolt Release The "fake" bolt release is plastic. It should be made of metal. Someone should get a bad mark on their employment review for that omission. It would be sweet if it would "move" like the standard bolt release even if it doesn't function as a bolt release, so add a small spring whilst you are making the part. 2. Metal Fire Selector The fire selector is plastic. It should be metal. Someone should get a bad mark on their employment review for that omission as well. Other itesm wanted 3. Thread Converter Threaded converter to go from the (M8 x.75) threading on the barrel to standard 1/2"-28 threading. I read somewhere that a converter for another weapon works but doesn't have an appropriate "look". 4. Takedown Pin Mod Modification for takedown pin so it is easier to take down. 5. Standard looking magazine Standard "looking" magazine, I understand it won't hold 30 rounds, that is OK. The current 30 round mag looks like the standard 40 rounder. |
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3. Thread Converter Threaded converter to go from the (insert measurement of Colt barrel) threading on the barrel to standard 1/2"-28 threading. I read somewhere that a converter for another weapon works but doesn't have an appropriate "look". It's M8x.75 ..................... |
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I edited my message, did I show it correctly? Thanks for your help bud. |
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drfcolt, I edited my message, did I show it correctly? Thanks for your help bud. Got the information here: www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=technical-rifles Also, looks like Gemtech is ramping up with some adapters - here's a post I made in the "Suppressors" forum: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=282299 |
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Also interesting that the barrel and bolt have the same serial number engraved as the receiver - must be a European thing.
In Germany, the upper receiver is the part that is considered the actual firearm-not the lower receiver like we are accustomed to here in the US |
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Can you get more specific than that? That criticism seems a bit too innocuous and general.
I fired about 60 rounds out of my Colt M4 OPS 22lr about an hour ago. Remington Golden HP Bullet I purchased some of that Remington brass plated "Golden Bullet 22lr. The action was simply NOT working right at all. I then loaded up the same ammo in my GSG5 and..... same thing. I tooked at the ammo and on almost all the rounds the brass jacket is not secure. The slugs actually wiggle a bit with the slightest pressure! I was going to adjust the bolt speed and try again... but I decided that this ammo is CRAP. Don't buy Remington Golden in 22lr! Federal Copper plated HP My GSG5 and new Colt M4 OPS eat this ammo like popcorn. NO FTF. Good stuff. I will take some photos later. |
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So, is this a colt, Walther or what?
Why would i want this over a dedicated upper? |
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This is manufatured by Walther, with a Colt stamp. Seems to be pretty good quality to me.
I have a 5.56 ALREADY so I did consider a dedicated uper (as you say), taht was an option... but I wanted a complete system myself... not just an upper. This was a lot cheaper than buying a dedicated uper AND purchasing a second lower. |
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I wasn't going to comment, but this thread continues to grow so I'm going to put my $.02 in...
To me Colt's are fighting guns and I wouldn't be caught dead bringing a .22LR to a gun fight. With that being said I think this gun is a complete waste of time and money and does not deserve a Colt stamp. I understand Colt wanting to satisfy the civilian market, but if they really want to do this they should at least manufacture everything in house and maintain "Colt quality"... I'm sorry but just the existence of this gun bugs me... ETA: It's just not a Colt in my opinion... |
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My big issue with this, and this is purely personal, is that i use my .22 upper to practice.
the Black dog mags are near in size and feel to the normal AR mags and are plentiful. The upper uses a standard lower with the big differnece being the bolt hold open. This gun has an odd safety selector among other things. |
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I wasn't going to comment, but this thread continues to grow so I'm going to put my $.02 in... To me Colt's are fighting guns and I wouldn't be caught dead bringing a .22LR to a gun fight. With that being said I think this gun is a complete waste of time and money and does not deserve a Colt stamp. I understand Colt wanting to satisfy the civilian market, but if they really want to do this they should at least manufacture everything in house and maintain "Colt quality"... I'm sorry but just the existence of this gun bugs me... ETA: It's just not a Colt in my opinion... Yea, I sort of felt the same way when I got wind of it. Like you, I have a factory Colt M16 and when I heard Colt/Walther/UMARES, I throught - oh shit!!!!! I have a very reliable Kuehl based 5.5" M16/22 conversion with Black-Dog mags, but don't always want to take $13K+ worth of gun out semi-auto plinking and with the wait times, just didn't feel like SBRing another lower. Was going to get a conventional 16+" dedicated 22LR upper and Title-1 lower and in the mean time my local shop got a couple of the Colt/22's in. Very well built - not cheap at all and feels like the real thing - the fake pins and stuff are sort of odd as are a couple of other things, but I liked it and bought one. Runs great and I can't wait to suppress it after I get my thread-adapter from Gemtech - going to put a bi-lock in it for occasional M4-96D use. Heck, even says: Colt M4 Carbine on the side with the usual Colt pony markings ...... |
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That all makes sense. I totally understand the issue that "Colts are fighting guns" as this is not a fighting gun.
It is somewhat strange, but perhaps that is some of the allure to me. This weapon could be improved by a working bolt release and working forward assist. With those two additons and a "standard" magazine this would be an unparalelled training weapon for only a few hundred bucks. Heck, most collapsible stocks and tri-rails cost almost twice as much as this complete weapon. IT is what it is....and is not for everyone. Like you drfcolt I can't wait for the adapter and try out my suppressor. |
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