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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:40:20 PM EDT
[#1]
They suck and support socialist politicians.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:40:20 PM EDT
[#2]
IBTP
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:41:37 PM EDT
[#3]
They increase cost and lower production.They are killing this country.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:42:22 PM EDT
[#4]
They are the socialism that we are fighting in this country.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:44:00 PM EDT
[#5]
I believe that unions were started for the right reason and that was to protect worker's rights. They did accomplish that.
Now they have been perverted into greedy organizations that really care nothing about the worker, but only about lining corrupt leadership's pockets. Just my 2 cents worth. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:44:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:44:38 PM EDT
[#7]
They are a fungus.
The produce nothing and live on hosts by sucking the life out of them. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:45:47 PM EDT
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Look at the WONDERFUL things that the teachers' unions have done to public education in the USA (here is a hint: the Teachers Unions do NOT serve the interests of our children). The NEA (teachers union) nearly refused to endorse Bill Clinton for president simply because he called for "teacher competence testing" as governor of Arkansas. Yes, Virginia, the unions really are opposed to testing teachers for even basic competence.
When we finish discussing how unions have destroyed public school education, let us move onto the police unions (and the death of beats/foot patrols, community policing, etc). Police are nothing more than a clean-up squad for 911 these days. Unions have destroyed our future and our public safety. And guess who they funnel their $$ to? DEMOCRATS. And now? CARD CHECK (google it. oppose it). |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:45:58 PM EDT
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Fuck em. Only thing they are good for is a lazy worker
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:48:14 PM EDT
[#10]
It's a way to get paid more for your job than you're worth. And in the end, it has to kill your job and your company.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:49:27 PM EDT
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IMHO, the only people who actually like and support the unions are the overpaid crybabies who belong to them and would not be able to remain employed in a non-union environment.
YMMV. 
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:54:01 PM EDT
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They suck and support socialist politicians. yep, helping destroy or country |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:54:05 PM EDT
[#13]
The depths of my hatred for unions can not be properly explored in one posting no matter how long it is. I'd reach the limit of post size before I was half done venting my spleen.
I was in one. I am ashamed of the time I was. You never could imagine a more worthless organization. CJ |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:54:43 PM EDT
[#14]
I'm pretty indiffrent, worked union and non union jobs, bennhelped as much as hurt over the years by unions.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:54:57 PM EDT
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Cancer upon society.
Fuck unions. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:56:17 PM EDT
[#16]
lol
i can see the need for the...understand why they are there...i KINDA agree what the stand for.. but DONT agree with there practices... gets on my nerves |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:56:50 PM EDT
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Where useful a long, long time ago. Today no.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:58:42 PM EDT
[#18]
I love unions. Especially for skilled tradesmen. If a group of tradesmen want to band together and declare what their services are worth, and under what conditions they will perform them, I'm all for it.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:01:43 PM EDT
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Poll fails me. I do not hate unions blindly. In fact, I think that if they were eliminated altogether that you would see a marked decline in the standard of living among the vast majority of Americans––and not just the folks with union jobs. What I despise is unions that have abused their partners––and make no mistake about it, that's what these companies are––to the point of damaging them beyond viability.
Companies need labor. Labor needs an employer. It's a symbiotic relationship––or at least it should be––that has turned parasitic in way too many instances. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:03:25 PM EDT
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They raise unemployment, make the economy less efficient, drive up costs, create a culture of laziness, and create a backwards incentive structure.....they are the antiquated relic of a bygone time. The general rule is that whenever you have a strong, militant union, you will have shitty service, bad results, and eventually, a failed industry (or one necessitating gov't subsidization).
That said, I support their right to unionize, provided employees are offered both sides of the argument, a secret ballot, and are not compelled to join. For companies that genuinely mistreat their employees, the threat of unionization (rather than actual unionizing), is often enough to sort out the situation. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:03:26 PM EDT
[#21]
Unions keep a lazy man his job..
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:03:45 PM EDT
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I think that unions served that purpose during the first and second industrial revolution. People were treated horribly in the early factories and assembly lines. Today though there is a legal system, standards and avenues for recourse if need be. I don't think they are necessary anymore.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:03:47 PM EDT
[#23]
Unions are an odd thing. You need them until you have them, but as soon as you have them, they immediately become a plague upon the social/political landscape and you need to get rid of them.
Jane |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:03:50 PM EDT
[#24]
I clicked this thread because I thought it said "unicorns". Which I think are magical and totally awesome.
Unions. Not so much. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:04:58 PM EDT
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I believe that unions were started for the right reason and that was to protect worker's rights. They did accomplish that. Now they have been perverted into greedy organizations that really care nothing about the worker, but only about lining corrupt leadership's pockets. Just my 2 cents worth. My very sentiments. I worked in several unions. Most of the guy in the union are okay and a lot are like we are, but the leadership, is very corrupt and sly. They know all the tricks and even have things written into the contracts that the regular memebership do not know about, but when they vote to accept a contract, they get that too. Kind of like the pork on some of these 10,000 page porkulus bills in the Congress. There are some of the regular members who have been brainwashed and do not think for themselves. Where I worked we had many guys go to the union office and demand their union dues not go to support candidates for office. Now, that is standard operating procedure. Those come out of special donation funds from suckups. Of course those guys get special deals made for them. I always got something special from the union too....everytime I bent over. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:06:20 PM EDT
[#26]
I think unicorns taste great on toasted white bread with lettuce, tomato, and mayo.
-WhyTanFox |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:06:37 PM EDT
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I have worked in places that would have benefitted from them, and places that were ruined by them. In the first case it was because management was incompetent to the point of being dangerous, both for the employees and the citizens we served. A union would have advocated for safe working conditions and protected employees from discriminatory labor practices. In the second case the union took dues and made political contibutions, but did nothing to help it's members, and too much dead wood was protected by the union.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:08:05 PM EDT
[#28]
Once upon a time, they were an effective way to right many wrongs in the workplace. Now, it's just the opposite; they create more problems than they solve. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:08:26 PM EDT
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Look at the WONDERFUL things that the teachers' unions have done to public education in the USA (here is a hint: the Teachers Unions do NOT serve the interests of our children). The NEA (teachers union) nearly refused to endorse Bill Clinton for president simply because he called for "teacher competence testing" as governor of Arkansas. Yes, Virginia, the unions really are opposed to testing teachers for even basic competence. When we finish discussing how unions have destroyed public school education, let us move onto the police unions (and the death of beats/foot patrols, community policing, etc). Police are nothing more than a clean-up squad for 911 these days. Unions have destroyed our future and our public safety. And guess who they funnel their $$ to? DEMOCRATS. And now? CARD CHECK (google it. oppose it). Very, good point. It is amazing how screwed up the school system is. An extraordinary teacher has to work their tail off to work around all the B.S. to do a good job. There are some good teachers left too. But for the amount of money we are putting into this hole, we are not getting enough out. All the crap they feed the kids and indoctrinate them with is not worth it either. I sent mine to a parochial school. I had to pay my property/school tax and for the tuition, but the kids came out better. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:10:40 PM EDT
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I have nothing against the majority of the rank and file members. I've worked on Construction Projects with Union Carpenters, Plumbers, Electricians, Iron Workers, etc. and the majority of them are good, honest, hard working people. The Leadership and the Recruiters / Organizers are total scum though. They fleece their own members and could give a crap less about them. They are in it for the money and power nothing else.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:12:36 PM EDT
[#31]
The membership in most unions are fine people. Leadership in most unions are there for power and money.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:12:53 PM EDT
[#32]
Unions are vestigial organs that have become cancerous
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:14:34 PM EDT
[#33]
I think the people in unions are fine, but perhaps their leadership is askew.
I understand why so many here hate them, but I wish they could work for a year in a world that's never seen a union. They'd be crying for better working conditions and organized labor. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:15:07 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted: Where useful a long, long time ago. Today no. A common misconception - they were never useful. They've always been about using physical coercion to achieve their goals. They should never have had a single line of legislation to protect their activities. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:16:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Labor thugs.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:19:21 PM EDT
[#36]
"You can't treat the working man this way. One day we'll form a union and get the fair and equitable treatment we deserve! Then we'll go to far and get corrupt and shiftless, and the Japanese will eat us alive!"
-The Simpsons "Last exit to Springfield" I think it sums it up pretty well. Amazing what you can learn from a cartoon. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:23:36 PM EDT
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This will not end well...
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:25:36 PM EDT
[#38]
The problem with Unions is that they are a monopoly, which gives them negotiating power against companies. They did what any unregulated monopoly would do- they got rich. (Just like railroads of the last century, and OPEC.)
If there were only one steel supplier or only one glass supplier to the auto industry, the government would immediately step in to regulate their power and encourage competition. However, if there is only one supplier of labor, the libs in government take the opposite position and protect it. My state is a right-to-work state, which means that union membership is not compulsory in unionized shops. Because the unions have competition here (from non-union workers), they are unable to compete and have never caught on. I do think unions can provide some protection to workers, but they need to be regulated and/or have competition. Otherwise, abuse of power is inevitable, and corruption follows.. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:26:18 PM EDT
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I believe that unions were started for the right reason and that was to protect worker's rights. They did accomplish that. Now they have been perverted into greedy organizations that really care nothing about the worker, but only about lining corrupt leadership's pockets. Just my 2 cents worth. +1 |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:29:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Ok if they are kept in check and do as they were intended to keep people with a livable wage and a weekend and not ahving to work 14hrs a day 6 days a week no vacation forever.
Not ok for standing up for employees that should be fired, and not ok to make an employer pay a forklift driver $70/hr. So way left of arfcom, WAY right of the assholes in charge of the UAW |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:39:08 PM EDT
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Poll fails me. I do not hate unions blindly. In fact, I think that if they were eliminated altogether that you would see a marked decline in the standard of living among the vast majority of Americans––and not just the folks with union jobs. What I despise is unions that have abused their partners––and make no mistake about it, that's what these companies are––to the point of damaging them beyond viability. Companies need labor. Labor needs an employer. It's a symbiotic relationship––or at least it should be––that has turned parasitic in way too many instances. I feel the same way. Unions are as much about capitalism (labor organizes) as IPO's (capital organizes) - the problem is they overstepped their bounds when they started caring more about their members and themselves than the companies and customers. Teachers and administrators became more sanctified than school children and education they produce. Auto workers and so on. Today, not having any clout due to inferior product, only way they can maintain their presence is by force (taxation) which is an anathema to freedom and why I hate them so. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:40:08 PM EDT
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With out them think of what you wouyld make...
Next to nothing... but then things made in the US would be cheaper. They had their hay day but in most LARGE companies that only care about the bottom line they are needed. I am ex union and trust me You would have no benifits to speak of and make little of nothing while the CEOs make even more than they do now. Yes some in the union should be shit canned for riding the can't fire me wagon. I am in a small (Branch) non union copmpany right now and they seem to know who really makes them money................ I like the posts too Most of the upper Officials just seem to be in it for power and money |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:44:24 PM EDT
[#43]
Great org. if you need a pimp
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:45:17 PM EDT
[#44]
Are you new around here?
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:47:24 PM EDT
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I love unions. Especially for skilled tradesmen. If a group of tradesmen want to band together and declare what their services are worth, and under what conditions they will perform them, I'm all for it. So price fixing is ok with you then? An actual skilled tradesman doesn't need a union. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 8:02:09 PM EDT
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Poll fails me. I do not hate unions blindly. In fact, I think that if they were eliminated altogether that you would see a marked decline in the standard of living among the vast majority of Americans––and not just the folks with union jobs. What I despise is unions that have abused their partners––and make no mistake about it, that's what these companies are––to the point of damaging them beyond viability. Companies need labor. Labor needs an employer. It's a symbiotic relationship––or at least it should be––that has turned parasitic in way too many instances. I feel the same way. Unions are as much about capitalism (labor organizes) as IPO's (capital organizes) - the problem is they overstepped their bounds when they started caring more about their members and themselves than the companies and customers. Teachers and administrators became more sanctified than school children and education they produce. Auto workers and so on. Today, not having any clout due to inferior product, only way they can maintain their presence is by force (taxation) which is an anathema to freedom and why I hate them so. 
Unions are as capitalist as Lenin or Stalin. Unions are all about monopolizing the labor pool, ignoring any free market solution to whatever whiny horseshit imaginary problem they come up with. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 8:05:35 PM EDT
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They fucking suck, their members are typically idiots who drink the lefty koolaid, I've never worked with a lazier group of people in my life, they typically think they're entitled to something for nothing and aren't above acting like thugs.
I hope to see labor unions extinct in my lifetime. |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 8:06:46 PM EDT
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they have outlived their usefullness.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 8:09:27 PM EDT
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They've had their day in the sun, now they need to go away.
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Posted: 5/7/2009 8:13:28 PM EDT
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Blame GM, Ford and Chrysler falling.
There is a VW plant being built in my town. They wanted to start pay for people around $25 an hour. Thats good money and there were I dont know how many thousands of applicants for the few jobs they have. Before the ground broke for construction, the UAW came in with their lawyers and are trying to double the wages of the workers. Workers who arent even hired yet. I hope the workers fight the Union, those greedy bastards! They want higher wages so they get higher revenues. The UAW is destroying the Auto industry. I admit, unions were good back when we needed them. We dont need them anymore! We dont need criminals pushing our bosses around anymore. |
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