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Posted: 6/9/2016 8:50:56 PM EDT
I've never been in the market for a dedicated precision trigger in an AR. What should I be looking in to?
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Posted: 6/9/2016 10:35:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HighpowerRifleBrony]
[#1]
In my circle, 2-stage is the best. If you're not bound by any rules, 2.5 - 3lbs is about the lowest pull weight you want.
LaRue MBT and Geissele Hi-Speed are the cool kids, though an RRA or DPMS will likely serve just as well. Wisconsin Trigger Company is bringing back the Milazzo-Krieger - the granddaddy of 2-stage AR triggers. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 11:58:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: desertmoon]
[#2]
I'm running SSA-Es on my precision guns. A damn good trigger. Man, once they break in a bit....they are incredible.
ArmaLite's two stage is damn nice and so is the Larue. |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 4:37:17 AM EDT
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My fave out of mine is the Geissele National Match. Got a LaRue MBT on order, and if it works as well as the reports, it's likely the best bang for your buck right now.
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Posted: 6/10/2016 9:40:10 AM EDT
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I have a SSA-E and the Dmr. For a all around trigger the SSA E is the way to go. If you really want to brake the perfect shot on a target gun, the DMR/National Match is the way to go.
Jmo |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 6/10/2016 1:47:01 PM EDT
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I run SSA and Armalite NM two stage and I'm happy with both. I used to run the GA DMR trigger but I had problems with it after a while.
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Posted: 6/10/2016 1:51:19 PM EDT
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I've got an MBT right now, I'm pretty sure it will be coming out for a High Speed Match before long. That's not saying bad things about the MBT, it's just heavier than I want. I would like a sub 1lb second stage and the High Speed Match is one of the few games in town. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 6/10/2016 3:31:07 PM EDT
[#7]
My SPR has a SSA-E and its great.
But thinking of changing to a Super Match for a lighter pull |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 7:06:43 PM EDT
[#8]
SSA-E and a timney 3lb.
Next will be an elffman |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 10:23:51 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
I've got an MBT right now, I'm pretty sure it will be coming out for a High Speed Match before long. That's not saying bad things about the MBT, it's just heavier than I want. I would like a sub 1lb second stage and the High Speed Match is one of the few games in town. If the MBT second stage was 8-12 ounces lighter it would be the perfect precision trigger, IMHO. Even so, I still much prefer the MBT-2S to an SSA-E in my paper/steel/coyote guns. For $125 it's an absolute steal. |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 11:23:15 PM EDT
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I just had a failure in my HS-match. Not sure what happened but there was 0 overtravel after the break and it felt funny. Very different from normal. I couldn't replicate it and it's running normally now. A little disconcerting since I have a match tomorrow with it.
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Posted: 6/10/2016 11:28:28 PM EDT
[#11]
I run Geissele SD-E's in all my LaRue's...
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Posted: 6/10/2016 11:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lennyo3034: I just had a failure in my HS-match. Not sure what happened but there was 0 overtravel after the break and it felt funny. Very different from normal. I couldn't replicate it and it's running normally now. A little disconcerting since I have a match tomorrow with it. |
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Posted: 6/11/2016 11:48:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Calculating]
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Eta: Drunken repost
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LA, USA
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Posted: 6/11/2016 12:35:09 PM EDT
[#14]
I'm running a POF because o got it in a trade. Its pretty nice.
Fundamentals will help more than the difference between good triggers. Decide between single stage or 2 stage. Get a good one and practice practice practice. Aimsurplus has that one for $99, might get one to try out. |
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Posted: 6/11/2016 1:43:06 PM EDT
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I use the Geissele SSA-E in an AR10 and just moved it to a Larue Stealth build after selling the AR10. Breaks just right for me.
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Posted: 6/11/2016 2:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Let us know how it goes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By Lennyo3034:
I just had a failure in my HS-match. Not sure what happened but there was 0 overtravel after the break and it felt funny. Very different from normal. I couldn't replicate it and it's running normally now. A little disconcerting since I have a match tomorrow with it. A flake or two of unburned powder? Blown primer? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/11/2016 5:29:37 PM EDT
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I'm using the Geissele G2S in both my 6.5 Grendel and my .223 rifle that I just started building. I don't have the money for $250+ triggers but I do like the G2S and I think it's a good compromise.
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Posted: 6/11/2016 8:10:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3-gun:
A flake or two of unburned powder? Blown primer? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3-gun:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By Lennyo3034:
I just had a failure in my HS-match. Not sure what happened but there was 0 overtravel after the break and it felt funny. Very different from normal. I couldn't replicate it and it's running normally now. A little disconcerting since I have a match tomorrow with it. A flake or two of unburned powder? Blown primer? Ran it very very hard today with no issues. I'm guessing debris but I'm still on my way home and haven't taken it apart yet. Heres 15 aimed(ish) rounds in a little more than 5 secs, 300 yards. Won that stage. I managed to be able to hit the fast movers today but missed all the slow ones. 
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USA
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Posted: 6/11/2016 9:15:43 PM EDT
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JP Rifles Competition Trigger Group is at Midway for 114.00, which is an absolute screaming deal. These are single stage triggers in the 3lb range. I have ran many quality AR triggers, but for precision work, there is nothing that will beat a JP.
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Posted: 6/11/2016 10:03:34 PM EDT
[#20]
I walk a geissele on all of my ARs including the precision ones.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/11/2016 10:06:45 PM EDT
[#21]
No longer cool with the kids but and RRA 2stg and an RRA 2stg NM.
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Posted: 6/11/2016 10:07:46 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ag04blast:
No longer cool with the kids but and RRA 2stg and an RRA 2stg NM. You know I used one of those for a while, tell I broke it then replaced it with a geissele. |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 4:09:28 AM EDT
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I run a Geissele National Match triggers in my NM AR and my Bench AR.
I also use a Rock River two stage varmint trigger. 3.5 lbs pull if I recall correctly ( very nice for the cost. No adjustments) In my Spikes 9 mm AR i use the factory Spikes trigger with JP spring kit along with a little tweaking. Have the trigger from terrible to acceptable On the M4f Forgery I use the standard Mil spec trigger again with a JP spring kit and a bit if Tweaking. I intend to research JARD, American Gold and JP triggers as replacements for M4 plinker. The Gold American and the Geissele share a similar price point . Really more than I need to spend on a plinker. I may do some swapping triggers in a few rifles. I think a new lower is also in order. I |
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Posted: 6/13/2016 12:53:58 AM EDT
[#24]
SSA-E.
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Posted: 6/14/2016 3:08:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: You know I used one of those for a while, tell I broke it then replaced it with a geissele. Well there's your problem. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/14/2016 2:20:28 PM EDT
[#26]
SSA-E here on two guns. Im never using anything else.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/15/2016 12:26:34 AM EDT
[#27]
If it's going to be precision only then Hi Speed.
If it's going to be more of a recce/accurized carbine then SSA-E may be more appropriate. You can tune a Hi Speed to feel identical to an SSA-E, but that's extra money when the SSA-E is really great for snap shooting, shooting and moving, and precision all in one. That said, my Hi Speeds have made my SSA-Es feel like milspec triggers when I transition from one of my precision ARs to a carbine. They're that good. |
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Posted: 6/15/2016 12:49:40 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony:
In my circle, 2-stage is the best. If you're not bound by any rules, 2.5 - 3lbs is about the lowest pull weight you want. LaRue MBT and Geissele Hi-Speed are the cool kids, though an RRA or DPMS will likely serve just as well. Wisconsin Trigger Company is bringing back the Milazzo-Krieger - the granddaddy of 2-stage AR triggers. Millazo?.....as in Charlie? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 6/15/2016 8:49:20 AM EDT
[#29]
JP competition and hiperfire 24c. Much perfer the 24c.
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Posted: 6/15/2016 9:48:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MS556]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rideHPD:
If it's going to be precision only then Hi Speed. If it's going to be more of a recce/accurized carbine then SSA-E may be more appropriate. You can tune a Hi Speed to feel identical to an SSA-E, but that's extra money when the SSA-E is really great for snap shooting, shooting and moving, and precision all in one. That said, my Hi Speeds have made my SSA-Es feel like milspec triggers when I transition from one of my precision ARs to a carbine. They're that good. This. The attached group was shot this past Saturday during load development. I may be able to shrink it a bit with laddering. Details on the target. Omitted was identification the trigger, Geissele SSA-E. The 1.2 pound second stage helps. It is very crisp and easy to hold at the shelf between stages. I see no reason to give up the versatility of a more general purpose 3.5 lb. pull through to obtain precision accuracy. 
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Posted: 6/15/2016 8:10:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RANGER_556: Millazo?.....as in Charlie? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RANGER_556: Originally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: In my circle, 2-stage is the best. If you're not bound by any rules, 2.5 - 3lbs is about the lowest pull weight you want. LaRue MBT and Geissele Hi-Speed are the cool kids, though an RRA or DPMS will likely serve just as well. Wisconsin Trigger Company is bringing back the Milazzo-Krieger - the granddaddy of 2-stage AR triggers. Millazo?.....as in Charlie? http://www.wisconsintrigger.com/ |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2016 9:20:32 AM EDT
[#32]
I ordered an MBT-2S based on the comments above & selected "I can wait" discount, as optics & mount choices are still undecided for my 18" LR-308 'budget' build.
Thanks for all the input, everyone! |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 4:22:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: quartermaster]
[#33]
Upper tier- Geissele, American Trigger Corp. AR Gold Trigger Group , JP enterprise
Mid range- JARD ( damn fine unit) Rock river two stage varmint 3.5 lbs. Mil-spec. With a spring kit, a wee bet of stone work. There are other mods but it's best you google those yourself. I'm sure there are many more brands that would meet your needs, these are simply the triggers I have or have had. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 7:13:49 PM EDT
[#34]
SSA
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:42:45 PM EDT
[#35]
I've got an SSA-E in my MWS and a MBT-2S in my Larue predatar heavy. I really can't feel a big difference betwedn the two. Both are great triggers.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2016 1:24:32 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
You know I used one of those for a while, tell I broke it then replaced it with a geissele. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By ag04blast:
No longer cool with the kids but and RRA 2stg and an RRA 2stg NM. You know I used one of those for a while, tell I broke it then replaced it with a geissele. Well at the price I paid, they have been great triggers. I will continue to use them until they break/fail, we will see when that happens. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 9:13:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LaRue_Tactical]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anathema:
I ordered an MBT-2S based on the comments above & selected "I can wait" discount, as optics & mount choices are still undecided for my 18" LR-308 'budget' build. Thanks for all the input, everyone! I am told the MBT wait is now around 3 weeks. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 6/26/2016 10:47:30 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
I am told the MBT wait is now around 3 weeks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By anathema:
I ordered an MBT-2S based on the comments above & selected "I can wait" discount, as optics & mount choices are still undecided for my 18" LR-308 'budget' build. Thanks for all the input, everyone! I am told the MBT wait is now around 3 weeks. And worth every second once you settle in behind it. Currently waiting on my second and the third will be ordered within the next week. The three replaced "G" triggers will enjoy their life with someone else. Can't say enough good things about the MBT. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 10:50:01 PM EDT
[#39]
Geissele G2S-E on every AR, including my precision guns.
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Posted: 6/27/2016 12:23:45 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght: Geissele G2S-E on every AR, including my precision guns. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2016 5:01:12 PM EDT
[#41]
After noticing no mention, I must ask "Do Timney Triggers owners forum elsewhere?"
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Posted: 6/27/2016 6:58:01 PM EDT
[#42]
LaRue MBT
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:36:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wile_coyote]
[#43]
I've got Geissele SSA-E, SD-E and AR Gold. I like them all. The Geissele's are real nice, but the AR Gold has performed really well. I've really become accustomed to its stages. Helps that it is on my favorite rifle. That being said i would not have any concern if I switched back to one of the Geissele's, but I won't be doing that anytime soon. I may look into another AR Gold at some point.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:58:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: I'm going to try one of these. I don't want to drop the $270 for another High Speed Match, but I want a lighter second stage than my SD-C had or my MBT's have. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght: Geissele G2S-E on every AR, including my precision guns. I think they are great for the money. I have always preferred a good two stage. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:38:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Outrider]
[#45]
I've long been a Geissele SSA fan for general trigger use. I also have a SSA-E in a precision rig that has been very good.
I've picked up 3x LaRue MBTs as the price is too damn good to pass on and I like the feel of the wider trigger. I'm considering jumping up to a G Hi-Speed trigger for the precision rig. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 12:05:27 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: I've long been a Geissele SSA fan for general trigger use. I also have a SSA-E in a precision rig that has been very good. I've picked up 3x LaRue MBTs as the price is too damn good to pass on and I like the feel of the wider trigger. I'm considering jumping up to a G Hi-Speed trigger for the precision rig. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 7:00:52 PM EDT
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Slowly converting to MBT, trying hard to hold some in reserve for future builds but it's getting hard
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Posted: 7/9/2016 7:28:23 PM EDT
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Traded out the Timney 3lb for a Geissele hi speed national match.
Everything I'd read is true. Smooth and linear with a crisp break. I think I'll see the most benefit on longer shots 400yds+. |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 7:56:27 PM EDT
[#49]
SD-E
I won't use anything else! |
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Posted: 7/9/2016 9:06:57 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider:
I've long been a Geissele SSA fan for general trigger use. I also have a SSA-E in a precision rig that has been very good. I've picked up 3x LaRue MBTs as the price is too damn good to pass on and I like the feel of the wider trigger. I'm considering jumping up to a G Hi-Speed trigger for the precision rig. Thanks for letting us build you a few. 
"Meticulously Built Trigger shop" |
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