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Posted: 4/7/2009 9:40:20 PM EDT
I don't want to start another long thread where people freak out and want "proof with calipers" and shit... But I thought everyone would like to know that USAutoweapons is now in fact receiving shipments of LE6920's from Colt with .154 FCG pins. Of course their prices are outrageous, but I won't go there.
These LE6920 lower receivers are also the exact same lowers as the LE6940, as I'm sure you already know. So as it stands right now, expect to see new production LE6940's and LE6920's coming with .154 pins and all the rest still at .170. Also if I'm wrong you didn't hear it from me! 
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Posted: 4/8/2009 12:02:05 PM EDT
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Dare I ask, what difference does the pin size make? Is this an interchangeability issue? (I'm about as new to the AR world as you can get).
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Posted: 4/8/2009 12:27:49 PM EDT
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in real world use. it doesnt make a difference.
but all guns made by colt for the military and other companiesthat make ARs use the 154 size. colt civ guns used 170 to keep you from using full auto M16 parts. I have never heard of a FCG pin breaking, but some stay awake at night worrying that if the colt pin snaps. they wont be able to use their spare brand X LPK pins to replace the colts |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 12:54:12 PM EDT
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in real world use. it doesnt make a difference. but all guns made by colt for the military and other companiesthat make ARs use the 154 size. colt civ guns used 170 to keep you from using full auto M16 parts. I have never heard of a FCG pin breaking, but some stay awake at night worrying that if the colt pin snaps. they wont be able to use their spare brand X LPK pins to replace the colts Can't they just buy some spare .170 pins  (by the way....where would I find someof these?  )
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Posted: 4/8/2009 1:06:42 PM EDT
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yeah, they can, brownells has them and SAW.
really its more an excuse for guys that dont like colt, to further bash colt then any real practical reason. |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 1:06:50 PM EDT
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.154 FCG pins are just the mil-spec pins. When you have .170 pins, you also have to have the associated .170 hammer, trigger and disconnector. Colt is the only manufacturer that ever did this, so all other AR15 manufacturer FCG parts will not work in the civilian/le Colt model weapons.
It's just nice to see Colt going back to spec, though as Shawn mentioned above, there is no affect to the weapon's performance whether it has .170 or .154 FCG pins. Who knows... Maybe the demand for Colt firearms with .154 over .170 pins will be so high, we might just see .170 pin models drop in price. I wouldn't get my hopes up but it's not impossible...
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Posted: 4/9/2009 8:09:17 AM EDT
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I'll keep my STRONGER .17 pins. They're rated for combat!
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Posted: 4/11/2009 2:17:04 PM EDT
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yeah, they can, brownells has them and SAW. really its more an excuse for guys that dont like colt, to further bash colt then any real practical reason. +1 |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 2:46:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'll keep my STRONGER .17 pins. They're rated for combat! You mean rated for civilians because the MIL guns have the .154 pins.
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Posted: 4/11/2009 6:41:30 PM EDT
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Nothing difinative, but LE0541xx had 0.170" and LE0555xx had 0.154" pins
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Posted: 4/12/2009 4:58:07 PM EDT
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Now if they'd just take off the Govt/LEO only markings...
I understand it doesn't mean anything legally, but it irks the dogshit out of me. |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 5:35:28 AM EDT
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Mine just got sent to me with a serial number of LE057XXX, so if the serial numbers mean anything then mine should have the smaller pins when I pick it up this week. I
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Posted: 4/13/2009 6:28:30 AM EDT
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Are they still $1800-$2000?
If so, I'll just keep my .170 model that cost me $1150 NIB. |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 7:51:18 AM EDT
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Are they still $1800-$2000? If so, I'll just keep my .170 model that cost me $1150 NIB. I got mine for $1420 OTD so I consider it a decent deal in today's climate regardless if it comes with the new pins. I wish I could still pick one up for less than $1200 though
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Posted: 4/16/2009 6:30:09 PM EDT
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LE0571XX has .155 pins measured with a micrometer.
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Posted: 4/17/2009 6:27:32 AM EDT
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Now if they'd just take off the Govt/LEO only markings... I understand it doesn't mean anything legally, but it irks the dogshit out of me. You are probably one of the few that doesn't like that. From what I have seen that rollmark is actually a big selling factor. |
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Posted: 4/23/2009 12:48:41 PM EDT
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Is there a set serial number where the 0.154 pins started production on the 6920? It appears to be LE057xxx or above.
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Posted: 4/23/2009 1:50:56 PM EDT
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Is there a set serial number where the 0.154 pins started production on the 6920? It appears to be LE057xxx or above. It starts in the late LE055XXX range and on up from there. I don't know which exact serial number it starts with, so if I were in the market for a .154 pin Colt gun, I would look for something that was LE056XXX and higher. Of course if you can find one that is marked as a .154 pin and in the LE055XXX range, all the more power to ya brother!
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Posted: 4/23/2009 8:13:41 PM EDT
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Is there a set serial number where the 0.154 pins started production on the 6920? It appears to be LE057xxx or above. It starts in the late LE055XXX range and on up from there. I don't know which exact serial number it starts with, so if I were in the market for a .154 pin Colt gun, I would look for something that was LE056XXX and higher. Of course if you can find one that is marked as a .154 pin and in the LE055XXX range, all the more power to ya brother! I asked the guy I bought one from last week to give me the highest serial number he had just to be on the safe side. I ended up with one in the LE057XXX which has the .154 pins. |
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Posted: 4/24/2009 7:11:06 AM EDT
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Are they still $1800-$2000? If so, I'll just keep my .170 model that cost me $1150 NIB. I'd like to get in on a deal like that. Do you have a resource? Cheers, Jack |
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Posted: 4/24/2009 10:45:19 AM EDT
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Are they still $1800-$2000? If so, I'll just keep my .170 model that cost me $1150 NIB. I'd like to get in on a deal like that. Do you have a resource? Cheers, Jack Find a time machine and head back to early October of 2008. :D |
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Posted: 4/24/2009 11:01:06 AM EDT
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Are they still $1800-$2000? If so, I'll just keep my .170 model that cost me $1150 NIB. I'd like to get in on a deal like that. Do you have a resource? Cheers, Jack Find a time machine and head back to early October of 2008. :D Yep, I got mine at the last Market Hall show before the Obamination. Jeff Schramm had stacks and stacks of them at that price. |
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Posted: 4/24/2009 8:00:39 PM EDT
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Are they still $1800-$2000? If so, I'll just keep my .170 model that cost me $1150 NIB. I'd like to get in on a deal like that. Do you have a resource? Cheers, Jack Find a time machine and head back to early October of 2008. :D Go back to 2003 when I bought mine new for $850. I guess mine is old considering the serial number is in the 8XXX range. |
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Posted: 4/24/2009 8:56:19 PM EDT
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Are they still $1800-$2000? If so, I'll just keep my .170 model that cost me $1150 NIB. I'd like to get in on a deal like that. Do you have a resource? Cheers, Jack Find a time machine and head back to early October of 2008. :D Go back to 2003 when I bought mine new for $850. I guess mine is old considering the serial number is in the 8XXX range. I guess mine is really old then with SN in 4xxx range.  It has a few cosmetic scars on it too....
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Posted: 4/25/2009 6:49:21 PM EDT
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Hello all, I'm still fairly new to AR-15's and have a newb question for yall. I purchased my 6920 last year so I know that I have the .170 pins. Is it possible with some alterations to custom fit the .154 pins there or would I be better off purchasing another Colt?
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Posted: 4/25/2009 7:36:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Is it possible with some alterations to custom fit the .154 pins No (meant to read I am no gunsmith but even if it is possible why would you) Quoted: Whats wrong with the one you have?would I be better off purchasing another Colt? |
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Posted: 4/25/2009 7:43:01 PM EDT
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The 6920 I just got from Jensen Arms, Friday has the .154 pins! And you'd better know I'm glad. I wish my older guns had them. I do have spare parts for .171 guns though
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Posted: 4/25/2009 8:36:26 PM EDT
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Hello all, I'm still fairly new to AR-15's and have a newb question for yall. I purchased my 6920 last year so I know that I have the .170 pins. Is it possible with some alterations to custom fit the .154 pins there or would I be better off purchasing another Colt? I'll take that nasty old worthless .170 pinned Colt off your hands for ya for $800!
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Posted: 4/25/2009 9:26:56 PM EDT
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Is it possible with some alterations to custom fit the .154 pins No (meant to read I am no gunsmith but even if it is possible why would you) Quoted:
Whats wrong with the one you have?
would I be better off purchasing another Colt? I just like the idea of Colt finally switching to mil-spec pins. I didn't even know about this whole .170 pins until I started reading this thread. But just like what ShawnMT said earlier, I doubt that these pins will fail on me. Its a Colt. 6920 if that matters.
And there is nothing wrong with mine, just wanted that secure feeling that in the back of my mind I could find replacement parts easily with the new pins. |
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Posted: 4/26/2009 7:35:21 AM EDT
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So let's see, Colt has made....
Standard hinge / .154 Standard hing / .170 Large hing / .154 Large hing / .170 Add to this mix the fact some have threaded barrels, some don't. You got to love all that Mil Spec goodness they pour into every Colt! 
BTW, I own two Colts. |
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Posted: 5/1/2009 7:05:00 PM EDT
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So let's see, Colt has made.... Standard hinge / .154 Standard hing / .170 Large hing / .154 Large hing / .170 Add to this mix the fact some have threaded barrels, some don't. You got to love all that Mil Spec goodness they pour into every Colt!
BTW, I own two Colts. You are an idiot. Colt was the only game in town for what 30 years? The are also one of only a few companies who were selling ar15's during the AWB. It was agasin't the law to sell threaded barrels during this time. Colt did what it had to do to survive. No one else did these things because no one else was in business during this time. Colt has more milspec in it's buffer tube than most companies have in their entire rifles. |
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Posted: 5/2/2009 9:02:14 PM EDT
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Are they still $1800-$2000? If so, I'll just keep my .170 model that cost me $1150 NIB. I'd like to get in on a deal like that. Do you have a resource? Cheers, Jack Find a time machine and head back to early October of 2008. :D Yes, $1200 even OTD compliments of Knesek Guns awhile back. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 10:05:37 PM EDT
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I point out some facts about what Colt has produced an I am an Idiot? I will not get into childish name calling with you, but you feel free if you like.
No one doubts Colts ability to make a quality rifle, but many do question their commitment to do so, at least for civilians. Yes we all know that there are ways to get the non-neutered models, but that is not really the point is it. I do not know how old you are, or if you were paying attention to what was going on before the ban, I was however. I got my FFL back in 1988 and I was selling Colts. Colt started the neutering of their rifles for civilian sales well before the ban went into effect. Ten round magazines, odd pin sizes, no bayonet lugs, etc. These things were done willingly by Colt and was NOT forced upon them by the ban at the time. Not to mention that the management took a legendary name in the gun business and managed to run it into the ground, it is as if they were trying to destroy the company. Colt can and does make a fine rifle, but they are simply not the only quality game in town anymore. I still have two Colts, I also have two Noveskes, a Spikes, a LWRC, two LMTs, and a Cav. Arms 7.62x39. I don't remember the last time I even had the Colts out to shoot, the only reason I have even kept them is because they are "pre-ban" lowers, this is in case I ever go to a Peoples Republic type state. It is no more fair for people to say Colt makes crap, than it is for the other side to say that Colt is the only quality "mil-spec" rifle available. Colt simply is no longer the Alpha and Omega of the AR platform. Am I saying I would never buy a Colt again, no, but it sure is not my first, or only choice anymore, there are lots of companies out there that are happy to sell to us civilians. |
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Posted: 5/8/2009 8:38:04 AM EDT
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I point out some facts about what Colt has produced an I am an Idiot? I will not get into childish name calling with you, but you feel free if you like. No one doubts Colts ability to make a quality rifle, but many do question their commitment to do so, at least for civilians. Yes we all know that there are ways to get the non-neutered models, but that is not really the point is it. I do not know how old you are, or if you were paying attention to what was going on before the ban, I was however. I got my FFL back in 1988 and I was selling Colts. Colt started the neutering of their rifles for civilian sales well before the ban went into effect. Ten round magazines, odd pin sizes, no bayonet lugs, etc. These things were done willingly by Colt and was NOT forced upon them by the ban at the time. Not to mention that the management took a legendary name in the gun business and managed to run it into the ground, it is as if they were trying to destroy the company. Colt can and does make a fine rifle, but they are simply not the only quality game in town anymore. I still have two Colts, I also have two Noveskes, a Spikes, a LWRC, two LMTs, and a Cav. Arms 7.62x39. I don't remember the last time I even had the Colts out to shoot, the only reason I have even kept them is because they are "pre-ban" lowers, this is in case I ever go to a Peoples Republic type state. It is no more fair for people to say Colt makes crap, than it is for the other side to say that Colt is the only quality "mil-spec" rifle available. Colt simply is no longer the Alpha and Omega of the AR platform. Am I saying I would never buy a Colt again, no, but it sure is not my first, or only choice anymore, there are lots of companies out there that are happy to sell to us civilians. Whoa... Where did this come from? 
I take it that other post must be your troll account? 
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Posted: 5/8/2009 10:49:38 AM EDT
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No nothing could be further from the truth, I was the one who was called an idiot. You may need to read more of the thread for context, I have not launched personal attacks against anyone.
This thread was about the new 6920s having proper pin size, I am glad to hear it, good for Colt. I made an observation as to how that has not always been the case, in fact Colt in many ways seems to be the least 'standard' in civilian guise of many of the AR makers. Calling me or my post "troll" is way off base, I think it deserves an edit. It always amazes me that so many seem to get bent out of shape when you try and have an honest discussion of Colt and their corporate history over the past couple of decades. The truth is somewhere between the party line that the Colt Kool Aiders spout, and the rantings of the Colt haters. The truth is what it is. |
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Posted: 5/8/2009 12:39:22 PM EDT
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No nothing could be further from the truth, I was the one who was called an idiot. You may need to read more of the thread for context, I have not launched personal attacks against anyone. This thread was about the new 6920s having proper pin size, I am glad to hear it, good for Colt. I made an observation as to how that has not always been the case, in fact Colt in many ways seems to be the least 'standard' in civilian guise of many of the AR makers. Calling me or my post "troll" is way off base, I think it deserves an edit. It always amazes me that so many seem to get bent out of shape when you try and have an honest discussion of Colt and their corporate history over the past couple of decades. The truth is somewhere between the party line that the Colt Kool Aiders spout, and the rantings of the Colt haters. The truth is what it is. Easy there big boy. I have no idea what you are talking about and was hoping you could give some clarification. The only posts I see from you in this thread are your last two. So I can only assume you have "multiple accounts", hence my troll comment. Perhaps you can quote the specific comment that upset you so that others (like me) have some sort of idea what you are talking about... Oh and I only edit out comments from my posts that need to be edited out. I see no need here...
ETA: Also what do you expect to get when you go into the "Colt Forum" and start talking about how Colt is not a very good "civilian" firearms manufacturer. I mean seriously???
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Posted: 5/8/2009 12:51:07 PM EDT
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You are an idiot. Colt was the only game in town for what 30 years? The are also one of only a few companies who were selling ar15's during the AWB. It was agasin't the law to sell threaded barrels during this time. Colt did what it had to do to survive. No one else did these things because no one else was in business during this time. Colt has more milspec in it's buffer tube than most companies have in their entire rifles. Above is the post where I was called an idiot by southfloridguns As for more than two accounts, that is not so.... My first post was before I had paid for my team membership, hence no avatar The second post was with my new team membership and avatar as well as my new username. The new username is NOT my choice, I was made to change it by moderator, he took exception to original one. Still same account, same sig, same post count, same join date. I do NOT have a second account troll or otherwise. Edit: I must do an at least partial mea culpa, I had thought that the first post in this thread with new avatar did in fact have my original username, I see now that it does not. Thinking that, I thought it was simple for you to look at the two identical avatars and know it was the same peron, my mistake. Between the new team membership with avatar, as well as the unrelated requirement by staff to pick a new username all during the same week, well that is unusual to say the least. |
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Posted: 5/8/2009 1:04:46 PM EDT
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Well I hope you can understand my confusion then.
Carry on... |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 7:37:07 PM EDT
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Are only the 6920 and 6940's produced this way? What about their other models?
Tactical Carbine Government Carbine TC |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 8:56:02 PM EDT
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Are only the 6920 and 6940's produced this way? What about their other models? Tactical Carbine Government Carbine TC At this point all models have been switched over to .154 FCG pins, except for the CR6724 (the match trigger.) This includes LE6921 and LE6933 factory SBR's as well. |
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Posted: 6/30/2009 10:35:26 PM EDT
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Sooo....at what serial number did they start with the .154 pins in the 6920 and in the 6520??
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Posted: 7/1/2009 6:59:35 AM EDT
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but many do question their commitment to do so, at least for civilians. How many other makers offer factory SBRs to the public? |
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Posted: 7/12/2009 8:24:18 PM EDT
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Colt was the only game in town for what 30 years? The are also one of only a few companies who were selling ar15's during the AWB. Colt fan here, but I felt the need to point out the absurdity of this statement. |
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Posted: 7/14/2009 5:21:57 PM EDT
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Jeb Stuart: nice handle (malsikcuf = f*ckwhat?). Nice second choice, going with a Confederate general's name. Tool.
I made an observation as to how that has not always been the case, in fact Colt in many ways seems to be the least 'standard' in civilian guise of many of the AR makers.
Calling me or my post "troll" is way off base, I think it deserves an edit. Please, based on your extensive experience, educate us on how Colt is the least "standard" in "civilian guise", whatever that means, of "many" of the AR makers. We clearly are in need of education. Milspec buffer tube. M16/M4 BCG. Small pins. No aluminum block in the lower. What do I think? 
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Posted: 7/14/2009 5:25:54 PM EDT
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Hello all, I'm still fairly new to AR-15's and have a newb question for yall. I purchased my 6920 last year so I know that I have the .170 pins. Is it possible with some alterations to custom fit the .154 pins there or would I be better off purchasing another Colt? I'm sure M60Joe would do it, but I dunno what it would cost. |
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Posted: 7/14/2009 7:00:09 PM EDT
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Jeb Stuart: nice handle (malsikcuf = f*ckwhat?). Nice second choice, going with a Confederate general's name. Tool. I made an observation as to how that has not always been the case, in fact Colt in many ways seems to be the least 'standard' in civilian guise of many of the AR makers.
Calling me or my post "troll" is way off base, I think it deserves an edit. Please, based on your extensive experience, educate us on how Colt is the least "standard" in "civilian guise", whatever that means, of "many" of the AR makers. We clearly are in need of education. Milspec buffer tube. M16/M4 BCG. Small pins. No aluminum block in the lower. What do I think? fuckislam is what you meant to say. |
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