If you only feed them new ball ammo, they both are supprisingly reliable, yes they call them junk, but these are the same people who spend $15,000 on a single shot shotgun, yes they are when you have money to burn, but if your like me, on a budget, they are lots of fun and with some hi-cap mags, they can be real fun, not to accurate, but thats what spray and pray are for, but what they hay, they are now both banned in their original config. so buy both, I did, and lots of hi-caps, try em, Ill bet youll like em, if not lemme know and I will be glad to take them off your hands if not satisfied, or at least smiling when the barrell's smoking