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Posted: 9/6/2014 8:49:35 PM EDT
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That's odd, I was just telling someone that to me, felt recoil on my 901 was similar to my 6940's.
I thought it was suprizingly mild for a .308. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 9:04:01 PM EDT
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Are you sure your buffer says "308"?
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Posted: 9/6/2014 11:13:06 PM EDT
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I found it mild. Certainly better than an m1a
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Posted: 9/7/2014 4:50:54 PM EDT
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Yeah, it had .308 stamped on it... I made a video, the shooting portion is towards the end.
Here is a link : Video Skip to 5:12 in video for shooting portion. |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 5:19:12 PM EDT
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It doesn't appear to be that bad in the video...
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Posted: 9/7/2014 5:41:27 PM EDT
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You need to pull that rifle tighter into the meat pocket between your shoulder and chest.
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Posted: 9/7/2014 7:05:34 PM EDT
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You need to pull that rifle tighter into the meat pocket between your shoulder and chest. That might be what it is about half way through the mag I could see that the stock was not being held firmly against the shoulder and I was literally being punched in the Brachial Plexus Tie-in. I felt it the next day as it left me sore in that area of my chest. I will have to get back out and shoot it again. This is my first .308 semi rifle, I have a Remy 700 .308 with a brake, which shoots like a kitten bumping against your leg. |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 7:29:52 PM EDT
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You can fix that when when you stop sticking your left shoulder inside your ear and twisting your arm into weird positions trying to imitate a Costa video.
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Posted: 9/7/2014 11:25:56 PM EDT
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I shot a friends on Friday and now I find myself wanting one. Nice gun and the fact you can use .556 uppers is appealing. I didn't notice any more recoil than any other .308 in pave ever shot. Seemed pretty good to me.
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Posted: 9/7/2014 11:32:08 PM EDT
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You can fix that when when you stop sticking your left shoulder inside your ear and twisting your arm into weird positions trying to imitate a Costa video. What the hell is Costa and what does that have to do with anything....................Damn trolls and useless comments... This is the type of BS that gives forums a bad name and even more specifically AR15.com the worst rep of them all! |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 11:50:52 PM EDT
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You can fix that when when you stop sticking your left shoulder inside your ear and twisting your arm into weird positions trying to imitate a Costa video. I guess all three gun shooters copied Costa? Idiot, Costa copied them for a reason.......... muzzle control! Get lost loser. 
"The support-hand forward grip provides leverage for "driving" the gun from target to target or for shooting at a moving target. It is extremely popular among today's competitive shooters for the advantages it offers when dealing with multiple targets." Article here : NO MENTION OF COSTA IN ARTICLE Jerry learned from COSTA 
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Posted: 9/8/2014 8:28:20 AM EDT
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Lumpy was right . Your right shoulder is 'scrunched up' towards your right ear. This makes that 'meat pocket' I was referring to earlier much smaller. Makes it harder to pull the rifle into, and as a result, makes the felt recoil worse as there is less area to spread the force over.
He was not referring to your left arm placement. You're not shooting a 3gun match, nor are you in combat. Study the pics you posted, and emulate the shooting styles shown. The shooters shown display good recoil management techniques. Your shooting style in the video didn't. Not being ugly, trying to be constructive and answer your question. I believe that Lumpy was also being constructive. |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 2:12:16 PM EDT
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Lumpy was right . Your right shoulder is 'scrunched up' towards your right ear. This makes that 'meat pocket' I was referring to earlier much smaller. Makes it harder to pull the rifle into, and as a result, makes the felt recoil worse as there is less area to spread the force over. He was not referring to your left arm placement. You're not shooting a 3gun match, nor are you in combat. Study the pics you posted, and emulate the shooting styles shown. The shooters shown display good recoil management techniques. Your shooting style in the video didn't. Not being ugly, trying to be constructive and answer your question. I believe that Lumpy was also being constructive. First off I managed the recoil well, I have no problem in recoil management like another person posted above. I was talking about felt/perceived recoil which is different! Furthermore I can not tell how anyone in the photos above manage recoil since it is just a photo. All I can see is how they grip or posture while holding a rifle. I shoot one way and that is the way I shoot, none of the shooters in the photos were shooting 7.62x51 NATO cartridges either. I referenced the previously posted photos because Lumpy was trying to "help" and being facetious at the same time which doesn't help. No need to mention Costa as I was not copying him, that's just how I feel comfortable shooting (It's been working for me for a good while now). It works damn fine on my 5.56, 6.8, 7.62x39, 5.45, and .300blk guns. |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 3:10:06 PM EDT
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I guess all three gun shooters copied Costa? Idiot, Costa copied them for a reason.......... muzzle control! Get lost loser. http://s3.amazonaws.com/ar15com/newsletter/1304/3gun-guide-chris-andersen-rifle.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/Blakely%203-Gun%20-%20July%202012/Blakely3-Gun-July2012-10.jpg http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/P1270803-900x601.jpg http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/330104/file-708405465-jpg/Birdsall_1.jpg?t=1409351529080 "The support-hand forward grip provides leverage for "driving" the gun from target to target or for shooting at a moving target. It is extremely popular among today's competitive shooters for the advantages it offers when dealing with multiple targets." Article here : NO MENTION OF COSTA IN ARTICLE Jerry learned from COSTA http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/miculekvegas1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can fix that when when you stop sticking your left shoulder inside your ear and twisting your arm into weird positions trying to imitate a Costa video. I guess all three gun shooters copied Costa? Idiot, Costa copied them for a reason.......... muzzle control! Get lost loser. http://s3.amazonaws.com/ar15com/newsletter/1304/3gun-guide-chris-andersen-rifle.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/Blakely%203-Gun%20-%20July%202012/Blakely3-Gun-July2012-10.jpg http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/P1270803-900x601.jpg http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/330104/file-708405465-jpg/Birdsall_1.jpg?t=1409351529080 "The support-hand forward grip provides leverage for "driving" the gun from target to target or for shooting at a moving target. It is extremely popular among today's competitive shooters for the advantages it offers when dealing with multiple targets." Article here : NO MENTION OF COSTA IN ARTICLE Jerry learned from COSTA http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/miculekvegas1.jpg Those gentlemen are holding their rifles in a natural position, NOT what the you were doing. This has become a religion discussion and I've now insulted yours, so I will bow out since you have absolutely no desire to have a technical discussion. Good luck figuring out what's wrong with your rifle. |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 3:41:20 PM EDT
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OP, sounds like you have a handle on it. Good luck with your 901.
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Posted: 9/8/2014 6:56:22 PM EDT
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Those gentlemen are holding their rifles in a natural position, NOT what the you were doing. This has become a religion discussion and I've now insulted yours, so I will bow out since you have absolutely no desire to have a technical discussion. Good luck figuring out what's wrong with your rifle. I hope you don't start giving firearm instruction for a living if you are just gonna trash someone and then think that you were helping them! It probably would have went smother if you said something like this; Hey are you comfortable shooting like that? Just asking because I think that might be your problem. Now that doesn't come across as if you were trying to belittle someone. Either way my problem is felt recoil, not recoil management. I can keep the gun on target at 25 yards with two shots in rapid succession (both with A zone hits). I just thought the recoil of this gun was milder (I was wrong). Thanks for your time, I am also done.............. |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 7:00:16 PM EDT
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I am surprised by the felt recoil of this gun (not bashing, I know it's a .308). Even more surprised that I never seen it mentioned. This rifle feels like a shotgun shooting high velocity loads. Anyone have similar observations? Original post just for clarification............ 
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Posted: 9/8/2014 11:35:10 PM EDT
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OP, next time you go to the range take a 12 gauge, semi or pump, and take some high velocity loads for it. Do a shooting comparison between it and the Colt 901 and I think you will see the Colt does not kick nearly as bad as a 12 gauge.
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Posted: 9/11/2014 2:17:27 AM EDT
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I guess all three gun shooters copied Costa? Idiot, Costa copied them for a reason.......... muzzle control! Get lost loser. http://s3.amazonaws.com/ar15com/newsletter/1304/3gun-guide-chris-andersen-rifle.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/Blakely%203-Gun%20-%20July%202012/Blakely3-Gun-July2012-10.jpg http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/P1270803-900x601.jpg http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/330104/file-708405465-jpg/Birdsall_1.jpg?t=1409351529080 "The support-hand forward grip provides leverage for "driving" the gun from target to target or for shooting at a moving target. It is extremely popular among today's competitive shooters for the advantages it offers when dealing with multiple targets." Article here : NO MENTION OF COSTA IN ARTICLE Jerry learned from COSTA http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/miculekvegas1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can fix that when when you stop sticking your left shoulder inside your ear and twisting your arm into weird positions trying to imitate a Costa video. I guess all three gun shooters copied Costa? Idiot, Costa copied them for a reason.......... muzzle control! Get lost loser. http://s3.amazonaws.com/ar15com/newsletter/1304/3gun-guide-chris-andersen-rifle.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/Blakely%203-Gun%20-%20July%202012/Blakely3-Gun-July2012-10.jpg http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/P1270803-900x601.jpg http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/330104/file-708405465-jpg/Birdsall_1.jpg?t=1409351529080 "The support-hand forward grip provides leverage for "driving" the gun from target to target or for shooting at a moving target. It is extremely popular among today's competitive shooters for the advantages it offers when dealing with multiple targets." Article here : NO MENTION OF COSTA IN ARTICLE Jerry learned from COSTA http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/miculekvegas1.jpg Ok, in all those pictures, their left arm is below the rifle. In your video, your left arm is above it, which is causing your shoulder to touch your ear. It looks very unnatural and could be causing your problem. Bring the grip of your left hand about 2 inches back... I bet that helps a lot... |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 2:35:25 PM EDT
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I had a 901 and thought it was a pussycat compared to my AR10 carbine, hope you never shoot a HK91A3!!!
I'm surprised you felt it was harsh considering I'm 5'7"/160 also.......... |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 4:28:08 PM EDT
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That's odd, I was just telling someone that to me, felt recoil on my 901 was similar to my 6940's. I thought it was suprizingly mild for a .308. Yup, slightly more bump than my 6940 but very similar |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 4:38:05 PM EDT
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What the hell is Costa and what does that have to do with anything....................Damn trolls and useless comments... This is the type of BS that gives forums a bad name and even more specifically AR15.com the worst rep of them all! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can fix that when when you stop sticking your left shoulder inside your ear and twisting your arm into weird positions trying to imitate a Costa video. What the hell is Costa and what does that have to do with anything....................Damn trolls and useless comments... This is the type of BS that gives forums a bad name and even more specifically AR15.com the worst rep of them all! Lol you need to have a little thicker skin if you are going to be on these forums I haven't found a site that compares to The size of arfcom in terms of membership and volume of information With that size comes all kinds of comments from good to bad. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 4:49:56 PM EDT
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I guess all three gun shooters copied Costa? Idiot, Costa copied them for a reason.......... muzzle control! Get lost loser. http://s3.amazonaws.com/ar15com/newsletter/1304/3gun-guide-chris-andersen-rifle.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/Blakely%203-Gun%20-%20July%202012/Blakely3-Gun-July2012-10.jpg http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/P1270803-900x601.jpg http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/330104/file-708405465-jpg/Birdsall_1.jpg?t=1409351529080 "The support-hand forward grip provides leverage for "driving" the gun from target to target or for shooting at a moving target. It is extremely popular among today's competitive shooters for the advantages it offers when dealing with multiple targets." Article here : NO MENTION OF COSTA IN ARTICLE Jerry learned from COSTA http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/miculekvegas1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can fix that when when you stop sticking your left shoulder inside your ear and twisting your arm into weird positions trying to imitate a Costa video. I guess all three gun shooters copied Costa? Idiot, Costa copied them for a reason.......... muzzle control! Get lost loser. http://s3.amazonaws.com/ar15com/newsletter/1304/3gun-guide-chris-andersen-rifle.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z130/losrobles/Blakely%203-Gun%20-%20July%202012/Blakely3-Gun-July2012-10.jpg http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/P1270803-900x601.jpg http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/330104/file-708405465-jpg/Birdsall_1.jpg?t=1409351529080 "The support-hand forward grip provides leverage for "driving" the gun from target to target or for shooting at a moving target. It is extremely popular among today's competitive shooters for the advantages it offers when dealing with multiple targets." Article here : NO MENTION OF COSTA IN ARTICLE Jerry learned from COSTA http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/miculekvegas1.jpg If you look at the pictures you posted you can see that all of the shooters have their support forearm at or slightly below the barrel line. The video you posted of yourself shows you holding with the support arm slightly over the barrel line. In my experience, when I hold with my support forearm below the barrel line makes for a more comfortable shooting position and gives me a faster rest for follow up shots and less felt recoil. Either way it's up to you. Happy shooting and keep making videos, the more support we can get the better 
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Posted: 9/15/2014 7:55:52 PM EDT
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"If you look at the pictures you posted you can see that all of the shooters have their support forearm at or slightly below the barrel line. The video you posted of yourself shows you holding with the support arm slightly over the barrel".
This. A guy like you at 290 pounds shouldn't have any trouble with a little .308 recoil. You need to learn how to shoot your rifle properly and quit trying to look an operator. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 9:39:10 PM EDT
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"If you look at the pictures you posted you can see that all of the shooters have their support forearm at or slightly below the barrel line. The video you posted of yourself shows you holding with the support arm slightly over the barrel". This. A guy like you at 290 pounds shouldn't have any trouble with a little .308 recoil. You need to learn how to shoot your rifle properly and quit trying to look an operator. Properly is subjective to audience, either way I have been shooting all sorts of rifles for the past 15 years (with videos). I have no problems with my other rifles shooting how I feel comfortable. I will not shoot any other way that will make me feel uncomfortable, that being said I don't feel that felt recoil would change if my left arm is up or a little more down like in the photos. This is me shooting a full auto SCAR with no issue and the felt recoil in no way compared to the LE901 LIKE A BOSS |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 2:47:01 PM EDT
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Properly is subjective to audience, either way I have been shooting all sorts of rifles for the past 15 years (with videos). I have no problems with my other rifles shooting how I feel comfortable. I will not shoot any other way that will make me feel uncomfortable, that being said I don't feel that felt recoil would change if my left arm is up or a little more down like in the photos. This is me shooting a full auto SCAR with no issue and the felt recoil in no way compared to the LE901 LIKE A BOSS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"If you look at the pictures you posted you can see that all of the shooters have their support forearm at or slightly below the barrel line. The video you posted of yourself shows you holding with the support arm slightly over the barrel". This. A guy like you at 290 pounds shouldn't have any trouble with a little .308 recoil. You need to learn how to shoot your rifle properly and quit trying to look an operator. Properly is subjective to audience, either way I have been shooting all sorts of rifles for the past 15 years (with videos). I have no problems with my other rifles shooting how I feel comfortable. I will not shoot any other way that will make me feel uncomfortable, that being said I don't feel that felt recoil would change if my left arm is up or a little more down like in the photos. This is me shooting a full auto SCAR with no issue and the felt recoil in no way compared to the LE901 LIKE A BOSS In that video, you're left arm is well below in that video... Several have tried giving you advice and you come back stating you're shooting comfortable. Well, IMHO, a "BOSS" wouldn't have a problem with recoil... 
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Posted: 9/16/2014 4:44:09 PM EDT
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OP,
It looks like you and I are from the same neck of the woods. Was the clip of the 901 filmed at MDSAR? I have owned the 901 for over a year and have shot it back to back with a 12 gauge (slug and buck). From my felt recoil observations, the two are in no way comparable. I found that the 901 delivers a smooth but deliberate shove to my shoulder while the 12 gauge is literally more like a punch. I think that your felt recoil is more like perceived recoil. Here is what I mean: In the clip you are shooting 7.62 nato in an indoor range, right next to the concrete wall. The extra blast is redirect back you kinda tricks the mind into thinking that the gun is kicking harder than it actually is. I get the same sensation going back and forth from my 14.5 to 11.5 sbr. My mind thinks that the 11.5 recoils harder because my face is subjected to more blast. My shooting buddy has a Scar 17 with the PWS FSC comp. Take the comp of, and it recoils pretty much like the 901. For the sake of you fellow shooters, please don’t put a comp on that 901. I confess to having shot .308 through a comp now and then – but I always felt like an ass when I do (at least indoors). |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 5:06:10 PM EDT
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OP, It looks like you and I are from the same neck of the woods. Was the clip of the 901 filmed at MDSAR? I have owned the 901 for over a year and have shot it back to back with a 12 gauge (slug and buck). From my felt recoil observations, the two are in no way comparable. I found that the 901 delivers a smooth but deliberate shove to my shoulder while the 12 gauge is literally more like a punch. I think that your felt recoil is more like perceived recoil. Here is what I mean: In the clip you are shooting 7.62 nato in an indoor range, right next to the concrete wall. The extra blast is redirect back you kinda tricks the mind into thinking that the gun is kicking harder than it actually is. I get the same sensation going back and forth from my 14.5 to 11.5 sbr. My mind thinks that the 11.5 recoils harder because my face is subjected to more blast. My shooting buddy has a Scar 17 with the PWS FSC comp. Take the comp of, and it recoils pretty much like the 901. For the sake of you fellow shooters, please don’t put a comp on that 901. I confess to having shot .308 through a comp now and then – but I always felt like an ass when I do (at least indoors). Thanks Anderson76, I am familiar with you (from MDshooters) and yes that was MSAR. You have a good point since most of my rifles have brakes, I have not really shot too many rifles with just a flash hider. This would explain the pushing sensation as you described. I will be taking it back out to the range soon and seeing if anything feels different. Will try different ammo and shooting positions. Thanks again for your input! |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 5:17:42 PM EDT
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Several have tried giving you advice and you come back stating you're shooting comfortable. Well, IMHO, a "BOSS" wouldn't have a problem with recoil... Not going to play games with semantics, but I never said I had a problem with recoil. I stated that I was surprised by it (with this particular rifle), that is all. Not that I was going to sell the gun, not that it was unbearable, unusable or uncontrollable etc.. The Boss comment was from that SCAR video that is all, not the BOSS in any other video 
I am just confused that my left arm (my support arm) and it's position (a few inches up or down) can increase the felt recoil on my right side, and make me feel as if the recoil was harsher. I know this might sound like BS, but I had another shooter that was with me and he has never watched "Costa" and does not extend his arm out on the rail. Well he had a similar opinion to me after firing just 5 rounds. |
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Posted: 9/16/2014 11:19:26 PM EDT
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Properly is subjective to audience, either way I have been shooting all sorts of rifles for the past 15 years (with videos). I have no problems with my other rifles shooting how I feel comfortable. I will not shoot any other way that will make me feel uncomfortable, that being said I don't feel that felt recoil would change if my left arm is up or a little more down like in the photos. This is me shooting a full auto SCAR with no issue and the felt recoil in no way compared to the LE901 LIKE A BOSS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"If you look at the pictures you posted you can see that all of the shooters have their support forearm at or slightly below the barrel line. The video you posted of yourself shows you holding with the support arm slightly over the barrel". This. A guy like you at 290 pounds shouldn't have any trouble with a little .308 recoil. You need to learn how to shoot your rifle properly and quit trying to look an operator. Properly is subjective to audience, either way I have been shooting all sorts of rifles for the past 15 years (with videos). I have no problems with my other rifles shooting how I feel comfortable. I will not shoot any other way that will make me feel uncomfortable, that being said I don't feel that felt recoil would change if my left arm is up or a little more down like in the photos. This is me shooting a full auto SCAR with no issue and the felt recoil in no way compared to the LE901 LIKE A BOSS I watched your video twice and you are definitely holding your elbow much lower while firing the SCAR. also you cheated like a xxxxxxx as the SCAR is running a PWS muzzle break. You just proved my point, thank you! |
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