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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:04:54 PM EDT
These pictures are taken at Camp Taji in Iraq, there are a shitload of old Iraqi vehicles sitting and rotting there. These pictures barely scratch the surface.
You can see that Joe and Jarhead have gone crazy with the spay cans. I can ID most, some of this stuff is a little bit more obscure.                    These are a small fraction of whats there. Most of it is trash, but some look like they could be driven away with a little PMCS. |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:09:25 PM EDT
[#1]
That's alot of BTR's and BRDM's!
Looks like he had a few Chieftans mixed-in with his '55s and '62's too. |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:11:16 PM EDT
[#2]
I sure would like to have one of those tanks,shipping would be a bitch,though. I'm sure someone is looking at all that for the scrap metal value(just like Viet Nam,the Japanese bought up most of the old military junk for scrap metal)
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:16:05 PM EDT
[#3]
group buy?
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:17:11 PM EDT
[#4]
If Treadhead or MM don't know, I sure as hell don't.
 1) BRDM 2) VT-55? 3) ? 4) Old Centurion? 5) MTLB? with a BM-14 mounted. 6) ? 7) Same as #4, but? 8) MTLB 9) MTLB 10) ? 11) BM-21 MLRS. 12) ? 13) MTLB 14) BMP-2? (Looks a bit high) 15) Dunno. Always get confused between the T54/55 and barrel differences. 16) See above. 17) ? 18) ? 19) T-72 20) ? |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:17:44 PM EDT
[#5]
Katuysha Rocket Trucks
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:21:05 PM EDT
[#6]
I knew it was Taji before I clicked the link- been there a few times.
Is the pink T-72 still there? |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:21:39 PM EDT
[#7]
4 pic from bottom is Iraq's navy, Pre-war.
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:22:25 PM EDT
[#8]
How the hell did I miss this thread?
Give me a minute, I'll be right back. NTM |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:25:38 PM EDT
[#9]
I want me one of them Iraqi jon boats with the MG mount...
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:26:05 PM EDT
[#10]
Dude, you're probably closer-on than I am 9It's been ALOT of years since threat vehicle I.D. was my forte!). You may be right about the MTLB's (That I identified as BTR's), they were just getting added to the list (As far as tankers needing to identify them) when I ETS'd the first time in '84. As for the "BM-21's" (A really cost-effective rig as far as I was concerned), I still think of those as being based on near 50 yr old trucks and those cab's look a little more recent than that (?) Same effect downrange but I'm not "Sure" those would still be '21's (I'm entirely prepared to be wrong though!  )
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:26:33 PM EDT
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If any of those vehicles were shot up, theres a good chance theres depleted uranium in them. Not a good idea to climb around in those things. We had a big tank grave yard near Ali Al Salem AB, Kuwait when I was there for OIF. The whole are was full of DU. Now if those vehicles were just abandoned, let the fun begin.
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:26:51 PM EDT
[#12]
i want to play paintball there.
and bring one home |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 8:34:02 PM EDT
[#13]
I just noticed that those "BTR's" had tracks. They AIN'T '50's and the '60's had wheels so, MTLB's they be.
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Posted: 12/28/2006 9:08:16 PM EDT
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BRDM-2. It's a T-54/55/Type59 to its right.
BTS-3. (Also known as an SPK-12G) T-54 with M-160 160mm mortar. Chieftain. Could be captured Iranian or Kuwaiti, can't tell from that picture. MTLB with mounted 107mm PRLS. One of the PRLS mounts is missing. Of note is the fact that that vehicle was built for the Iraq-sponsored "Iranian National Liberation Army", not for the Iraqi Army. "Long Track" acquisition radar for SA-6 batteries. (Could also be used with SA-8s) It's another Chieftain. Shame to seem them in such a condition, one of my favouritest ever tanks. Two MTLBs, an AMX-10P, and the Long Track again. The Long Track Difficult. The launcher is definitely an Iraqi-built "Launcher 81" system, though I can't be sure of the truck type. Ouch. I think it's a PPS heavy girder folding pontoon transporter. I wouldn't stake my reputation on it though. MTLB again Another AMX-10P T-62 T-54 (Not a T-55) Funny unarmoured floaty non-tracked things. T54/55/Type 59. (Can't tell) [Edited: Ack. I got this one wrong. (I know, I know) Thought the gun looked wrong: It's a Type-69-I as the chap below (Black Tiger) says. The giveaways aren't the racks, but the rangefinder above the slightly elongated gun, and the sideskirts.] T-72. Of note is the lack of splashguard indicating it could actually be an Assad Babyle, which is basically just a locally produced T-72. Chieftains again. i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/fightinghellfish/IraqMission06-07391.jpg I shall now go back and grade the previous answers. |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 9:11:46 PM EDT
[#15]
Perfect static display vehicles; clean them up, put a coat of paint, redo the markings and you can put them all in a yard; looks to me like additions to the Patton Armor Museum in Ft. Knox or at the Anniston Army Depot in Anniston, Al.
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Posted: 12/28/2006 9:42:10 PM EDT
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Truck is a Russian GAZ-66. |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 9:44:19 PM EDT
[#17]
OK, for educational/discussion purposes.
Quoted: 2) VT-55? Nope. VT-55 is the Czech-built ARV which has the crane mounted on the rear. This has the crane on the front.  11) BM-21 MLRS. Can't be, I'll explain below 15) Dunno. Always get confused between the T54/55 and barrel differences. That's OK. Contrary to popular belief, there aren't any. The presence or lack thereof of a fume extractor on the end of the gun does not differentiate between the two models. Quoted: British Chieftain tank, extensively modified with external stowage racks and boxes Doesn't look that extensively modified: They just have the normally present boxes open.  Wheeled Katyusha rocket launchers I'll take this together with the BM-21 guess. "Katyusha" has taken on the concept of a name becoming a category, like 'Hoover'. In its 'normal' form (BM-13) it is a rail-mounted system, not tube-launched  BM-21 (Grad) was actually my first thought, but there are two things that remark against. Firstly, the number of tubes: BM-21 is usually a 40-tube launcher. Secondly, BM-21 has a 6-wheeled chassis (with exception of the Grad-V airmobile verion, but the truck's wrong for that: I checked). I am in no doubt about the launcher, but ordinarily the Iraqis mounted it on a GAZ-66 4x4 truck. The catch is that a GAZ-66 has, as far as I know, rounded fenders over the rear wheels, not angular ones. (At least, the pictures of Iraqi ones I have do) It's possible that a later 'generation' of GAZ-66 is pictured, I honestly don't know. Chinese made trachked APC French, actually. I presume they picked them up with the other French stuff in the 1980s. T-55 tank Look at the roadwheel spacing. T-54/55 have a gap between the first two wheels. T-62 has the gap between the last two wheels. Ordinarily the location of the fume extractor is another differentiator, but the Iraqis re-fitted some of their T-55s with 125mm cannon with the fume extractor a third the way back, just like the T-62's 115mm. T-64 tank Three reasons this can't be. Most obviously, T-64 was never exported: Only the Soviets ever used it. Secondly, a T-64 has 'stamped' roadwheels, like a BMP or MTLB. The wheels are also tiny. Thirdly, T-64 is unique in that the IR searchlight is mounted to the left of the gun, not the right.  NTM |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 10:30:10 PM EDT
[#18]
Very cool pics! Thanks for posting!
-K |
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Posted: 12/28/2006 10:38:28 PM EDT
[#19]
VERY cool!! Thanks for posting them. I'll take 3 of each please. UPS pickup?
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Posted: 12/28/2006 11:50:53 PM EDT
[#20]
The Chieftains will most likely be captured Kuwaiti ones.
If anyone wants a Chieftain you can buy a running one with @100 hours use for £12,000, ($20,000), over here in the UK, shipping charges for 60 tons would be a bitch tho!!! ANdy |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 12:15:02 AM EDT
[#21]
ETA: Hats off to the Armor buffs here
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Posted: 12/29/2006 12:34:02 AM EDT
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Sorry for the hijack, but what is the small blade thingy that looks like it is mounted on the large blade for? |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 12:43:14 AM EDT
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Excellent, MM!
And Vito, I don't suppose those Chieftain come with the L11s? Make a helluva addition to the Arfcom Army...
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Posted: 12/29/2006 6:15:29 AM EDT
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Didn't notice it before. It appears to be a depth skid: Means that you are removing only a certain depth of topsoil each swipe. I presume it's either for dealing with mines, or for contaminated ground.  NTM |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 6:24:22 AM EDT
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More stuff for Kiesler's!(if you don't know,Kiesler's is a big fun shop in Clarksville IN,ask to go behind the shop,last time I was there,there was an M24 Chaffe,German 88 AAA,and lots of other neat stuff too)
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Posted: 12/29/2006 6:24:44 AM EDT
[#26]
Oh thanks, I 'm always very impressed by your knowledge of these matters
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Posted: 12/29/2006 6:50:17 AM EDT
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Are these his personal collection, or are they for sale? Just wondering. If they're for sale, I'm surpised that the Chaffee hasn't been snatched up, as well as the 88. Of course, as other vehicle collectors/restorers will know, there are folks out there, just like car collectors, whose asking price makes you think that there must be armor-plated gold under the fading paint, instead of steel. |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 6:52:28 AM EDT
[#28]
That 160mm mortar looks like damn effective fire support.
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Posted: 12/29/2006 7:05:34 AM EDT
[#29]
Russian GAZ-66 trucks |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 7:24:16 AM EDT
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i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/fightinghellfish/IraqMission06-07347.jpg
i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/fightinghellfish/IraqMission06-07338.jpg There are a pair of these at our Division's museum, Korean War capture. You gotta give it to Saddam, he had top notch state of the art stuff 
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Posted: 12/29/2006 7:24:37 AM EDT
[#31]
His collection sits behind the shop,can't miss all the M35/M880s,that sit out front. |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 7:31:42 AM EDT
[#32]
Out of curiosity how do you tell a T-54 from a T-55? And how do you tell those from the Chinese copy?
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Posted: 12/29/2006 7:47:19 AM EDT
[#33]
If they're labeled as Korean War captures, somebody goofed. MTLBs and T-62s are early 1960s equipment, at the very earliest. |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 7:48:20 AM EDT
[#34]
All is revealed……… T-54/55? Mobile targets for M1's and Challengers… ANdy |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 7:55:43 AM EDT
[#35]
No one spray painted "WOLVERINES"?
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:06:16 AM EDT
[#36]
 just I learn more here by accident. |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:17:30 AM EDT
[#37]
Heres a couple more...
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:17:52 AM EDT
[#38]
What about all the UAZ 469 Russian jeeps? Many there?
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:25:35 AM EDT
[#39]
I don't recall seeing any at the graveyard.
I have seen a couple of those little Russki jeeps still being used by US or Coaltion forces for on base driving. I imagine that anything that was straight "automotive" in nature might have gotten the numbers sprayed painted over and driven home by Iraqis at the end of the invasion. |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:25:53 AM EDT
[#40]
Is that last picture a 577 (aka 113 with the Jed Clampett add on)?
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:28:19 AM EDT
[#41]
Yep |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:28:40 AM EDT
[#42]
Maybe it's a 54/55. I'll have to check tomorrow. If someone will host, I can get pics. |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:31:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:38:45 AM EDT
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All that I know is that I wouldn't mind having one of those for a BOV
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:41:58 AM EDT
[#45]
I think the worst MOS in the Iraqi Army was probably "Maintenance Admin".
Getting parts sorted out for that hodge podge must've been a nightmare. |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:45:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:47:32 AM EDT
[#47]
UAZ had the bright idea of selling them in the US,they made it as far as the Baltimore docks,as NHTSA/EPA had different ideas on that.Shame,as they're sized just right. |
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:51:48 AM EDT
[#48]
The knowledge here is amazing !
I want
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Posted: 12/29/2006 8:53:05 AM EDT
[#49]
 No shortage of paint bombs there either!
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Posted: 12/29/2006 9:11:22 AM EDT
[#50]
Yes you could! It uses standard commercial truck rims and tyres along with a commercial Detroit Diesel Allison MT643 TX and 6V-53N engine. ANdy |
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