1 MOA ALL DAY LONG

Alright guys and girls, to time hit the range again.

Thanks to the previous folks that worked on this in the past  Stantonizm, ARFCOM originator  BillyDoubleU and to the Sniper's Hide originator.

Old threads

Akethan's 2013-2014  GD Thread

Stantonizm's

2013   MOA Thread

BillyDoubleU's

2012  Original ARFCOM thread

ARFcom MOA history

This is the Official “How Good Are You” thread of AR15.com

What is it? It’s a challenge to all to prove how good you really are with a rifle! Not sometimes but consistently.

Keep it simple 5 shot groups, 5 groups per target

1 MOA = 100 Yards = 1.047"
––––––––-50 Yards = 0.5235"
––––––––-25 Yards = 0.26175"

Top 25 for each division

Separate list of 1 MOA shooters and a separate list for .5 MOA shooters.

REMEMBER this, all 5 groups of 5 shots must AVERAGE 1 MOA to make the list and claim the title of being a 1 MOA shooter.

Doing one .99" group and four 1.5" groups does not equal a 1 MOA shooter, it means you got lucky once and you are a 1.398 MOA shooter (assuming a 100 yard target)

This is a challenge but don't be afraid to try it out and post, every possible rifle style has been listed with a category and a distance. It's all in good fun and to be honest about your abilities.

With that in mind here are the rules.

1. ONE sheet of paper, 8.5”x11” preferred and it MUST HAVE ALL 5 targets.

Meaning 1 sheet of paper with FIVE targets. NO INDIVIDUAL TARGETS. THEY WILL NOT COUNT.

2. On that 1 sheet of paper with 5 targets you shoot 5 groups of 5 shots each. (In one day)

3. Each group is measured OUTSIDE GREASE RING TO OUTSIDE GREASE RING with calipers (preferred) or tape rule in inches. Then subtract the diameter of one bullet IE if your shooting a .223 and your 5 shot group measures 1.13" you will subtract 0.224" to get a group of 0.906". If you are shooting a .22lr you will subtract 0.223", for a 308 you will subtract 0.308" (Remember- the more precise your measurement the better)

Some common measurements:
.172" - .17 HMR
.223" - .22 Short, Long, Long Rifle
.224" - .223 Remington, .22 WMR, .22 Hornet
.243" - .243 Winchester
.284" - 7mm-08 Remington, 7mm Mag
.308" - .308 Winchester, .30-06, .300 Mag
.311" - 7.62x39 Soviet, .303 British
.338" - .338 Mag

4. NO MECHANICAL REST/SLED, NO VICE OR SIMILAR DEVICE THAT SUPPORTS THE ENITRE RIFLE, NO SHOOTING JACKETS, NO STRAPPING THE GUN INTO ANYTHING, NO LARGE REAR SANDBAG ** OR REST. SHOOTER MUST HAVE POSITIVE CONTROL OF RIFLE.

THE POINT IS TO SEE HOW GOOD YOU SHOOT, NOT HOW WELL YOU CAN MOUNT IT IN A MACHINE.

5. OK TO USE sandbag, rest, ruck, bipod, rock with a hat, sling etc. on forearm of the rifle.

**Will be OK to use a small rear sandbag (ie: sand sock or squeeze bag) or bean bag  that must require constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

IE. Can NOT sandbag gun in place. Shooter must maintain positive control of rifle. No formed or V-shaped rests/bags

Some approved bags

Triad Red Tac

Triad Wedgie

CrossTac Squeeze bag

Accuracy First shooting bag

*** After much gnashing of the teeth we'll set the limit of size at the largest bag on the list which is 96 C.I.  Try to stay at or below this.

But remember that there must be constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

IE. Can NOT sandbag gun in place. Shooter must maintain positive control of rifle. No formed or V-shaped rests/bags. I'm sure someone will IM me or bitch about this but I can't make everyone happy. Have Fun!

6. Shooting position is up to you, sitting, standing, prone.

7. Posting:

1st picture of target set at the range you are shooting. If you are shooting more than one rifle at the same range using the same pic is okay.

2nd picture with 5 groups of 5 shots each, next to them write down group size.

3rd picture with calipers (or tape rule) left in place over BEST group.

4th picture of rifle and shooting setup (ie. Sandbag, prone and so on). Post all4 pics and also type in the post your 5 group sizes and what the average is. IE. .99”, 1.5”, 1.5”, 1.5”, 1.5” add them up, equals 6.99” and divide by five. So 6.99/5 = 1.398”

You can use the MOA formula, either way I will check the math and post the MOA on the result list.

For those of you who would like to use ontarget,   http://ontargetshooting.com/

Also type up specs of your rifle and ammo IE. Rem 700 with 168gr Federal SMK or Colt AR15 18" with Wolf 55gr FMJ or AK with 125gr Hand Loads PLEASE INCLUDE AMMO USED

*** Please include result at the end of your post in the final format:

Division you wish to be listed under with range, User_Name: Rifle Manufacturer and caliber - notable customizations- Scope- Ammo. Groups: 1"/2"/3"/4"/5" = avg. 3" = .287 MOA

If you do not post in this format or leave anything out your post will not be included.

8. In each division you can only have your name up once per gun. Meaning that if you shoot the Iron Sight 22lr with your 10/22 and average a 1.65” group and lets say place 4th. If you use that same gun and do worse, even if you would place better then someone else it will not count for your group. Best group counts.

Now if you then shoot Iron Sight 22lr with your M&P 15-22 and shoot better, say 1.25” average groups and place 2nd. Both that score and the 10/22 score will remain. Different guns will be allowed for different group rankings within a division. Best group counts.

This also goes for the 1 MOA list. Meaning only your best MOA will be ranked on the 1 MOA list BUT if you also shoot 1 MOA or less with a different rifle, that will also count and your name will be added to the list for each different rifle you shoot 1 MOA or less with.

9. Remember, this is NOT a Bullseye challenge, it's a Groups challenge.

10. Any and all ammo is fine I don't care if you use Factory loads or your super secret Hand Load that Moses gave you.

11. Ties in average will go to the shooter with the smallest group.

Service Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A1 etc style weapons)
Iron sights at 50 yards

Non-Magnified Optic at 50 yards

SPR Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A etc WITH magnified optics) **See rule 5
100 yards

Bolt Division with magnified optics (any precision gun) ** See rule 5
100 yards

And for cheapness a 22lr Division

Any 22lr rifle with iron sights at 25 yards

Any 22lr rifle with non-magnified optic at 50 yards

Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 50 yards

Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 100 yards

Misc Small Bore Division
Any .17HMR/.17HM2/.17Fireball/.22WMR/.22 Hornet etc etc etc with any sighting system (Irons/nonmagnified/magnified) at 100 yards **See Rule 5

Unlimited Division
Catch-all class for anyone wishing to use a lead-sled, large sandbag set-up, or other assisting device prohibited from the other classes. 50yd minimum for non magnified optic rifles and 100 yd minimum for magnified optics of all calibers. Does not qualify you for MOA shooter list, but will be recognized as an MOA rifle owner. Further more if you have shot the same setup and are listed in a class you will not be eligible for unlimited. Let's not turn this into a full blown bench rest shoot.

Click to download target
Downloadable target

Small BFL Target

Modified 1MOA All Day Target MUAD hosted

ARFcom BFL w/grid target  LaRue hosted.

MOA formula

How many MOA equal 2 inches at 200 yards?
(inches / yards) x 100 = MOA
(2 inches / 200 yards) x 100 = 1 MOA

This is for those that want to put up an honest effort and show what they can do!

If you post a placeholder for a future attempt, be sure and notify me if you are not updated!

If entries start coming in and you post your results back on an earlier page, I might miss it if you don't point it out.

You are getting close to measuring your twists in TPI...

I am kinda confused about what equipment is allowed.

I have rear bag like this Caldwell one on the right:




Then I have a front rest like this:



Is that "legal" for this contest?

That would put you in the open division.

 

What rifle are you shooting?  Open is not an excuse to disobey the rules.

I thought open let you shoot with whatever bag/gun setup you wanted.


 

ETA. I'm thinking of unlimited.

It would be a 20 inch stainless barreled .223 FrankenAR (with a Miculek comp/brake and a fixed A2 style stock).  It is currently wearing a 20 year old Nikon 3 to 9 power scope.  It has the Hogue overmoulded free float tube.  The upper is a flat top.

No sling and no bipod as of right now.  No Creedmore or Champion's Choice style shooting coat.  No mat to place on the ground like if I was going to shoot prone.  No thick shooting glove for the left hand for when it gets sandwiched between the sling and the free float forearm.

Just shoot off the front rest

Thank you sir!

I started digging into this thread, so by like page 4 or 5, there must have been 3 different people who asked about the rear bunny ear type bags.

I am still gradually making my way through this thread.

And, now back your regularly scheduled program.  

Got another entry inbound.

SPR 100-yards, tweeter, assembled 5.56mm 416R stainless 1:8 w/ Geissele SSA-E, Vortex PST 1-4x, handloaded Barnes 69gr over IMR 4320.  0.823"/ 0.919"/ 0.895"/ 0.877"/ 0.746" = 0.852" AVG.

I used two bags very similar to those.  I simply turned them sideways so I wasn't using any of the v-notches for additional side support.
Still, I'm not sure if it's allowed.

SPR:  billyhill-, WOA Match upper 1-8" Wylde 223, RRA Lower, Weaver T-36, 21.5 gr Reloder 7 / 52 gr SMK / LC new brass / Rem 71/2, Groups: 0.425/0.515/0.469/0.716/0.801 =

2.702 /5 = 0.5404/1.047 = 0.516 MOA

Pics inbound

Damn fine shoosting sir!

Though you need to bring more stuff with you to the range, I can see a piece of the bench

Most of those boxes of reloads only have a few rounds left in them and I intended to shoot up the dregs to free those lots of brass for reloading. It was like a clown car when I reached into my range box and started pulling stuff out.

Been trying to get this done for awhile. Finally managed it, thanks to some unseasonable Wyoming weather. And the loan of my dad's upper, even if it bounced brass off my hearing protection every shot.

measured target:


range:


best group:


shooting setup:


SPR Division (100 yards): H60Hdrvr, SunDevil-built lefty upper with 20" 1-8 LW match barrel, homebrew lower with Geissele SSA-E, Nikon M223 3-12x42, IMI Razor Core 77gr Match; groups: .992"/.696"/.966"/.949"/.870", avg .895"= .855 MOA

Should be able to improve on that after my reloading gear is unpacked and I can roll my own, but that IMI mk262-clone ammo got the job done.
-Clint

Damn fine shooting Sir.

SPR Division. 16" WOA .223 Wylde 1-7 barrel, SWFA 3-9 SS, Geissele SSA-E. 53gr Hornady HP Match bullets, 25.6gr Hodgdon Benchmark.

Needs the math.



Good shootin'.





 

.783 by my watch, but I'm not an arbiter.  Damned fine shooting.

This is my second attempt with the same rifle, first attempt is HERE.



The target down range:





The target with 5 groups.





Best group:





Rifle and setup:





This is my home-built / franken-gun.  I was shooting some Hornady 50gr Zmax hand loads today.  (LC cases, wsrp, IMR 4198)



SPR Division - 100yds, wiseanhyzer:  Home-built 16" mid-length, DD S2W barrel, Redfield 2-7x32, LaRue MBT, 5.56 Specwar K, 50gr .223

Groups:  0.4145, 0.7965, 1.0745, 0.6345, 0.5515 = 3.4715" / 5 = 0.6943 / 1.047 = 0.6631 MOA

Group 1:       0.798" = 0.762 MOA
Group 2:       0.792" = 0.757 MOA
Group 3:        0.636" = 0.608 MOA
Group 4:        0.647" = 0.618 MOA
Group 5:       0.824" = 0.787 MOA

TOTAL:         3.697"
AVERAGE:   0.7394"
0.7394 / 1.047 = 0.7062 MOA


RIFLE:  LaRue Tactical OBR 7.62 16", Surefire Brake, Magpul CTR Stock with LaRue RISR & LaRue Tactical LT733 P.O.D., Geissele Hi-Speed Match DMR Trigger
OPTIC: Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50 G2DMR FFP Reticle in LaRue Tactical LT111 OBR QD Mount
BIPOD: Harris BRM-S in LaRue Tactical LT130 QD Mount
AMMO: 155gr HPBT SMK over 43.1gr of IMR XBR 8208, seated to 2.1255"+/- OAL (base-to-ogive) in Winchester .308 Brass (5x Firings) trimmed to 2.0055", with CCI #200 Large Rifle Primers, muzzle velocity chrono'd @ 2710 fps
REAR BAG: Red Tac Gear

SPR Division with magnified optic, prone @ 100-yards, Hollywood_Shooter: LaRue Tactical .308 - Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24x50 FFP G2DMR - 155gr HPBT SMK. 0.798"/0.792"/0.636"/0.647"/0.824" = 0.7394" AVG = 0.7062 MOA

Nice shooting guys! Some of you are pushing me down the rankings a bit. I've got to try again as soon as I get a mount that doesn't do this:

Hope I did this right lol

the range




the target




best group




the rifle and shooting position





SPR Division - 100 yards - CastorTroy: Home Built, 20" Shilen Match 6.5 Grendel, Vortex PST 6-24x50, Geissele Hispeed DMR, 123gr .264 Hornady SST

Groups: .325" + .536" + .876" + 1.174" + 1.162" = 4.073" /5 = .8146" /1.047 = .778 MOA

I do believe the quality of that work is best described as "shit-hot".

Best I could do today using my fist for rear support. I fired some foulers/sighters off paper and I guess the throat has finally broken in since the shots went into a nice cluster instead of "looping" around a bit.
Load was 40.0gr of H4895 under Hornady 168gr BTHP at 2.815". I necksized the FC cases, but I guess I didn't do it right since the bullets were rather easily pushed into the case. However at that OAL, the bullets soft-seat against the leade. I think this Palma 95 chamber prefers more neck tension. I've got other brands of brass that might have a tighter fit.
Shooting stuff is fun.
Bolt Division with Magnified Optics at 100yds, HighpowerRifleBrony, VZ24 Mauser in .308 - 1919BMG barrel, Timney trigger, cheap scope on 24x, 168gr BTHP handloads. Groups: 0.482, 0.944, 0.712, 0.667, 0.78 = 3.585/5 = 0.717/1.047 = 0.685 MOA



ETA: range is surveyor-verified 100yds, so I applied the proper 1.047 factor.








 

You own magnified optics  What were you using for a point of aim on the 4 corner groups?

X-ring. I dialed for those groups. I see that the scope is canted a bit, but it seems to track well.



 

badass

My first attempt in the non-magnified at 50yd division.





The target down range:














The target with 5 groups:








Best group:








Rifle and setup:








Non-Magnified Optic - 50yds, wiseanhyzer: 11.5" SBR, DD barrel, PA AMD, G2S trigger,
5.56 Specwar K, 50gr Federal AE .223



Groups:  0.956, 0.694, 1.055, 0.6845, 0.746 = 4.1355" x 2= 8.271" / 5 = 1.6542" / 1.047 = 1.579 MOA

 

.22lr Magnified Optic at 50yds.





The target down range:














The target with 5 groups:








Best group:








Rifle and setup:








.22 Rifle with Magnified Optic - 50yds, wiseanhyzer: Ruger 10/22, 16" barrel, Nikon 2-7x32, SiCo Warlock II, 40gr CCI standard velocity.





Groups:  0.62, 0.712, 0.782, 0.802, 1.693 = 4.609" x 2= 9.218" / 5 = 1.8436" / 1.047 = 1.760 MOA




 

Man, I hadn't checked this thread out in a while. I feel for you Akethan for having to keep up with this thing, as big as its gotten.

I got my rifle back from being fitted in a new McMillan A3 and decided I'd shoot this to try it out. I forgot how frustrating this thing was to shoot! One flier on the last group cost me from a .51 to .57, or four spots on the list. Oh well! Its still better than my last entry and gives me more to shoot for.

Bolt Division with Magnified Optics at 100yds - Stantonizm: Winchester M70 Heavy Varmint- Schneider barrel- Nightforce 3.5-15X- TBAC 30BA- Handloads. Groups: .688"/.622'/ .368"/ .540"/ .79"/ avg .6016" = .575 MOA

I moved up from the RPR to a Mausingfield in .308 and finally had a chance to get it out to the range today since it was a very nice 70 degrees in NOVA.  I wasn't expecting to do a MOA challenge as I was testing different commercial loads, but I had some pretty good results!

Mausingfield .308 with KPI 20" M24 profile barrel and Surefire SFMB brake
JAE 700 stock
Huber trigger
Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50
Atlas bipod
Triad rear bag
100yd local range

Bolt Division with Magnified Optics at 100yds, Defender3, Mausingfield in .308, 20" KP Barrel, Huber Trigger, Vortex Razor 5-20x50, various commercial loads, Groups: 0.800/0.687/0.560/1.03/0.591 = 3671/5 = 0.734/1.047 = 0.701MOA

NOTE: Bottom left is a sighter; each group is a different commercial load.

I don't throw this phrase around often, but that's damn fine shooting.

First time trying for a submission, and I am not real thrilled with the results. I'm actually kinda embarrassed, but it's a starting point.  Going to try and work my up the list to a better position.  






Rifle is a my Larue Stealth (UHFO 16" Upper), 77gr Noslers over H322. Trigger is a SSA-E.  Scope is a Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x.





 


 

Most of the top shooters here did not do it on their first time out. Your groups will get better.

It's harder than most people think that's why there are so many on the wall of claim.


You need to properly post your entry as well.

Like this.



Bolt Division with Magnified Optics at 100yds, HighpowerRifleBrony, VZ24 Mauser in .308 - 1919BMG barrel, Timney trigger, cheap scope on 24x, 168gr BTHP handloads. Groups: 0.482, 0.944, 0.712, 0.667, 0.78 = 3.585/5 = 0.717/1.047 = 0.685 MOA

 
Thanks, fixed it, I think.  






 

You're good.

Thanks

I did better than my last time around. I did measure with a caliper but I couldn't get the camera to pick up the digital display.


SPR Division @ 100yards, mnandy, home built .223 w/ white oak barrel and form 1 suppressor, weaver tactical 3-10, 77grain matching over RE15, 1.331+1.616+1.281+1.44+.736=6.18/5=1.236/1.047=1.18moa

Wtb an fde 260!

Woooo. Fixed my 308 picatinny. I'll get in on this. 5 shot group? Shot a 4 group today with my last 4 rounds and it looks good. I'll play this weekend.

Got these cool targets as swag with my new PVS-14 mount.

Decided to try this with two rifles while testing some hand loads today.  Not the greatest, but under one MOA @.9508".  This is the first of two rifle entries and hopefully I got the format right, but if not let me know and I will fix it.

This is the target at the range.  Its on the back berm, 100 yards.



On Target view of five groups with measurements



Best group with calipers (Upper, right group on the target, group 2):  .882"-.308=.574" or  .548 MOA



Set up.  Shot sitting at bench.



Bolt Division with magnified optics,  RLR350, Rem 700 SPS Tactical in .308, B&C stock, Timney trigger, Nikon 6-18x40 scope, LaRue rail, Harris bipod, Cross Tac rear bag.  Ammo:  hand loads (First two groups were with Hornady 168 A-Max/ 42.5 RE-15.  Last three groups were with Sierra 168 SMK/43.5 Varget) Groups:  1.015"/.548"/1.174"/.959"/1.058" Average: .9508" MOA

Second rifle of the day while testing some hand loads.  Again, not the greatest, but under one MOA @.9158".  This is the second of two rifle entries and hopefully I got the format right, but if not let me know and I will fix it.

This is the target at the range.  Its on the back berm, 100 yards. (Same picture from .308 entry, same target posting for this one)



On Target view of five groups with measurements



Best group with calipers (middle group on the target, group 3, although the picture is sideways):  .879"-.224=.655" or  .625 MOA



Set up.  Shot sitting at bench with front rest and Cross Tac rear bag.  Picture was taken when I got home.



SPR Division,  RLR350, AR in 5.56 built mostly from misc parts I had left over from other builds, Wilson Combat 18", 1 in 8, rifle gas, SPR barrel, RRA match trigger, billet upper and lower, Leupold 1-9x40 scope.  Ammo:  hand loads:  Hornady 68g BTHP/24g Varget. Groups:  1.177"/.952"/.625"/.1.107"/.718" Average: .9158" MOA

Was supposed to hit the range today but unfortunately got delayed. I'll try tomorrow with a new build and a caliber I haven't shot it with yet.

1.4205 today 6 sets of 5.  Still working on loads and skills before I post up some real results.  Was happy with todays work at 100 yards.  Getting there :).

My first attempt at the challenge:

SPR: Marbsy81, home built on Seekins with Wilson Combat 20" Heavy 1-8 Wylde 223, Geissele SD-E, Trijicon 2.5-10x56, Hornady 75gr BTHP, Groups: 1.519/1.461/1.415/0.801/1.181= 6.377.       ((6.377/5) - 0.224)/1.047= 1.004MOA

This was fun!  By the time I decided to give it a shot I only had enough of the Hornady left to make 6 groups so I did one to test on another target then these 5.  The last two were my best and I feel like I was getting better.  Will definitely try again and follow rules more closely (8.5x11" and such).  Also I'm hoping more practice and a squeeze bag can help get me down under 1.0 mark for my next attempt.  

The range:


My setup:


Target:


Best:

Hit the range today. Got a new entry I'll get posted in the morning. .585 MOA with my Larue Stealth 20" barrel!

Ayo!