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I think her rhetoric is a lot stronger than her actual views.  From what I understand her voting record has not been that liberal.  I don’t care for her but I WILL vote for a candidate that promises to end to war.  From an economic perspective we are really screwing the future of this country.  The war costs something like $2 bn per week.  That level of spending is not sustainable.  Right now the People’s Bank of China (and many other foreign central banks and foreign individuals) is financing the war (it holds more treasuries bonds than any other single entity).  As a result wealth leaves the country every time the US makes interest payments on that debt.  This is compounded by the fact that the US has a net trade deficit of 6%.  Even to someone with no background in economics surely it is apparent that if capital is leaving this country that is a problem.  We have got to stop spending money we don’t have as a nation and as individuals (American’s spend 102% of what they make).  

This problem will be compounded by the aging work force which results in a smaller and smaller tax base to support a growing elderly population via Social Security and Medicare.  However, the tax base for roads, services, and the military will also be smaller.  

There is no social program that any liberal could ever conceive that would cost $2 bn a week.  Taxes will go up significantly in our lifetimes.  Ironically it is spending by Republicans not Dems that will necessitate a this sooner rather than later.

"Travis Bickle.  
Paging Mr Travis Bickle."

Quoted: I think her rhetoric is a lot stronger than her actual views.  From what I understand her voting record has not been that liberal.  I don’t care for her but I WILL vote for a candidate that promises to end to war.  From an economic perspective we are really screwing the future of this country.  The war costs something like $2 bn per week.  That level of spending is not sustainable.  Right now the People’s Bank of China (and many other foreign central banks and foreign individuals) is financing the war (it holds more treasuries bonds than any other single entity).  As a result wealth leaves the country every time the US makes interest payments on that debt.  This is compounded by the fact that the US has a net trade deficit of 6%.  Even to someone with no background in economics surely it is apparent that if capital is leaving this country that is a problem.  We have got to stop spending money we don’t have as a nation and as individuals (American’s spend 102% of what they make).   This problem will be compounded by the aging work force which results in a smaller and smaller tax base to support a growing elderly population via Social Security and Medicare.  However, the tax base for roads, services, and the military will also be smaller.   There is no social program that any liberal could ever conceive that would cost $2 bn a week.  Taxes will go up significantly in our lifetimes.  Ironically it is spending by Republicans not Dems that will necessitate a this sooner rather than later.

Social Security costs over a billion a day.

Medicare and Medicade are over 500 billion a year.

Quoted: Quoted: I think her rhetoric is a lot stronger than her actual views.  From what I understand her voting record has not been that liberal.  I don’t care for her but I WILL vote for a candidate that promises to end to war.  From an economic perspective we are really screwing the future of this country.  The war costs something like $2 bn per week.  That level of spending is not sustainable.  Right now the People’s Bank of China (and many other foreign central banks and foreign individuals) is financing the war (it holds more treasuries bonds than any other single entity).  As a result wealth leaves the country every time the US makes interest payments on that debt.  This is compounded by the fact that the US has a net trade deficit of 6%.  Even to someone with no background in economics surely it is apparent that if capital is leaving this country that is a problem.  We have got to stop spending money we don’t have as a nation and as individuals (American’s spend 102% of what they make).   This problem will be compounded by the aging work force which results in a smaller and smaller tax base to support a growing elderly population via Social Security and Medicare.  However, the tax base for roads, services, and the military will also be smaller.   There is no social program that any liberal could ever conceive that would cost $2 bn a week.  Taxes will go up significantly in our lifetimes.  Ironically it is spending by Republicans not Dems that will necessitate a this sooner rather than later. Social Security costs over a billion a day. Medicare and Medicade are over 500 billion a year.

Medicare and Medicade combine for $592 billion in the 07 budget too.

Quoted: I need T P for my bungholio!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think her rhetoric is a lot stronger than her actual views.  From what I understand her voting record has not been that liberal.  I don’t care for her but I WILL vote for a candidate that promises to end to war.  From an economic perspective we are really screwing the future of this country.  The war costs something like $2 bn per week.  That level of spending is not sustainable.  Right now the People’s Bank of China (and many other foreign central banks and foreign individuals) is financing the war (it holds more treasuries bonds than any other single entity).  As a result wealth leaves the country every time the US makes interest payments on that debt.  This is compounded by the fact that the US has a net trade deficit of 6%.  Even to someone with no background in economics surely it is apparent that if capital is leaving this country that is a problem.  We have got to stop spending money we don’t have as a nation and as individuals (American’s spend 102% of what they make).   This problem will be compounded by the aging work force which results in a smaller and smaller tax base to support a growing elderly population via Social Security and Medicare.  However, the tax base for roads, services, and the military will also be smaller.   There is no social program that any liberal could ever conceive that would cost $2 bn a week.  Taxes will go up significantly in our lifetimes.  Ironically it is spending by Republicans not Dems that will necessitate a this sooner rather than later. Social Security costs over a billion a day. Medicare and Medicade are over 500 billion a year. Medicare and Medicade combine for $592 billion in the 07 budget too.

I was a little late with my edit to add that.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think her rhetoric is a lot stronger than her actual views.  From what I understand her voting record has not been that liberal.  I don’t care for her but I WILL vote for a candidate that promises to end to war.  From an economic perspective we are really screwing the future of this country.  The war costs something like $2 bn per week.  That level of spending is not sustainable.  Right now the People’s Bank of China (and many other foreign central banks and foreign individuals) is financing the war (it holds more treasuries bonds than any other single entity).  As a result wealth leaves the country every time the US makes interest payments on that debt.  This is compounded by the fact that the US has a net trade deficit of 6%.  Even to someone with no background in economics surely it is apparent that if capital is leaving this country that is a problem.  We have got to stop spending money we don’t have as a nation and as individuals (American’s spend 102% of what they make).   This problem will be compounded by the aging work force which results in a smaller and smaller tax base to support a growing elderly population via Social Security and Medicare.  However, the tax base for roads, services, and the military will also be smaller.   There is no social program that any liberal could ever conceive that would cost $2 bn a week.  Taxes will go up significantly in our lifetimes.  Ironically it is spending by Republicans not Dems that will necessitate a this sooner rather than later. Social Security costs over a billion a day. Medicare and Medicade are over 500 billion a year. Medicare and Medicade combine for $592 billion in the 07 budget too. I was a little late with my edit to add that.

I should have been more clear; I meant additional programs.  (Some sort of expanded welfare.)  For comparison I believe the Pentagon asked for a $660 bn budget for this year.

Quoted: snip MT was always planned as a "decompression stop" to see how I'd deal with a more rural environment.  The last thing I wanted to do was jump into "really rural" and find out I couldn't deal with it.  As it turns out I'm fine with it and miss very little about urban "conveniences".  The hermit/recluse lifestyle seems to suit me.

Hope you found a Good Woman before you bugged out.

We all know how hard it is to find a mate for a moody loner with an assault rifle.

Quoted: Sad as this and as much as I hate to say this here is the reality.... Hillary has more money raised than anyone. Many will elect her thinking it's a way for Bill to get back in. 90% of the population still thinks that Clinton made the economy great. (it was Reaganomics but many think it was Bill) The media loves her. There isn't a conservative running right now that can beat her. Rudy is not a conservative, but the only one so far according to polls with a chance. The sad fact is this..... She may end up getting elected. Unfortunately, we are the minority. Unfortunately the majority of those who do vote, vote based on the "feel good" sound bites. I sure hope I am wrong here, I really do. BUT I think you may be looking at the next President. I mean face it, I never thought her husband would get in the first time, and I was shocked that he got re-elected for a second term. The mob is unfortunately acutely unaware of the issues and consequences of their voting trends. It's gonna be a long 2 yrs watching this stuff.

Sorry to say I think you are right on all counts.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think her rhetoric is a lot stronger than her actual views.  From what I understand her voting record has not been that liberal.  I don’t care for her but I WILL vote for a candidate that promises to end to war.  From an economic perspective we are really screwing the future of this country.  The war costs something like $2 bn per week.  That level of spending is not sustainable.  Right now the People’s Bank of China (and many other foreign central banks and foreign individuals) is financing the war (it holds more treasuries bonds than any other single entity).  As a result wealth leaves the country every time the US makes interest payments on that debt.  This is compounded by the fact that the US has a net trade deficit of 6%.  Even to someone with no background in economics surely it is apparent that if capital is leaving this country that is a problem.  We have got to stop spending money we don’t have as a nation and as individuals (American’s spend 102% of what they make).   This problem will be compounded by the aging work force which results in a smaller and smaller tax base to support a growing elderly population via Social Security and Medicare.  However, the tax base for roads, services, and the military will also be smaller.   There is no social program that any liberal could ever conceive that would cost $2 bn a week.  Taxes will go up significantly in our lifetimes.  Ironically it is spending by Republicans not Dems that will necessitate a this sooner rather than later. Social Security costs over a billion a day. Medicare and Medicade are over 500 billion a year. Medicare and Medicade combine for $592 billion in the 07 budget too. I was a little late with my edit to add that. I should have been more clear; I meant additional programs.  (Some sort of expanded welfare.)  For comparison I believe the Pentagon asked for a $660 bn budget for this year.

I guess universal health care for 45 million people would cost less than the 500+B that Medicare costs to cover 41 million people.

Hitlery will self destruct. Any tough questioning and she will go ballistic. That woman has a temper meaner than a pissed off rattle snake. I read a book wrote by a ex secret service agent who was in the White House when the Clintons was there. He got his ass chewed out by Hillary using every cuss word in her vocabulary which he says is worse than any sailor. What did he do you ask. He opened the door for her because her hands were full of books. What a 14 carret BITCH.

Quoted: Hitlery will self destruct. Any tough questioning and she will go ballistic. That woman has a temper meaner than a pissed off rattle snake.

Well she was elected Senator from one of the bigger states so she knows how to run a successful campaign.  I’m not so sure she will crack under pressure...

I hate her but she is better than Obama.

Quoted: Quoted: Hitlery will self destruct. Any tough questioning and she will go ballistic. That woman has a temper meaner than a pissed off rattle snake. Well she was elected Senator from one of the bigger states so she knows how to run a successful campaign.  I’m not so sure she will crack under pressure... I hate her but she is better than Obama.

Thing is, she's been basically the same from day one - and she got elected.  I never thought she'd become a Senator.

Her getting elected was kind of a milestone in my confidence of the American voter.

I can see her in the WH.

Then again, I hope I'm wrong, and you're right copenhagen.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hitlery will self destruct. Any tough questioning and she will go ballistic. That woman has a temper meaner than a pissed off rattle snake. Well she was elected Senator from one of the bigger states so she knows how to run a successful campaign.  I’m not so sure she will crack under pressure... I hate her but she is better than Obama. Thing is, she's been basically the same from day one - and she got elected.  I never thought she'd become a Senator. Her getting elected was kind of a milestone in my confidence of the American voter. I can see her in the WH. Then again, I hope I'm wrong, and you're right copenhagen.

You could be right but God Save Us All if that woman is elected president. A last stand in Montana might be called for against her and her communist and socialist hordes.

Quoted: I think her rhetoric is a lot stronger than her actual views.  From what I understand her voting record has not been that liberal.  I don’t care for her but I WILL vote for a candidate that promises to end to war.  From an economic perspective we are really screwing the future of this country.  The war costs something like $2 bn per week.  That level of spending is not sustainable.  Right now the People’s Bank of China (and many other foreign central banks and foreign individuals) is financing the war (it holds more treasuries bonds than any other single entity).  As a result wealth leaves the country every time the US makes interest payments on that debt.  This is compounded by the fact that the US has a net trade deficit of 6%.  Even to someone with no background in economics surely it is apparent that if capital is leaving this country that is a problem.  We have got to stop spending money we don’t have as a nation and as individuals (American’s spend 102% of what they make).   This problem will be compounded by the aging work force which results in a smaller and smaller tax base to support a growing elderly population via Social Security and Medicare.  However, the tax base for roads, services, and the military will also be smaller.   There is no social program that any liberal could ever conceive that would cost $2 bn a week.  Taxes will go up significantly in our lifetimes.  Ironically it is spending by Republicans not Dems that will necessitate a this sooner rather than later.

It's partially the war in Iraq but government spending in general is out of control. It's definitely expensive though and there would have been better uses for the money or it could have just not been spent. Depending on whether you believe Iraq will total $700 billion or $1 trillion the cost to each American will be $2,333 - $3,333. A good chunk of change.

Quoted: So, how will she get the terrorists to stop attacking?

o you know

by appeasing them, and giving into their demands, shaming the US military, and sending them hitlery bobble head dolls as a gift and gesture of peace and the new American diplomacy

hillary...if she wins, we all lose

I don't think that the Hitler comparison is valid.

Hitler wanted to make Germany stronger militarily and economicly and Hitler also wanted to avenge Germany's military disgrace from WWI. Hillary wants to weaken America militarily and economicly and she wants to subject the country to another military disgrace despite the lessons which should have been learned from Vietnam.

Quoted: So, how will she get the terrorists to stop attacking?

Stop terrorists from attacking?

My good man, why would she want to stop terrorists from attacking? They are no threat to us. The threat to this nation is Big Oil, Haliburton, our unwillingness to surrender our sovergeinty to the United Nations, poverty among the lazy and law abiding Americans with guns. Besides, how often do terrorists fly airplanes into buildings anyways?

In all that screeching she does - she NEVER utters the word "win".

Democrats have millions of plans for "ending" the war.

They have NO plans for "winning" the war.

Quoted: In all that screeching she does - she NEVER utters the word "win". Democrats have millions of plans for "ending" the war. They have NO plans for "winning" the war.

Bush's plan for winning the war sure is working!  Silly democrats could learn a lot from him.  

I think the best think that could happen is an all out civil war after we leave.  Iraq could distract the Muslims from the west and focus on killing each other.  Sunnis from all over the Middle East and Shiites from Iran could come to Iraq to fight it out.  

I cannot understand why people say civil war would be a bad thing.  Seems to me that if two groups that hate us are busy killing each other we win!

Quoted: Quoted: Hitlery will self destruct. Any tough questioning and she will go ballistic. That woman has a temper meaner than a pissed off rattle snake. Well she was elected Senator from one of the bigger states so she knows how to run a successful campaign.  I’m not so sure she will crack under pressure... I hate her but she is better than Obama.

dude she is satan's hand maiden  

osama obama's baby mama is pretty damn bad, but hitlery...she is the worst possible thing that could happen to this country short of a nuclear strike and a full on invasion of zombie ROPers, the red army, and the chicoms combined

dont beleive what portrait the media paints of her...she is bad news

Quoted: I need T P for my bungholio!

Such a stunning resemblance, but offensive to cornholio.

Quoted: I think her rhetoric is a lot stronger than her actual views.  From what I understand her voting record has not been that liberal.  I don’t care for her but I WILL vote for a candidate that promises to end to war.  From an economic perspective we are really screwing the future of this country.  The war costs something like $2 bn per week.  That level of spending is not sustainable.

You could not be more wrongheaded.  As of October 2007 the federal government will spend 2.59 trillion a year (that is over $7 billion a day, or over $21 billion a week).  Old age programs (Social InSecurity and Medicare) alone will be over $1 trillion in FY2008.  Welfare (Medicaid, etc.) appears to be heading for half a trillion a year in FY2008.  These costs dwarf even the inflated war cost estimates you are tossing out.  We could pay for the entire Iraq War with one year's COLA for Social Security.  

Remember, "the war" includes lots of spending that the military, state department, CIA, etc. would be doing anyway, and billed to other activities.  This fiscal year's supplemental to pay for the entire War on Terror program (which includes Afganistan, Horn of Africa, and a bunch of other items) is likely to be $50 billion.  

GunLvr

Quoted: She wins and I'm selling off almost everything I own save my 4x4, motorcycle and guns and get a couple of acres of land in Wyoming so far off map you'll need a hunting dog and a Ouija board to find me. I'd rather spend my last days in a tiny cabin by myself rather than watch this nation die at her hands (and most of the people around me thinking that it's a Good Thing).

Thats what I plan to do already.

Soooo....who is building the AR15.com compound we're all going to have to move to?

Anyone?

Hillary as President with the Dems in control of the Congress appointing even more left wing justices to the federal courts = the Constitution GONE.  

Quoted: Quoted: In all that screeching she does - she NEVER utters the word "win". Democrats have millions of plans for "ending" the war. They have NO plans for "winning" the war. Bush's plan for winning the war sure is working!  Silly democrats could learn a lot from him.   I think the best think that could happen is an all out civil war after we leave.  Iraq could distract the Muslims from the west and focus on killing each other.  Sunnis from all over the Middle East and Shiites from Iran could come to Iraq to fight it out.   I cannot understand why people say civil war would be a bad thing.  Seems to me that if two groups that hate us are busy killing each other we win!

Someone like China or Russia would exploit a US civil war and wait for us to take each other down only to come in to kll off the victor.  

Not  that I think it would really last too long as the liberals are wussies.  

Makes me even wonder why I am buying guns, only for them to be taken away.......

Quoted: Makes me even wonder why I am buying guns, only for them to be taken away.......

If you're going to let them get taken away then you should probably sell them.