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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:41:43 PM EDT
I'm tired of all the end-of-the-world BS.
Aside from mayhem due to regional hurricanes and earthquakes and other natural causes, I don't think that doom is around the corner. Having preparations to safeguard ones family is the right thing to do, but worrying about the absolute worst case scenario regarding politics, the economy, EMP, terrorism etc. isn't healthy or constructive. I think that we're due for some serious malaise and a lowering standard of living. Eventually the US as it is now will be unrecognizable, but that's true for most societies. I don't think that there will be a "big one" that will doom us all. The other possibility is that of a smaller government revolution that will return the US to better times.  (Just kidding. I don't really believe that.)
What do you think? Is this reasonable, or is my head in the sand? |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:43:53 PM EDT
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I don't worry about end of the world scenarios. I figure the world is a dirty crack that needs to be wiped out.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:46:29 PM EDT
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Nah...Dont think so..
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:48:35 PM EDT
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I dont think we'll see SHTF in the United States except for regional stuff due to natural disasters. Still, Be Prepared.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:49:28 PM EDT
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SHTF comes in many forms...
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:49:35 PM EDT
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I agree with you. I don't think anything major will ever occur. I believe this because as a whole people are lazy, dumb, and plain out a bunch of talkers and not doer's.
Yeah, there are several of us who are motivated within our own worlds but none of us are willing to throw away our lives or the livelihoods of our families for "revolution," or whatever it is you want to call it. I think there will continue to be nothing more than rhetoric on all fronts around the world, people will continue to bitch, and no one will do a damn thing. Why do I know this, simple really ––- HISTORY..... Throughout history, no matter the time, people always thought the end was near. And history teaches us that it just wasn't so then and it will not be now. But please do not think I am insinuating going and living like a dumb fuck liberal retard. By all means stay prepared, stay informed, stay healthy, stay strong, and always be ready to do harm to your enemies. Just realize that it will most likely not be the "wolverine" style harm that will in fact take place. just my .02 as always. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:50:47 PM EDT
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SHTF is going to come.
But in the next year, decade, our life time....... we don't know. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:51:24 PM EDT
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To me there will be just natural disasters, such as earthquakes and floods, nothing more.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:51:35 PM EDT
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The continuous "zombie" references are meant as a joke. I don't think more than a handful of people believe we are going to see Liberia style violence. However, there will be occasional riots in the inner cities. There have been all throughout history, even Obama-majik cannot change that.
Obviously, people here use the possibility of civil unrest as pretext to buy more guns and gun accessories. This website is full of gun enthusiasts. 
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:52:39 PM EDT
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If things stay at the current pace, it will not look to pretty in the immediate future.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:52:40 PM EDT
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Aside from small STHF after a natral disaster like in New Orleans I doubt it will happen. And it will not be the "run around with your tactical gear and gun" fantsty like in the SHTF thread.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:53:08 PM EDT
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The hell you say.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:54:24 PM EDT
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Barring natural disasters, I think we've seen the end of widespread SHTF. No more world wars, plagues, millions dead, etc.
Localized skirmishes and such like have been going on the past 20 years all over the world, and probably a decline of those at that. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:54:36 PM EDT
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It would suck to be unprepared.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:55:44 PM EDT
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Not going to happen.
But if it does I'm going to do what /b/ would do...... 
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:56:11 PM EDT
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Probably not.
Still, stay in shape, stay sharp mentally, train up with your weapon and gear,and be prepared. You don't have to live off the grid in a mountain compound with 100,000 rounds stockpiled. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:56:52 PM EDT
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I dont think we'll see SHTF in the United States except for regional stuff due to natural disasters. Still, Be Prepared. Yes, I think the natural disaster / riots / bad economy, rising crime scenario could happen quite easily. Prepare accordingly. I live near an major earthquake fault line. It behooves me to have food and water stored away, as well as a dependable rifle with sufficient ammunition. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:57:24 PM EDT
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Barring natural disasters, I think we've seen the end of widespread SHTF. No more world wars, plagues, millions dead, etc. Localized skirmishes and such like have been going on the past 20 years all over the world, and probably a decline of those at that. Is this because Obama is bringing peace on earth? 
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:57:32 PM EDT
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It wont come to that, but the way the current administration is abusing power, and the continued stagnated economy I wouldn't be surprised if we have some protests turn violent.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:57:35 PM EDT
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Its brewing right now.................count on it
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:57:38 PM EDT
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There has to be one day. Things cant go on perfectly forever. Now WHEN is a better question. 5 years? 20 years? 160 years? Who knows. Just keep as well stocked up as you can and dont take any good days for granted.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:57:40 PM EDT
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Another conflict like S. Korea attacking Japan just for shits and giggles, US becomes involved, all terrorists are coming from the woodwork, Iran uses the situation to attack Israel, economy tanks, no gas and here you are
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Posted: 6/9/2009 4:58:38 PM EDT
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Probably not. Still, stay in shape, stay sharp mentally, train up with your weapon and gear,and be prepared. You don't have to live off the grid in a mountain compound with 100,000 rounds stockpiled. But it still would be nice... |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:00:16 PM EDT
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People have been talking about the end of the world for as long as we have been able to talk. ARFCOM just takes it to the next level.
I like to be prepared, but I'm not expecting anything big in my lifetime. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:00:24 PM EDT
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As long as there is American idol, and people are kept fat and stupid, there will be no forthcoming revolt.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:02:09 PM EDT
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Another conflict like S. Korea attacking Japan just for shits and giggles, US becomes involved, all terrorists are coming from the woodwork, Iran uses the situation to attack Israel, economy tanks, no gas and here you are Yeah that would probably cause a SHTF situation, but we all know it will never happen. The Koreans arent going to do shit. Why you ask?? Because they don't have to. They flex their muscles and we send them a check for a few hundred million. Whenever some "bad" country gets pissed, we chastise, and than send aid. Unfortunately the aid is often cash, which appeases them until the next time. (hmm, ever heard of conditioning, Pavlov would be so proud) Not shitting on your post, so please do not take it that way. I'm just saying. 
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:03:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Probably not. Still, stay in shape, stay sharp mentally, train up with your weapon and gear,and be prepared. You don't have to live off the grid in a mountain compound with 100,000 rounds stockpiled. But it helps. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:08:55 PM EDT
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It could be man-made or a natural disaster. Just the influenza virus picking up a bit o' stray genetic material could very well do it. A volcano may go off tomorrow that could cool the earth at a critic time of the year resulting in a widespread crop failures, which could cause the oldie but goodie-starvation. People would tend to get freaky in a day or two without food, especially now with so much of the population incapable of living without a grocery store. Anytime, anytime at all...
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:12:10 PM EDT
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To me, SHTF can be alot of things, not just "the end of the world".
To me it can be: 1. Personal Health Problems 2. House Fire 3. Job Loss (My wife and I both are going through this one right now) 4. Natural disaster 5. Terrorisim 6. Invasion 7. Tyranny 8. Depression/Recssion 9. Pandemic 10. Civil Unrest and probably many more things that I am forgetting. Of course the severity of each "disaster" can and will vary. Just because swine flu has thus far turned out to be nothing much to worry about, the next flu may be many, many time worse. The next 9/11 or hurricane Katrina could be right around the corner. Its not something that should consume your life, but if you care about your family's lives and your own, you will want to be prepared for the worst. I have smoke alarms and fire extinguishers to help me protect my family in case of a house fire. I have a savings account, so that my family can get by in these hard times when my wife and I are out of a job. Its all about being prepared for what might happen. God Bless |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:17:09 PM EDT
[#29]
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Barring natural disasters, I think we've seen the end of widespread SHTF. No more world wars, plagues, millions dead, etc. Localized skirmishes and such like have been going on the past 20 years all over the world, and probably a decline of those at that. That is a very complacent attitude. There are more than six billion people on the planet. More and more of these people are rising to a quality of material existence that the earth cannot support. SHTF will happen, whether in a month, a year or a decade. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:21:09 PM EDT
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Barring natural disasters, I think we've seen the end of widespread SHTF. No more world wars, plagues, millions dead, etc. Localized skirmishes and such like have been going on the past 20 years all over the world, and probably a decline of those at that. Why is that? The key reason is the success of the US, the defeat of the USSR, the economic power of capitalism and the military power of the USN. If we continue down the Obama road, that will turn, the US economy and military power will fade, and the world will become a darker place. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:24:36 PM EDT
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Barring natural disasters, I think we've seen the end of widespread SHTF. No more world wars, plagues, millions dead, etc. Localized skirmishes and such like have been going on the past 20 years all over the world, and probably a decline of those at that. That is a very complacent attitude. There are more than six billion people on the planet. More and more of these people are rising to a quality of material existence that the earth cannot support. SHTF will happen, whether in a month, a year or a decade. That's a variation of the Population Bomb thesis. If we allow markets and technology to do their thing, it isn't likely an impending crisis. If we adopt socialist ideas that cripple our economy and reduce our options (i.e., follow the Obama Road) it becomes more likely. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:26:40 PM EDT
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I really don't believe it will ever happen, but all the same, I'm prepared for it.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:28:39 PM EDT
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I'm tired of all the end-of-the-world BS. Aside from mayhem due to regional hurricanes and earthquakes and other natural causes, I don't think that doom is around the corner. Having preparations to safeguard ones family is the right thing to do, but worrying about the absolute worst case scenario regarding politics, the economy, EMP, terrorism etc. isn't healthy or constructive. I think that we're due for some serious malaise and a lowering standard of living. Eventually the US as it is now will be unrecognizable, but that's true for most societies. I don't think that there will be a "big one" that will doom us all. The other possibility is that of a smaller government revolution that will return the US to better times. (Just kidding. I don't really believe that.)
What do you think? Is this reasonable, or is my head in the sand? Is that all? 
The shit hitting the fan most people are thinking of is just what you say above not some Mad Max scenario. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:29:05 PM EDT
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I'm tired of all the end-of-the-world BS. Aside from mayhem due to regional hurricanes and earthquakes and other natural causes, I don't think that doom is around the corner. Having preparations to safeguard ones family is the right thing to do, but worrying about the absolute worst case scenario regarding politics, the economy, EMP, terrorism etc. isn't healthy or constructive. I think that we're due for some serious malaise and a lowering standard of living. Eventually the US as it is now will be unrecognizable, but that's true for most societies. I don't think that there will be a "big one" that will doom us all. The other possibility is that of a smaller government revolution that will return the US to better times. (Just kidding. I don't really believe that.)
What do you think? Is this reasonable, or is my head in the sand? You present a rather confused view. TEOTWAWKI isn't a concern of mine (at least in the sense of total social breakdown). However, we are facing sever economic challanges and well as a real terrorist threat. 9/11 was SHTF, as was several other terrrer events. The Great Depression was SHTF. Currently, with the economic/political mess we are in, we face the greatest threat since we faced Soviet ICBMs. The difference is that the Soviets feared our missles, the economy doesn't care. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:30:02 PM EDT
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Barring natural disasters, I think we've seen the end of widespread SHTF. No more world wars, plagues, millions dead, etc. Localized skirmishes and such like have been going on the past 20 years all over the world, and probably a decline of those at that. That is a very complacent attitude. There are more than six billion people on the planet. More and more of these people are rising to a quality of material existence that the earth cannot support. SHTF will happen, whether in a month, a year or a decade. That's a variation of the Population Bomb thesis. If we allow markets and technology to do their thing, it isn't likely an impending crisis. If we adopt socialist ideas that cripple our economy and reduce our options (i.e., follow the Obama Road) it becomes more likely. Keep in mind that the population is still increasing, and is projected to continue to increase with no end in sight. More people = less resources = increased possibility of widespread shortages, economic recession/depression/wars for resources. Remember that the main reason Hitler went to war in the East was to get more Lebensraum for the German people. Oh, and we sure seem to be doing well when it comes to adopting socialist ideas.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:30:03 PM EDT
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There will be no SHTF scenario as long as Maobama gets his way. If the tide starts turning heavily against, so much so that the Soros-funded secstates can't count the votes effectively, we'll get one of Rahm Emmanuel's crises.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:30:08 PM EDT
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Those that don't think a real SHTF scenario is coming obviously don't get out much.
People in Memphis are starting to get reeeeal nervous. It's said that the tension is so thick you can see it. All it's gonna take is just one little thing. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:30:37 PM EDT
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I HOPE there wont be SHTF scenario, but I'm not planning on there not being anything bad.
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:30:44 PM EDT
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People have been talking about the end of the world for as long as we have been able to talk. ARFCOM just takes it to the next level. I like to be prepared, but I'm not expecting anything big in my lifetime. I used to laugh at them too y2k, Jesus coming, and all that. Not anymore. More deadbeats with hand out and reciprocally shrinking producers makes for collapse. Just of matter of when. China cuts us off - we start printing 3 trillion a year, and/or taxing 100% of those still working. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:35:13 PM EDT
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Barring natural disasters, I think we've seen the end of widespread SHTF. No more world wars, plagues, millions dead, etc. Localized skirmishes and such like have been going on the past 20 years all over the world, and probably a decline of those at that. That is a very complacent attitude. There are more than six billion people on the planet. More and more of these people are rising to a quality of material existence that the earth cannot support. SHTF will happen, whether in a month, a year or a decade. That's a variation of the Population Bomb thesis. If we allow markets and technology to do their thing, it isn't likely an impending crisis. If we adopt socialist ideas that cripple our economy and reduce our options (i.e., follow the Obama Road) it becomes more likely. Keep in mind that the population is still increasing, and is projected to continue to increase with no end in sight. More people = less resources = increased possibility of widespread shortages, economic recession/depression/wars for resources. Remember that the main reason Hitler went to war in the East was to get more Lebensraum for the German people. Oh, and we sure seem to be doing well when it comes to adopting socialist ideas. Sure, the population is increasing, but in the past we have responded and provided the food needed, the Green Revolution. Right now, with genetically modified food, we have the makings of a second Green Revolution. When populations become prosperous, the population growth pretty much ends. I'm not saying we are guaranteed to be OK, far from it. But it could work out just fine. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:48:06 PM EDT
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As long as there is American idol, and people are kept fat and stupid, there will be no forthcoming revolt. You forgot Dancing with the Stars. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:49:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/9/2009 5:49:56 PM EDT
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this
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Posted: 6/9/2009 6:17:53 PM EDT
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I dont think we'll see SHTF in the United States except for regional stuff due to natural disasters. Still, Be Prepared. Yes, I think the natural disaster / riots / bad economy, rising crime scenario could happen quite easily. Prepare accordingly. I live near an major earthquake fault line. It behooves me to have food and water stored away, as well as a dependable rifle with sufficient ammunition. If we're talking New Madrid, I thought the recent conventional wisdom is that New Madrid is less likely to see increased activity. Oh well, WTF do I or the scientists know, especially when it comes to good ole Mother Nature. That bitch does what she feels like (which does get many, MANY laughs from me! |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 6:24:23 PM EDT
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Gold.....$20,000 to $50,000 an ounce.
Bread.....$150/loaf |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 6:31:53 PM EDT
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Barring natural disasters, I think we've seen the end of widespread SHTF. No more world wars, plagues, millions dead, etc. Localized skirmishes and such like have been going on the past 20 years all over the world, and probably a decline of those at that. That is a very complacent attitude. There are more than six billion people on the planet. More and more of these people are rising to a quality of material existence that the earth cannot support. SHTF will happen, whether in a month, a year or a decade. You speak the truth. Populations grow exponentially. If you can predict the amount of resources available you can predict where the curve is in the exponential line/hockey stick. We are past the curve. Why do you think government spending has gone up to 1.9 trillion. It is to service the resources we need to harvest. Not going to happen. We are on borrowed time. Once upon a time two men were walking through Africa. They came upon a hungry lion. One of the men sat down immediately and put on his shoes. The other man said what are you crazy? You cannot out run that lion. The man putting on his shoes looked the other man in the eyes and said I don't have to outrun the lion. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 6:36:07 PM EDT
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We already have SHTF in some parts of the country.
I dare anyone to go inside Detroit without a APC and a ma duece. That will spread everywhere if we start having failed treasury auctions, and that time might be here. |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 6:42:32 PM EDT
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SHTF is going to come. But in the next year, decade, our life time....... we don't know. this. What are you on Arfcom for OP?
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Posted: 6/9/2009 6:48:26 PM EDT
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I agree with you. I don't think anything major will ever occur. I believe this because as a whole people are lazy, dumb, and plain out a bunch of talkers and not doer's. Yeah, there are several of us who are motivated within our own worlds but none of us are willing to throw away our lives or the livelihoods of our families for "revolution," or whatever it is you want to call it. I think there will continue to be nothing more than rhetoric on all fronts around the world, people will continue to bitch, and no one will do a damn thing. Why do I know this, simple really ––- HISTORY..... Throughout history, no matter the time, people always thought the end was near. And history teaches us that it just wasn't so then and it will not be now. But please do not think I am insinuating going and living like a dumb fuck liberal retard. By all means stay prepared, stay informed, stay healthy, stay strong, and always be ready to do harm to your enemies. Just realize that it will most likely not be the "wolverine" style harm that will in fact take place. just my .02 as always. I like your sentiments, but can't necessarily agree with them. Most people ARE stupid/lazy/talkers, but it's the ones that aren't that we have to worry about... you know, the type that enjoy causing strife and think it will earn them 70 virgins and a special place in heaven. THEY are not so lazy, and ususally don't talk - they let their mouthpieces do that while they blow shit all to hell. To your next point, while I'd like to entertain a separate nation that actually FOLLOWS the Constitution, no, I'd prefer my son and daughter grow up in a world BETTER than I did. It's rather unnerving that I don't know if that will happen or not at the moment. Lastly, and I'll combine them - people DID think the world was going to end, and I have to argue you on this - THE WORLD DID END FOR MANY OF THEM. Ask the poor fucking Aztecs when the white man came - dead. Jews under Hitler - WAY dead. Anyone who's been on the losing side of genocide - rather dead with all of their families. While I rather hated the movie "Deep Impact," I do love Morgan Freedman's smoooooooth voice saying: "Life WILL go on. It just won't go on for all of us." (or something really close to that) That's kind of my SHTF attitude. Much like most here, we plan on being the ones to whom life DOES go on, but sadly that won't always be the case. **goes off to reevaluate the SHTF plan and load more Pmags** |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 6:52:23 PM EDT
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Aside from small STHF after a natral disaster like in New Orleans I doubt it will happen. And it will not be the "run around with your tactical gear and gun" fantsty like in the SHTF thread. Ah shucks.  Anybody want to buy some gear?
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