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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:21:17 PM EDT
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Snow balls.
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:26:53 PM EDT
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fed by rain water.... hmmm could be doable |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:27:38 PM EDT
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Snow balls. You serious Clark 
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:28:18 PM EDT
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http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/e3b66/product_images/uploaded_images/porcelain-type-bidet.jpg?t=1398725710 fed by rain water.... hmmm could be doable Then you'd have to worry about pressurizing it...no? -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:31:08 PM EDT
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Then you'd have to worry about pressurizing it...no? -Emt1581 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/e3b66/product_images/uploaded_images/porcelain-type-bidet.jpg?t=1398725710 fed by rain water.... hmmm could be doable Then you'd have to worry about pressurizing it...no? -Emt1581 collection tank on the roof/up high could maybe do it? you can always just wipe with your hand then wash your hands.... disgusting? sure...better than nothing - of course! |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:33:14 PM EDT
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You serious Clark
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Snow balls. You serious Clark
-Emt1581 Serious as a heart attack. They work very well. Albeit cold. I still carry tp in the winter but a snow ball is usually first in line due to convenience. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:41:24 PM EDT
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collection tank on the roof/up high could maybe do it? Yeah that might work. And it probably work well for the rest of the houses water provided you had a way to replenish the tank(s). Plus how would that that be for luxury during a SHTF!! "Oh...that sucks, you ran out of TP. Care to use our bidet?" -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:43:13 PM EDT
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Historically the Romans used salt water and a sponge. I'm there could be modifications of it to suit personal tastes..............
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:44:54 PM EDT
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Yeah that might work. And it probably work well for the rest of the houses water provided you had a way to replenish the tank(s). Plus how would that that be for luxury during a SHTF!! "Oh...that sucks, you ran out of TP. Care to use our bidet?" -Emt1581 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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collection tank on the roof/up high could maybe do it? Yeah that might work. And it probably work well for the rest of the houses water provided you had a way to replenish the tank(s). Plus how would that that be for luxury during a SHTF!! "Oh...that sucks, you ran out of TP. Care to use our bidet?" -Emt1581 
charge admission! |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:46:42 PM EDT
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I find it difficult to imagine a situation where water would be less valuable than scrap paper/cloth/rags/phonebooks/leaves/towel/anything else. There are so many things that can potentially be used for TP that I just don't see the attraction - especially when you consider the overall hygienic impact. Consider that you are essentially "wiping" with your hand and then rinsing off in a communal water bucket (using the India example). A little trickle of water, absent friction, isn't going to be very effective. Even with a bidet, you don't just pull your pants up over your wet posterior.
Wiping or drying of some kind is pretty much a requirement if you want to maintain first-world-type sanitary conditions. In a survival (or even a camping) situation, long-term sanitation is key and the combination of wasted water and repeated hand/ass contact is asking for trouble in my opinion. While you will obviously need to wash yourself thoroughly at some point, better the occasional washing with the attendant clean-up afterwards than trying to disinfect your hands after each "episode". Just my $.02 ETA: I'd be lyin' if I said that I never used a snowball out in the woods as a Scout. Haven't thought of that in years...
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:51:29 PM EDT
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I find it difficult to imagine a situation where water would be less valuable than scrap paper/cloth/rags/phonebooks/leaves/towel/anything else. There are so many things that can potentially be used for TP that I just don't see the attraction - especially when you consider the overall hygienic impact. Consider that you are essentially "wiping" with your hand and then rinsing off in a communal water bucket (using the India example). A little trickle of water, absent friction, isn't going to be very effective. Even with a bidet, you don't just pull your pants up over your wet posterior. Wiping or drying of some kind is pretty much a requirement if you want to maintain first-world-type sanitary conditions. In a survival (or even a camping) situation, long-term sanitation is key and the combination of wasted water and repeated hand/ass contact is asking for trouble in my opinion. While you will obviously need to wash yourself thoroughly at some point, better the occasional washing with the attendant clean-up afterwards than trying to disinfect your hands after each "episode". Just my $.02 ETA: I'd be lyin' if I said that I never used a snowball out in the woods. Haven't thought of that in years...
I dunno about that. I mean I've never used a bidet but several countries have them and next to them is just a washcloth (I'm assuming to dry off) so they must be pretty effective. -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:52:08 PM EDT
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charge admission! Haha! 
-Emt1581 |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:55:18 PM EDT
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I dunno about that. I mean I've never used a bidet but several countries have them and next to them is just a washcloth (I'm assuming to dry off) so they must be pretty effective. -Emt1581 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it difficult to imagine a situation where water would be less valuable than scrap paper/cloth/rags/phonebooks/leaves/towel/anything else. There are so many things that can potentially be used for TP that I just don't see the attraction - especially when you consider the overall hygienic impact. Consider that you are essentially "wiping" with your hand and then rinsing off in a communal water bucket (using the India example). A little trickle of water, absent friction, isn't going to be very effective. Even with a bidet, you don't just pull your pants up over your wet posterior. Wiping or drying of some kind is pretty much a requirement if you want to maintain first-world-type sanitary conditions. In a survival (or even a camping) situation, long-term sanitation is key and the combination of wasted water and repeated hand/ass contact is asking for trouble in my opinion. While you will obviously need to wash yourself thoroughly at some point, better the occasional washing with the attendant clean-up afterwards than trying to disinfect your hands after each "episode". Just my $.02 ETA: I'd be lyin' if I said that I never used a snowball out in the woods. Haven't thought of that in years...
I dunno about that. I mean I've never used a bidet but several countries have them and next to them is just a washcloth (I'm assuming to dry off) so they must be pretty effective. -Emt1581 In a modern setting, I completely agree but the washcloth is key. It's also nice knowing that you have plenty of soap and water available to wash up before grabbing dinner. That may not be the case in a survival/camping situation. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 8:14:51 PM EDT
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Hose mounted showerhead...cranked to pulsate...hop in bend over and spread em...so clean you squeak when you walk....as for the toilet the wet wipes tend to work better than tp
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Posted: 12/16/2014 1:13:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hose mounted showerhead...cranked to pulsate...hop in bend over and spread em...so clean you squeak when you walk....as for the toilet the wet wipes tend to work better than tp |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 1:26:09 AM EDT
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Some of the places that I shat in The Philippines were pretty nasty. They did the hole in the floor and bowl of water from God only knows what source. Korea was foul as hell too, and Japan often wasn't much better. I carried napkins in my pockets, all over the far east just for such emergencies.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 1:50:55 AM EDT
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Sycamore leaves (fuzzy underneath-side)....or any large leaf. "Butt" stay away from the Poison Oak and Ivy leaves --- DOH! 
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Posted: 12/16/2014 2:35:35 AM EDT
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Then you'd have to worry about pressurizing it...no? -Emt1581 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/e3b66/product_images/uploaded_images/porcelain-type-bidet.jpg?t=1398725710 fed by rain water.... hmmm could be doable Then you'd have to worry about pressurizing it...no? -Emt1581 
And warm soapy water. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 2:49:27 AM EDT
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http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y479/LoathsomeDove/pumpsprayer_zps4727da89.jpg And warm soapy water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/e3b66/product_images/uploaded_images/porcelain-type-bidet.jpg?t=1398725710 fed by rain water.... hmmm could be doable Then you'd have to worry about pressurizing it...no? -Emt1581 http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y479/LoathsomeDove/pumpsprayer_zps4727da89.jpg And warm soapy water. I have heard of people using this set up with some success, also as an improvised shower as well. For the shower they painted it black and left it in the sun to warm it. Seems like the route I would take for long term sanitation. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 4:33:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2014 6:32:20 AM EDT
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I'm not sure if it was someone on this forum or somewhere else but somewhere along the line I saw a video clip of how they "wipe" in India. Basically you squat over the hole and then use a cup to trickle water down and wash off. They say it works pretty well although I've never tried it. I'm just thinking (so long as it's not freezing out which would make it pretty unpleasant) this might be something to look at if TP is not available. Rain water, melted snow, etc. should be fine to use so long as there's no issue of contamination. Thoughts?...Experience? Thanks -Emt1581 The french call it a bidet (pronounced: bid-day) they have used them in France about as long as the flush toilet has been around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 7:07:06 AM EDT
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My last deployment allowed me to see the aftermath of the "Turkish Ass Cleaning" operation...it's not pretty. They use plastic flower pots and do their thing. I don't know how they do it, but there is shit-water all over the walls in the porto-john when they're finished; it's not a pretty sight. Reminds me of seeing how a Hippo takes a crap...
A older vet who's doing more AT hiking is using a small hand-held, rubber squeeze ball. He sucks water into it and uses hand pressure to spray the water out to simulate a hand-held bidet. I'm not sold on it, but it's an option to consider if other options are not available. I think for those with limited water sources also need to consider other options. Snowballs work but you won't linger doing your clean up business .
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Posted: 12/16/2014 7:29:45 AM EDT
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Piece of cloth.
Wipe your ass with cloth, then clean cloth with water. Repeat as needed. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 11:28:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Piece of cloth. Wipe your ass with cloth, then clean cloth with water. Repeat as needed. Really the same as cloth diapering, which we have been doing LONG before commercial TP was around. Actually, damp cloth would clean better than dry Charmin anyway.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 12:39:58 PM EDT
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Do some research into third world countries. Lots of places still use squat toilets which are not only healthier for you but you don't get as messy (the toilet is often messier though as their diets tend to give them looser bowel movements and some of the people are just sloppy- just as we have folks who make a mess). There is a slight learning curve for most westerners but it's not hard provided your knees aren't shot. There is usually a wand of some sort or a bucket with a dipper in it. The wand is self explanatory although the dipper is probably cleaner; I'll let you Google the bucket and dipper. Most Asians carry a small pack of tissues with them for drying off as most toilets don't provide any. Moving your water source to the roof is a time tested method of getting enough pressure to flush the toilet or shower and is still in use in many places around the world.
Added some links for you: How to Use a Squat Toilet Using An Asian Toilet How to Shit Around the World: The Art of Staying Clean and Healthy While Traveling |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 11:41:01 PM EDT
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$20-30 worth of wet wipes or baby wipes would go a very long way. The Cottonele(sp) flushable wipes are the best. Just keeping 12-18 refill packs of wipes. When our son was younger the cases of baby wipes where cheap, it was the diapers that where costly.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 11:52:46 PM EDT
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Spent most of the last year working in Kurdistan.
Spent much time with "eastern" bathrooms. A squat hole and pitcher of water or attached to the wall was a sprayer. Millions of people have been living like this for centuries. Just make sure you wash up. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:06:56 AM EDT
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Get one of these and reduce your toilet paper use dramatically. Pretty inexpensive device for how well it works.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:14:34 AM EDT
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If there is an unlimited source of water this could be a decent form of sanitation.
The main problems I see with it is it is very water intensive and a greater hand hygiene risk. It would be super easy to spread disease if one was not careful and did not wash their hands well. At least with TP there is marginal physical barrier. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:25:22 PM EDT
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Squatting is supposed to be much easier on your system, but there's a small learning curve for Westerners.
A bidet is MUCH easier on the ol' cornhole than dragging dry paper across it. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:47:23 PM EDT
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Howard Stern claimed in his first book that over-wiping caused hemorrhoids and getting in the shower to properly scrub it out was key to preventing this.
I know he's goofy and perverse, but I think he's on to something. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 11:01:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get one of these and reduce your toilet paper use dramatically. Pretty inexpensive device for how well it works. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 11:54:31 PM EDT
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We have one installed on all of our toilets. If I'm out on the town and have to go, I will hold it until I get home if I can. I have become that dependent on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get one of these and reduce your toilet paper use dramatically. Pretty inexpensive device for how well it works. Don't you have to install a hot water line to though? I always said I'd install a bidet but the house we bought only has room for one near the toilet in the basement. However, one of these that attach to the seat would work. EDIT: Nope no hot water line and it looks like it runs off of batteries. So I guess you have to hope that no one else flushed the line bringing in freezing water and a low battery. -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:51:45 AM EDT
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Don't you have to install a hot water line to though? I always said I'd install a bidet but the house we bought only has room for one near the toilet in the basement. However, one of these that attach to the seat would work. EDIT: Nope no hot water line and it looks like it runs off of batteries. So I guess you have to hope that no one else flushed the line bringing in freezing water and a low battery. -Emt1581 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get one of these and reduce your toilet paper use dramatically. Pretty inexpensive device for how well it works. Don't you have to install a hot water line to though? I always said I'd install a bidet but the house we bought only has room for one near the toilet in the basement. However, one of these that attach to the seat would work. EDIT: Nope no hot water line and it looks like it runs off of batteries. So I guess you have to hope that no one else flushed the line bringing in freezing water and a low battery. -Emt1581 There is a hot water one available but we have the cold water only version. I bet the warm water would be nice but you'd have to run it for awhile to get the warm water actually to it. The cold water is actually pretty refreshing....especially nice in summer but in winter, it's not bad either. We really like ours and will have one in the next house. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:02:26 AM EDT
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Just use the 3 sea shells.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:44:51 AM EDT
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Just use the 3 sea shells. That right there is funny!
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:46:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThere is a hot water one available but we have the cold water only version. I bet the warm water would be nice but you'd have to run it for awhile to get the warm water actually to it. The cold water is actually pretty refreshing....especially nice in summer but in winter, it's not bad either. We really like ours and will have one in the next house. Oh ok. For $30 maybe ill give it a try. Any tips on adjusting the aim? Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 2:12:19 PM EDT
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Oh ok. For $30 maybe ill give it a try. Any tips on adjusting the aim? Thanks -Emt1581 Quote HistoryQuoted:
There is a hot water one available but we have the cold water only version. I bet the warm water would be nice but you'd have to run it for awhile to get the warm water actually to it. The cold water is actually pretty refreshing....especially nice in summer but in winter, it's not bad either. We really like ours and will have one in the next house. Oh ok. For $30 maybe ill give it a try. Any tips on adjusting the aim? Thanks -Emt1581 Just attach it with the spray nozzle all the way back against the toilet bowl. It's worth the $30 IMO. My wife and I really like ours. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:35:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a hot water one available but we have the cold water only version. I bet the warm water would be nice but you'd have to run it for awhile to get the warm water actually to it. The cold water is actually pretty refreshing....especially nice in summer but in winter, it's not bad either. We really like ours and will have one in the next house. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Get one of these and reduce your toilet paper use dramatically. Pretty inexpensive device for how well it works. Don't you have to install a hot water line to though? I always said I'd install a bidet but the house we bought only has room for one near the toilet in the basement. However, one of these that attach to the seat would work. EDIT: Nope no hot water line and it looks like it runs off of batteries. So I guess you have to hope that no one else flushed the line bringing in freezing water and a low battery. -Emt1581 There is a hot water one available but we have the cold water only version. I bet the warm water would be nice but you'd have to run it for awhile to get the warm water actually to it. The cold water is actually pretty refreshing....especially nice in summer but in winter, it's not bad either. We really like ours and will have one in the next house. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:37:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just attach it with the spray nozzle all the way back against the toilet bowl. It's worth the $30 IMO. My wife and I really like ours. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is a hot water one available but we have the cold water only version. I bet the warm water would be nice but you'd have to run it for awhile to get the warm water actually to it. The cold water is actually pretty refreshing....especially nice in summer but in winter, it's not bad either. We really like ours and will have one in the next house. Oh ok. For $30 maybe ill give it a try. Any tips on adjusting the aim? Thanks -Emt1581 Just attach it with the spray nozzle all the way back against the toilet bowl. It's worth the $30 IMO. My wife and I really like ours. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:28:01 AM EDT
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there is a reason why folks living in the sandbox don't shake hands, or handle food with the left hand.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:12:07 PM EDT
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My hemroids are flaring up just from reading this...
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:55:25 PM EDT
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Or, today, while there is no emergency, go to the store and buy $100 worth of TP. Place anywhere dry and out of the way. Be done with it.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 5:06:13 PM EDT
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Could always put water in one of these and squeeze to spray it out.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 5:15:25 PM EDT
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I hate toilet paper, wipes are the way to go. When I'm in the woods I carry a wash rag. Just wet with some water before and rinse after. It works very well and a lot cheaper that installing a bidet...
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:57:38 PM EDT
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So the Luxe 110 is $30...the Luxe 120 is $45...Is the self-cleaning head worth the extra $15?
I'm going to definitely order one. The paper savings alone will be worth it. EDIT: I will say this thread didn't go where I figured it would...but that turned out to be a good thing. But in a SHTF situation, you'd still need pressurized water to make this work. Without that it's useless. So we'd be back to the cup/bucket. Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 11:53:38 PM EDT
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Well a little update...
I'm going to be ordering the 120. Seems like the ability to clean the head/nozzle without using my hands would be worth it. Amazon has them for $39 so that's not too bad. I talked to my wife about installing one tonight. She said it was a waste, that I must be obsessed with my ass, and then shook her head. No clue where the obsession part came in but it made me chuckle. I guess this'll be a Christmas present to me... -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 6:01:01 AM EDT
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Well a little update... I'm going to be ordering the 120. Seems like the ability to clean the head/nozzle without using my hands would be worth it. Amazon has them for $39 so that's not too bad. I talked to my wife about installing one tonight. She said it was a waste, that I must be obsessed with my ass, and then shook her head. No clue where the obsession part came in but it made me chuckle. I guess this'll be a Christmas present to me... -Emt1581 She'll like it once it's installed............. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 1:24:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She'll like it once it's installed............. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well a little update... I'm going to be ordering the 120. Seems like the ability to clean the head/nozzle without using my hands would be worth it. Amazon has them for $39 so that's not too bad. I talked to my wife about installing one tonight. She said it was a waste, that I must be obsessed with my ass, and then shook her head. No clue where the obsession part came in but it made me chuckle. I guess this'll be a Christmas present to me... -Emt1581 She'll like it once it's installed............. And EMT I don't know if you seen my post from page 1. I have one and use it when I'm out of town. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 10:01:44 AM EDT
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I’m sure you realize this is how most (numbers) of the world does it (Indians, Arabs, etc.). There is a good reason Arabs consider the left hand to be dirty. Typical Saudi toilet = hole in floor and a 6’ garden hose.
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