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Posted: 2/19/2016 11:47:44 AM EDT
I know we still got a while but curious to see where we stand when they start to ship.
My order number is 3172X placed approximately two and a half hours after the first email wave went out. Can't wait to get a matching grey lower! 
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Posted: 1/3/2017 4:50:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au:
In the end Larue is a small company and they seem to have trouble ramping up production. It would appear they lack sufficient funds for capital investment. Hell maybe they have cash flow problems and can't afford enough inventory to produce Q1 products and other things like barrel exchange kits. In fact the more I think about it, it could very well be a cash flow problem. Heavily doubt. |
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Posted: 1/3/2017 5:04:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: akethan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au:
In the end Larue is a small company and they seem to have trouble ramping up production. It would appear they lack sufficient funds for capital investment. Hell maybe they have cash flow problems and can't afford enough inventory to produce Q1 products and other things like barrel exchange kits. In fact the more I think about it, it could very well be a cash flow problem. That's real retarded. Do you own or run a company? I know you don't because if you did you would know what a pain in the ass it is to find quality employees right now. |
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Posted: 1/3/2017 5:08:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au:
In the end Larue is a small company and they seem to have trouble ramping up production. It would appear they lack sufficient funds for capital investment. Hell maybe they have cash flow problems and can't afford enough inventory to produce Q1 products and other things like barrel exchange kits. In fact the more I think about it, it could very well be a cash flow problem. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au:
Originally Posted By ozzie839:
I'll tell ya who i really feel bad for: the guys who bought into the TOBR system with the promise of multiple calibers, I mean why offer a switch barrel system and never offer other calibers? In the end Larue is a small company and they seem to have trouble ramping up production. It would appear they lack sufficient funds for capital investment. Hell maybe they have cash flow problems and can't afford enough inventory to produce Q1 products and other things like barrel exchange kits. In fact the more I think about it, it could very well be a cash flow problem. 
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Posted: 1/3/2017 5:53:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au:
In the end Larue is a small company and they seem to have trouble ramping up production. It would appear they lack sufficient funds for capital investment. Hell maybe they have cash flow problems and can't afford enough inventory to produce Q1 products and other things like barrel exchange kits. In fact the more I think about it, it could very well be a cash flow problem. Hardly Brother, hardly. LaRue produces quite a few more rifles than do some other supposedly big names out there. Add in the investments made in barrel making, polymer and trigger operations (and the associated CNCs / machinery / buildings / labor) and what, 500 barrels he just gave away, I just can't buy into your theory. |
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Posted: 1/3/2017 6:15:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Wangstang]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au:
In the end Larue is a small company and they seem to have trouble ramping up production. It would appear they lack sufficient funds for capital investment. Hell maybe they have cash flow problems and can't afford enough inventory to produce Q1 products and other things like barrel exchange kits. In fact the more I think about it, it could very well be a cash flow problem. It's a new Stealth 2.0 design that departs from the full rifle production line. Note this 2.0 v1 guys complaint of needing a mallet to fit their lowers. I don't think those in the 2.0 v2 batch are reporting the same. Give the product a couple weeks in small releases, check for feedback, tweak just a hair, fit production for next small batch in to the schedule, delivered and taking feedback, assuming good to go open the floodgates on the next available production time and fill remaining orders. Add into that production schedule that the company got a couple of military contracts in the last year that were given top priority and he made a priority to help out CA shooters by directing product their direction...I am not shocked or upset that my order hasn't arrived. As for production capacity, go look at the UHFO threads from the last few years. You can watch production grounds and facilities grow like a timeline by doing so. I've been buying LT equipment since 2006 and their facilities/capacities were tiny compared to what they are doing now. Mark, Take all the time you need. I trust that you will make it worth the wait. Put something interesting out at Shot. I expect a killer bolt action from what you've hinted at. Thanks Wes |
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Posted: 1/3/2017 6:57:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wangstang:
It's a new Stealth 2.0 design that departs from the full rifle production line. Note this 2.0 v1 guys complaint of needing a mallet to fit their lowers. I don't think those in the 2.0 v2 batch are reporting the same. Give the product a couple weeks in small releases, check for feedback, tweak just a hair, fit production for next small batch in to the schedule, delivered and taking feedback, assuming good to go open the floodgates on the next available production time and fill remaining orders. Add into that production schedule that the company got a couple of military contracts in the last year that were given top priority and he made a priority to help out CA shooters by directing product their direction...I am not shocked or upset that my order hasn't arrived. As for production capacity, go look at the UHFO threads from the last few years. You can watch production grounds and facilities grow like a timeline by doing so. I've been buying LT equipment since 2006 and their facilities/capacities were tiny compared to what they are doing now. Mark, Take all the time you need. I trust that you will.make it worth the wait Put something interesting out at Shot. I expect a killer bolt action from what you've hinted at. Thanks Wes Oh you mean like the Siete? From 2013?2014? I've lost track now. If you want a killer bolt action look at those shooting PRS matches...out your money there and don't look back |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2017 7:24:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wangstang:
It's a new Stealth 2.0 design that departs from the full rifle production line. Note this 2.0 v1 guys complaint of needing a mallet to fit their lowers. I don't think those in the 2.0 v2 batch are reporting the same. Give the product a couple weeks in small releases, check for feedback, tweak just a hair, fit production for next small batch in to the schedule, delivered and taking feedback, assuming good to go open the floodgates on the next available production time and fill remaining orders. Add into that production schedule that the company got a couple of military contracts in the last year that were given top priority and he made a priority to help out CA shooters by directing product their direction...I am not shocked or upset that my order hasn't arrived. As for production capacity, go look at the UHFO threads from the last few years. You can watch production grounds and facilities grow like a timeline by doing so. I've been buying LT equipment since 2006 and their facilities/capacities were tiny compared to what they are doing now. Mark, Take all the time you need. I trust that you will make it worth the wait. Put something interesting out at Shot. I expect a killer bolt action from what you've hinted at. Thanks Wes I'll take one of those 2.0s that require the mallet! 
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Posted: 1/3/2017 7:53:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wangstang:
It's a new Stealth 2.0 design that departs from the full rifle production line. Note this 2.0 v1 guys complaint of needing a mallet to fit their lowers. I don't think those in the 2.0 v2 batch are reporting the same. Give the product a couple weeks in small releases, check for feedback, tweak just a hair, fit production for next small batch in to the schedule, delivered and taking feedback, assuming good to go open the floodgates on the next available production time and fill remaining orders. Add into that production schedule that the company got a couple of military contracts in the last year that were given top priority and he made a priority to help out CA shooters by directing product their direction...I am not shocked or upset that my order hasn't arrived. As for production capacity, go look at the UHFO threads from the last few years. You can watch production grounds and facilities grow like a timeline by doing so. I've been buying LT equipment since 2006 and their facilities/capacities were tiny compared to what they are doing now. Mark, Take all the time you need. I trust that you will make it worth the wait. Put something interesting out at Shot. I expect a killer bolt action from what you've hinted at. Thanks Wes If you are calling the earlier batch v1, and those that shipped in the past month v2, I can tell you for a fact that the fitment could still benefit from a mallet. I'm not bothered by it, and didn't use one, but I read that and just wanted to chime in. My biggest complaint is not picking up two uppers. I parked the 18" Stealth in the upper, but also want to be able to swap in a 16" tAR. Oh well. At least I got the one that I did order! |
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Posted: 1/3/2017 8:24:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shark101au]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akethan:
That's real retarded. Do you own or run a company? I know you don't because if you did you would know what a pain in the ass it is to find quality employees right now. I helped run my fathers company before he sold it. I now work in a well known multinational in their finance dept with $30+ billion in revenue. Believe me cash flow is a major topic. Have you run a company of any size?Have you worked in company finance or planning? No idea what finding quality employees has to do with cash flow. Not sure why you're getting angry. It was just an observation I had. |
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Posted: 1/3/2017 8:30:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3:
Hardly Brother, hardly. LaRue produces quite a few more rifles than do some other supposedly big names out there. Add in the investments made in barrel making, polymer and trigger operations (and the associated CNCs / machinery / buildings / labor) and what, 500 barrels he just gave away, I just can't buy into your theory. Honestly 500 barrels probably had a marginal cost of less than $50,000 and no doubt he's claiming a tax deduction for "advertising and promotional costs". Are the investments paid for? or were they bought on loans? Unlikely they were bought with cash. Paying interest is a large drain on cash flow. |
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Posted: 1/3/2017 8:34:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wangstang:
It's a new Stealth 2.0 design that departs from the full rifle production line. Note this 2.0 v1 guys complaint of needing a mallet to fit their lowers. I don't think those in the 2.0 v2 batch are reporting the same. Give the product a couple weeks in small releases, check for feedback, tweak just a hair, fit production for next small batch in to the schedule, delivered and taking feedback, assuming good to go open the floodgates on the next available production time and fill remaining orders. The problem wasn't with the upper it was with the lower. I couldn't fit any of my uppers into the lower.....Noveske, 2A Arms, BAD, PWS.... |
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Posted: 1/3/2017 8:54:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au:
I helped run my fathers company before he sold it. I now work in a well known multinational in their finance dept with $30+ billion in revenue. Believe me cash flow is a major topic. Have you run a company of any size?Have you worked in company finance or planning? No idea what finding quality employees has to do with cash flow. Not sure why you're getting angry. It was just an observation I had. Has nothing to do with cash flow he can't find enough skilled workers to keep up. I have discussed it with him we both have the same issue. |
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Posted: 1/3/2017 9:01:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shark101au]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By akethan:
Has nothing to do with cash flow he can't find enough skilled workers to keep up. I have discussed it with him we both have the same issue. So you're saying he doesn't have enough people to run his machines? or are the people running them fucking them up? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2017 9:36:56 PM EDT
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It's odd to me that people can't understand that it's difficult to find skilled workers that actually know wth they're doing.
I'm guessing he doesn't want to hire people that don't know what they're doing because it would bring down quality and/or ruin operations further. Yes, finding skilled workers is difficult in nearly every industry... especially people that specialize in running a specific type of CNC machine with specific protocols. Now think about it as an owner... you can make $10 using your workers to make product A that you sell at full price... or you can make $1 using your workers to make product B, that you did as a favor to people that joined your BuildAR list. Gotta weigh the positives and negatives and proceed. |
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Posted: 1/3/2017 10:05:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shark101au]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SigDave:
Now think about it as an owner... you can make $10 using your workers to make product A that you sell at full price... or you can make $1 using your workers to make product B, that you did as a favor to people that joined your BuildAR list. Gotta weigh the positives and negatives and proceed. I think you're missing the point that is trying to be made by some. The Q1 stuff was promised by May, it didn't happened and they've been no updates. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2017 10:28:33 PM EDT
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For those complaining, I don't know what the problem is. It's not like Larue took your money, and is not delivering.
Laure makes precision products, and that takes time. I'm more than happy to wait as long as it takes. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2017 10:29:44 PM EDT
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I wasn't a buildar, and I would be pretty upset that it was promised by May and it's now the following January. That said I would be even more pissed if they had charged me for it and it hadn't shipped. It doesn't charge til it ships so you still have time to cancel.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 11:10:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joshpuh:
...It doesn't charge til it ships so you still have time to cancel. Amen. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 12:18:08 AM EDT
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Some folks got no issues with indefinite timeframes on order fulfillment...
Others would prefer to have some idea when to expect the product. Niether position is unreasonable... |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2017 12:25:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joshpuh:
I wasn't a buildar, and I would be pretty upset that it was promised by May and it's now the following January. That said I would be even more pissed if they had charged me for it and it hadn't shipped. It doesn't charge til it ships so you still have time to cancel. and some just want to come on here to bitch and moan about it because they having another better to do. if LT didn't meet your expectations (not OP) just cancel the order and move on. |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 7:04:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WVgunner:
Some folks got no issues with indefinite timeframes on order fulfillment... Others would prefer to have some idea when to expect the product. Niether position is unreasonable... bingo! |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 10:35:43 AM EDT
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Relax Francis
We have no idea what the delay is and we could bitch about it until they get delivered but it won't make them show up any sooner. Even if we knew what the status was it won't make them show up sooner. Patience is a virtue and the product will be high quality |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 10:58:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By APPARITION:
Relax Francis We have no idea what the delay is and we could bitch about it until they get delivered but it won't make them show up any sooner. Even if we knew what the status was it won't make them show up sooner. Patience is a virtue and the product will be high quality the status is known: they're not moving the time frame needs updated is all some of us are asking for, a little transparency goes a long way |
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Posted: 1/4/2017 2:54:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ozzie839:
the status is known: ozzie839's is not moving the time frame needs updated is all some of us are asking for, a little transparency goes a long way FIFY, and that's about all you really know. Might want to take the advice you've carefully laid out in your sig line. Or there's always that other option that's available to anyone whom wants it - cancel your order and walk away, not having paid a nickel. |
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Posted: 1/6/2017 5:01:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ozzie839:
Oh you mean like the Siete? From 2013?2014? I've lost track now. If you want a killer bolt action look at those shooting PRS matches...out your money there and don't look back Every time I see you post it's a negative comment. Not that I personally care, just don't understand what you're doing here. Can't spend your whole life with an axe to grind, speak your piece and move on. |
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Posted: 1/7/2017 1:35:12 AM EDT
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I sent an email into LT today to ask about the part of my Qtr 1 order that remains backordered(the RO M4 cut upper and the Blackout barrel)
Was told to expect "several more weeks before they begin to ship those items". Clear as mud... |
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Posted: 1/7/2017 12:35:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WVgunner:
I sent an email into LT today to ask about the part of my Qtr 1 order that remains backordered(the RO M4 cut upper and the Blackout barrel) Was told to expect "several more weeks before they begin to ship those items". Clear as mud... So they have no idea
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Posted: 1/7/2017 1:39:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: razARback]
[#28]
It's like Groundhog Day - I come here and it's the same few people whining about this every day. If BuildAR order fulfillment was that bothersome to me, I would seriously re-examine my life/priorities.
FYI: It looks like Palmetto has some uppers in stock. 
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Posted: 1/7/2017 10:06:10 PM EDT
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Interesting how its always the same few "whining" about the folks who are "whining" about thier QTR 1 orders.
Seems its a matter of perspective as to what is "whining" and what is not... |
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Posted: 1/7/2017 10:40:51 PM EDT
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Not to piss in anyone's Cheerios about the whole "Where's my upper" discussion since I'm also waiting.....so I bought a cheap Anderson upper and UTG rail to mount my Stealth 18" barrel up, mated it to the LT lower and will get to the range when time and weather allows to see what it will do....When my RO upper gets here, I'll swap it all out and go from there....
......just a suggestion for those who are also antsy about putting it all together...there's more than a single method to remove the epidermis from a feline..... 
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Posted: 1/7/2017 10:54:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Draconis:
Not to piss in anyone's Cheerios about the whole "Where's my upper" discussion since I'm also waiting.....so I bought a cheap Anderson upper and UTG rail to mount my Stealth 18" barrel up, mated it to the LT lower and will get to the range when time and weather allows to see what it will do....When my RO upper gets here, I'll swap it all out and go from there.... ......just a suggestion for those who are also antsy about putting it all together...there's more than a single method to remove the epidermis from a feline..... 
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Posted: 1/8/2017 9:49:51 AM EDT
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as someone with a q1 order out there I would guess that the run on guns because of the election is the real reason the q1 orders are on the back burner. i'm sure like any company it comes down to quality employees and subcontractors.it only takes a small delay to put a major hiccup in the operations. I seriously cant see it being any sort of cash flow problem. i do agree a update would be nice but that is not really larues track record, they are more likely to just throw in some extra swag than to throw out more dates, just have a drink and relax it will be here soon enough.
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Posted: 1/8/2017 10:10:58 AM EDT
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I think the BuildAR program is going to come to a end pretty soon over all the bitching.
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Posted: 1/8/2017 1:29:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeep450:
I think the BuildAR program is going to come to a end pretty soon over all the bitching. i don't think it would be cancelled for this reason. if you notice its always the same small handful of people bitching and not the majority. if it is indeed cancelled it would be for a different reason. i would really like to know how many people are left on it myself of course that would never be released. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2017 4:17:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeep450:
I think the BuildAR program is going to come to a end pretty soon over all the bitching. Would be petty as hell to do so over complaints of unfulfilled orders. It will get there when it gets there is a practice model that supports attrition. Communication is key and some have more patience than others. |
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Posted: 1/8/2017 4:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SigDave:
It's odd to me that people can't understand that it's difficult to find skilled workers that actually know wth they're doing. Exactly. Had an engineer suddenly retire a few months ago and have zero qualified applicants. Then once we finally get a qualified one lets see if they know what they are doing. Usually takes six months to see. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2017 5:28:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tacticalmedic450:
i don't think it would be cancelled for this reason. if you notice its always the same small handful of people bitching and not the majority. if it is indeed cancelled it would be for a different reason. i would really like to know how many people are left on it myself of course that would never be released. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tacticalmedic450:
Originally Posted By jeep450:
I think the BuildAR program is going to come to a end pretty soon over all the bitching. i don't think it would be cancelled for this reason. if you notice its always the same small handful of people bitching and not the majority. if it is indeed cancelled it would be for a different reason. i would really like to know how many people are left on it myself of course that would never be released. Larue stopped selling BCGs because a small group complaining and questioning. So, yes I do think it's possible that Mark would stop the BuildAR program because of it. |
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Posted: 1/8/2017 5:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Draconis:
Not to piss in anyone's Cheerios about the whole "Where's my upper" discussion since I'm also waiting.....so I bought a cheap Anderson upper and UTG rail to mount my Stealth 18" barrel up, mated it to the LT lower and will get to the range when time and weather allows to see what it will do....When my RO upper gets here, I'll swap it all out and go from there.... ......just a suggestion for those who are also antsy about putting it all together...there's more than a single method to remove the epidermis from a feline..... I've got so many ARs I could give a shit. Even NFA wait times don't bother me.
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Posted: 1/10/2017 9:54:49 PM EDT
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Started with the 18" Stealth
As nice as it was, the chassis is so light, I just had to go 16" tAR 
I should've bought two! Chin up, guys. They may be coming slowly, but they are coming. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 11:27:19 PM EDT
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I really didn't picture it as a lightweight chassis. Interesting; I'm now glad I have a PredatAR barrel ready to install once mine shows up. I had planned on a long Stealth barrel...
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Posted: 1/11/2017 6:05:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duodec:
I really didn't picture it as a lightweight chassis. Interesting; I'm now glad I have a PredatAR barrel ready to install once mine shows up. I had planned on a long Stealth barrel... To be fair, I didn't put it on a scale. No science - it was all perception. But that's how it felt to me. The 18" handled very nicely too and in my opinion you can't go wrong. Like I said, I should've ordered two so I could have both. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 10:22:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duodec]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duodec:
I really didn't picture it as a lightweight chassis. Interesting; I'm now glad I have a PredatAR barrel ready to install once mine shows up. I had planned on a long Stealth barrel... I wish I had ordered a couple or three also. But money was even tighter then than now so one was all I thought I could afford. I have a 20" Stealth in another gun I was considering moving to the BuildAR but I think I'll leave that one alone. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 12:27:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/19/2017 2:34:01 AM EDT
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It will be a beautiful day when my upper ships.
Still patiently waiting. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 8:23:16 PM EDT
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After seeing the thread on the mismatch between the lower and upper, I'm thinking of cancelling the order. kind of bummed the match between the upper and lower is 100%, that's what I was expecting from larue.
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Posted: 1/19/2017 8:57:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au:
After seeing the thread on the mismatch between the lower and upper, I'm thinking of cancelling the order. kind of bummed the match between the upper and lower is 100%, that's what I was expecting from larue. You should keep the order in and wait to see it yourself. If it actually bothers you, it should be easy to flip. |
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Posted: 1/19/2017 9:05:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au:
After seeing the thread on the mismatch between the lower and upper, I'm thinking of cancelling the order. kind of bummed the match between the upper and lower is 100%, that's what I was expecting from larue. I've been debating canceling as well but we are already what 12 months into it what's another year or so.... Seeing the finish as well as the fitmant issues it's clear that the whole "perfection takes time" and it will be "worth the wait" becomes debateable. |
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Posted: 1/20/2017 1:14:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JesseCJC:
I've been debating canceling as well but we are already what 12 months into it what's another year or so.... Seeing the finish as well as the fitmant issues it's clear that the whole "perfection takes time" and it will be "worth the wait" becomes debateable. Unfortunately I think the whole BuildAR was an afterthought to get people in here excited. What has been released hasn't been up to the standards Larue prides itself on. I'm holding the order for a friend, I went another route, I feel bad now for him by extolling the fit and finish of Larue and seeing what's come out for the BuildAR. It's a shame they didn't bother matching the upper and lower receivers, I think most people were expecting them to be a seamless fit, I know I was. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2017 2:00:56 PM EDT
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If there's anyone who's looking to offload their 2.0 let me know. I'm looking for either color upper and possibly lowers as well.
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Posted: 1/20/2017 2:59:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shark101au:
Unfortunately I think the whole BuildAR was an afterthought to get people in here excited. What has been released hasn't been up to the standards Larue prides itself on. I'm holding the order for a friend, I went another route, I feel bad now for him by extolling the fit and finish of Larue and seeing what's come out for the BuildAR. It's a shame they didn't bother matching the upper and lower receivers, I think most people were expecting them to be a seamless fit, I know I was. BuildAR was a surprise opportunity to get some exclusive or discounted stuff. I'm reserving judgement on quality or fit until I receive my 2.0 upper parts, but in any event I'm going to be a happy camper. With the prices they gave to us, having a complete Larue rifle in gray anodizing for roughly $1300+/- is pretty damn nice. If you demand absolute perfection, cough up the dough and get a tobr for $2400. |
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