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Posted: 12/30/2009 9:46:26 AM EDT
Chris, Travis, or someone who has attended a Magpul Dynamics Class,
I am attending one of the Magpul Dynamics 1+2 courses next year and I want to have the proper gear when I show up. I've watched the videos and I have the Blade Tech Injection Molded AR 15/ M16 Pouches x3 http://www.blade-tech.com/Injection-Molded-AR-15-M16-Pouches-pr-974.html but what chest rig do you recommend I use with those? I do have an Eagle CIRAS http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=449&cat=0&page=1&featured. I have it set up with my pistol mags on the center (low on the carrier) and AR mags on the left side of the carrier (low again). I can provide pics if needed. The biggest con with this is it is bulky & heavy, I was thinking something lighter and not as cumbersome would be better fro the class. Also I have a Level 2 Tactical SERPA Holster http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Level-2-Tactical-SERPA-Holster,1173,1416.htm do you recommend this or putting my SERPA up on my belt? I don't want to get into the SERPA or another brand debate, simply having my pistol on my thigh or my belt. Thank you Keith |
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I attended a class in November and honestly the majority of us ran a belt rig and cargo pants with pockets, Haha. A few guys ran chest rigs, personally I ran a ATS belt setup. When we went back to grab mags you crammed what you could in your pouches and filled in your pockets. Do some drills with whatever you have and see what is more comfortable. That Serpa with a dropped and offset mount would be nice on a belt. One thing is for sure, you'll find out what really works and what doesn't during the class!
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Chris, Travis, or someone who has attended a Magpul Dynamics Class, I am attending one of the Magpul Dynamics 1+2 courses next year and I want to have the proper gear when I show up. I've watched the videos and I have the Blade Tech Injection Molded AR 15/ M16 Pouches x3 http://www.blade-tech.com/Injection-Molded-AR-15-M16-Pouches-pr-974.html but what chest rig do you recommend I use with those? I do have an Eagle CIRAS http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=449&cat=0&page=1&featured. I have it set up with my pistol mags on the center (low on the carrier) and AR mags on the left side of the carrier (low again). I can provide pics if needed. The biggest con with this is it is bulky & heavy, I was thinking something lighter and not as cumbersome would be better fro the class. Also I have a Level 2 Tactical SERPA Holster http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Level-2-Tactical-SERPA-Holster,1173,1416.htm do you recommend this or putting my SERPA up on my belt? I don't want to get into the SERPA or another brand debate, simply having my pistol on my thigh or my belt. Thank you Keith $622.81 Huh? |
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I have never taken a class so take this FWIW. I've watched all the AoTTC DVD's, and have decided that a TT mini mav with a triple shingle and a belt with 3-4 pistol mags, 1-2 primary mags is all I will ever need along with a BOK. This should keep it light and allow me to feed my weapons like they teach on the DVD's. Next time they are in Ohio or close by I am taking a class but till then I'll wait.
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This seems to be the most practical/popular now a days and what we run...
as for a chest rig something simple like this rig from BravoCompanyUSA: LINK |
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This seems to be the most practical/popular now a days and what we run... http://ravenconcealment.com/img/products/magazines/PhantomRifle.jpg as for a chest rig something simple like this rig from BravoCompanyUSA: LINK What pouch is that???? scotts556 |
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This seems to be the most practical/popular now a days and what we run... http://ravenconcealment.com/img/products/magazines/PhantomRifle.jpg as for a chest rig something simple like this rig from BravoCompanyUSA: LINK What pouch is that???? scotts556 Raven concelment AR pouch. |
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Well you might consider this. Train the way you are going to have to fight. If you are .mil/.gov/LEO then run with the gear you are issued, but if you are a civy then set yourself up that way. For myself, as a civy, the most probably scenario is an altercation on my way to or from work, or a bump in the night. Being honest with myself, for myself that means that I will be running everything off my belt. This means that I am going to be training with (with a slight modification,because I am in a class) my concealment setup. I am running a Specter Gear belt with a Raven concealment (OWB) on my right. Slick on my front with a double pistol mag setup on my left, followed up with a Raven concealment AR mag behind that. The only changes I add to that are items to keep me on the line at class without slowing everyone else down. I add a second AR mag behind the first one and a dump pouch on the belt in the small of my back. In addition to this I am using a minimalist chest rig that holds 4 AR mags and 2 additional handgun mags.
The whole point of this setup is thtat every reload is a drawl from a primary mag carrier (from the double mag handgun pouch and the first AR pouch) all other pouches are only there to top these two pouches off. With every drawl you develop muscle memory, training your body for that critical drawl and that criticaly needed reload. Class time to too costly to waste any of it, and unless you have tons of money and vacation time, you have to make the absolute most of it while you can. Just my $0.02. YMMV. |
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I ran two AR mags on my belt for my primary reloads, and used an Eagle M4 Chest Rig for additional spares. This setup worked very well at the Dynamic Carbine 1 class I attended.
My AR mags are on the right side because I run rifles left handed and pistols right handed. |
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Go with the above but ditch the Serpa holster if it has the trigger release (no offense). Run the holster on your belt if you have room because you can't generally wear a leg rig in public so why train that way?
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Go with the above but ditch the Serpa holster if it has the trigger release (no offense). Run the holster on your belt if you have room because you can't generally wear a leg rig in public so why train that way? c Why? I think I know, but am curious to your thought on them. |
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Go with the above but ditch the Serpa holster if it has the trigger release (no offense). Run the holster on your belt if you have room because you can't generally wear a leg rig in public so why train that way? c Why? I think I know, but am curious to your thought on them. If you google it ("problems with SERPA holster") you can make a decision for yourself. All that aside if I am a civilian and drawling from under a jacket/concellment do I need a holster with a trigger release? Am not a target for a gun grabber. Blackhawk takes a holster and skeltonizes to make it faster on the draw and then adds a retention device so that the weapon will stay in it. A better solution is to go with a kydex holster that was molded for you exact firearm (has good tight molding), and covers enough of the weapon that it does not need a retaining device to hold the weapon during strainuous activity. One less thing to practice doing, one less thing to preform during "fight or flight" when your fine motor skills have gone to shit. |
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Pondering a few things now, and how I ought to train.
When I can manage to take the time to get to an MD class, I was just going to bring a TT MAV for my PMAGs, which could indeed be the way I'd need to train in case I get sent on a deployment downrange (aircraft maintainer on air/air fighters, not a lot of call for us, so I've not gone yet). But at home, my set up for hanging off the bedpost or in the trunk is with the mags in one of these: Hawkepak bag So I guess I should also do some training where I draw my mags from the bag slung over the shoulder, yes? Anyone ever done that in a MD class? If so, how'd it work? |
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Pondering a few things now, and how I ought to train. When I can manage to take the time to get to an MD class, I was just going to bring a TT MAV for my PMAGs, which could indeed be the way I'd need to train in case I get sent on a deployment downrange (aircraft maintainer on air/air fighters, not a lot of call for us, so I've not gone yet). But at home, my set up for hanging off the bedpost or in the trunk is with the mags in one of these: Hawkepak bag So I guess I should also do some training where I draw my mags from the bag slung over the shoulder, yes? Anyone ever done that in a MD class? If so, how'd it work? I can not speak for those at Magpul classes (I am signed up for Carbine class in Sept 2010)There a acouple of guys out here that shoot rifle/carbine matches out a larger version of that bag. |
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I was planning on running my mags off of my belt, am I to understand that I should have a MOLLE belt instead? I don't remember seeing them in the Magpul Dynamics videos. I know someone is going to say it's a personal preference, but I don't care about my preference. If someone who has been there and done that tells me it's better and this is why then I will change my mindset to adapt.
Thank you once again for all the advice, at this rate I might even be prepared by the time the Alaska class rolls around. |
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Go with the above but ditch the Serpa holster if it has the trigger release (no offense). Run the holster on your belt if you have room because you can't generally wear a leg rig in public so why train that way? c Why? I think I know, but am curious to your thought on them. If you google it ("problems with SERPA holster") you can make a decision for yourself. All that aside if I am a civilian and drawling from under a jacket/concellment do I need a holster with a trigger release? Am not a target for a gun grabber. Blackhawk takes a holster and skeltonizes to make it faster on the draw and then adds a retention device so that the weapon will stay in it. A better solution is to go with a kydex holster that was molded for you exact firearm (has good tight molding), and covers enough of the weapon that it does not need a retaining device to hold the weapon during strainuous activity. One less thing to practice doing, one less thing to preform during "fight or flight" when your fine motor skills have gone to shit. Very good points, thanks. |
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I think the answer is how much stuff do you want to put on it? I have seen some guys who basically took everything off their chest rig and put it on there belt. Those guys need a MOLLE belt or more specifically a padded belt (and maybe suspenders). Some guys have no padding on their hip bones and for them to have any load out at all they go with a padded MOLLE. If you only have MOLLE pouches then you would probably best be served with a MOLLE belt. Realize that there you may have some challenges mounting your pistol holster to the MOLLE belt.
As to using a belt, you need a good stiff belt, and the belt should match the openings in your holster/pouches as closely as possible (to limit pouch movement). Several of the vendors sell a MOLLE pad and you have to add your own belt to it. You can order your belt and try it with your load-out and if it is uncomfortable playing around on the range then it will not work at a 2-3 day MD class. You can then order a padded MOLLE set up and try the two together. Keep in mind that the pads require a belt larger than you normally wear because the pads thickness. |
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If you google it ("problems with SERPA holster") you can make a decision for yourself. Didn't they already address the problem with a redesign? |
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Pondering a few things now, and how I ought to train. When I can manage to take the time to get to an MD class, I was just going to bring a TT MAV for my PMAGs, which could indeed be the way I'd need to train in case I get sent on a deployment downrange (aircraft maintainer on air/air fighters, not a lot of call for us, so I've not gone yet). But at home, my set up for hanging off the bedpost or in the trunk is with the mags in one of these: Hawkepak bag So I guess I should also do some training where I draw my mags from the bag slung over the shoulder, yes? Anyone ever done that in a MD class? If so, how'd it work? You can, but I never advise wearing something that does not work for you 98% of the time... People have forgotten the point of a "GO BAG" gobags were not built for the shooter that needs to grab his rifle a couple of mags and go... It was built originally for Direct action and PSD units that needed a sustainment bag so they could run lighter and then in case they needed to go back to vehicle to rekit after a fight or incase the vehicle goes down and they plan on being on the X or in the AO for an extended period of time. Again the purpose is sustainment. You get in a active gunfight and all you have is a gobag on you can expect to loose half your mags in the event you need to go prone jump over an obsticle etc... I have yet seen someone successfully finish out one of our courses with just a gobag and not a have issues. As for your case I asume that you would be wearing this for comfort while working around aircraft on the Tarmack? Then I can see you getting tired of carrying this on a daily basis, it can get very heavy. Again I would refer back to something like a Raven belt for comfort and keep your gobag or your vest-flak or issue armour close by in the event of worst case senario. Here is my ammo theory and how it dictates my gear/ammo setup: 90 rounds will get you out of most any contact, meaning to eliminate the threat or will get you to a posistion to sustain the fight to where you can consolidate ammo from other places/sources: 30: First mag in the gun 60: On belt or in Redimag for fast reloads under stress 90: On belt 200+/-:The rest: on armor, chest rig, or gobag. If you are running more than 90 rounds in the initial contact you are either wasting ammo, a SAW or CRWSRV gunner, or in a all of the sudden Alamo situation (Hey it can happen) and then something is very very wrong... Bottom line think smart, think 1% 1% LINKrule and that will automatically make your decision on gear purchase and place your gear where you need it. |
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Interesting insight, Travis, thank you. I will definitely give it thought.
The bag actually, as I said, was more for having a compact and somewhat discreet method to stash mags in the trunk, if I needed to. If I was to get deployed and be issued a rifle/carbine, I'd take and use a good chest rig rather than the bag. I've always seen the bag as something that has limitations, but has the virtue of being able to grab six mags and go quickly if need be. I've never even tried to carry mags on a belt before, I'll have to experiment. Really, when it all boils down to it, I'm just a guy who almost certainly will never have need of practice or training on fighting with a carbine, I just like to know how to properly use what I have, and if I ever did have need of those skills, I'd rather have them than not. I'm under no illusions, I know I'm a noob with noob questions, no problem, so thank you for bearing with the questions and providing good answers that are more than "do it this way!", answers which make me sit and think on what would actually be best. |
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Hey Travis in reference to the Gobag you should ask Costa about the Blue bag wearing AK wielding gobag master we had at our July Racine class I wish I could remember his user name. He astonished us all with his ability to pull out exactly what he needed every time on time. |
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personally i wouldnt go out and buy a rig for the class
youve spent money on gear already, you bought it to use it. I wouldnt go to a class with a rig i bought for only the class, i would use what i already had because thats what i bought it for. if you train with a plate carrier, then pulling mags from a chest rig will be cake about the serpra stuff, i just checked out the only serpa holster i have which is one for my 1911 an dosent look like there could be a ND looks like it just barely has enough room for the trigger guard to snap in |
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personally i wouldnt go out and buy a rig for the class youve spent money on gear already, you bought it to use it. I wouldnt go to a class with a rig i bought for only the class, i would use what i already had because thats what i bought it for. if you train with a plate carrier, then pulling mags from a chest rig will be cake about the serpra stuff, i just checked out the only serpa holster i have which is one for my 1911 an dosent look like there could be a ND looks like it just barely has enough room for the trigger guard to snap in I wouldn't be spending on anything new, I've already got some nice chest rig set ups for... yeah, I know... airsoft. And for anyone about to give shit, lighten up, it's a fun hobby, that's it. |
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personally i wouldnt go out and buy a rig for the class youve spent money on gear already, you bought it to use it. I wouldnt go to a class with a rig i bought for only the class, i would use what i already had because thats what i bought it for. if you train with a plate carrier, then pulling mags from a chest rig will be cake about the serpra stuff, i just checked out the only serpa holster i have which is one for my 1911 an dosent look like there could be a ND looks like it just barely has enough room for the trigger guard to snap in I wouldn't be spending on anything new, I've already got some nice chest rig set ups for... yeah, I know... airsoft. And for anyone about to give shit, lighten up, it's a fun hobby, that's it. I have an ICS m4 set up like my carbine that i use in my apartment when im at school. airsoft can be a good way to practice |
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personally i wouldnt go out and buy a rig for the class youve spent money on gear already, you bought it to use it. I wouldnt go to a class with a rig i bought for only the class, i would use what i already had because thats what i bought it for. if you train with a plate carrier, then pulling mags from a chest rig will be cake about the serpra stuff, i just checked out the only serpa holster i have which is one for my 1911 an dosent look like there could be a ND looks like it just barely has enough room for the trigger guard to snap in I wouldn't be spending on anything new, I've already got some nice chest rig set ups for... yeah, I know... airsoft. And for anyone about to give shit, lighten up, it's a fun hobby, that's it. I have an ICS m4 set up like my carbine that i use in my apartment when im at school. airsoft can be a good way to practice Gonna try an experiment, and take the Hawkepak bag with me next time I play. Pulled my PMAGs out of it, dropped the PTW mags in (the metal ones are a nice weight, better than my Lancer PTW mags, but sooo much looser/likely to fall out than the 5.56 loaded PMAGs were), and see what happens. I generally try to discourage myself from drawing too many parallels between AS and reality, but I really don't know just how much the disadvantages of the bag will screw me up unless I try. Pity that hop ups make trying urban prone so inadvisable. |
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There is some damn good info in here- I have actually contemplated running a shoulder bag at a class. As a civvie, if I am truly in grab and go mode, I will grabbing a bag and a rifle and running. I am currently pondering AR mag set ups for a bag I currently EDC.
Also contemplating the belt set up- though I do have an ESSTAC A1 BOAR rig, I have never run it and not COMPLETELY sure how practical this would be for anything other than direct action/mission readiness. Like a trainer once said of us civilians, though- "If you actually have to use your rifle in a tactical situation, there is something SERIOUSLY fucked up with your social skills!" |
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This seems to be the most practical/popular now a days and what we run... http://ravenconcealment.com/img/products/magazines/PhantomRifle.jpg as for a chest rig something simple like this rig from BravoCompanyUSA: LINK I'm using the BCM rig in the HVWM class next week. I'll post how it works out. |
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This seems to be the most practical/popular now a days and what we run... http://ravenconcealment.com/img/products/magazines/PhantomRifle.jpg as for a chest rig something simple like this rig from BravoCompanyUSA: LINK What belt do you recommend using with this mag pouch and the Raven Concealment holsters? Do you and Costa prefer the same belt for your Magpul Dynamics classes? |
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My chest rig can probably hold enough ammo I won't need to top up at lunch. I might pare it down a bit.
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Hey Travis in reference to the Gobag you should ask Costa about the Blue bag wearing AK wielding gobag master we had at our July Racine class I wish I could remember his user name. He astonished us all with his ability to pull out exactly what he needed every time on time. rogueI |
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So as a civie it seems some of my priorities have been a little out of place:
1. My actual 1% would be using my handgun because I am carrying concealed. So I should take a handgun class, practice mostly with my concealment holster on the belt and an extra mag. 2. My 0.1% would be using my AR for home defense, in which case I am naked, half asleep, and just have to roll out with the one mag in the gun while my wife sits in our bedroom with the glock. So no time for a belt, or chest rig or whatever. Not that I'm gonna go practice naked at the range, haha. 3. My 0.00001% would be when the SHTF and I would be using my chest rig with 6mags plus the one in the AR. I never have my AR and belt gear with me in the truck unless I am heading to the range, so as a civie why would I emphasize training with that? and I am genuinely asking. It seems to me then that carbine classes are mostly training civilians for a SHTF situation, more than any other situation we would ever encounter. I'm just having a hard time thinking of a situation in which I would ever empty an entire mag, need two or three extras and a secondary to go to and also ready with extra mags. One, if that's the case, I'm screwed, and two, I don't think I would have time to throw all my gear on (ex. home invasion with 8-10 guys, and yes I know that happens and has happened, but would I really have time to throw on a belt and my secondary and extra mags, or would I just be grabbing my AR with the one mag in it and hoping that lasts until I can get to my extra gear?). Now I still would love to take every carbine class available just cause I love the stuff, but wouldn't it be much more practical for a civilian to take multiple handgun classes before even thinking about a carbine class, or run with one mag at a carbine course? Because if I ever have to mag change in my own house for self defense, I am in a buttload of doodoo, not that I am not ready to do it, it just seems very impractical for me to place an emphasis on practicing that before I am a master with the handgun. Just wondering if I am completely off base? |
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So as a civie it seems some of my priorities have been a little out of place: 1. My actual 1% would be using my handgun because I am carrying concealed. So I should take a handgun class, practice mostly with my concealment holster on the belt and an extra mag. 2. My 0.1% would be using my AR for home defense, in which case I am naked, half asleep, and just have to roll out with the one mag in the gun while my wife sits in our bedroom with the glock. So no time for a belt, or chest rig or whatever. Not that I'm gonna go practice naked at the range, haha. 3. My 0.00001% would be when the SHTF and I would be using my chest rig with 6mags plus the one in the AR. I never have my AR and belt gear with me in the truck unless I am heading to the range, so as a civie why would I emphasize training with that? and I am genuinely asking. It seems to me then that carbine classes are mostly training civilians for a SHTF situation, more than any other situation we would ever encounter. I'm just having a hard time thinking of a situation in which I would ever empty an entire mag, need two or three extras and a secondary to go to and also ready with extra mags. One, if that's the case, I'm screwed, and two, I don't think I would have time to throw all my gear on (ex. home invasion with 8-10 guys, and yes I know that happens and has happened, but would I really have time to throw on a belt and my secondary and extra mags, or would I just be grabbing my AR with the one mag in it and hoping that lasts until I can get to my extra gear?). Now I still would love to take every carbine class available just cause I love the stuff, but wouldn't it be much more practical for a civilian to take multiple handgun classes before even thinking about a carbine class, or run with one mag at a carbine course? Because if I ever have to mag change in my own house for self defense, I am in a buttload of doodoo, not that I am not ready to do it, it just seems very impractical for me to place an emphasis on practicing that before I am a master with the handgun. Just wondering if I am completely off base? Looks to me like you answered your own question. Take a handgun class if you've never taken any classes, especially if you carry on a daily basis. For most people their pistol will be their primary in bad situation but the carbine classes sure are fun, even if you feel they won't be practical training for you. |
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Quoted: I ran two AR mags on my belt for my primary reloads, and used an Eagle M4 Chest Rig for additional spares. This setup worked very well at the Dynamic Carbine 1 class I attended. http://www.skdtac.com/v/vspfiles/photos/EAG.563-2T.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/topgunpilot20/Guns/belt_rig_01_web.jpg My AR mags are on the right side because I run rifles left handed and pistols right handed. Question to what kinda belt setup that is? I know the chest rig is an Eagle M4. |
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I ran two AR mags on my belt for my primary reloads, and used an Eagle M4 Chest Rig for additional spares. This setup worked very well at the Dynamic Carbine 1 class I attended. http://www.skdtac.com/v/vspfiles/photos/EAG.563-2T.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/topgunpilot20/Guns/belt_rig_01_web.jpg My AR mags are on the right side because I run rifles left handed and pistols right handed. I'm in the same boat: shooting rifles lefty and pistols righty. I'm setting up a belt with mags located in the same spots as yours. Basically, I envision one of three scenarios to prepare for: 1. Home Invasion - I have my primary AR setup with a Redi-Mod. T-1 and TLR-1. I don't have time to cowboy-up; I need a gun in my hand NOW and this gives me the fastest way to meet a threat with maximum rounds. 2. Active shooter - Too many stories to recount or even discount. Just last year, we had a gang banger open up on a NYS trooper and passing traffic with an AK47 on a major highway in broad daylight. video of shooter I travel this stretch occassionally for work so this made me rethink just having a pistol on hand. I also work in a large office building that just had an armed robbery a couple of months ago. Shit can happen anytime, anywhere. My gear setup involves securing a basic carbine with an EOTech and a gear belt that can be quickly snapped on in my trunk. Two AR mags on the right side of the belt, kydex holster, two pistol mags on left, a small med pack, and one loose mag to be slapped into the AR. It's the quickest AR etup that I can jump into while adhering to NY's laws. 3. Protect the Alamo - Some kind of natural disaster, psycho on the loose, blackout, or civil unrest is taking place and its time to hunker down. I'll click on the belt mentioned above and possibly my Eagle Universal chest rig. This actually occurred once when a guy from Denver flew into Albany and shot his ex-wife. The elementary school just 1 1/2 miles away went into lockdown. We have woods behind the house leading to a municipal walkway/biking trail and NYSP helicopters flew overhead day and night looking for the guy. I was armed to the teeth in case he showed up, but fortunately he was caught the following day...a mere 2-3 miles away. So for my purposes, I'm most likely to take a class using the belt setup as my primary method for carrying mags. |
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You don't have to look really all that far to realize that something bad, catastrophic even can happen fairly quickly. Look Haiti, look at Katrina. If you know any responders who were there in the aftermath of 9th ward, they'll tell you just how bad it got. It was pure lawlessness from what I was told by emergency crews who went up there to lend a hand. I distinctly remember my friends husband telling us about the bullet holes in their firetruck they came home with. Hell, back in the day, I volunteered to help after Andrew wiped out Homestead. I distinctly remember hiding with my group about to shit myself because of the number of gunshots we were hearing. I'm not a fear monger and I'm not the doom and gloom sort. I think most of keep thinking about our total country in chaos with millions of people going batshit shooting each other. That's not gonna happen. But a hurricane, a big enough earthquake,flood... whatever that can cause a break in control, convenience, and livability for any length of time will breed violence. On what scale depends on how big the event. You don't have to have 2/3 of the country in chaos, you need something bad happening in your neck of the woods. I working to put together two primary setups, a vest/chest rig for a more immediate situation where I would have to defend my home and an LVB which is going to be more for I decide I have to leave my home. |
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I ran two AR mags on my belt for my primary reloads, and used an Eagle M4 Chest Rig for additional spares. This setup worked very well at the Dynamic Carbine 1 class I attended. http://www.skdtac.com/v/vspfiles/photos/EAG.563-2T.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/topgunpilot20/Guns/belt_rig_01_web.jpg My AR mags are on the right side because I run rifles left handed and pistols right handed. I'm in the same boat: shooting rifles lefty and pistols righty. I'm setting up a belt with mags located in the same spots as yours. Basically, I envision one of three scenarios to prepare for: 1. Home Invasion - I have my primary AR setup with a Redi-Mod. T-1 and TLR-1. I don't have time to cowboy-up; I need a gun in my hand NOW and this gives me the fastest way to meet a threat with maximum rounds. 2. Active shooter - Too many stories to recount or even discount. Just last year, we had a gang banger open up on a NYS trooper and passing traffic with an AK47 on a major highway in broad daylight. video of shooter I travel this stretch occassionally for work so this made me rethink just having a pistol on hand. I also work in a large office building that just had an armed robbery a couple of months ago. Shit can happen anytime, anywhere. My gear setup involves securing a basic carbine with an EOTech and a gear belt that can be quickly snapped on in my trunk. Two AR mags on the right side of the belt, kydex holster, two pistol mags on left, a small med pack, and one loose mag to be slapped into the AR. It's the quickest AR etup that I can jump into while adhering to NY's laws. 3. Protect the Alamo - Some kind of natural disaster, psycho on the loose, blackout, or civil unrest is taking place and its time to hunker down. I'll click on the belt mentioned above and possibly my Eagle Universal chest rig. This actually occurred once when a guy from Denver flew into Albany and shot his ex-wife. The elementary school just 1 1/2 miles away went into lockdown. We have woods behind the house leading to a municipal walkway/biking trail and NYSP helicopters flew overhead day and night looking for the guy. I was armed to the teeth in case he showed up, but fortunately he was caught the following day...a mere 2-3 miles away. So for my purposes, I'm most likely to take a class using the belt setup as my primary method for carrying mags. I dont' have any rigs for anything... well... I Do have a bug out bag in teh closet! I'm seriously considering the Eagle chest rigs or that BCM one. The BCM one has some features that I really like, but the price of the Eagle rig is hard to beat. I'll probably go with teh BCM rig though... -ZA |
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What brand of belt rig is this? This is exactly what I'm looking for. |
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I think it's this one isn't it? If not this Eagle one sure is close :)
http://www.skdtac.com/Eagle_Padded_Belt_Molle_p/eag.507.htm |
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Since this thread has devolved, I'll put in my comments and OPINIONS on Go-Bags.
I recently picked up a chest rig. It is a Tactical Tailor MAV with a 3 AR shingle, 2 pistol mag pouches and a flashlight holster. I don't see how a go bag would be any faster/easier/better than a go-bag/BOB for Home Defense. 1) The Mav setup with minimal gear is small enough to fold up and fit in a bedside drawer or under the bed. A TT Mini-MAV style would be even smaller. 2) Getting into a chest rig is not very complicated. You slip it over your head and stick your arms through and buckle the belt. If you are short on time you can sling it over your shoulder like a go bag, or forgo the waist buckle to save time. 3) I am a 'pistol for HD' guy so the chest rig gives me the option to strap a holster and gun to it and carry pistol mags. It eliminates the need to throw a belt and holster on in the middle of the night when all you are wearing is your PJs (at most.) A rig the size of the MAV could be configured to supply a Pistol, shotgun and rifle all at once without becoming too cumbersome. 4) It keeps your shit from dumping all over if you were to do any serious activity. For HD you don't need a rig with 9 rifle mags, a FAK, Blowout kit, hydration bladder, radio pouch, etc. If you simplfy it to what you will realistically need a chest rig will serve just as good or better than a go bag. I see two problems with a Chest Rig vs a go-bag: 1) concealment: A go-bag just looks like a man-purse or laptop bag. If you sling it over your bedpost, any guest who may see it won't have a clue to its contents. You cannot get around a Chest Rig looking like 'army gear' and any guest who may see it is going to freak out, finger fuck it, or ask a bunch of questions. 2) Speed of installation: A go-bag usually has one strap and can be thrown on quickly. However, once you start manipulateing the covers and belt attachment points you start to lose some of the speed advantage. When you trip on the hotwheel car your kid left in the hallway and your mags go flying you just lost any time advantage you had. * I am a 'pistol for HD' guy. I am also a 'stay in the fucking bedroom and watch the door as you call 911' guy. I don't have any kids or anyone else in the house I'd need to leave the room to secure, so that works for me. YMMV. |
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I ran two AR mags on my belt for my primary reloads, and used an Eagle M4 Chest Rig for additional spares. This setup worked very well at the Dynamic Carbine 1 class I attended. http://www.skdtac.com/v/vspfiles/photos/EAG.563-2T.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/topgunpilot20/Guns/belt_rig_01_web.jpg My AR mags are on the right side because I run rifles left handed and pistols right handed. Eagle M4 with one set of pistol pouches. Great minimalist rig. Add on another pair of pistol pouches and 2 double mag AR pouches for a full rig when you need it. The pistol pouches can fit on the side, or in front of the sewn on ar pouches. |
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I picked up BCM's new chest rig. I am very impressed with how well it worked on the range. I had no troubles accessing the mags or pistol off of my belt. The rig is well made, I had no trouble with the mags on my chest flopping around at all, even as I was dropping to the ground to work on my urban prone and other ground positions. The only downside is the price is a bit steep IMO.
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I ran two AR mags on my belt for my primary reloads, and used an Eagle M4 Chest Rig for additional spares. This setup worked very well at the Dynamic Carbine 1 class I attended. http://www.skdtac.com/v/vspfiles/photos/EAG.563-2T.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/topgunpilot20/Guns/belt_rig_01_web.jpg My AR mags are on the right side because I run rifles left handed and pistols right handed. I dig that belt setup (left eye, right hand here as well ) |
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Sounds to me like you were successful in your class...Glad to hear it. From my experience, MD will push you both mentally and physically. I definitely learned a lot about my kit when I went through DC 2 and have made adjustments since.
Lessons learned for me... -Level 2 Serpa holster on a drop leg platform failed me when I went urban prone. I picked up a lot of dirt and grit in the release mechanism and when I went to draw, it was stuck. That, to me, gets chalked up as an epic fail. I have since changed holsters and would only use the leg rig for certain situations. I'm with Chris...you are most likely going to run it on your hip. -Running secondary mags in front sucks when your Primary goes down and you drop it right on top of your secondary mags. Then you have to fight a rifle while trying to reload. -Optic batteries will die...Learned to flip sights up quickly. My current setup is all Primary mags go in front on my armor carrier (6 mags) Secondary mags go on my left (3 Mags). I'm a right handed shooter so my left side is completely slick (thanks again Chris). This is a system that I would train with because of my job, that is primarily what I would wear. I keep a "go bag" but that would be strictly for a quick split and run to carry re-supply mags along with the rest of the stuff in there. I agree with a lot of the comments though...not everyone is going to carry around a full chest rig with them let alone even the rifle to use it with. Train for YOUR worst scenario with equipment you feel comfortable using and is practical for you. I learned a lot more about gear and techniques, those 3 above were ones that stuck out to me. Stay safe. |
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Go with the above but ditch the Serpa holster if it has the trigger release (no offense). Run the holster on your belt if you have room because you can't generally wear a leg rig in public so why train that way? c Great point |
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Sounds to me like you were successful in your class...Glad to hear it. From my experience, MD will push you both mentally and physically. I definitely learned a lot about my kit when I went through DC 2 and have made adjustments since. Lessons learned for me... -Level 2 Serpa holster on a drop leg platform failed me when I went urban prone. I picked up a lot of dirt and grit in the release mechanism and when I went to draw, it was stuck. That, to me, gets chalked up as an epic fail. I have since changed holsters and would only use the leg rig for certain situations. I'm with Chris...you are most likely going to run it on your hip. -Running secondary mags in front sucks when your Primary goes down and you drop it right on top of your secondary mags. Then you have to fight a rifle while trying to reload. -Optic batteries will die...Learned to flip sights up quickly. My current setup is all Primary mags go in front on my armor carrier (6 mags) Secondary mags go on my left (3 Mags). I'm a right handed shooter so my left side is completely slick (thanks again Chris). This is a system that I would train with because of my job, that is primarily what I would wear. I keep a "go bag" but that would be strictly for a quick split and run to carry re-supply mags along with the rest of the stuff in there. I agree with a lot of the comments though...not everyone is going to carry around a full chest rig with them let alone even the rifle to use it with. Train for YOUR worst scenario with equipment you feel comfortable using and is practical for you. I learned a lot more about gear and techniques, those 3 above were ones that stuck out to me. Stay safe. good points. thanx. never thought about trying to reload the secondary with mags covered by the primary. sux about the serpa too. |
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Will the Raven Concelment Kydex Mag holder work with the PMag contours.
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Raven Concealment makes kydex mag holders specifically for PMags.
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Raven Concealment makes kydex mag holders specifically for PMags. The Pmag version will work with any mag out there. |
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