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Posted: 5/8/2011 9:43:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2011 11:12:31 AM EDT
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The MSM/Bradyites have already gleefully climbed atop a brother's corpse to show how "crazy" the CCW community is.
Of course, the MSM often paints with the same broad strokes against LE. While I hope they manage to find a way to DQ the insanity defense and fry the shooter, I also hope Officer Johnson doesn't suffer too much personally or professionally for his brother's conduct. Being in that situation... I can't even begin to imagine it. 
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Posted: 5/8/2011 12:05:59 PM EDT
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Whole lot of WTF in that story. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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Posted: 5/8/2011 4:18:17 PM EDT
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There will be no winners in this case, however it shakes out. Except maybe the Bradyites.
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Posted: 5/8/2011 4:34:44 PM EDT
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If what was released in the beginning is true, this ticket would be enough points to suspend his DL, he told Officer Davis his brother was a cop expecting not to get a cite, he got the cite, then shot Officer Davis in the face.
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Posted: 5/8/2011 6:52:12 PM EDT
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If what was released in the beginning is true, this ticket would be enough points to suspend his DL, he told Officer Davis his brother was a cop expecting not to get a cite, he got the cite, then shot Officer Davis in the face. Complete insanity, we are not talking about a guy with nothing to lose here. WTF; Over a possibility of having his DL suspended? |
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Posted: 5/8/2011 7:00:36 PM EDT
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Fry him.
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Posted: 5/8/2011 7:09:37 PM EDT
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If what was released in the beginning is true, this ticket would be enough points to suspend his DL, he told Officer Davis his brother was a cop expecting not to get a cite, he got the cite, then shot Officer Davis in the face. Complete insanity, we are not talking about a guy with nothing to lose here. WTF; Over a possibility of having his DL suspended? A suspended DL would mean no six figure job. |
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Posted: 5/8/2011 7:23:02 PM EDT
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If what was released in the beginning is true, this ticket would be enough points to suspend his DL, he told Officer Davis his brother was a cop expecting not to get a cite, he got the cite, then shot Officer Davis in the face. Complete insanity, we are not talking about a guy with nothing to lose here. WTF; Over a possibility of having his DL suspended? A suspended DL would mean no six figure job. He could have afforded a town car service for a month or two while his DL was suspended. Or, he could simply not drive badly enough to get suspended in the first place. This just goes to show that having a concealed handgun/weapons permit doesn't mean someone is an upstanding citizen and doesn't mean they aren't potentially dangerous. It means they passed some kind of (usually rudimentary) background check and paid a fee. Don't get me wrong, I would wager that over 99% of these people are your average, normal law abiding citizen, but there are a few bad apples. I may get flamed for it, but I really don't see any value in having a state regulated permit system to carry concealed. AK, AZ and NH have it right IMO. |
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Posted: 5/8/2011 7:25:57 PM EDT
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but I really don't see any value in having a state regulated permit system to carry concealed. AK, AZ and NH have it right IMO. I don't recall a permit clause in the 2nd. |
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Posted: 5/8/2011 7:45:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If what was released in the beginning is true, this ticket would be enough points to suspend his DL, he told Officer Davis his brother was a cop expecting not to get a cite, he got the cite, then shot Officer Davis in the face. Complete insanity, we are not talking about a guy with nothing to lose here. WTF; Over a possibility of having his DL suspended? No kidding. This is crazy. |
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Posted: 5/8/2011 7:55:47 PM EDT
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He killed a cop over a speeding ticket. There's no whitewashing that.
Fry him. |
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Posted: 5/8/2011 8:28:50 PM EDT
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i hate to say this but people are driven and effected by stressors. Good and honest people sometimes snap and do messed up stuff because they dont have the mental stamina to handle some of the stress that builds up in life.
We havent had a workplace "going postal" shooting in a few years that has garnered much national publicity so many of us tend to forget the danger of it but there are people that are walking around who are so ate up with personal problems that they are near the breaking point of snapping and shooting up a post office or kinkos copy center or anybody that pushes them over the edge or gives them "the straw that breaks the camels back". It sounds like this guy was just a walking time bomb already and the ticket sent him into a rage and he killed the cop without thinking. I would not be surprised to learn that the guy has a problem with his temper or is a rageaholic, acts impulsively, or fantasized about being involved in a shooting. This situation should be a reminder to keep all cops on their toes and be aware that not all active shooters happen in schools from creepy trench coat kids or come from muslim terrorists. I remember studying alot of them in college that just came from pissed off strung out people. And finally, you can try to climb into the shooters head all day, but in the end it boils down to the fact that hes a murderer who killed a cop for absolutely no good reason and he needs to hang for it. ETA: the mentall illness, "my migranes made me murder a cop" excuse isnt going to fly with anyone at all. The guy was sane enough to drive around and interact normally with society until the moment that he met this officer and pulled the trigger. The guy isnt crazy, hes just a murderer. I think its unfortunate that the insanity defense is the only defense that will get a person off for murder because every murderer uses it and after a while it starts to paint killers as crazy and the public thinks that everyone who kills has to be crazy. The truth is that there are some humans walking around among us that are simply more able to take another life. Some people are just murderers and dont deserve to have freedom. |
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Posted: 5/8/2011 8:30:28 PM EDT
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He should simply be responsible for his own actions and let the cards lay the way they are. You typically are crazing when you kill someone.
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Posted: 5/9/2011 9:18:54 AM EDT
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Put me squarely in the FRY HIM camp also his brother was harboring a fugitive in a LEO Murder case he needs to think about that for a long time at a state run facility.
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Posted: 5/9/2011 10:28:23 AM EDT
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Put me squarely in the FRY HIM camp also his brother was harboring a fugitive in a LEO Murder case he needs to think about that for a long time at a state run facility. This... times infinity. -SS 
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Posted: 5/9/2011 10:43:56 AM EDT
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Put me squarely in the FRY HIM camp also his brother was harboring a fugitive in a LEO Murder case he needs to think about that for a long time at a state run facility. Didn't know that about the brother. Blood is thicker than water, but when your brother is a cop-killer, you need to do some time for harboring him. |
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Posted: 5/9/2011 11:25:58 AM EDT
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Everyone makes dumb mistakes, but shooting someone over a citation/suspended DL just goes way beyond a normal range for thought process. He really needs his insane choices rewarded with a lethal injection. Still a pure WTF situation.
Family is one thing but criminal action draws the line, and that line falls far short of this situation. Hope his bro enjoys a long vacation in a state jail facility. |
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Posted: 5/9/2011 11:34:12 AM EDT
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I don't think any criminal charges have been nor will be filed against the brother. He picked him up and was taking him towards the crime scene.
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Posted: 5/9/2011 11:41:10 AM EDT
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extremely poorly worded thread title
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Posted: 5/9/2011 11:42:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2011 11:44:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2011 12:33:54 PM EDT
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I may get flamed for it, but I really don't see any value in having a state regulated permit system to carry concealed. AK, AZ and NH have it right IMO. Without a permit system, even with a rudimentary background check, you help to seperate some of the wheat from some of the chaff. Then, when you get someone carrying without a permit, it is very likely that they are a bad guy. I used to be in favor of everyone being able to carry a gun, until I realized just who "everyone" was. I used to be in favor of everyone having free speech, until I realized just who everyone was. |
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Posted: 5/9/2011 12:40:37 PM EDT
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I may get flamed for it, but I really don't see any value in having a state regulated permit system to carry concealed. AK, AZ and NH have it right IMO. Without a permit system, even with a rudimentary background check, you help to seperate some of the wheat from some of the chaff. Then, when you get someone carrying without a permit, it is very likely that they are a bad guy. I used to be in favor of everyone being able to carry a gun, until I realized just who "everyone" was. I agree. Freedom requires responsible behavior on the part of the people. Society is becoming more and more irresponsible and narcissistic...so society at large ends up with more rules and restrictions. Sucks...but that is reality. |
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Posted: 5/9/2011 12:52:36 PM EDT
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I may get flamed for it, but I really don't see any value in having a state regulated permit system to carry concealed. AK, AZ and NH have it right IMO. Without a permit system, even with a rudimentary background check, you help to seperate some of the wheat from some of the chaff. Then, when you get someone carrying without a permit, it is very likely that they are a bad guy. I used to be in favor of everyone being able to carry a gun, until I realized just who "everyone" was. I used to be in favor of everyone having free speech, until I realized just who everyone was. Honestly, what does a permit actually do? A person gets a background check, presents some kind of "training" document and pays a fee. They are then in a database. Let's break this down a bit. Background check: imperfect at best. I personally know of an outlaw motorcycle gang member that has a valid Oregon CHL. I've seen a person with a valid Oregon CHL who was arrested because he was a black gang associate and doing nefarious things, but hadn't been arrested yet. I wrote a report regarding a valid Oregon CHL holder who, in a fit of road rage, pointed his handgun at people. Twice that we know of. I believe that if someone is legally allowed to own a gun, they legally should be able to carry it. If someone is a criminal or otherwise has demonstrated a pattern of behavior that shows they are a menace to society, they shouldn't be able to buy a gun, much less carry one. So, if someone can possess a gun, why shouldn't they carry it? Seems like "partial" rights. Training requirement: when I got my CHL 18 years ago or so, the "training" was a one or two hour class at a local range. It was laughable, and covered some legal principles and safety issues, but had no trigger time and there was no test. It's a joke. The ONLY way I would support any kind of mandatory training is if it were offered FREE by a local LE agency and was easy to schedule. Pay a fee and be in a database. Why? $$$$$$$$ A permit really accomplishes two things IMO. First, it is a (sometimes minor) roadblock to people that would otherwise arm themselves. I'm usually not a "black & white" type of guy, and understand there is a myriad of "shades of gray" in the world, but this is one of the few things were I don't see moral middle ground. NYC/Chicago are just two examples of the permit system run amok. Why should the State dictate if a person can exercise their Constitutional Rights? The second thing it accomplishes is to gather money. |
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Posted: 5/9/2011 12:56:07 PM EDT
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I may get flamed for it, but I really don't see any value in having a state regulated permit system to carry concealed. AK, AZ and NH have it right IMO. Without a permit system, even with a rudimentary background check, you help to seperate some of the wheat from some of the chaff. Then, when you get someone carrying without a permit, it is very likely that they are a bad guy. I used to be in favor of everyone being able to carry a gun, until I realized just who "everyone" was. I agree. Freedom requires responsible behavior on the part of the people. Society is becoming more and more irresponsible and narcissistic...so society at large ends up with more rules and restrictions. Sucks...but that is reality. So, instead of holding the irresponsible people accountable, pass more rules and restrictions that affect the responsible people? |
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Posted: 5/9/2011 2:01:46 PM EDT
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take it to the GD board pls. |
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Posted: 5/9/2011 2:02:06 PM EDT
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take it to the GD board pls. Let's keep this thread on the topic of the trial. If we want to discuss permits v no permits, 2A v. 1A or anything else please follow the above advice. |
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Posted: 5/10/2011 4:43:53 AM EDT
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Tape of I-65 shooting leaves family members crying in the courtroom
In the audio of the tape, Officer Philip Davis can be heard telling Bart Wayne Johnson he had stopped him for speeding, asking him if he has his driver's license, and whether the car belongs to him. Johnson replies that, no, he just stole it. "I'm glad you're in a jovial mood," Davis says. http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/05/tape_of_i-65_shooting_leaves_f.html State rests case in trial of Bart Wayne Johnson in slaying of Pelham police officer http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/05/state_rests_case_in_trial_of_b.html |
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Posted: 5/10/2011 4:49:25 AM EDT
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Jurors view video recording of slain officer’s shooting
The video began with Davis pulling Johnson over on Interstate 65 for going 76 mph in a 55 mph zone, and ended with Davis being shot and emergency responders at the scene. The TV monitor was angled to allow jurors – but not the majority of others in the courtroom – to see. Dr. Alfredo Paredes testified that the bullet entered Davis’ face between the nose and upper lip. The bullet, he said, fractured face bones and teeth and fragmented upon striking Davis’ spinal cord. http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/09/jurors-view-video-recording-of-slain-officers-shooting/ Defense calls first witness in Bart Johnson’s trial If Johnson was suffering from migraines, sleep deprivation or diarrhea, Maddox said he never heard anything about it. He said Johnson had no signs of depression, either, http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/09/defense-calls-first-witness-in-bart-johnson%e2%80%99s-trial/ |
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Posted: 5/10/2011 5:54:37 AM EDT
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Tape of I-65 shooting leaves family members crying in the courtroom In the audio of the tape, Officer Philip Davis can be heard telling Bart Wayne Johnson he had stopped him for speeding, asking him if he has his driver's license, and whether the car belongs to him. Johnson replies that, no, he just stole it. "I'm glad you're in a jovial mood," Davis says. http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/05/tape_of_i-65_shooting_leaves_f.html State rests case in trial of Bart Wayne Johnson in slaying of Pelham police officer http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/05/state_rests_case_in_trial_of_b.html Fry the smart-ass. |
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Posted: 5/10/2011 5:59:43 AM EDT
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If what was released in the beginning is true, this ticket would be enough points to suspend his DL, he told Officer Davis his brother was a cop expecting not to get a cite, he got the cite, then shot Officer Davis in the face. Sounds to me like he had the rationality to determine his life went to shit if he got a ticket. If that is true, I believe he can OD on state supervised heroin (why not, it would work, and is cost effective) or ride the lightning. TXL |
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Posted: 5/10/2011 6:00:56 AM EDT
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I may get flamed for it, but I really don't see any value in having a state regulated permit system to carry concealed. AK, AZ and NH have it right IMO. Without a permit system, even with a rudimentary background check, you help to seperate some of the wheat from some of the chaff. Then, when you get someone carrying without a permit, it is very likely that they are a bad guy. I used to be in favor of everyone being able to carry a gun, until I realized just who "everyone" was. I used to be in favor of everyone having free speech, until I realized just who everyone was. Yeah, freedom is scary to some. TXL |
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Posted: 5/10/2011 7:17:17 AM EDT
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The guy should be put down like a dog. Like tomorrow.
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Posted: 5/10/2011 9:31:20 AM EDT
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Bart Johnson has two mental illnesses, defense expert testifies
Dr. Charles J. Golden testified that Johnson has a multiple personality disorder and an acute psychotic disorder. “You can’t look outside of Bart and see that,” said Golden, a professor of psychology at Florida’s Nova Southeastern University. http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/10/bart-johnson-has-two-mental-illnesses-defense-expert-testifies/ All the more reason to give him the needle. |
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Posted: 5/10/2011 7:55:29 PM EDT
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State questions doctor’s methods as defense rests in Bart Johnson’s trial
During earlier testimony in Johnson’s case, Golden referenced the video of the shooting. During Ladner’s cross-examination, it was revealed that Golden had not seen the tape at the time he wrote his report, though he had read the transcript. Golden said he never talked to state investigators in performing his evaluation of Johnson, nor did he talk to any of Johnson’s coworkers. Golden said he never talked to Johnson’s primary physician, who had treated Johnson since childhood http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/10/state-questions-doctors-methods-as-defense-rests-in-bart-johnson%e2%80%99s-trial/ Wow. Second "expert" had never even met the "defendant" before the trial. |
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Posted: 5/11/2011 8:37:12 AM EDT
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State questions doctor’s methods as defense rests in Bart Johnson’s trial During earlier testimony in Johnson’s case, Golden referenced the video of the shooting. During Ladner’s cross-examination, it was revealed that Golden had not seen the tape at the time he wrote his report, though he had read the transcript. Golden said he never talked to state investigators in performing his evaluation of Johnson, nor did he talk to any of Johnson’s coworkers. Golden said he never talked to Johnson’s primary physician, who had treated Johnson since childhood http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/10/state-questions-doctors-methods-as-defense-rests-in-bart-johnson%e2%80%99s-trial/ Wow. Second "expert" had never even met the "defendant" before the trial. Wow, paid "expert" witnesses not letting facts get in the way of their "diagnosis." Here's my shocked face ––> 
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Posted: 5/11/2011 9:00:47 AM EDT
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light him up like the 4th
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Posted: 5/11/2011 9:32:33 AM EDT
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Thanks for updating this Bama.
Put me in the "Fry em" group. |
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Posted: 5/11/2011 11:11:21 AM EDT
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State calls rebuttal witnesses in Johnson trial
Both doctors testified that Johnson has no mental diseases or defects. http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/11/state-calls-rebuttal-witnesses-in-johnson-trial/ |
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Posted: 5/11/2011 11:26:41 AM EDT
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State calls rebuttal witnesses in Johnson trial Both doctors testified that Johnson has no mental diseases or defects. http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/11/state-calls-rebuttal-witnesses-in-johnson-trial/ Oh... I'd disagree with that. He most certainly is defective... he's a murderous a**hole.
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Posted: 5/11/2011 3:22:26 PM EDT
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Closing arguments begin at 2:30 p.m. in Johnson trial
Stacie Shipman is the pharmacist in charge there, and Johnson was sent to instruct her and others on operating procedures. “He kept me going,” Shipman said of Johnson, also a pharmacist. “He seemed pretty energetic.” Shipman testified she never observed Johnson taking any medication, complain of headaches, exhibit signs of anxiety or extreme stress or complain or exhibit signs of a sleep disorder. Under cross-examination by the defense, Shipman conceded she was only with Johnson during operating hours inside the store. She said she never saw him after work hours or during breaks. http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/11/closing-arguments-begin-at-230-p-m-in-johnson-trial/ Grand openings are 10-12 hours days, eat and then bed. If he wasn't stressing then, he wasn't stressing at all. <––––most of my life in retail |
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Posted: 5/11/2011 3:26:16 PM EDT
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State says 'this is a no-doubter;' defense says this is mental illness
Bart Wayne Johnson now wants to say he was suffering from a severe mental illness he has never complained of before, Miller told the jury. Miller asked the jury to use common sense and find Johnson guilty of capital murder. "This is a no-doubter," Miller said. http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/05/state_says_this_is_a_no-doubte.html |
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Posted: 5/12/2011 3:32:38 AM EDT
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DA Owens: Johnson killed Pelham officer to avoid traffic ticket
COLUMBIANA –Before Dec. 3, 2009, Bart Johnson had received 18 speeding tickets. The ticket found between slain Pelham Police officer Philip Davis’ legs would have been No. 19. And that wasn’t acceptable to Johnson, District Attorney Robby Owens said Thursday in closing arguments of Johnson’s capital murder trial. That 19th speeding ticket would have suspended Johnson’s license. The plan, Owens said, was to ditch the car somewhere north, then somehow get south of the scene of the shooting. Then, Owens said, Johnson would get rid of the shirt he was wearing and the gun, because both had Davis’ blood on them. “All he (Johnson) has to say is my car was stolen and my billfold was in it,” Owens said. “That’s what the facts say they had in mind.” All the information contained on the ticket found by Davis’ body was taken from Johnson’s license, with one exception, Owens said: place of employment. Davis wrote “unemployed” on the ticket. http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/11/da-owens-johnson-killed-pelham-officer-to-avoid-traffic-ticket/ Read the article. |
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Posted: 5/12/2011 9:58:12 AM EDT
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Jurors begin deliberation in Johnson murder trial
COLUMBIANA – Cold blooded cop-killer or mentally ill individual? http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/12/jurors-begin-delibertion-in-johnson-murder-trial/ |
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Posted: 5/12/2011 10:24:10 AM EDT
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GUILTY
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Posted: 5/12/2011 1:02:23 PM EDT
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GUILTY Now let's see that death penalty. |
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Posted: 5/12/2011 3:09:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2011 4:03:03 PM EDT
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Johnson guilty in officer’s killing
Johnson guilty in officer’s killing Published 1:15pm Thursday, May 12, 2011 Email Comments By BRAD GASKINS / Staff Writer COLUMBIANA – Jurors deliberated for about two hours before finding Kimberly resident Bart Wayne Johnson guilty of killing Pelham police officer Philip Davis. After the verdict was announced, the court moved immediately into the sentencing phase. Johnson was found guilty of two counts of capital murder, one for killing an on-duty police officer and another for causing death by shooting from an occupied vehicle. http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/12/jurors-begin-delibertion-in-johnson-murder-trial/ |
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Posted: 5/12/2011 4:07:28 PM EDT
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Life or death: Johnson sentencing phase resumes Friday
COLUMBIANA – Convicted cop-killer Bart Johnson will have to wait at least another day to learn if he’ll spend the rest of his life in prison or die by lethal injection. A Shelby County jury found him guilty Thursday afternoon of two counts of capital murder for shooting and killing Pelham Police officer Philip Davis. http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/2011/05/12/life-or-death-johnson-sentencing-phase-resumes-friday/ |
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