1 MOA ALL DAY LONG

Alright guys and girls, to time hit the range again.

Thanks to the previous folks that worked on this in the past  Stantonizm, ARFCOM originator  BillyDoubleU and to the Sniper's Hide originator.

Old threads

Akethan's 2013-2014  GD Thread

Stantonizm's

2013   MOA Thread

BillyDoubleU's

2012  Original ARFCOM thread

ARFcom MOA history

This is the Official “How Good Are You” thread of AR15.com

What is it? It’s a challenge to all to prove how good you really are with a rifle! Not sometimes but consistently.

Keep it simple 5 shot groups, 5 groups per target

1 MOA = 100 Yards = 1.047"
––––––––-50 Yards = 0.5235"
––––––––-25 Yards = 0.26175"

Top 25 for each division

Separate list of 1 MOA shooters and a separate list for .5 MOA shooters.

REMEMBER this, all 5 groups of 5 shots must AVERAGE 1 MOA to make the list and claim the title of being a 1 MOA shooter.

Doing one .99" group and four 1.5" groups does not equal a 1 MOA shooter, it means you got lucky once and you are a 1.398 MOA shooter (assuming a 100 yard target)

This is a challenge but don't be afraid to try it out and post, every possible rifle style has been listed with a category and a distance. It's all in good fun and to be honest about your abilities.

With that in mind here are the rules.

1. ONE sheet of paper, 8.5”x11” preferred and it MUST HAVE ALL 5 targets.

Meaning 1 sheet of paper with FIVE targets. NO INDIVIDUAL TARGETS. THEY WILL NOT COUNT.

2. On that 1 sheet of paper with 5 targets you shoot 5 groups of 5 shots each. (In one day)

3. Each group is measured OUTSIDE GREASE RING TO OUTSIDE GREASE RING with calipers (preferred) or tape rule in inches. Then subtract the diameter of one bullet IE if your shooting a .223 and your 5 shot group measures 1.13" you will subtract 0.224" to get a group of 0.906". If you are shooting a .22lr you will subtract 0.223", for a 308 you will subtract 0.308" (Remember- the more precise your measurement the better)

Some common measurements:
.172" - .17 HMR
.223" - .22 Short, Long, Long Rifle
.224" - .223 Remington, .22 WMR, .22 Hornet
.243" - .243 Winchester
.284" - 7mm-08 Remington, 7mm Mag
.308" - .308 Winchester, .30-06, .300 Mag
.311" - 7.62x39 Soviet, .303 British
.338" - .338 Mag

4. NO MECHANICAL REST/SLED, NO VICE OR SIMILAR DEVICE THAT SUPPORTS THE ENITRE RIFLE, NO SHOOTING JACKETS, NO STRAPPING THE GUN INTO ANYTHING, NO LARGE REAR SANDBAG ** OR REST. SHOOTER MUST HAVE POSITIVE CONTROL OF RIFLE.

THE POINT IS TO SEE HOW GOOD YOU SHOOT, NOT HOW WELL YOU CAN MOUNT IT IN A MACHINE.

5. OK TO USE sandbag, rest, ruck, bipod, rock with a hat, sling etc. on forearm of the rifle.

**Will be OK to use a small rear sandbag (ie: sand sock or squeeze bag) or bean bag  that must require constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

IE. Can NOT sandbag gun in place. Shooter must maintain positive control of rifle. No formed or V-shaped rests/bags

Some approved bags

Triad Red Tac

Triad Wedgie

CrossTac Squeeze bag

Accuracy First shooting bag

*** After much gnashing of the teeth we'll set the limit of size at the largest bag on the list which is 96 C.I.  Try to stay at or below this.

But remember that there must be constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

IE. Can NOT sandbag gun in place. Shooter must maintain positive control of rifle. No formed or V-shaped rests/bags. I'm sure someone will IM me or bitch about this but I can't make everyone happy. Have Fun!

6. Shooting position is up to you, sitting, standing, prone.

7. Posting:

1st picture of target set at the range you are shooting. If you are shooting more than one rifle at the same range using the same pic is okay.

2nd picture with 5 groups of 5 shots each, next to them write down group size.

3rd picture with calipers (or tape rule) left in place over BEST group.

4th picture of rifle and shooting setup (ie. Sandbag, prone and so on). Post all4 pics and also type in the post your 5 group sizes and what the average is. IE. .99”, 1.5”, 1.5”, 1.5”, 1.5” add them up, equals 6.99” and divide by five. So 6.99/5 = 1.398”

You can use the MOA formula, either way I will check the math and post the MOA on the result list.

For those of you who would like to use ontarget,   http://ontargetshooting.com/

Also type up specs of your rifle and ammo IE. Rem 700 with 168gr Federal SMK or Colt AR15 18" with Wolf 55gr FMJ or AK with 125gr Hand Loads PLEASE INCLUDE AMMO USED

*** Please include result at the end of your post in the final format:

Division you wish to be listed under with range, User_Name: Rifle Manufacturer and caliber - notable customizations- Scope- Ammo. Groups: 1"/2"/3"/4"/5" = avg. 3" = .287 MOA

If you do not post in this format or leave anything out your post will not be included.

8. In each division you can only have your name up once per gun. Meaning that if you shoot the Iron Sight 22lr with your 10/22 and average a 1.65” group and lets say place 4th. If you use that same gun and do worse, even if you would place better then someone else it will not count for your group. Best group counts.

Now if you then shoot Iron Sight 22lr with your M&P 15-22 and shoot better, say 1.25” average groups and place 2nd. Both that score and the 10/22 score will remain. Different guns will be allowed for different group rankings within a division. Best group counts.

This also goes for the 1 MOA list. Meaning only your best MOA will be ranked on the 1 MOA list BUT if you also shoot 1 MOA or less with a different rifle, that will also count and your name will be added to the list for each different rifle you shoot 1 MOA or less with.

9. Remember, this is NOT a Bullseye challenge, it's a Groups challenge.

10. Any and all ammo is fine I don't care if you use Factory loads or your super secret Hand Load that Moses gave you.

11. Ties in average will go to the shooter with the smallest group.

Service Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A1 etc style weapons)
Iron sights at 50 yards

Non-Magnified Optic at 50 yards

SPR Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A etc WITH magnified optics) **See rule 5
100 yards

Bolt Division with magnified optics (any precision gun) ** See rule 5
100 yards

And for cheapness a 22lr Division

Any 22lr rifle with iron sights at 25 yards

Any 22lr rifle with non-magnified optic at 50 yards

Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 50 yards

Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 100 yards

Misc Small Bore Division
Any .17HMR/.17HM2/.17Fireball/.22WMR/.22 Hornet etc etc etc with any sighting system (Irons/nonmagnified/magnified) at 100 yards **See Rule 5

Unlimited Division
Catch-all class for anyone wishing to use a lead-sled, large sandbag set-up, or other assisting device prohibited from the other classes. 50yd minimum for non magnified optic rifles and 100 yd minimum for magnified optics of all calibers. Does not qualify you for MOA shooter list, but will be recognized as an MOA rifle owner. Further more if you have shot the same setup and are listed in a class you will not be eligible for unlimited. Let's not turn this into a full blown bench rest shoot.

Click to download target
Downloadable target

Small BFL Target

Modified 1MOA All Day Target MUAD hosted

ARFcom BFL w/grid target  LaRue hosted.

MOA formula

How many MOA equal 2 inches at 200 yards?
(inches / yards) x 100 = MOA
(2 inches / 200 yards) x 100 = 1 MOA

This is for those that want to put up an honest effort and show what they can do!

If you post a placeholder for a future attempt, be sure and notify me if you are not updated!

If entries start coming in and you post your results back on an earlier page, I might miss it if you don't point it out.

Does anyone have the file for the BFL target with grids? THe links in the first post aren't working for me.

Trying to get a new one up.  If anyone could help that would be great.  

Deleted.  Let's leave that in GD. - Old_Painless

Edited.

OK, so I shot this target at a measured 115 yards, according to my Leupold range finder.  I realize it is supposed to be at 100, but I didn't have enough ammo left to do it again.

Remington 700 Varmint, 2004 production, which includes H.S. Precision stock from the factory.  The only other mod to the rifle is that I had the barrel threaded for a suppressor that should be in my hands soon.
Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 4.5-14x40 Mil Dot.
Harris S BRM bipod.
Rear bag is just a home made flat sandbag.
Ammo was my hand loads:  168 grain Sierra BTHP over 41.3 grains of IMR 4895 with a Winchester primer and a C.O.L. of 2.800".









Bolt Division With Magnified Optics, 100 Yards? (target was actually shot at 115 yards)

MikeDeltaFoxtrot: Remington 700 Varmint - .308 Win.-barrel has been threaded – Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 4.5-14x40 Mil Dot – 168 grain Sierra BTHP, Win WLR Primer, 41.3 grains IMR 4895, C.O.L. = 2.800”.

Groups: 0.399”/ 0.767”/ 0.834”/ 0.494”/ 0.814” = avg. 0.662” = 0.553 MOA
Note: target was shot at 115 yards

Tag

Our brother at the NRA, Modern-Musket is very impressed with every one's shooting ability and the fact you are all out exercising your 2nd amendment  rights.

 He has secured some goodies to give away courtesy of the NRA.


 A shooting rest  Winner  GAhunter95









A laser bore sight kit.  Winner jwatts





NRA Assembly and Cleaning mats  Winners MikeDeltaFoxtrot, LuckyDucky, DPMMN, Sgtmack122 and Potss

This is really a non entry as I did not make it under 1 MOA and did not best my previous entry with the same rifle, but figured I'd post it anyway.  This rifle had never seen factory match ammo, I was trying to see what it could do with FGMM.  I was not very focused today and pulled a couple shots bad, so it's still not a good baseline for the rifle.  I think I'm going to shoot this again before the rifle gets rebarreled with an 18" stealth.

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Rifle: Frankenstein AR15 - 18" Ranier Ultramatch SPR, Larue MBT, Viking Tactics/Troy handguard, Bushnell DMR 3.5-21x

Shot with 77gr Federal Gold Medal Match

Akethan, the drawing is 8/3/16?
My "hunting" load didn't do bad, but I didn't beat my previous scoped entry.















It averages out to 0.84 MOA.

Fixed it

Well done brothers!

USA USA.

Winners drawn. Congratulations!


Winners please IM Modern-Musket your shipping info.



Thanks to the NRA and M-M for doing this!  


shooting rest Winner GAhunter95



laser bore sight kit. Winner jwatts


NRA Assembly and Cleaning mats Winners MikeDeltaFoxtrot, LuckyDucky, DPMMN, Sgtmack122 and Potss

Thanks MM and Akethan!  

Always brother....Remember I do what we do because of the help I receive from great folks like you!

Working together...We will prevail!

Thanks you very much!!

IM sent.

Shoot me a PM. I can host it with unlimited bandwidth.

outstanding!



 

Had a go over the holiday weekend, little slow getting it posted...

Range:



Setup:



Overall target:



Best group:



sommere54 - SPR with magnified optic, 100 yds - LT 20" barrel, MBT, JP SCS, Burris E1 4.5-14x, - handloads: 69 SMK, 23.4 gr. 8208 XBR - Groups: 0.378" + 0.566" + 0.676" + 0.756" + 0.794" = 3.17" / 5 = 0.634 / 1.047 = 0.606 MOA

Face454 20" Krieger Barrel home build .223, SWFA 20X scope, reloads: .623 / .996 / .493 / .579 / .342 = Average .5794 MOA

Range is 100 yards:




Smallest group with calipers zeroed out to .224:

curious as well.  Also what is the contour on the krieger?  Nice shooting on both.

Lol.  Thank you.

Recipe is as follows:

Lake City brass 2013 headstamp, 22.1 grains of 8208 XBR, 7 1/2 benchrest primers, and 77 SMK.  

This was my first time shooting this particular hand load recipe post load development.  Groups will keep getting tighter as I get this hand loading shit dialed in.

This is a DCM contour 20" Krieger barrel.  It has a 1/7 twist.

Nice shooting. If it weren't for that little bastard shot that got away from the rest, I think you would have been in the .4s.

Loading 25 good rounds and subsequently taking 25 good shots is easier said than done.

Actually that round got smashed and I fired it anyway. Next time I will bring 30 rounds in case one gets messed up. Lol

So the 2 targets I received to upload were the 25 moa pistol target, and a create your own moa all day? Does that sound correct? I thought the BFL moa all day is the one going up?

I'll upload them as soon as I have confirmation as to which I should be uploading.

Well done brother....!!  

.22 50 yard magnified optic division, MSC182: Ruger American 8334 .22LR with Silencerco Spectre II-Primary Arms 4-16 X 44-Eley Target.
Groups: .394/.753/.509/.557/.391=.5208 avg=.995 MOA

Gun shoots so nice, I shot MOA twice... Shot 10 groups consecutive. I shoot bottom right to left working bottom to top on each target. Right target shot first. Shot prone with bipod and Ruger squeeze bag. Nice day. About 85 degrees with no wind.

Ruger RPR 6.5 Creedmoor. Sightron SII 4x16x42 MD. Copper Creek 130g Berger Hunter.

.592/.649/1.169/.847/.374= .726 average.

.965/.945/.761/.799/.938= .881 average.

Face454 20" Krieger Barrel home build .223, SWFA 20X scope, reloads: .592, .50, .657, .533, .716.  Average MOA = .5727 edited because I messed up

Tried a different load.  It is not as accurate as the previous, but since I didn't screw up as bad as last time, the average is better.

This was 21.7 grains XBR 8208, LC Brass, 7 1/2 primers, 77smk if anyone is curious.

Range is 100 yards:

I just realized I messed up my submission. Will edit it.

Made it Hot for everyone

ARFCOM 1 MOA Target w/ Grids

Thank you

Just curious, how often does the ranking get updated?  I'm sure you have nothing else to do akethan.

Once a month depending on how many entries are posted.

When did  they put up the 2X4's? Those were not there the last time I was at Garland. I like the bench shape, height, divider screens, carpet, lack of bounce, backer board size, A/C to cool down, and consistent level of the benches there. I shoot better there than at ranges with concrete benches.

Their 1 problem is seen in your pics. Open sky 1.25 miles to the left from that position sends your shot into......

I'll get right on it. Still wanna run a 22" vs the 18" for the 260!

Once I get my Stealth barrel that I won in the giveaway built up, I'll make another entry in the SPR division. Maybe I can do better than 91st.

Ammo is too expensive to shoot my guns with.

Nice "trunk gun"!  



Great shooting!

I got 500 rounds of it in today.

Where to buy??
My favorite round at this point is the blitzking 55 from ADI Outback. The last batch I bought seems consistent. The heavier match ammo does not do well in my 1-9. Sounds like that is normal from what I read.
Akethan, you are a good person for keeping up with this. My head would explode.

I had to move the scope on my RPR so I decided to shoot the challenge as I re-sighted in. However, after 3 group, I quit in frustration.

My range no longer allows us to shoot prone from the ground, instead we have to shoot from these wooden tables:



Basically a plywood table on top of a wooden table that's not particularly stable to begin with.

I can see the difference while behind the scope, particularly horizontally. The effect is apparent on target as well:



I know the horizontal dispersion is from the damn table as its happened before. Looks like I'm going to have to find another range to do the MOA challenges.