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Posted: 9/6/2001 3:34:48 PM EDT
[#1]
What do you already have? It's easier to reccomend something if we know what gaps need to be filled.
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Posted: 9/6/2001 3:58:20 PM EDT
[#2]
Bushy AK, 10/22, Mossburg 500.
-Thanks |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:01:43 PM EDT
[#3]
I it was me I would get a full size battle rifle, either a FAL or a CETME.
Or a CMP Garand for $419.95 delivered, then buy clips and ammo. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:10:10 PM EDT
[#4]
For under $500 I would buy and SAR 1 or 3
The reasons as follows. I have shot all of the above and find the SARs the best value. The 3 might need to go back to century for tweaking if you find a problem but for the price you can have a great rifle at rock bottom price and have a whole bunch of long mags and ammo. The advantage of the 3 is its in .223 and you can swap ammo with the AR. Other than that both of my SARs shoot to point of aim and if you don't like the look or finish you could have it redone and still get out cheaper than buying one of the other choices. Besides its an AK and even the cheap ones always work. FYI, the only real difference between the cheap AKs and the expensive ones ( postban ) is the cosmetics. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:15:07 PM EDT
[#5]
What is a CETME?
What FAL is best for the price? I definetly want a DSA afer I graduate. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:17:21 PM EDT
[#6]
SARs are the AKs I am condidering, bedsides the expensive Veprs. I like the idea of having a 7.62 though. It is cheap, and most importantly...different.
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:17:23 PM EDT
[#7]
I'd probably go with the AR-180, but IT IS an awful like the AR- regardless I've always thought they looked cool - plus the IRA uses them.
Other than that, there's always been a soft spot in my heart (and in my safe) for another CMP M1. Getting one of these rifles makes me more giddy than a kid on Christmas morning. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:17:39 PM EDT
[#8]
ditto on the CMP Garand.
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:21:29 PM EDT
[#9]
The CETME is a Spanish rifle that came before the G-3 but shares the same basic design and uses the same mags. Looks like a G-3 with wood furniture.
[img]www.gunsnammo.com/index_files/riflesmain2_files/CETME.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:24:08 PM EDT
[#10]
I am the anti-AK him self but that's just me.
You should most likey buy the AK cuz you really can't f@#$%up an AK like you can something more complex like a FN or G3 and you said you have an AR,so I would buy the AK. I had a hess G3 and will never buy a copy again. The only copied guns that are ever any good are 1911s and ARs. $500.00 is not all the money in the world but it's to much just to throw away. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:31:52 PM EDT
[#11]
Thanks, any info on the Kel-Tec?
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:37:19 PM EDT
[#12]
MP if you are considering an SAR 1 I say go for it. A great value, right around $300 , and the ammo is cheap. Mags are cheap, and it looks cool. It does raise the eyebrows at the range. But be warned, once you go AK you'll never go back. They are addicting.
Sold my colt and Mini 14 and ppk, and all my black powder guns, AK its all you really need :) |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 4:55:17 PM EDT
[#13]
SAR1 is a good choice, plus you'll have money left over ammo and mags. Even though I prefer my AR's, I think everyone should own at least one AK. I will tell you though, I've never had much luck accuracy wise with AK's. But then they're not designed for paper punching.
On the other hand, I also thank that everyone should own an FAL. In my opinion the best .308 battle rifle. I bought a CAI one on an Imbel receiver, and I love mine. But you may have to shell out a few more dollars to get it running right, sometimes just a new gas piston though. As far as accuracy, not quite as good as an AR, but far more accurate than an AK. And they are plenty reliable. I guess it depends on how accurate a rifle you want. Anyway, hope this helps. Edited because I can. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 5:10:27 PM EDT
[#14]
Keep saving, get something better.
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Posted: 9/6/2001 5:30:46 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted: Keep saving, get something better. [;)][;)][;)][;)] |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 5:42:06 PM EDT
[#16]
CDNN has a nice new ak out that is $449.00 and has a nice muzzlebrake already attached. It ain't too ugly either. What would be the potential use for this gun you want to buy? Protection, hunting, shooting, all three?
for deer hunting- get a .308 fal g3 or CETME. protection - get a real accurate rifle. shooting - something ammo is fairly cheap for. a .308 fits all of those criteria so you are good to go on that. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 6:35:57 PM EDT
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I'm leaning towards the SAR, maybe the Kel Tec. Where is a good place to find a new in box SAR-1 online?
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Posted: 9/6/2001 6:48:35 PM EDT
[#18]
Take a look at http://www.aimsurplus.com
Also check the AK forum for further advice. Campy is a very knowledgeable guy. |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 6:50:43 PM EDT
[#19]
Check out AIM Surplus, they've got about the best deals on them, and they're good people to deal with.
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Posted: 9/6/2001 6:55:46 PM EDT
[#20]
KelTec? Don't go crazy, man! That is one of the most worthless weapons I can think of. To top it off, it's 9mm!
The only reason anyone has ever bought one of these is because they look "bad ass." Personally, when I see someone who owns one I think "Hmmm, they don't know squat about guns so they bought that worthless POS." No flame or offence intended...I would avoid it like sex with Janet Reno! |
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Posted: 9/6/2001 7:33:56 PM EDT
[#21]
Hey tailgate some of us do have descent and good guns and still like the funky looking ones also I know the look your talking about when I come off the rifle range to shoot my m11/9 on the pistol range and those old grumpy guys just gaulk at me PEE on that SOME of the CETME rifles are under 400.00 now!!!!!! [rocket]
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Posted: 9/6/2001 11:39:50 PM EDT
[#22]
you got mail.....
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Posted: 9/6/2001 11:55:28 PM EDT
[#23]
Left-over LEGP???
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Posted: 9/7/2001 4:18:44 AM EDT
[#24]
What do you currently have and what are you favorite calibers?
For $500, you may want to get the mini-14 plus a 10/22, this way you can shoot the mini-14 for a while than switch to the 10/22 and shoot all day for only a few dollars. |
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Posted: 9/7/2001 1:21:53 PM EDT
[#25]
Save your money and buy a DSA or a Bushy M4gery.
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Posted: 9/7/2001 1:27:42 PM EDT
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[img]http://www.dsarms.com/images/ds_sa58kit1.jpg[/img]
Nuff said. |
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Posted: 9/7/2001 1:52:11 PM EDT
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1. any AK under $500, including Vepr II
Sar 1,2, or 3 if you want to go cheap, but the Vepr II is really nice and comes in in 7.62 or .223, 5.45 should be out soon. 2.AR-180-Armalite Who knows, not available yet, I got one on order. Too much like an AR if you want something different. 3.Kel Tec sub 2000 in 9mm I wouldn't. (low cap mags) 4.mini-14 Definately not. (bad accuracy, good hi-cap mags hard to find and expensive) 5.G3 copy 6.FAL clone Both of these clones that are available for under $500 are a potential POS. Either save enough to get a good one ($800-$1800) or be ready to learn how to gunsmith to make it work. Best bang for the buck is probably the SAR's, but could have problems (canted sights, trigger slap, etc..), that said I would go with the Vepr II, good looks, great reliability, better accuracy than your normal AK. High caps cheap and plentiful, ammo cheap. Now you still have to choose caliber. |
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Posted: 9/7/2001 1:58:25 PM EDT
[#28]
M1 carbine.
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Posted: 9/7/2001 2:28:32 PM EDT
[#29]
I'd probably wait and save a little more for a nice FAL before going the CETME route.
Either that or I'd pick up one of those unissued Persian Mausers from Samco. Very sweet. |
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Posted: 9/8/2001 2:12:54 PM EDT
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Well, I think I've decided on the SAR-1.
Here is why: I spent $800 on my postban Bushy. Now, I regret not saving for a preban AR. This is because the postbans will most likely remain at the same price level for some time. The prebans price only go one way, up. So, I can always buy a Kel TEC Mini-14, Vepr, or anything else. The SARs, now going for around $300, may be $500 in a year or two. Does this sound reasonable? thanks for all replies! |
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Posted: 9/8/2001 4:12:53 PM EDT
[#31]
If you want something different, try an SAR-2. Mags are cheap and plentiful, they have the optics-mounting bracket on the side, 5.45 is certainly different, and AIM has SAR-2's on sale for $240. At that price, you might even be able to squeeze the sub 2000 into your budget.
My SAR-2 looked pretty ugly when I bought it, but it turned out really nice with some teflon/moly, and a little effort. I just topped mine off with a Kobra red dot site, and the whole package looks pretty cool. |
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